Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

@851 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468741) said:
@tigers79 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468518) said:
Madge will be retained and there will be a player clean out and hopefully with some more media pressure pascoe becomes the fall guy from the front office
Its the only way forward both on and off the field and including recruiting

How will that work, Madge can't attract players to the club, how do we improve, or fill the squad

Stef, AD, Maumalo and Laurie all arrived on Madge’s watch and have done their job.

We can’t get stars because the front office took a chainsaw to the salary cap when Ivan was bus driver.
 
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468749) said:
@851 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468741) said:
@tigers79 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468518) said:
Madge will be retained and there will be a player clean out and hopefully with some more media pressure pascoe becomes the fall guy from the front office
Its the only way forward both on and off the field and including recruiting

How will that work, Madge can't attract players to the club, how do we improve, or fill the squad

Stef, AD, Maumalo and Laurie all arrived on Madge’s watch and have done their job.

We can’t get stars because the front office took a chainsaw to the salary cap when Ivan was bus driver.

So that's 4. We're 26 short.
 
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468749) said:
@851 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468741) said:
@tigers79 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468518) said:
Madge will be retained and there will be a player clean out and hopefully with some more media pressure pascoe becomes the fall guy from the front office
Its the only way forward both on and off the field and including recruiting

How will that work, Madge can't attract players to the club, how do we improve, or fill the squad

Stef, AD, Maumalo and Laurie all arrived on Madge’s watch and have done their job.

We can’t get stars because the front office took a chainsaw to the salary cap when Ivan was bus driver.

But we have 1.6 million free for next year. What have we done with it?
 
@851 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468741) said:
@tigers79 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468518) said:
Madge will be retained and there will be a player clean out and hopefully with some more media pressure pascoe becomes the fall guy from the front office
Its the only way forward both on and off the field and including recruiting

How will that work, Madge can't attract players to the club, how do we improve, or fill the squad

Thats if you are blaming madge for the failiure to attract players
As Tyga posted , its the divide in playing group that is well known amongst other players that is hampering the recruitment. I feel Pascoe isnt helping

But to answer your questions , we improve and move fwd by filling the sqaud with young players and have a united squad under madge

Yep its going to result in us getting the sppon next year ( which I feel we get either way) , however I would rather see a bunch of young kids playing for this club then overpaid spoilt wanna be NRL players run around week in week out and then put there hand out for a pay check why under mining the whole organisation
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468750) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468749) said:
@851 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468741) said:
@tigers79 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468518) said:
Madge will be retained and there will be a player clean out and hopefully with some more media pressure pascoe becomes the fall guy from the front office
Its the only way forward both on and off the field and including recruiting

How will that work, Madge can't attract players to the club, how do we improve, or fill the squad

Stef, AD, Maumalo and Laurie all arrived on Madge’s watch and have done their job.

We can’t get stars because the front office took a chainsaw to the salary cap when Ivan was bus driver.

So that's 4. We're 26 short.

And well now have some room to fix the rot if we don’t keep repeating history
 
@tigers79 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468752) said:
@851 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468741) said:
@tigers79 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468518) said:
Madge will be retained and there will be a player clean out and hopefully with some more media pressure pascoe becomes the fall guy from the front office
Its the only way forward both on and off the field and including recruiting

How will that work, Madge can't attract players to the club, how do we improve, or fill the squad

Thats if you are blaming madge for the failiure to attract players
As Tyga posted , its the divide in playing group that is well known amongst other players that is hampering the recruitment. I feel Pascoe isnt helping

But to answer your questions , we improve and move fwd by filling the sqaud with young players and have a united squad under madge

Yep its going to result in us getting the sppon next year ( which I feel we get either way) , however I would rather see a bunch of young kids playing for this club then overpaid spoilt wanna be NRL players run around week in week out and then put there hand out for a pay check why under mining the whole organisation

There is no reason we will get the spoon if we get a new coach and the players are coached some structure, hell a new coach probably gets us some new players
 
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468753) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468750) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468749) said:
@851 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468741) said:
@tigers79 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468518) said:
Madge will be retained and there will be a player clean out and hopefully with some more media pressure pascoe becomes the fall guy from the front office
Its the only way forward both on and off the field and including recruiting

How will that work, Madge can't attract players to the club, how do we improve, or fill the squad

Stef, AD, Maumalo and Laurie all arrived on Madge’s watch and have done their job.

We can’t get stars because the front office took a chainsaw to the salary cap when Ivan was bus driver.

So that's 4. We're 26 short.

And well now have some room to fix the rot if we don’t keep repeating history

That's a specious argument - we had enough to offer Latrell over $1m last season and we've made large offers to JAC and TPJ this year (which were rejected). This whole fixing the rot and changing the culture is nonsense. The culture is worse now than when he got here.
 
@851 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468723) said:
@tiger5150 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468376) said:
@tyga said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468357) said:
I’m hearing theres a bigger issue at the Tigers which will spill out. The group is split. It has been reported before but there’s a pro Madge camp, detractors and in between. I trust who told me this but again it may not be right and unfair on some players so take it with a grain of salt.

Pro Madge Luciano, Blore, Utoikamanu, Tamou, Laurie, Maumalo, Mikalele, Douihei, Simpkin, Simpkins. There are detractors in Brooks, Nofa, Mbye, Liddle.

The club has to make a decision to move players on, the coach or both. The issues are known and no one will sign at the Tigers. The other issue is the detractors have a word straight to the top causing distrust in the team and coaching staff.

I sense Sheens will remember this happening to him in a past life. I wouldn’t be so certain Madge is sacked.

Management are aware the team is not good enough even playing at full potential but unless they sort it out nothing will happen. If I was a betting man you may see a player clean out and it may or may not include the coach.

There is at least one name in the Pro Madge camp that is wrong.

i agree, the performance of some of those players suggest their actions don't align with their words

Most of the listed 'supporters' group played well, apart from Tamou who I think is willing but his body is cooked.

We collapsed at the end of the year when one our best players (Laurie) was replaced with one of our worst (Mbye), compounded by losing another of our best players (Doueihi) replaced by a rookie. I reckon if Laurie didn't go down we might have scraped into the 8 and none of this meltdown would be happening. Brooks was given another chance to step up but didn't.

All else aside, Mbye out and Hastings in a massive plus.
 
@851 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468754) said:
@tigers79 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468752) said:
@851 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468741) said:
@tigers79 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468518) said:
Madge will be retained and there will be a player clean out and hopefully with some more media pressure pascoe becomes the fall guy from the front office
Its the only way forward both on and off the field and including recruiting

How will that work, Madge can't attract players to the club, how do we improve, or fill the squad

Thats if you are blaming madge for the failiure to attract players
As Tyga posted , its the divide in playing group that is well known amongst other players that is hampering the recruitment. I feel Pascoe isnt helping

But to answer your questions , we improve and move fwd by filling the sqaud with young players and have a united squad under madge

Yep its going to result in us getting the sppon next year ( which I feel we get either way) , however I would rather see a bunch of young kids playing for this club then overpaid spoilt wanna be NRL players run around week in week out and then put there hand out for a pay check why under mining the whole organisation

There is no reason we will get the spoon if we get a new coach and the players are coached some structure, hell a new coach probably gets us some new players

Madge has won premierships, players couldn’t score a try against Canterbury. Know who I trust.
 
@gnr4life said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468751) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468749) said:
@851 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468741) said:
@tigers79 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468518) said:
Madge will be retained and there will be a player clean out and hopefully with some more media pressure pascoe becomes the fall guy from the front office
Its the only way forward both on and off the field and including recruiting

How will that work, Madge can't attract players to the club, how do we improve, or fill the squad

Stef, AD, Maumalo and Laurie all arrived on Madge’s watch and have done their job.

We can’t get stars because the front office took a chainsaw to the salary cap when Ivan was bus driver.

But we have 1.6 million free for next year. What have we done with it?

It's early September! Every single year we make most of our signings over the offseason.
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468755) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468753) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468750) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468749) said:
@851 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468741) said:
@tigers79 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468518) said:
Madge will be retained and there will be a player clean out and hopefully with some more media pressure pascoe becomes the fall guy from the front office
Its the only way forward both on and off the field and including recruiting

How will that work, Madge can't attract players to the club, how do we improve, or fill the squad

Stef, AD, Maumalo and Laurie all arrived on Madge’s watch and have done their job.

We can’t get stars because the front office took a chainsaw to the salary cap when Ivan was bus driver.

So that's 4. We're 26 short.

And well now have some room to fix the rot if we don’t keep repeating history

That's a specious argument - we had enough to offer Latrell over $1m last season and we've made large offers to JAC and TPJ this year (which were rejected). This whole fixing the rot and changing the culture is nonsense. The culture is worse now than when he got here.

All created by decisions that predate Madge
 
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468760) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468755) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468753) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468750) said:
@bagnf05 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468749) said:
@851 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468741) said:
@tigers79 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468518) said:
Madge will be retained and there will be a player clean out and hopefully with some more media pressure pascoe becomes the fall guy from the front office
Its the only way forward both on and off the field and including recruiting

How will that work, Madge can't attract players to the club, how do we improve, or fill the squad

Stef, AD, Maumalo and Laurie all arrived on Madge’s watch and have done their job.

We can’t get stars because the front office took a chainsaw to the salary cap when Ivan was bus driver.

So that's 4. We're 26 short.

And well now have some room to fix the rot if we don’t keep repeating history

That's a specious argument - we had enough to offer Latrell over $1m last season and we've made large offers to JAC and TPJ this year (which were rejected). This whole fixing the rot and changing the culture is nonsense. The culture is worse now than when he got here.

All created by decisions that predate Madge

The culture getting worse is on him.
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468755) said:
we had enough to offer Latrell over $1m last season

We would have had enough to offer 3 Latrells $3m without the cap constraints.

And due to how constrained we were, if we did land Latrell the rest of the squad would have been filled with minimum wagers - definitely no Doueihi, no Lucy, no Laurie, no Ken Maumolo. Latrell can be a bludger at times - and any game he didn't turn up we would have been flogged.
 
@tilllindemann said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468763) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468755) said:
we had enough to offer Latrell over $1m last season

We would have had enough to offer 3 Latrells $3m without the cap constraints.

And due to how constrained we were, if we did land Latrell the rest of the squad would have been filled with minimum wagers - definitely no Doueihi, no Lucy, no Laurie, no Ken Maumolo. Latrell can be a bludger at times - and any game he didn't turn up we would have been flogged.

We could have $10m and it wouldn't make a difference. Players don't want to play for Maguire. I wouldn't want to.
 
It's just not up to the coach to drive the culture, it's the leaders in the club, from Executive all the way through. It has been mentioned by a few Ex players that a clean out is required, but that also takes time, get rid of the toxic players.
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468764) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468763) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468755) said:
we had enough to offer Latrell over $1m last season

We would have had enough to offer 3 Latrells $3m without the cap constraints.

And due to how constrained we were, if we did land Latrell the rest of the squad would have been filled with minimum wagers - definitely no Doueihi, no Lucy, no Laurie, no Ken Maumolo. Latrell can be a bludger at times - and any game he didn't turn up we would have been flogged.

We could have $10m and it wouldn't make a difference. Players don't want to play for Maguire. I wouldn't want to.

It's just a myth that people take as true because it is repeated so much on here. The vast majority of players who have played with him, here or elsewhere, say it is rubbish. Our recruiting is at least as good under Madge as his predecessors, and I would argue better.
 
@tilllindemann said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468769) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468764) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468763) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468755) said:
we had enough to offer Latrell over $1m last season

We would have had enough to offer 3 Latrells $3m without the cap constraints.

And due to how constrained we were, if we did land Latrell the rest of the squad would have been filled with minimum wagers - definitely no Doueihi, no Lucy, no Laurie, no Ken Maumolo. Latrell can be a bludger at times - and any game he didn't turn up we would have been flogged.

We could have $10m and it wouldn't make a difference. Players don't want to play for Maguire. I wouldn't want to.

It's just a myth that people take as true because it is repeated so much on here. The vast majority of players who have played with him, here or elsewhere, say it is rubbish. Our recruiting is at least as good under Madge as his predecessors, and I would argue better.

What recruitment? We haven't signed 1 NRL player for next year. And it's not a myth that players don't want to come here. My proof: No-one is coming here.
 
@tilllindemann said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468769) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468764) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468763) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468755) said:
we had enough to offer Latrell over $1m last season

We would have had enough to offer 3 Latrells $3m without the cap constraints.

And due to how constrained we were, if we did land Latrell the rest of the squad would have been filled with minimum wagers - definitely no Doueihi, no Lucy, no Laurie, no Ken Maumolo. Latrell can be a bludger at times - and any game he didn't turn up we would have been flogged.

We could have $10m and it wouldn't make a difference. Players don't want to play for Maguire. I wouldn't want to.

It's just a myth that people take as true because it is repeated so much on here. The vast majority of players who have played with him, here or elsewhere, say it is rubbish. Our recruiting is at least as good under Madge as his predecessors, and I would argue better.

Well it’s clearly not a myth just on here because it’s now being paraded in the media. Wether or not that story about Addo carr is true, there’s people who will think it is .

Would love to hear your argument on madges good recruitments…
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468771) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468769) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468764) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468763) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468755) said:
we had enough to offer Latrell over $1m last season

We would have had enough to offer 3 Latrells $3m without the cap constraints.

And due to how constrained we were, if we did land Latrell the rest of the squad would have been filled with minimum wagers - definitely no Doueihi, no Lucy, no Laurie, no Ken Maumolo. Latrell can be a bludger at times - and any game he didn't turn up we would have been flogged.

We could have $10m and it wouldn't make a difference. Players don't want to play for Maguire. I wouldn't want to.

It's just a myth that people take as true because it is repeated so much on here. The vast majority of players who have played with him, here or elsewhere, say it is rubbish. Our recruiting is at least as good under Madge as his predecessors, and I would argue better.

What recruitment? We haven't signed 1 NRL player for next year. And it's not a myth that players don't want to come here. My proof: No-one is coming here.

We always make most of our signings in the offseason, every single year.

People are just getting all hysterical because we didn't turn up against the Dogs in a meaningless game with our best players missing.
 
@tilllindemann said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468774) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468771) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468769) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468764) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468763) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1468755) said:
we had enough to offer Latrell over $1m last season

We would have had enough to offer 3 Latrells $3m without the cap constraints.

And due to how constrained we were, if we did land Latrell the rest of the squad would have been filled with minimum wagers - definitely no Doueihi, no Lucy, no Laurie, no Ken Maumolo. Latrell can be a bludger at times - and any game he didn't turn up we would have been flogged.

We could have $10m and it wouldn't make a difference. Players don't want to play for Maguire. I wouldn't want to.

It's just a myth that people take as true because it is repeated so much on here. The vast majority of players who have played with him, here or elsewhere, say it is rubbish. Our recruiting is at least as good under Madge as his predecessors, and I would argue better.

What recruitment? We haven't signed 1 NRL player for next year. And it's not a myth that players don't want to come here. My proof: No-one is coming here.

We always make most of our signings in the offseason, every single year.

People are just getting all hysterical because we didn't turn up against the Dogs in a meaningless game with our best players missing.

They beat us 38-0. We also conceded more points than them for the entire season. And that recruitment strategy is ridiculous, because you have no control over it. You are relying on teams shifting players, which might not happen. And even if it does, you're confident we'll sign some? Why? We haven't signed anyone else?
 
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