Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[TillLindemann]

Hooper saying we should get the Wayne Bennett & Adam Reynolds double. Doesn’t sound like a bad idea.

Wayne. Can. Not. Coach. Weak. Rosters.

Or ... Anyone .... else!

So our issue is recruitment, not the coach.

 

[jrtiger]

Change the thread from sack Madge to Back Madge. Malcontents back to Ron Massey Cup and bring in our younger players. Announce full rebuild and take the time to fix this. We are light years away cut the nonsense we are near a finals team and then battle away and get better.

I'll back Madge if he puts his hand up and says he needs help, cops an internal review and brings in assistants that can implement structures that are equipped for the modern game.

 

[Blake]

when we signed Madge I was excited a tough coach who would put some mental toughness in to us. I was worried about the souths time given all the good players they had Burgess Inglis Reynolds Luke etc was it just right place right time for Madge. Also know some allied health professionals who used to be around souths and they told me some Madge stories.
I just want Madge gone now and I know it is Sack another coach I feel bad about that but what are we going to do I think the game has passed Madge by.
I'm worried about who is available for us

John Morris
Can he attract talent, possibly he has played for us and seems a good bloke he might get us playing footy again and maybe we could sign a tobu Rudolph or something

Shane Flannagan
The peps bother me but I think the guy can coach and probably communicate better than Madge

Geoff Toovey
Maybe, has the game passed him by ?

Walker Brothers
Sign them and maybe have a shot at Walker the halfback

Eddie Jones
Do you roll the dice and put a john Morris as assistant coach I know a bit out there but never know

Everyone thought Madge was a great choice to turn the club around, I was upset that Cleary left but saw Madge as an upgrade. If he couldn't do it then the list of more qualified coaches that have not experienced lean periods is extremely short.

Bellamy and Robinson have had a great run of success, but it took time to create their systems and they did not do it alone.

I thought Madge would turn us around or at the very least have us playing bash n barge footy, we don't have the cattle for that though. The game has changed since 2014.

People said Bennet was too old and was out of touch many years ago. Now he is the Super Coach again. It is amazing how short peoples memories are.

The point is that the best coach does not always win the comp and good players, good assistants, good previous coaches can make a current coach look way better then they really are. It takes a lot of people, time and luck to win a premiership.

 

[Telltails]

I thought Galen's article was not too bad

Gallen contradicted himself about ten times...

For example:

**Every decent team has one thing in common: they back their defence. They're tough and resilient without the ball.**

Yet Madge's teams (for his past five years / not just us) have been poor defensively.

Gallen also waffles on about scoring points is our culture, neglecting to look at our points FOR under Madge is third worst in the comp and shows we have no attacking structure.

So...under Madge we have the third worst attack AND the worst defense AND a total record under 37% AND his last two years with Souths were under 37%.

I am tired of people defending Madge on all this...there is only one common denominator in all of these things / from last two years at Souths also...him.

Maguire didn't create this he walked into it. It's taken two years to clean up the cap mess and move on under performing players. We have a team with plenty of young guys still adjusting to FG - of course they will be inconsistent. Sack Maguire and you cost the club 600k before hiring a new coach who will still face the same challenges of moulding a squad with no elite players into a competitive unit. This is not an individual problem it's a club problem and sacking one person to replace them with another and expect a fix takes all onus of all the stake holders in making the club successful including the players.

 

[hodgo]

This is funny as harsh but funny.


[Madge at training](https://twitter.com/billy__buttons/status/1386471051094224904?s=19)

 

[DarlingSt]

its a double edged sword

as highlighted by other members, prob best thing to do would be to stick by him and disrupt the squad as little as possible.

but how long can we put up with this. baffling selections, no evolution of gameplan in the last 3 seasons, same defensive structural problems as always, and a rapidly declining player morale.

i used to think maybe it was just the players that didnt understand him, or that it was more on them. But really players are just not getting any better in the time he has been coach, and i know a few ex-players who have divulged some details of how he operates. Basically it is 'stick to my system or you will be dropped', speak against it at your own peril. You can see it on the field too, they are made to execute block play after block play, no allowance for creativity or imagination.

A coach should be able to get the best out of his players, this coach has only brought out the worst. Its been like this for two years, and we're into the 3rd with the worst season start in this clubs iteration. At what point do we really look to address it?

 

[4jtigers]

I just want to put this in here and hopefully some of you can reflect on it.



Sacking the coach is not the answer, we are back to square one of rebuilding if we do it. You all want a quick fix and I know I will get shot down by saying this - "patience is the key" I can see some young ones that will be a star of the future - hopefully he can let them play after Round 10. I am in the same boat as you guys - I want to win too so please don't get me wrong. If only it was that easy.

Cmon, quoting some meaningless statistic in order to support such an important decision is RI -Dic- U -Lous!! If we were competitive but just getting beat buy playing attractive , committed football I could agree, but we look like a kids team.. they stand too flat, they don’t run onto the ball, they build no pressure , and they let an attacker run past them
With the ball and refuse to chase and just hope someone else will tackle them.. Mbye looks to offload every single time without ever putting a defender in two minds as to whether he will run the ball, same as Brooks who when he does run stops like he has been shot when a hand goes on him.. Brooks kicking game is diabolical, the attack is pathetic and chaotic and disorganised. They do not play as a team, appear to have no desire and put a lot of pressure on poor Daine Laurie who must be asking himself “ why did I come to this the Hellscape

I just want to put this in here and hopefully some of you can reflect on it.



Sacking the coach is not the answer, we are back to square one of rebuilding if we do it. You all want a quick fix and I know I will get shot down by saying this - "patience is the key" I can see some young ones that will be a star of the future - hopefully he can let them play after Round 10. I am in the same boat as you guys - I want to win too so please don't get me wrong. If only it was that easy.

what important decision is being made? by who? you and me? we have no say in what they do if they sack him or not... I am just letting some know to cool it down... getting upset over nothing... this is just football... there is more to life than footy mate... if anything is being ridiculous, it is you... you are entitled to how you feel and so be it.

 

[JayT]

I feel what Bennet has been able to get out of Benji, and how Maguire felt Benji might be the problem, which doesnt appear true, shows we need a coach that can see things more clearly and get the most out of the team. Also the fact no stars want to play for him.

 

[TYGA]

Change the thread from sack Madge to Back Madge. Malcontents back to Ron Massey Cup and bring in our younger players. Announce full rebuild and take the time to fix this. We are light years away cut the nonsense we are near a finals team and then battle away and get better.

I'll back Madge if he puts his hand up and says he needs help, cops an internal review and brings in assistants that can implement structures that are equipped for the modern game.

I agree with this. From the outside looking in he looks like a bloke trying to carry a club and sinking under the weight.

 

[4jtigers]

I just want to put this in here and hopefully some of you can reflect on it.



Sacking the coach is not the answer, we are back to square one of rebuilding if we do it. You all want a quick fix and I know I will get shot down by saying this - "patience is the key" I can see some young ones that will be a star of the future - hopefully he can let them play after Round 10. I am in the same boat as you guys - I want to win too so please don't get me wrong. If only it was that easy.

Misleading
He did caretaker in 2012 and 2014 he was coach
2014 - took them to 10th after taking over from Stuart who got the spoon
2015th -12th
2016 which would be in line with madge tenure had them top 4 with salary cap debacle and they finished 14th
Then 2017 they made top 4

Whilst 2015 result went backwards they could see the improvements

whilst with madge the results are getting worse year on year (assuming this year remains at the level they are at ).

Whilst I don’t think sacking him for the sake of sacking him is the way to go , especially since he is building the pathways to the club ..... you have to ask has he shown he will improve the results of the first grade side , if he has lost this group of players what makes you think he will turn it around next year or year after and that is the question you need to answer .
Has he shown that he will improve the fortunes going forward which IMO is a No , which is unfortunate as you can see a plan in place with the young guys he has been recruiting

agree totally mate, I just don't know that sacking him now is the answer

 

[jrtiger]

Change the thread from sack Madge to Back Madge. Malcontents back to Ron Massey Cup and bring in our younger players. Announce full rebuild and take the time to fix this. We are light years away cut the nonsense we are near a finals team and then battle away and get better.

I'll back Madge if he puts his hand up and says he needs help, cops an internal review and brings in assistants that can implement structures that are equipped for the modern game.

I agree with this. From the outside looking in he looks like a bloke trying to carry a club and sinking under the weight.

It's tough to watch but he is struggling. Unfortunately though you live and die by the decisions you make, and at the moment he continues to make poor choices.

 

[Newtown]

Change the thread from sack Madge to Back Madge. Malcontents back to Ron Massey Cup and bring in our younger players. Announce full rebuild and take the time to fix this. We are light years away cut the nonsense we are near a finals team and then battle away and get better.

I'll back Madge if he puts his hand up and says he needs help, cops an internal review and brings in assistants that can implement structures that are equipped for the modern game.

That's what Manly did.

 

[jrtiger]

Change the thread from sack Madge to Back Madge. Malcontents back to Ron Massey Cup and bring in our younger players. Announce full rebuild and take the time to fix this. We are light years away cut the nonsense we are near a finals team and then battle away and get better.

I'll back Madge if he puts his hand up and says he needs help, cops an internal review and brings in assistants that can implement structures that are equipped for the modern game.

That's what Manly did.

and they put 40 on us yesterday. Hagipantelis and Pascoe have carried on in the media for years, and our onfield results have gotten worse. congratulations on the COE and all your corporate partnerships gents, we're running last. be accountable.

 

[rihannafan1]

They need to give him more support and for God's sake, get Lee out of the media. Less words, more action, please.

 

[NT_Tiger]

Does anyone actually know who's managing our defence? Seeing our wingers rush in to close down the space only to get outsmarted by a decent pass/kick/smile every week is depressing. We've got to stop this rushing in and laving opponents unmarked rubbish.

Whomever is our defensive coach must be sacked effective immediately.

Madges mate. Trust me, players talk and it is common knowledge we have no defensive structure, nor are we taught it.

Anthony Seibold says otherwise. https://www.nrl.com/tv/shows/game-plan/2021/the-fundamentals-of-try-line-defence/

 

[NT_Tiger]

I cant think of any player in this squad who has improved in the last 2 years. The structures in attack are woeful and bordering on park football. It appears no one knows what he next bloke is doing and the ball just gets passed to someone in the hope they do something. The guys cant complete the fundamentals right and the defensive structures especially on our goal line is not up to standard. People keep blaming different individuals in the team (namely Brooks) but he has no clear attacking options as there is never a structured play on that fools or sucks in defensive lines. Since he arrived at the club he has stated he needs to change the culture so he goes and buys Jimmy the jet and Bj Leilua. If you really wanted to change the culture i cant think of 2 worse guys to buy. Anyway sorry for my rant - just had to get it off my chest.

Agree - he doesn't seem to be signing players with character, then wonders why we lack discipline and ability to tough it out.

I have to agree as well, in fact he has gotten rid of players who used to bust a gut each week and lead by example. He may not be the best judge of character.

 

[Tigerlily]

They need to give him more support and for God's sake, get Lee out of the media. Less words, more action, please.

Lee has all the trade marks of a Benny Elias in the making.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Not opposed to a new coach coming in and retaining Maguire in a head of football role. Similar to the role we offered Sheens.

A Morris and Maguire structure could work.

Morris presents well to the media, doesnt just spew the same old drivel, actually says what he thinks and people can relate to him. He also has the understanding of what the players need to perform well.

Strategy, development and recruitment of the club could be over seen by Maguire with Morris to offer input.

Failing that the only way i can handle the sacking of Maguire is with a Bellamy or Flanagan signing.

Morris and head of coaching Sheens could work well, think madge and Morris might clash

 

[851]

Does anyone actually know who's managing our defence? Seeing our wingers rush in to close down the space only to get outsmarted by a decent pass/kick/smile every week is depressing. We've got to stop this rushing in and laving opponents unmarked rubbish.

Whomever is our defensive coach must be sacked effective immediately.

Madges mate. Trust me, players talk and it is common knowledge we have no defensive structure, nor are we taught it.

There is part of the problem right there, "no defensive structure, nor are we taught it", for goodness sake these are professional footballers and they have no idea how to defend. I don't care if its "sliding", "up and in" or "edging", these blokes can't even number up which is the most basic part of defending. Stats back this up.
BY the way why did you use the word "we" as in "nor are we taught it", just curious.

Do you really believe there is no defensive structure not taught - it would be all over the media if that was the case and he would never have one a premiership - don’t listen to people saying so and so said

Believe what you want. I'm not naming players. Clearly the defensive results speak for themselves.

Every club's defensive structure is being tested with the new rules. Very few teams have not been victim to a 30+ defeat and or have had to score more than thirty to win.

Not every week, we get 30 put on us every week, totally unacceptable, time to end this rot

 

[gallagher]

Not opposed to a new coach coming in and retaining Maguire in a head of football role. Similar to the role we offered Sheens.

A Morris and Maguire structure could work.

Morris presents well to the media, doesnt just spew the same old drivel, actually says what he thinks and people can relate to him. He also has the understanding of what the players need to perform well.

Strategy, development and recruitment of the club could be over seen by Maguire with Morris to offer input.

Failing that the only way i can handle the sacking of Maguire is with a Bellamy or Flanagan signing.

Morris and head of coaching Sheens could work well, think madge and Morris might clash

Morris and Flanagan