Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[jirskyr]

Sheens set for increased role as Maguire retains job
Author - Brad Walter & Dan Walsh
Timestamp - Tue 21 Sep 2021, 06:13 PM

And see how this one is just reporting - no pundit opinions, no hysterics, no outrage. "Tigers didn't change the coach and this is what they say their new plan is."

 

[TigerNeddyK]

Robbo congratulated Madge, calling him a fine coach on NRL360. Respected figure in the game. Now let him whip this roster into shape.

Of course all the other coaches want our team to be coached by someone that is not up to the task! Gus, and Gallen and Robbo are not concerned with what is in the best interests of the tigers, they are are competitors and as such their opinion on who should coach us should not be so highly valued and prized!

 

[tony soprano]

Lee just said board don't even get paid for their position.

Unless you count the canapés on game days

U penny pincher

 

[StarswithStripes]

Not sure how I feel. It took me a while to turn against Madge but I did because he didn’t seem to be getting through to the team to get the results he said we were building towards. It felt like he’d lost the group and I couldn’t see how he would turn it around. That’s history now so I’m going to get behind Madge for next year. He must have impressed in his pitch and shifted from the narrative we heard all year in his pressers because it sounds like he turned the Board around. Reports also said he acknowledged his own shortcomings. I’ll give it to Madge though. He stared coaching death in the face and came out on top. He still believes in the group and still wants the job. It’s up to him now to take this self reflection away and do something differently next year. I just hope the club has also looked itself in the mirror and acknowledged their shortcomings too. A few quality signings in the pre season and I’m back feeling a little more positive for next year. Onwards and upwards!

 

[WT2K]

In the statement released on Tuesday Pascoe said: “We are firmly committed to building a high performing club. With our strong financial position, increased investment and recent success of our pathways teams, the new centre of excellence and continued work on a South West academy, the arrival of Tim Sheens and his experience in NRL systems, this club is posed to reap the rewards of several years of hard work.”
Firstly, we think he means “poised” to reap – not posed (SIC).

Clear enough then that the official Tigers word goes through the SMH and no official comments are provided to Pooper and Fox, because he's quoting off the official statement that everyone received.

Where does Pooper get off calling out someone else's typos? I imagine Pascoe doesn't have an editor to catch all his mistakes like Pooper does. What a scumbag dope.

I'm still trying to work out who Phil Kent is from Poopers article yesterday..

You or someone should twitter him all his typos. I don't do twitter.

He's been off twitter since his drunken episode that found him before the courts in 2018

 

[jadtiger]

On the phone shortly to cancel 12 premium membership .. the club is a failure and run by self serving individuals good luck with all of that ..3 seasons of failure how much FAILURE does it take !

I think you mean 10 years of failure not 3

 

[yeahcaz]

I hope Collins is just the first Domino to fall. Surely he isn’t the only one to leave

 

[innsaneink]

I’ve just read the SMH report and what struck me as weird was the concern from the board that there needed to be greater connection between the club and the football department.

From the chairs and CEO’s previous communication, it seems the separation between the football department and club was intentional given Pascoe and the board has no football intelligence. I remember at the start of this review the chair laying the blame on the football department and going to painstaking lengths to praise the financial performance of the front office. It’s hypocritical bs that the board have laid the blame at Madge’s feet for the org structure and delineation of duties and responsibilities and that’s coming from someone who wanted Madge gone.

This is just one example of mixed messaging and diabolical communication from the club. I remember when Taylor got sacked, the club refused to acknowledge he was the wrong choice (clearly he was), the Pangai Jnr situation was embarrassing and unprofessional and yesterday’s cancelled board meeting was just a train wreck from start to finish. Communication may seem like a minor detail but poor communication creates uncertainty and an unstable working environment. It makes us seem outwardly unprofessional and chaotic, and degrades our integrity. Also it points to deeper issues of a lack of strategic direction both on and off the field.

Sorry for the long-winded rant guys I’ve just never been more disappointed and ashamed of the club.

It has been written by Michael Chammas, the same guy who has been running an agenda against Madge for months and lying for a week.

Doesn’t change the inconsistent stances and messages coming out of the club.

What inconsistent stances or messages have come out of the club since the end of the season?

Sheens' role

 

[TigerJunior4]

I’ve just read the SMH report and what struck me as weird was the concern from the board that there needed to be greater connection between the club and the football department.

From the chairs and CEO’s previous communication, it seems the separation between the football department and club was intentional given Pascoe and the board has no football intelligence. I remember at the start of this review the chair laying the blame on the football department and going to painstaking lengths to praise the financial performance of the front office. It’s hypocritical bs that the board have laid the blame at Madge’s feet for the org structure and delineation of duties and responsibilities and that’s coming from someone who wanted Madge gone.

This is just one example of mixed messaging and diabolical communication from the club. I remember when Taylor got sacked, the club refused to acknowledge he was the wrong choice (clearly he was), the Pangai Jnr situation was embarrassing and unprofessional and yesterday’s cancelled board meeting was just a train wreck from start to finish. Communication may seem like a minor detail but poor communication creates uncertainty and an unstable working environment. It makes us seem outwardly unprofessional and chaotic, and degrades our integrity. Also it points to deeper issues of a lack of strategic direction both on and off the field.

Sorry for the long-winded rant guys I’ve just never been more disappointed and ashamed of the club.

Why was the cancelled board meeting embarrassing?

I find it embarrassing because it was a knee-jerk reaction to media reports and another back-flip by the club. It makes the board look spineless and indecisive because they can’t make a decision and allow that decision to be scrutinised. No matter what field you’re in any decision will likely be criticised but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be decisive. It just means that you should have the rationale and evidence to augment any decisions/stance. This seems lost on the board.

Madge presented to the Football committee yesterday and the board decided to think on it over night, it doesn't mean there was a backflip.

I felt the board lost their nerve after criticism from the media. I get the board needed to consider Madge’s response but I can’t see how Madge’s response would have differed that greatly to the commentary/feedback he gave during the review process.

Based on?

Doesnt Occams Razor and the known facts all point towards the board/club actually doing things properly?

Doing things right like missing the finals the past ten years? Can you point to anything the board is actually doing right?

Ive made it clear a few times, we are talking about the role of management since the end of the season. Can yo upoint to something they have done wrong?

Well they didn’t conduct an independent review for starters. The CEO isn’t a subject matter expert in football operations so it would make sense to procure someone with that knowledge and understanding to conduct the review into the football department to identify any areas of weakness or develop solutions to enable improvement. The scope of any review should have also included Hartigan and Pascoe particularly given concerns about recruitment.

I think the board should at least look at a restructure given the lack of football understanding. I think it’s important to have a mixture of skill sets on the board and diverse representatives to avoid group think. For obvious reasons it’s important to have a solicitor, accountant etc but it’s also important to have some subject matter experts eg people with footy nous and experience. This doesn’t have to be the prevalent skillset but maybe two or so reps with footy nous. I’d also look at having an uneven number of board members but that’s mostly personal preference to avoid hung votes.

There’s also the mixed messages from the chair. He gave an interview saying Madge was fine, turned around a week later and refused to confirm if Madge was safe. It creates confusion and an unstable environment that allows innuendo and rumours to swirl. But that’s just my take on it.

So can you point to any positive steps or actions the board has taken since the end of season?

 

[Needaname]

My wife and I each have a premium membership and will keep them. We support the Wests Tigers and would never put any coach, player or other individual above the club (even Robbie!). We have stuck solid through thick and thin and believe that's what members and fans do.

I'm not looking for any pats on the back for this but we will always support whoever the club appoints. so the outcome of the review has had no impact on our support. I'm glad to see Madge continue with the passion and belief that he wears on his sleeve.

Here's to better times ahead!


Enjoy your wooden spoon next season to eat your soup with, because that’s where we are heading!

He didn't deserve that response.


Obviously not directed especially at him but the general Madge lovers with their massive blinkers on! Can’t stand the ignorance of some people!

Do they really even watch the games, as I said previously I have supported the club through numerous wooden spoons and this is the worst we have looked by a mile!

38-0 to the wooden spooners!

We were minus 10 Ist graders for one reason or another. This fact has been conveniently omitted by those with an agendas. I like you was of the opinion the players were not responding to Madge but as previously stated, that might be improved by a couple of decent assistants. There is one thing I will give Madge is that he definitely tries to give it his all. Unfortunately that might not be good enough, however I sincerely hope it is.

10 first graders????? tell that to Trent Robinson! Joke club, Joke team, Joke coach!

You swap Nofa with Tedesco and Joffa with Hargreaves and Lucy with Critchton and tell me we get the same result.

In case you have forgotten Maguire brought Lucy and Joffa to the club and re- signed Nofa

I haven’t forgotten that.
It wasn’t meant to be a dig at the players. I purposely didn’t replace Blore with Chrichton.

It was more an indication of the level of influence of our senior players.

Roosters had all year with Tedesco; Origin Captain, Hargreaves; NZ leader, Liu; NZ rep and real leader at the roosters. All three have been in the comp since 2012.

We had all year with Brooks, Nofa, Twal and Joffa as our leaders. With only Joffa with tier 1 rep experience.

 

[Tiger5150]

I’ve just read the SMH report and what struck me as weird was the concern from the board that there needed to be greater connection between the club and the football department.

From the chairs and CEO’s previous communication, it seems the separation between the football department and club was intentional given Pascoe and the board has no football intelligence. I remember at the start of this review the chair laying the blame on the football department and going to painstaking lengths to praise the financial performance of the front office. It’s hypocritical bs that the board have laid the blame at Madge’s feet for the org structure and delineation of duties and responsibilities and that’s coming from someone who wanted Madge gone.

This is just one example of mixed messaging and diabolical communication from the club. I remember when Taylor got sacked, the club refused to acknowledge he was the wrong choice (clearly he was), the Pangai Jnr situation was embarrassing and unprofessional and yesterday’s cancelled board meeting was just a train wreck from start to finish. Communication may seem like a minor detail but poor communication creates uncertainty and an unstable working environment. It makes us seem outwardly unprofessional and chaotic, and degrades our integrity. Also it points to deeper issues of a lack of strategic direction both on and off the field.

Sorry for the long-winded rant guys I’ve just never been more disappointed and ashamed of the club.

Why was the cancelled board meeting embarrassing?

I find it embarrassing because it was a knee-jerk reaction to media reports and another back-flip by the club. It makes the board look spineless and indecisive because they can’t make a decision and allow that decision to be scrutinised. No matter what field you’re in any decision will likely be criticised but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be decisive. It just means that you should have the rationale and evidence to augment any decisions/stance. This seems lost on the board.

Madge presented to the Football committee yesterday and the board decided to think on it over night, it doesn't mean there was a backflip.

I felt the board lost their nerve after criticism from the media. I get the board needed to consider Madge’s response but I can’t see how Madge’s response would have differed that greatly to the commentary/feedback he gave during the review process.

Based on?

Doesnt Occams Razor and the known facts all point towards the board/club actually doing things properly?

Doing things right like missing the finals the past ten years? Can you point to anything the board is actually doing right?

Ive made it clear a few times, we are talking about the role of management since the end of the season. Can yo upoint to something they have done wrong?

Well they didn’t conduct an independent review for starters. The CEO isn’t a subject matter expert in football operations so it would make sense to procure someone with that knowledge and understanding to conduct the review into the football department to identify any areas of weakness or develop solutions to enable improvement. The scope of any review should have also included Hartigan and Pascoe particularly given concerns about recruitment.

I think the board should at least look at a restructure given the lack of football understanding. I think it’s important to have a mixture of skill sets on the board and diverse representatives to avoid group think. For obvious reasons it’s important to have a solicitor, accountant etc but it’s also important to have some subject matter experts eg people with footy nous and experience. This doesn’t have to be the prevalent skillset but maybe two or so reps with footy nous. I’d also look at having an uneven number of board members but that’s mostly personal preference to avoid hung votes.

There’s also the mixed messages from the chair. He gave an interview saying Madge was fine, turned around a week later and refused to confirm if Madge was safe. It creates confusion and an unstable environment that allows innuendo and rumours to swirl. But that’s just my take on it.

So can you point to any positive steps or actions the board has taken since the end of season?

They undertook a review of the Football department (which are answerable to the board), didnt take the easy option of sacking the coach and did the whole thing in house and quickly, they are restructuring the football department and apparently taking steps to remove a rat on the board.

All good things.

 

[Needaname]

I also enjoyed reading the NRL economists article back then and have heard him say similar regarding the benefit of plenty of growth in a squad compared to plenty of experience.


I'm sorry Ramy Haidar is a Class-A dope. His articles are trash, his arguments are superficial and I've heard him on podcasts and it's banal.

Fine. I read with interest some of his articles back then. ‘Enjoyed was just a fill in’.

More my point is I enjoyed exploring his points regarding roster growth and peaks and seeing how that applied to current teams.

You can’t deny that Penrith / Manly and Melbourne all fit into that catergory.
Roosters were forced to move closer to that line this year and the Bunnies will be going through that next year. All teams top of the table.

 

[Demps]

Lol Hooper. You can taste his salt.

As if you would defend Wayne Collins. Definitely was part of the problem.

Grow a set Hooper and move on mate.

Called him a genuine nice guy of the game.
The casual fans don't even know him.
No one cares. 😂

 

[The_Patriot]

Lol Hooper. You can taste his salt.

As if you would defend Wayne Collins. Definitely was part of the problem.

Grow a set Hooper and move on mate.

Called him a genuine nice guy of the game.
The casual fans don't even know him.
No one cares. ?

One of the most bitter bit of journalism I've seen this year. What a sad pathetic loser to defend that dinosaur.

 

[Lauren]

I’ve just read the SMH report and what struck me as weird was the concern from the board that there needed to be greater connection between the club and the football department.

From the chairs and CEO’s previous communication, it seems the separation between the football department and club was intentional given Pascoe and the board has no football intelligence. I remember at the start of this review the chair laying the blame on the football department and going to painstaking lengths to praise the financial performance of the front office. It’s hypocritical bs that the board have laid the blame at Madge’s feet for the org structure and delineation of duties and responsibilities and that’s coming from someone who wanted Madge gone.

This is just one example of mixed messaging and diabolical communication from the club. I remember when Taylor got sacked, the club refused to acknowledge he was the wrong choice (clearly he was), the Pangai Jnr situation was embarrassing and unprofessional and yesterday’s cancelled board meeting was just a train wreck from start to finish. Communication may seem like a minor detail but poor communication creates uncertainty and an unstable working environment. It makes us seem outwardly unprofessional and chaotic, and degrades our integrity. Also it points to deeper issues of a lack of strategic direction both on and off the field.

Sorry for the long-winded rant guys I’ve just never been more disappointed and ashamed of the club.

Why was the cancelled board meeting embarrassing?

I find it embarrassing because it was a knee-jerk reaction to media reports and another back-flip by the club. It makes the board look spineless and indecisive because they can’t make a decision and allow that decision to be scrutinised. No matter what field you’re in any decision will likely be criticised but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be decisive. It just means that you should have the rationale and evidence to augment any decisions/stance. This seems lost on the board.

Madge presented to the Football committee yesterday and the board decided to think on it over night, it doesn't mean there was a backflip.

I felt the board lost their nerve after criticism from the media. I get the board needed to consider Madge’s response but I can’t see how Madge’s response would have differed that greatly to the commentary/feedback he gave during the review process.

Based on?

Doesnt Occams Razor and the known facts all point towards the board/club actually doing things properly?

Doing things right like missing the finals the past ten years? Can you point to anything the board is actually doing right?

Ive made it clear a few times, we are talking about the role of management since the end of the season. Can yo upoint to something they have done wrong?

Well they didn’t conduct an independent review for starters. The CEO isn’t a subject matter expert in football operations so it would make sense to procure someone with that knowledge and understanding to conduct the review into the football department to identify any areas of weakness or develop solutions to enable improvement. The scope of any review should have also included Hartigan and Pascoe particularly given concerns about recruitment.

I think the board should at least look at a restructure given the lack of football understanding. I think it’s important to have a mixture of skill sets on the board and diverse representatives to avoid group think. For obvious reasons it’s important to have a solicitor, accountant etc but it’s also important to have some subject matter experts eg people with footy nous and experience. This doesn’t have to be the prevalent skillset but maybe two or so reps with footy nous. I’d also look at having an uneven number of board members but that’s mostly personal preference to avoid hung votes.

There’s also the mixed messages from the chair. He gave an interview saying Madge was fine, turned around a week later and refused to confirm if Madge was safe. It creates confusion and an unstable environment that allows innuendo and rumours to swirl. But that’s just my take on it.

So can you point to any positive steps or actions the board has taken since the end of season?

Tbh think the conflicting messages is an indication of the board (and its decision making process) as well as the club's crisis management or crisis response systems. That there's a clear hierarchical or chain of command involved.

 

[JC99]

Madge hasn't taken a team to finals since 2015. In 2017 he took the Rabbitohs to 12th place, the year after Anthony Seibold took over who's a terrible coach and got essentially the same roster to finish third.

Hopefully he breaks his streak next season.

 

[Viking Warrior]

Madge hasn't taken a team to finals since 2015. In 2017 he took the Rabbitohs to 12th place, the year after Anthony Seibold took over who's a terrible coach and got essentially the same roster to finish third.

Hopefully he breaks his streak next season.

Needs to reinvent himself

 

[tigerap]

Sound like the Board ebbed and flowed before finally making a decision

 

[JC99]

Madge hasn't taken a team to finals since 2015. In 2017 he took the Rabbitohs to 12th place, the year after Anthony Seibold took over who's a terrible coach and got essentially the same roster to finish third.

Hopefully he breaks his streak next season.

Needs to reinvent himself

He certainly can't do the same "coaching" techniques he used this year, it failed miserably

 

[Demps]

Madge hasn't taken a team to finals since 2015. In 2017 he took the Rabbitohs to 12th place, the year after Anthony Seibold took over who's a terrible coach and got essentially the same roster to finish third.

Hopefully he breaks his streak next season.

Needs to reinvent himself

What do you suggest?

The tough guy act didn't work as the players all sulked and brought out their egg shells nonsense.

The nice guy act didn't work either, seemed forced and fake, as seen on the doco.

Needs to just smarten up, bring in some big gun assistants and start shopping around the problem players that think they own the club. Until then, he's on the same track as the last 3 years.