Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[avocadoontoast]

when we signed Madge I was excited a tough coach who would put some mental toughness in to us. I was worried about the souths time given all the good players they had Burgess Inglis Reynolds Luke etc was it just right place right time for Madge. Also know some allied health professionals who used to be around souths and they told me some Madge stories.
I just want Madge gone now and I know it is Sack another coach I feel bad about that but what are we going to do I think the game has passed Madge by.
I'm worried about who is available for us

John Morris
Can he attract talent, possibly he has played for us and seems a good bloke he might get us playing footy again and maybe we could sign a tobu Rudolph or something

Shane Flannagan
The peps bother me but I think the guy can coach and probably communicate better than Madge

Geoff Toovey
Maybe, has the game passed him by ?

Walker Brothers
Sign them and maybe have a shot at Walker the halfback

Eddie Jones
Do you roll the dice and put a john Morris as assistant coach I know a bit out there but never know

Flanagan is probably the best coach but definitely not the best person. I used to hate the thought of someone like him at the club but i'm so sick of losing i'm not sure I care anymore.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

when we signed Madge I was excited a tough coach who would put some mental toughness in to us. I was worried about the souths time given all the good players they had Burgess Inglis Reynolds Luke etc was it just right place right time for Madge. Also know some allied health professionals who used to be around souths and they told me some Madge stories.
I just want Madge gone now and I know it is Sack another coach I feel bad about that but what are we going to do I think the game has passed Madge by.
I'm worried about who is available for us

John Morris
Can he attract talent, possibly he has played for us and seems a good bloke he might get us playing footy again and maybe we could sign a tobu Rudolph or something

Shane Flannagan
The peps bother me but I think the guy can coach and probably communicate better than Madge

Geoff Toovey
Maybe, has the game passed him by ?

Walker Brothers
Sign them and maybe have a shot at Walker the halfback

Eddie Jones
Do you roll the dice and put a john Morris as assistant coach I know a bit out there but never know

Flanagan is probably the best coach but definitely not the best person

I agree I just don't know how to feel about Flanagan given what went down but I think we need to do something

 

[Blake]

when we signed Madge I was excited a tough coach who would put some mental toughness in to us. I was worried about the souths time given all the good players they had Burgess Inglis Reynolds Luke etc was it just right place right time for Madge. Also know some allied health professionals who used to be around souths and they told me some Madge stories.
I just want Madge gone now and I know it is Sack another coach I feel bad about that but what are we going to do I think the game has passed Madge by.
I'm worried about who is available for us

John Morris
Can he attract talent, possibly he has played for us and seems a good bloke he might get us playing footy again and maybe we could sign a tobu Rudolph or something

Shane Flannagan
The peps bother me but I think the guy can coach and probably communicate better than Madge

Geoff Toovey
Maybe, has the game passed him by ?

Walker Brothers
Sign them and maybe have a shot at Walker the halfback

Eddie Jones
Do you roll the dice and put a john Morris as assistant coach I know a bit out there but never know

Everyone thought Madge was a great choice to turn the club around, I was upset that Cleary left but saw Madge as an upgrade. If he couldn't do it then the list of more qualified coaches that have not experienced lean periods is extremely short.

Bellamy and Robinson have had a great run of success, but it took time to create their systems and they did not do it alone.

 

[Telltails]

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/paul-gallen-column-wests-tigers-michael-maguire-future-harden-up/e9202b17-9eb3-461e-8e9f-a221978b2d9d
Food for thought.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

when we signed Madge I was excited a tough coach who would put some mental toughness in to us. I was worried about the souths time given all the good players they had Burgess Inglis Reynolds Luke etc was it just right place right time for Madge. Also know some allied health professionals who used to be around souths and they told me some Madge stories.
I just want Madge gone now and I know it is Sack another coach I feel bad about that but what are we going to do I think the game has passed Madge by.
I'm worried about who is available for us

John Morris
Can he attract talent, possibly he has played for us and seems a good bloke he might get us playing footy again and maybe we could sign a tobu Rudolph or something

Shane Flannagan
The peps bother me but I think the guy can coach and probably communicate better than Madge

Geoff Toovey
Maybe, has the game passed him by ?

Walker Brothers
Sign them and maybe have a shot at Walker the halfback

Eddie Jones
Do you roll the dice and put a john Morris as assistant coach I know a bit out there but never know

Everyone thought Madge was a great choice to turn the club around, I was upset that Cleary left but saw Madge as an upgrade. If he couldn't do it then the list of more qualified coaches that have not experienced lean periods is extremely short.

Bellamy and Robinson have had a great run of success, but it took time to create their systems and they did not do it alone.

I thought Madge would turn us around or at the very least have us playing bash n barge footy, we don't have the cattle for that though. The game has changed since 2014.

 

[hank37w]

I think John Morris would be my preferred option for coach

I think Craig Bellamy would be mine

Why would he ruin his reputation by coming here?

Besides that, he's already angry enough, this place would kill him.

 

[Blake]

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/paul-gallen-column-wests-tigers-michael-maguire-future-harden-up/e9202b17-9eb3-461e-8e9f-a221978b2d9d
Food for thought.

That was actually an interesting analysis. I don't watch footy shows and never thought of Gallen as a thinker.

 

[Tigrrs]

Clueless attack, clueless defence and team not motivated or improving = coach has to go

 

[Sco77y]

**The numbers that show why Maguire is in the crosshairs at Tigers**

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/the-numbers-that-show-why-maguire-is-in-the-crosshairs-at-tigers-20210425-p57m9o.html

Michael Maguire equalled Jason Taylor on Sunday as the second-longest serving coach in Wests Tigers history. His record is now worse.

In his 51 games as Wests Tigers coach, Maguire has won just 19 at a rate of 37.3 per cent. Even Taylor, who was sacked just three rounds into the 2017 season in the hope of keeping the now defunct big four, had a better record.

Granted, new coaches are always given time to rebuild, but time is now revealing that this may be more than just a Wests Tigers problem. Perhaps there’s a Michael Maguire problem?

In Maguire’s last 51 games in charge of a star-studded Rabbitohs side, his success rate was even worse (18 wins) than it is now at the Wests Tigers.

The mood in the dressing rooms following a 46-6 loss to Canberra in the nation’s capital four years ago was enough to convince the Tigers to pull the trigger on Taylor. Club hierarchy decided that Taylor had lost the dressing room. They would have been wondering the same thing again after the Anzac Day demolition at the hands of Manly at Bankwest Stadium.

The players aren’t without fault, but they don’t appear to be playing for the jersey or the coach. The club held those fears over the summer. It’s why they would only give Maguire a two-year extension if he agreed to specific performance-based clauses that allowed them to spear him without a huge financial hit.

While the Tigers need to be applauded for nabbing some of the best young players in the game, the fact they can’t attract any big name quality players isn’t a good reflection of the coach.

In an interview in the preseason, Maguire tried to sugar-coat it by saying he didn’t want players who were afraid of hard work. Having spoken to several players about the Tigers, the concern isn’t about hard work, but being over-worked.

Since Benji Marshall turned back the clock on Friday night to lead South Sydney to a come-from-behind win against the Titans, questions have been asked as to why the Tigers let him go. But those suggesting the Tigers should have done more to keep Marshall are oblivious to what went on in Marshall’s last season at the club. What he could offer the team on a football field became irrelevant.

The only way Marshall could have stayed at the Wests Tigers and it not blow up in their face was if the club chose him over Maguire. That’s how badly their relationship had soured.

At the time, sacking the coach was a non-negotiable. But what Rabbitohs coach Wayne Bennett has since been able to extract from a 36-year-old Marshall is just one reason why Maguire is no longer on such solid ground.

**Maguire’s decision to drop Marshall after round four was the beginning of the end for the Kiwi at the club. Marshall felt so disrespected, and hard done by given his Dally M-leading form over the opening month of the season, that his strong relationship with the coach deteriorated rapidly.**

Marshall was so upset with how things played out that he did not want his wife and son at his final game. He even left the match ball that was presented to him inside the change rooms at Bankwest Stadium, and had to be begged to attend the club’s presentation a few nights later.

Maguire would never talk about it publicly, but multiple sources within the club have told the Herald the Tigers coach began to question Marshall’s influence on the team.

Internally, there was a feeling the narrative – that the coach had lost the dressing room – stemmed from Marshall’s discontent towards him. That may have been the case, but perhaps someone at the club should have listened to what was being said, not who was saying it.

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Glad Marshall is gone, but it seems his negative impact is probably still being felt. What a sook.. There is too much smoke around him without the general portrayal of him not being true.

 

[TillLindemann]

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/paul-gallen-column-wests-tigers-michael-maguire-future-harden-up/e9202b17-9eb3-461e-8e9f-a221978b2d9d
Food for thought.

Hits the nail on the head.

 

[TillLindemann]

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/paul-gallen-column-wests-tigers-michael-maguire-future-harden-up/e9202b17-9eb3-461e-8e9f-a221978b2d9d
Food for thought.

That was actually an interesting analysis. I don't watch footy shows and never thought of Gallen as a thinker.

Same, it's a surprisingly good read.

 

[Tigrrs]

Gallen should stick to boxing,was not a smart footballer or now commentator

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

I thought Galen's article was not too bad

 

[Sco77y]

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/paul-gallen-column-wests-tigers-michael-maguire-future-harden-up/e9202b17-9eb3-461e-8e9f-a221978b2d9d
Food for thought.

Can't disagree with any of that

 

[WT2K]

Hooper on his blog saying won't be gone this week but the drums are beating

 

[dazza65]

Hooper on his blog saying won't be gone this week but the drums are beating

They need time to find and talk with other coaches.... unless that has already been done.....

 

[ElleryHanley]

I thought Galen's article was not too bad

Gallen contradicted himself about ten times...

For example:

**Every decent team has one thing in common: they back their defence. They're tough and resilient without the ball.**

Yet Madge's teams (for his past five years / not just us) have been poor defensively.

Gallen also waffles on about scoring points is our culture, neglecting to look at our points FOR under Madge is third worst in the comp and shows we have no attacking structure.

So...under Madge we have the third worst attack AND the worst defense AND a total record under 37% AND his last two years with Souths were under 37%.

I am tired of people defending Madge on all this...there is only one common denominator in all of these things / from last two years at Souths also...him.

 

[Tim Sheens]

From Hooper's blog:
It will cost the Wests Tigers upwards of $600,000 if the club decides it’s time to terminate Michael Maguire’s contract.

Madge signed an extension at Concord until the end of 2023 at the end of last year but like with all contracts these days there’s an exit settlement.

The terms of it? It’s 12-months pay. So if the Wests Tigers decide they want to move Maguire on at any stage, it’ll cost the club about $600,000.

Lucky Pascoe is a financial wizard. He'll have us back in the black in no time.

Just like the Farah fine he arranged, only a little less this time.

 

[The_Patriot]

Not opposed to a new coach coming in and retaining Maguire in a head of football role. Similar to the role we offered Sheens.

A Morris and Maguire structure could work.

Morris presents well to the media, doesnt just spew the same old drivel, actually says what he thinks and people can relate to him. He also has the understanding of what the players need to perform well.

Strategy, development and recruitment of the club could be over seen by Maguire with Morris to offer input.

Failing that the only way i can handle the sacking of Maguire is with a Bellamy or Flanagan signing.

 

[Tim Sheens]

There is not one positive about our current form and I'm seriously torn and confused on all of this.
Recruit new coach and players.
Extend, sack or release.
Feels like the club is forever in a quandary, on the road to nowhere.
No coach is good enough. The culture or environment isn't right for the players. The players are consistently unsatisfactory in effort and attitude. We don't have the right leaders. We don't have or can't recruit the right type of players.

Now recent articles about Madge during Souths have surfaced, the whole Seibold white-anting narrative has been entirely replaced by Madge being incompetent at winning, has obsolete methods and poor man management skills.
The same coach we commended during his appointment despite having an inkling of the aforementioned stuff.
I'm seriously over watching players that look clueless at times, and lack spirit and mental toughness.
I'm also seriously over watching the most unimaginative gameplans attempted to be executed, lacking vision, smarts and skill.
We've got Mbye and Packer left from Ivan and now also a number of recruits handpicked by Madge, does this mean we'll be faced with unloading further players. To what extent does it affect the current playing group? There may be problems between coach and players but will it further impact their performance in any way?
There's a number of questions that already have an historical answer in place.
It's been done before and whether its the correct decision or not it shows an unhealthy pattern at the club. The only constant is the club's backing from the fans, who continue to support and stick up for them.
So where's the professionalism from the club?
We've been climbing the impossible Penrose staircase since Sheens left with no end in sight. As a fan I'm sick of having to endure this over and over again.

Its all exhausting. I mentioned in a previous post, the club needs to answer to the fans and members. CEO, coach and senior players need to front up to a members Q&A where all answers must be transparent and clear; good bad and ugly. They need to be held accountable and explain themselves to the fans and sponsors why they deserve to keep their jobs and let us suffer through this year and year out.

A Q & A won’t get you anywhere. Some idiot would ask Pascoe about his haircut. That’s about the level you’d get. The real questions would never get asked.

Dont doubt that, but they need to have the floor open - no pre set questions. However they decide to do it - all im saying is we need complete transparency (good or bad) as to what exactly the issues are. If they cannot provide a clear, straight forward answer then they're clearly not the right person for the job.

Do you really think basically all top squad players and key personnel should be exposed to warts and all questioning from members (most if not all lacking any relevant experience) and what do you expect to achieve from it?