Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

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[frullens]

Sheens set for increased role as Maguire retains job
Author - Brad Walter & Dan Walsh
Timestamp - Tue 21 Sep 2021, 06:13 PM
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However, the main change next season will be the involvement of Sheens, who coached Maguire at the Raiders and **has a relationship with Tigers great Robbie Farah – a member of the club’s staff – from his time in charge of the Kangaroos.**

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But weird they cite sheens relationship with frah is from his time as Kangaroos coach rather than his the 6 or 7 years coaching at the tigers 😂

 

[jadtiger]

It's the right decision.

Madge was a good selection when he started and he's had a horrible set of circumstances over the last three years. The results have been disapppointing but the disciplined approach to recruitment has meant we're in a good financial position for the first time in ages.

Madge therefore deserves to coach us next year. You recruit a coach to build something and you can point to the disappointing players being let go and the new young players coming in as evidence of progress at the club. The main thing is he is putting the club in a better position than what it was. And that can't be said for Potter (who wasn't really given a chance), Taylor (who stuffed his) and Cleary (who did more damage to our club than any other coach we've ever had).

Most importantly, it is important for our club's reputation that Madge be given next year. Tearing him down after re-signing him fits the media narrative and would really damage our ability to recruit a quality coach next time.

My one hesitation is that the club hasn't really backed Madge in a way that shows confidence in him. It looks like he's only just holding on, and that undermines both our ability to recruit and the message to the current players. Handicapping him in this way makes his job harder and lets players off the hook.

This isn't an excuse for Madge next year, whatever the circumstances we need to improve next year, but it wasn't well handled by the club and I think there needs to be work going into how to make the decision making process less public and how to develop better media strategies that mean we're not able to so easily be portrayed as a shambles.

Obviously, winning changes everything. I'm glad, whatever happens, that the club gave Madge the opportunity next year.

Agreed.

Not only that, people say it's Madge's team and they point to Tamou, Roberts and Leilua vs Cleary's Packer, Mybe and Reynolds. They conveniently leave out Laurie, Stefano and Blore.

On that point, Madge signed those guys for a total of $1 million a season ($550k of which is Leilua) and on very short contracts. He didn't trash our cap! Cleary's duds cost us 2.5 million and put us on the back foot for 4 years - we are LUCKY Matulino was medically retired or it would have been worse.

Every coach knows there is a risk players don't perform and these guys didn't, but they are on virtually nothing, so if you have someone better, who cares? Put them in reserves...the issue is he doesn't have anyone better, so he's playing the cards that have been dealt.

The reality is, with a side lacking depth, experience and talent, even the Roosters got towelled up this season.

We are seriously lacking players and I don't think Maguire is 100% responsible for that.

Matulino was the cheapest of the 4 signings and was pretty much busted when he arrived but gave his everything on the field.He also retired when he knew he just could not play anymore,he will always have my respect as a supporter of WT.He does not deserve to be called a Cleary "dud" unlike the other 3.I certainly agree with the rest of your post

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

So who do we reckon we are going to get with this $1.5 mil we have sitting around, what outstanding recruits are out there? More importantly will it be Madges choices or will it be Hartigan and Sheens. I don’t see anyone that’s going to make a difference busting down the doors, one can only hope we just don’t repeat the same dumb knee jerk signings we always do.

 

[JC99]

Evolve or die Madge, good luck next year!

 

[frullens]

Madge hasn't taken a team to finals since 2015. In 2017 he took the Rabbitohs to 12th place, the year after Anthony Seibold took over who's a terrible coach and got essentially the same roster to finish third.

Hopefully he breaks his streak next season.

Needs to reinvent himself

What do you suggest?

The tough guy act didn't work as the players all sulked and brought out their egg shells nonsense.

The nice guy act didn't work either, seemed forced and fake, as seen on the doco.

Needs to just smarten up, bring in some big gun assistants and start shopping around the problem players that think they own the club. Until then, he's on the same track as the last 3 years.

The biggest thing he needs is a string leadership group to drive madges standards and do the talking for madge.

Finucane would if been great.
But from what's available now, I'd make sims a priority.

Give farah a greater role in coaching.

And bring in a young assistant. Gardiner? Hodge? Burgess?

 

[Telltails]

Madge hasn't taken a team to finals since 2015. In 2017 he took the Rabbitohs to 12th place, the year after Anthony Seibold took over who's a terrible coach and got essentially the same roster to finish third.

Hopefully he breaks his streak next season.

Needs to reinvent himself

What do you suggest?

The tough guy act didn't work as the players all sulked and brought out their egg shells nonsense.

The nice guy act didn't work either, seemed forced and fake, as seen on the doco.

Needs to just smarten up, bring in some big gun assistants and start shopping around the problem players that think they own the club. Until then, he's on the same track as the last 3 years.

The biggest thing he needs is a string leadership group to drive madges standards and do the talking for madge.

Finucane would if been great.
But from what's available now, I'd make sims a priority.

Give farah a greater role in coaching.

And bring in a young assistant. Gardiner? Hodge? Burgess?

Anyone been watching Sam Burgess on SAS? Natural born leader- you can see why he was a gun player.
Should send Brooks off to do that programme over the off season.

 

[swooping magpie]

My wife and I each have a premium membership and will keep them. We support the Wests Tigers and would never put any coach, player or other individual above the club (even Robbie!). We have stuck solid through thick and thin and believe that's what members and fans do.

I'm not looking for any pats on the back for this but we will always support whoever the club appoints. so the outcome of the review has had no impact on our support. I'm glad to see Madge continue with the passion and belief that he wears on his sleeve.

Here's to better times ahead!


Enjoy your wooden spoon next season to eat your soup with, because that’s where we are heading!

Not worth a proper response.

 

[happy_tiger]

I will now support him as I want what's best for the team but I am disappointed.

I can’t share the same view. After almost 40 years I’m done with the club.

Come be an AC Milan fan with me?

@happy_tiger @hobbo1

You know what you can do with that AC Milan crap lol

Come and blow bubbles with Happy and @hobbo1

 

[Needaname]

Sheens set for increased role as Maguire retains job
Author - Brad Walter & Dan Walsh
Timestamp - Tue 21 Sep 2021, 06:13 PM
........

However, the main change next season will be the involvement of Sheens, who coached Maguire at the Raiders and **has a relationship with Tigers great Robbie Farah – a member of the club’s staff – from his time in charge of the Kangaroos.**

>

But weird they cite sheens relationship with frah is from his time as Kangaroos coach rather than his the 6 or 7 years coaching at the tigers ?

I found that funny also. Maybe he ran the water for the Kangaroos side when he wasn’t play in the 17?

 

[BAGNF05]

So who do we reckon we are going to get with this $1.5 mil we have sitting around, what outstanding recruits are out there? More importantly will it be Madges choices or will it be Hartigan and Sheens. I don’t see anyone that’s going to make a difference busting down the doors, one can only hope we just don’t repeat the same dumb knee jerk signings we always do.

Tariq Sims would be a good start, then look around at quality centres who might think they’re worth more dough than they’re on. Contracts aren’t all that watertight as we know.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

Sound like the Board ebbed and flowed before finally making a decision

I just think the media ebbed and flowed because they couldn't connect the dots and much of what was reported was a fantasy.
I just watched NRL360 and the line that said it all for me was when Paul Kent said.

"Look, I don't know what's going on there"

The club didn't backflip, the only people to backflip were some in the media when the facts didn't match their frame.

Amusing to see the media get done like that.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Matulino was not a dud signing

That bloke gave it his all on the field

Legend

 

[88]

It's the right decision.

Madge was a good selection when he started and he's had a horrible set of circumstances over the last three years. The results have been disapppointing but the disciplined approach to recruitment has meant we're in a good financial position for the first time in ages.

Madge therefore deserves to coach us next year. You recruit a coach to build something and you can point to the disappointing players being let go and the new young players coming in as evidence of progress at the club. The main thing is he is putting the club in a better position than what it was. And that can't be said for Potter (who wasn't really given a chance), Taylor (who stuffed his) and Cleary (who did more damage to our club than any other coach we've ever had).

Most importantly, it is important for our club's reputation that Madge be given next year. Tearing him down after re-signing him fits the media narrative and would really damage our ability to recruit a quality coach next time.

My one hesitation is that the club hasn't really backed Madge in a way that shows confidence in him. It looks like he's only just holding on, and that undermines both our ability to recruit and the message to the current players. Handicapping him in this way makes his job harder and lets players off the hook.

This isn't an excuse for Madge next year, whatever the circumstances we need to improve next year, but it wasn't well handled by the club and I think there needs to be work going into how to make the decision making process less public and how to develop better media strategies that mean we're not able to so easily be portrayed as a shambles.

Obviously, winning changes everything. I'm glad, whatever happens, that the club gave Madge the opportunity next year.


Agree but the only way he will be successful is if the club (not him) surround him with capable assistants . I recall with Tim the role that Royce played internally..he was the messenger and the glue and let Tim focus on higher level important jobs. As suggested in other threads, maybe Pay could deliver same message and we know he is a very passionate leader and has a strong focus on defense .. not de fence

Also agree. Maybe after exploring potential replacements they found there was no better option who also wanted to come and coach. In that position backing the coach is the only option. The positives I see from the review are:

- self reflection of Madge to acknowledge his limitations and be open to change around him.

- a focus on improving the assistant coach ranks (100% needed to bring in better systems and new ideas, plus also better engage with playing group). think assistant coaches are often the keys to selling the coach’s vision and I think in most successful clubs there is strong player engagement with the assistants.

- acknowledgement and commitment to weed out the moles and leakers of information in the front office (probably needs to extend to any white-anting players, as well).

If they can get Tim Sheen’s role right that can only help. If he can take key football stuff off the board with recruitment, selling the club to agents and players, pathways, possibly be the face of the club to the media, it will start to add some cred to the brand. Board and CEO need to take a back seat on football decisions and let Sheens own that space.

We need small, sustainable, consistent steps forward as the constant negative media attention is half the problem. Get them focusing on some other club’s woes and you start to break down the “not a destination club” articles that keep coming and you can quietly go about your rebuild and development.

 

[happy_tiger]

So is Madge staying or going

So everyone stays ......or is @Geo going

 

[BAGNF05]

Matulino was not a dud signing

That bloke gave it his all on the field

Legend

What was it 22 wonderful games for about $2mil?

Edit: 36 games or 1.5 seasons.. at least he had the integrity to call it quits

 

[WT2019]

It's the right decision.

Madge was a good selection when he started and he's had a horrible set of circumstances over the last three years. The results have been disapppointing but the disciplined approach to recruitment has meant we're in a good financial position for the first time in ages.

Madge therefore deserves to coach us next year. You recruit a coach to build something and you can point to the disappointing players being let go and the new young players coming in as evidence of progress at the club. The main thing is he is putting the club in a better position than what it was. And that can't be said for Potter (who wasn't really given a chance), Taylor (who stuffed his) and Cleary (who did more damage to our club than any other coach we've ever had).

Most importantly, it is important for our club's reputation that Madge be given next year. Tearing him down after re-signing him fits the media narrative and would really damage our ability to recruit a quality coach next time.

My one hesitation is that the club hasn't really backed Madge in a way that shows confidence in him. It looks like he's only just holding on, and that undermines both our ability to recruit and the message to the current players. Handicapping him in this way makes his job harder and lets players off the hook.

This isn't an excuse for Madge next year, whatever the circumstances we need to improve next year, but it wasn't well handled by the club and I think there needs to be work going into how to make the decision making process less public and how to develop better media strategies that mean we're not able to so easily be portrayed as a shambles.

Obviously, winning changes everything. I'm glad, whatever happens, that the club gave Madge the opportunity next year.


Agree but the only way he will be successful is if the club (not him) surround him with capable assistants . I recall with Tim the role that Royce played internally..he was the messenger and the glue and let Tim focus on higher level important jobs. As suggested in other threads, maybe Pay could deliver same message and we know he is a very passionate leader and has a strong focus on defense .. not de fence

Also agree. Maybe after exploring potential replacements they found there was no better option who also wanted to come and coach. In that position backing the coach is the only option. The positives I see from the review are:

- self reflection of Madge to acknowledge his limitations and be open to change around him.

- a focus on improving the assistant coach ranks (100% needed to bring in better systems and new ideas, plus also better engage with playing group). think assistant coaches are often the keys to selling the coach’s vision and I think in most successful clubs there is strong player engagement with the assistants.

- acknowledgement and commitment to weed out the moles and leakers of information in the front office (probably needs to extend to any white-anting players, as well).

If they can get Tim Sheen’s role right that can only help. If he can take key football stuff off the board with recruitment, selling the club to agents and players, pathways, possibly be the face of the club to the media, it will start to add some cred to the brand. Board and CEO need to take a back seat on football decisions and let Sheens own that space.

We need small, sustainable, consistent steps forward as the constant negative media attention is half the problem. Get them focusing on some other club’s woes and you start to break down the “not a destination club” articles that keep coming and you can quietly go about your rebuild and development.

Well said . Could not agree more 88 especially on the small and consistent steps forward. The race wont be won in a single step as much as we all want . The first step in 2022 is to figure out how to improve on position13 and move forward. Position 8 should be 2023 and non negotiable

 

[88]

Madge hasn't taken a team to finals since 2015. In 2017 he took the Rabbitohs to 12th place, the year after Anthony Seibold took over who's a terrible coach and got essentially the same roster to finish third.

Hopefully he breaks his streak next season.

Needs to reinvent himself

What do you suggest?

The tough guy act didn't work as the players all sulked and brought out their egg shells nonsense.

The nice guy act didn't work either, seemed forced and fake, as seen on the doco.

Needs to just smarten up, bring in some big gun assistants and start shopping around the problem players that think they own the club. Until then, he's on the same track as the last 3 years.

The biggest thing he needs is a string leadership group to drive madges standards and do the talking for madge.

Finucane would if been great.
But from what's available now, I'd make sims a priority.

Give farah a greater role in coaching.

And bring in a young assistant. Gardiner? Hodge? Burgess?

Anyone been watching Sam Burgess on SAS? Natural born leader- you can see why he was a gun player.
Should send Brooks off to do that programme over the off season.

If there are limited options on available players with leadership on the market then not a bad option to target some gun recent ex players with high level leadership and passion to add to the coaching staff somewhere to mentor the young guys with standards, passion, resilience.

Maybe even some left field options with people from other successful code teams to add some guidance, eg an Alastair Clarkson type.

From that article that was posted earlier regarding Garry Jack’s comments, they could certainly better engage with some of the old boys to get around the group. Jumper presentations, mentoring, come to training, helping to convey the history and beat parts of successful cultures of previous teams. Reinforce the identity of the club.

 

[tigerap]

So who do we reckon we are going to get with this $1.5 mil we have sitting around, what outstanding recruits are out there? More importantly will it be Madges choices or will it be Hartigan and Sheens. I don’t see anyone that’s going to make a difference busting down the doors, one can only hope we just don’t repeat the same dumb knee jerk signings we always do.

Taraq Sims, Adam Elliot and Curtis Scott…we should be able to snag all 3 for cut price short term deals….keep JTJ

 

[frullens]

Madge hasn't taken a team to finals since 2015. In 2017 he took the Rabbitohs to 12th place, the year after Anthony Seibold took over who's a terrible coach and got essentially the same roster to finish third.

Hopefully he breaks his streak next season.

Needs to reinvent himself

What do you suggest?

The tough guy act didn't work as the players all sulked and brought out their egg shells nonsense.

The nice guy act didn't work either, seemed forced and fake, as seen on the doco.

Needs to just smarten up, bring in some big gun assistants and start shopping around the problem players that think they own the club. Until then, he's on the same track as the last 3 years.

The biggest thing he needs is a string leadership group to drive madges standards and do the talking for madge.

Finucane would if been great.
But from what's available now, I'd make sims a priority.

Give farah a greater role in coaching.

And bring in a young assistant. Gardiner? Hodge? Burgess?

Anyone been watching Sam Burgess on SAS? Natural born leader- you can see why he was a gun player.
Should send Brooks off to do that programme over the off season.

If there are limited options on available players with leadership on the market then not a bad option to target some gun recent ex players with high level leadership and passion to add to the coaching staff somewhere to mentor the young guys with standards, passion, resilience.

Maybe even some left field options with people from other successful code teams to add some guidance, eg an Alastair Clarkson type.

From that article that was posted earlier regarding Garry Jack’s comments, they could certainly better engage with some of the old boys to get around the group. Jumper presentations, mentoring, come to training, helping to convey the history and beat parts of successful cultures of previous teams. Reinforce the identity of the club.

Yeah when slater retired he got a coaching job at St.kilda. he wasn't doing skills, mainly about leadership

Burgess would be perfect.- madge history
Farah is perfect - wt history
James Graham is also one I'd go for - ultimate competitor
And maybe even dean halatau