Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

@tilllindemann said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1348182) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348175) said:
We urgently need a new coach with excellent people mgmt skills like Sheens, Bennett, Cleary or Morris.

The first we punted because we couldn't win, why go back to that?

The second doesn't want to come here, and only has a track record of success at star-studded clubs. At Newcastle he was abysmal. Coaching England and Great Britain he was a disgrace and was hounded out. If he came here we would get his Newcastle record, not his Broncos/Souths record.

The third we tried, he was useless here, we couldn't make the 8, he was the worst recruiter in club history, and ultimately the greatest dog in club history.

The fourth is a good bloke who has briefly done ok, but has no long term track record to judge.

None of the above will solve our issues.
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@TillLindemann :+1 said:
But on the other hand we could just do 'business as usual' for a couple of years until our Jersey Flegg and NSW Cup boys are ready to step up.
 
@tilllindemann said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349291) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349286) said:
@telltails said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349283) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349251) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349247) said:
@telltails said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349222) said:
@tony-soprano said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349217) said:
@telltails said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349202) said:
The sack Madge campaign comes largely from fans who have no accountabilty for the 600k it would cost to do it, with no guarantee that in the short term any replacement could provide a quick fix to a problem that has taken years to create. I would hope those in control would be far more measured in decision making around this than reacting to emotional fans who have all the solutions- but in truth don't.

It came from the board embarrassed about results.

And has gained traction by a percentage of a vocal fan base understandably sick of losing.

And that traction is justified. I accept losses but wanted improvement in defence, attack, player's skills, discipline and composure. In short, confirmation we are on an upward trajectory. That has not happened. You worry about the cost to the business of acting. I worry about the cost to the business of not acting.

The pick and stick mentality works if there's evidence of some improvement, but in every measurable metric we've gone backwards and continue to do so.

This rebuild is a club rebuild. You are basing every thing on the performance of team that next to no-one rates. It is established that the club can not attract the players we need to be successful in our FG side which means building from the bottom up to get to that point. There is not one contracted player in that first grade side that I can identify that is worth sacking another coach for - the cost financially and the perception that we can never see any thing through or get it right. All that will do is set the next coach up for failure too.

Why have we gone backwards when we’ve supposedly gotten rid of much of the dead wood and replaced them with Madge’s signings? Do you think our roster is stronger or weaker than 2018, when we finished 9th.

Because many of Madge's signings are kids still finding their way. Give Simpkin time, give Simpkins time, give Laurie time, give Uto time. Mbye and Packer are still hogging a big chunk of the salary cap. 2022 was always going to be the year we get to splurge.

I agree with all the above and I was an avid madge supporter. My main issue is the type of football we are playing. It’s either the players aren’t listening or the coach’s game plan is too outdated. If the club is going to stick by madge then he needs support ASAP. I would still target someone like John Morris , and get him involved in our attack. Having him there also means if it doesn’t work out with madge you have someone ready to take over straight away.
 
@rex2ce said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1348185) said:
@truetiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1347176) said:
If Madge goes,sobeit,we move on with a new coach and hopefully he has success that atm we are not getting...
However,if he has results the same as Madge,do we judge him the same way and demand he gets sacked after 2/3 seasons with no finals and nothing but whinging,moaning and bellittling him as we have Madge..where does that leave us...IN THE SAME PLACE...
Madge has developed the junior pathway,signed talented young players mixed in with older players..he is trying to mend a broken club left shattered by sacked coaches a coach who was "on the bus'' and spent ridiculous amounts on players he wanted that would suit his coaching style and then jumped off the bus mid stream to find something better which he always had..his son at Panthers..
I can understand the disappointment by many on here,I also see that Madge can coach players to become NRL level players,Harry Grant comes to mind,Laurie was a great get just as we needed a fullback and is doing well...
We have a very young immature roster with experience mixed in,Im more than happy to see the end result after this season before supporting the "sack Madge"squad..
We also have a number of origin players,Tamou,Joe O,Mbye,Roberts and they are maybe not coping with the youth surrounding them,who really knows what mentally is happening with the team who are under pressure to perform,the seasoned players must react positively to their performances so as the younger ones become tougher NRL performers playing with heart and soul for the jersey and understanding what it takes to play at this level...I just dont think its all Madges fault,his staff,players as well all contribute to the lack of success we are having.....


Elevate Maguire to coaching director, bring in Flanagan or Morris , everyone saves face

As John McEnroe once said---"are you serious".
Most of us are saying Madge 'cant coach' and your suggesting he be promoted to coaching director :face_palm: :slightly_smiling_face: .
 
@newtown said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349328) said:
@truetiger said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349302) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349293) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349291) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349286) said:
@telltails said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349283) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349251) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349247) said:
@telltails said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349222) said:
@tony-soprano said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349217) said:
@telltails said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349202) said:
The sack Madge campaign comes largely from fans who have no accountabilty for the 600k it would cost to do it, with no guarantee that in the short term any replacement could provide a quick fix to a problem that has taken years to create. I would hope those in control would be far more measured in decision making around this than reacting to emotional fans who have all the solutions- but in truth don't.

It came from the board embarrassed about results.

And has gained traction by a percentage of a vocal fan base understandably sick of losing.

And that traction is justified. I accept losses but wanted improvement in defence, attack, player's skills, discipline and composure. In short, confirmation we are on an upward trajectory. That has not happened. You worry about the cost to the business of acting. I worry about the cost to the business of not acting.

The pick and stick mentality works if there's evidence of some improvement, but in every measurable metric we've gone backwards and continue to do so.

This rebuild is a club rebuild. You are basing every thing on the performance of team that next to no-one rates. It is established that the club can not attract the players we need to be successful in our FG side which means building from the bottom up to get to that point. There is not one contracted player in that first grade side that I can identify that is worth sacking another coach for - the cost financially and the perception that we can never see any thing through or get it right. All that will do is set the next coach up for failure too.

Why have we gone backwards when we’ve supposedly gotten rid of much of the dead wood and replaced them with Madge’s signings? Do you think our roster is stronger or weaker than 2018, when we finished 9th.

Because many of Madge's signings are kids still finding their way. Give Simpkin time, give Simpkins time, give Laurie time, give Uto time. Mbye and Packer are still hogging a big chunk of the salary cap. 2022 was always going to be the year we get to splurge.

The young guys are not the reason we're second last. In fact it's the only reason we're competitive in some games.

But Avo they are part of the problem,eg AJ flipper hands,Talau wasnt performing well at the start,Mickaele mixture of good and bad,AD just fitting into 5/8 roleand gelling in the spine,Laurie brilliant potential but has defensive floors at the back,Garner great runner of lines worked well on Brooks side ...

They are all still learning and the experienced players must let them find their way and support them,atm things arent fully clicking,but when it does huge improvement will be noted....

Why can this team nearly put a top 4 team like Souths to the sword nearly one week and get hammered by a mid table team the next....

ITS A LEARNING CURVE THAT DOESNT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.....
cheers.....

TT, maybe it is really about confidence. The team really hs to believe in itself.

Im sure you have a great point Newtown,however,some of these players are NRL and rep standard mixed in with youth,its up to them to learn the gameplans,get the basics right,tackle hard and run hard,the seasoned players dont need to get confident,they need to get some heart and soul into their game and respect the club,coach and fans,thats what they get paid to do and show the youth how the game should be played...Most of all respect themselves and their teammates young and old...

Tommys day and Anzac day were disgraceful...I hope that those performances make them reflect on who they are and who they represent...Im 64 yrs old Newtown and I would have laced up the boots on Tommys day,given it my all no matter if I got hammered or broken,I respect the legend Tommy was and the Soldiers that died for our country to be the free and respected country we are today...
 
@magpies1963 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349334) said:
@rex2ce said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1348185) said:
@truetiger said in [Sack Madge](/post/1347176) said:
If Madge goes,sobeit,we move on with a new coach and hopefully he has success that atm we are not getting...
However,if he has results the same as Madge,do we judge him the same way and demand he gets sacked after 2/3 seasons with no finals and nothing but whinging,moaning and bellittling him as we have Madge..where does that leave us...IN THE SAME PLACE...
Madge has developed the junior pathway,signed talented young players mixed in with older players..he is trying to mend a broken club left shattered by sacked coaches a coach who was "on the bus'' and spent ridiculous amounts on players he wanted that would suit his coaching style and then jumped off the bus mid stream to find something better which he always had..his son at Panthers..
I can understand the disappointment by many on here,I also see that Madge can coach players to become NRL level players,Harry Grant comes to mind,Laurie was a great get just as we needed a fullback and is doing well...
We have a very young immature roster with experience mixed in,Im more than happy to see the end result after this season before supporting the "sack Madge"squad..
We also have a number of origin players,Tamou,Joe O,Mbye,Roberts and they are maybe not coping with the youth surrounding them,who really knows what mentally is happening with the team who are under pressure to perform,the seasoned players must react positively to their performances so as the younger ones become tougher NRL performers playing with heart and soul for the jersey and understanding what it takes to play at this level...I just dont think its all Madges fault,his staff,players as well all contribute to the lack of success we are having.....


Elevate Maguire to coaching director, bring in Flanagan or Morris , everyone saves face

As John McEnroe once said---"are you serious".
Most of us are saying Madge 'cant coach' and your suggesting he be promoted to coaching director :face_palm: :slightly_smiling_face: .

Special Projects is an unappreciated field of endeavour.
 
@needaname said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349261) said:
@earl said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349256) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349247) said:
You worry about the cost to the business of acting. I worry about the cost to the business of not acting.

It's a good point. A good way to think about this is if you had the choice of Madge or any other available coach for this season who would you choose ?

The thing that I keep coming back too is that we haven't had real terrible signings since Madge has been here. I mean BJ, Nofo or Brooks are potentially our worst decisions and I don't seem them as being that bad. We don't have contracts on our books that will kill us for years.

I also don't think players signing will care that much about the coach leaving. So long as we have a coach or a plan in place I don't see the issue. I also don't think we will target juniors who will care less about this as well.

Valid points.
But I’ll take you back to start of 2017.
As a result of that season we have the ability to use hindsight.

Were we really better off? We made such a drastic statement. CEO standing down JT and demanding success! It’s been 3-4 seasons since that day and as a result of the new appointment we were back to square 1.
By the end of 2017 we lost all our best juniors.
We spent all our marquee money.
We signed a combination of Dads army and Nomads.

Now Madge might not be getting results now on the field but he is getting them off it and in our lower grades.

We trade everything that has occurred from the past 2 years to start again and hand our blank cheque over to a new coach that hasn’t been in touch with the side and has had time to adjust to our needs we will be reliving the last 3 years again.
Do it once, do it right. Follow it through.
Our junior recruits are proving he has the right idea.
Our targets since Madge, sure we missed them but no one can say gee I’m glad we missed out on him.
Bunty Afoa
Latrell Mitchell
Josh Ado Carr
Jai Arrow
Alex Johnson
Jared Warea Hargreaves
Kurt Capwell.
Are all quality players and the right players.

I'm not sure if you were agreeing or disagreeing with me. To be clear I agree with you. We are a basket case because of our on field results but I don't see massive off field issues.

It's sort of my concern with Madge but also why I definitely wouldn't punt him at least just yet.

I get the impression some people like the idea that you can demand success as if it's just an attitude issue. It's much harder than that. You need to get a good first grade team with the right cattle, you need quality players coming through your systems, you then need a coach with tactical ability in tandem with the ability to somehow get the most out of his players and then you need some luck with injuries. The salary cap in today's game is huge. Teams that cheat it will be successful. Teams that manage their cap well have a much better chance of success.

I'm not sure Madge is a coach with sufficient tactical ability and the ability to get the most out of his players. That is impacting our results atm. At the same time I get the impression we are moving in the right direction and the last thing I want is another Cleary like re-build which to me was disastrous.
 
@twentyforty said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1348266) said:
When the legendary coach of the green bay packers, Vince Lombardi said winning isn’t everything, he’d probably never even heard of a group of people commonly referred to as Wests Tigers supporters.
What has happened since last year? I remember we unanimously agreed that successes in 2021 would not be limited to the figures on the scoreboard?
Madge is the second coach in our short history to take a long term view of installing long term success, in exchange for some short term pain. To be an overnight success takes a long time and I repeat, if we can keep Madge and the football admin long enough and continue to build on each small success, they will get us to a GF.

Has Madge ever said this is the plan going forward?
ie dont expect o'nite success or.... its gonna take 2 or 3 or 4 years before we expect something BIG to happen? :slightly_smiling_face:
 
@madge said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1348286) said:
I won't go into much detail as others have basically covered every area there is to cover. The biggest issue with Madge is he is still scarred by his Seibold experience which is affecting the progress of the team on the field.

It is a very selfish approach imo and he has to come to the realization that it is about the club not himself. He is trying to carry the club on his shoulders and it is not working. As others have said he is not a tactical coach he is a motivator, I see that. He needs to let go of his past and allow the club to bring in the right tactical assistants in both attack and defence.

I do think Madge has a lot of flaws and if we didn't have our history with previous coaches I probably would have said move on from him, but there is clearly an issue inherent in the club and that stems from the top down.

G'day @Madge I am about 60/40 against keeping Maguire.
You must know him personally to say he is still scarred by the Seibold experience?
If he is known as a 'motivator' It seems pretty obvious to me he isn't giving our blokes the motivation needed to be a successful team. :slightly_smiling_face:
 
@tilllindemann said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349299) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349293) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349291) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349286) said:
@telltails said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349283) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349251) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349247) said:
@telltails said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349222) said:
@tony-soprano said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349217) said:
@telltails said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349202) said:
The sack Madge campaign comes largely from fans who have no accountabilty for the 600k it would cost to do it, with no guarantee that in the short term any replacement could provide a quick fix to a problem that has taken years to create. I would hope those in control would be far more measured in decision making around this than reacting to emotional fans who have all the solutions- but in truth don't.

It came from the board embarrassed about results.

And has gained traction by a percentage of a vocal fan base understandably sick of losing.

And that traction is justified. I accept losses but wanted improvement in defence, attack, player's skills, discipline and composure. In short, confirmation we are on an upward trajectory. That has not happened. You worry about the cost to the business of acting. I worry about the cost to the business of not acting.

The pick and stick mentality works if there's evidence of some improvement, but in every measurable metric we've gone backwards and continue to do so.

This rebuild is a club rebuild. You are basing every thing on the performance of team that next to no-one rates. It is established that the club can not attract the players we need to be successful in our FG side which means building from the bottom up to get to that point. There is not one contracted player in that first grade side that I can identify that is worth sacking another coach for - the cost financially and the perception that we can never see any thing through or get it right. All that will do is set the next coach up for failure too.

Why have we gone backwards when we’ve supposedly gotten rid of much of the dead wood and replaced them with Madge’s signings? Do you think our roster is stronger or weaker than 2018, when we finished 9th.

Because many of Madge's signings are kids still finding their way. Give Simpkin time, give Simpkins time, give Laurie time, give Uto time. Mbye and Packer are still hogging a big chunk of the salary cap. 2022 was always going to be the year we get to splurge.

The young guys are not the reason we're second last. In fact it's the only reason we're competitive in some games.

When we can spend Packer, Mbye and BJ's money on some non-plodders to play with our promising youth, we'll be in the box seat.

Can you guarantee that we won’t replace the above mentioned plodders with another two plodders?

Moral of the story?
 
@sadtiger said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349371) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349299) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349293) said:
@tilllindemann said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349291) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349286) said:
@telltails said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349283) said:
@avocadoontoast said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349251) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349247) said:
@telltails said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349222) said:
@tony-soprano said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349217) said:
@telltails said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349202) said:
The sack Madge campaign comes largely from fans who have no accountabilty for the 600k it would cost to do it, with no guarantee that in the short term any replacement could provide a quick fix to a problem that has taken years to create. I would hope those in control would be far more measured in decision making around this than reacting to emotional fans who have all the solutions- but in truth don't.

It came from the board embarrassed about results.

And has gained traction by a percentage of a vocal fan base understandably sick of losing.

And that traction is justified. I accept losses but wanted improvement in defence, attack, player's skills, discipline and composure. In short, confirmation we are on an upward trajectory. That has not happened. You worry about the cost to the business of acting. I worry about the cost to the business of not acting.

The pick and stick mentality works if there's evidence of some improvement, but in every measurable metric we've gone backwards and continue to do so.

This rebuild is a club rebuild. You are basing every thing on the performance of team that next to no-one rates. It is established that the club can not attract the players we need to be successful in our FG side which means building from the bottom up to get to that point. There is not one contracted player in that first grade side that I can identify that is worth sacking another coach for - the cost financially and the perception that we can never see any thing through or get it right. All that will do is set the next coach up for failure too.

Why have we gone backwards when we’ve supposedly gotten rid of much of the dead wood and replaced them with Madge’s signings? Do you think our roster is stronger or weaker than 2018, when we finished 9th.

Because many of Madge's signings are kids still finding their way. Give Simpkin time, give Simpkins time, give Laurie time, give Uto time. Mbye and Packer are still hogging a big chunk of the salary cap. 2022 was always going to be the year we get to splurge.

The young guys are not the reason we're second last. In fact it's the only reason we're competitive in some games.

When we can spend Packer, Mbye and BJ's money on some non-plodders to play with our promising youth, we'll be in the box seat.

Can you guarantee that we won’t replace the above mentioned plodders with another two plodders?

Moral of the story?

I can't guarantee it, but our recruiting has definitely got smarter post Cleary. In the past we would have signed James Roberts for 4 years at 700k a season.
 
@magpies1963 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349364) said:
@twentyforty said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1348266) said:
When the legendary coach of the green bay packers, Vince Lombardi said winning isn’t everything, he’d probably never even heard of a group of people commonly referred to as Wests Tigers supporters.
What has happened since last year? I remember we unanimously agreed that successes in 2021 would not be limited to the figures on the scoreboard?
Madge is the second coach in our short history to take a long term view of installing long term success, in exchange for some short term pain. To be an overnight success takes a long time and I repeat, if we can keep Madge and the football admin long enough and continue to build on each small success, they will get us to a GF.

Has Madge ever said this is the plan going forward?
ie dont expect o'nite success or.... its gonna take 2 or 3 or 4 years before we expect something BIG to happen? :slightly_smiling_face:


I can’t locate the interview but certain he eluded to a time frame during a discussion in the later part of the 2020 season. Saying something like..it might take another season until it bares fruit, or words to that effect.
This is something I don’t understand? Why don’t the CEO and the coach show the senior players what leadership is, by laying out well thought out constructive goals? Who cares if it turns up the competitor’s intensity a notch, that will be offset by the sweeping popularity which accompanies such boldness. We need the leaders in the club to go public on the direction they are taking. It was an old strategy of Mohamed Ali. It shifts competitor focus in a positive way for WT.
All the clubs are afraid to declare their intentions with goals and progressive time frames because of fear. Fear of a word.
Accountability. What they don’t understand is that there is no failure with a strong enough desire, and you can’t have a strong enough desire without declaring your intentions.
All we ever hear from coaches is.. “we’re taking it week by week. “ “We don’t want to get ahead of ourselves.”
Gosh, if you don’t know where you’re going you’ll get overtaken by those who do.
 
@twentyforty said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349470) said:
@magpies1963 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349364) said:
@twentyforty said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1348266) said:
When the legendary coach of the green bay packers, Vince Lombardi said winning isn’t everything, he’d probably never even heard of a group of people commonly referred to as Wests Tigers supporters.
What has happened since last year? I remember we unanimously agreed that successes in 2021 would not be limited to the figures on the scoreboard?
Madge is the second coach in our short history to take a long term view of installing long term success, in exchange for some short term pain. To be an overnight success takes a long time and I repeat, if we can keep Madge and the football admin long enough and continue to build on each small success, they will get us to a GF.

Has Madge ever said this is the plan going forward?
ie dont expect o'nite success or.... its gonna take 2 or 3 or 4 years before we expect something BIG to happen? :slightly_smiling_face:


I can’t locate the interview but certain he eluded to a time frame during a discussion in the later part of the 2020 season. Saying something like..it might take another season until it bares fruit, or words to that effect.
This is something I don’t understand? Why don’t the CEO and the coach show the senior players what leadership is, by laying out well thought out constructive goals? Who cares if it turns up the competitor’s intensity a notch, that will be offset by the sweeping popularity which accompanies such boldness. We need the leaders in the club to go public on the direction they are taking. It was an old strategy of Mohamed Ali. It shifts competitor focus in a positive way for WT.
All the clubs are afraid to declare their intentions with goals and progressive time frames because of fear. Fear of a word.
Accountability. What they don’t understand is that there is no failure with a strong enough desire, and you can’t have a strong enough desire without declaring your intentions.
All we ever hear from coaches is.. “we’re taking it week by week. “ “We don’t want to get ahead of ourselves.”
Gosh, if you don’t know where you’re going you’ll get overtaken by those who do.

But we don’t know this type of thing isn’t already happening?
 
@tigerwest said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349477) said:
@twentyforty said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349470) said:
@magpies1963 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349364) said:
@twentyforty said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1348266) said:
When the legendary coach of the green bay packers, Vince Lombardi said winning isn’t everything, he’d probably never even heard of a group of people commonly referred to as Wests Tigers supporters.
What has happened since last year? I remember we unanimously agreed that successes in 2021 would not be limited to the figures on the scoreboard?
Madge is the second coach in our short history to take a long term view of installing long term success, in exchange for some short term pain. To be an overnight success takes a long time and I repeat, if we can keep Madge and the football admin long enough and continue to build on each small success, they will get us to a GF.

Has Madge ever said this is the plan going forward?
ie dont expect o'nite success or.... its gonna take 2 or 3 or 4 years before we expect something BIG to happen? :slightly_smiling_face:


I can’t locate the interview but certain he eluded to a time frame during a discussion in the later part of the 2020 season. Saying something like..it might take another season until it bares fruit, or words to that effect.
This is something I don’t understand? Why don’t the CEO and the coach show the senior players what leadership is, by laying out well thought out constructive goals? Who cares if it turns up the competitor’s intensity a notch, that will be offset by the sweeping popularity which accompanies such boldness. We need the leaders in the club to go public on the direction they are taking. It was an old strategy of Mohamed Ali. It shifts competitor focus in a positive way for WT.
All the clubs are afraid to declare their intentions with goals and progressive time frames because of fear. Fear of a word.
Accountability. What they don’t understand is that there is no failure with a strong enough desire, and you can’t have a strong enough desire without declaring your intentions.
All we ever hear from coaches is.. “we’re taking it week by week. “ “We don’t want to get ahead of ourselves.”
Gosh, if you don’t know where you’re going you’ll get overtaken by those who do.

But we don’t know this type of thing isn’t already happening?

Do we?
 
Senior players binding together to turn form around
Michael Blok
Timestamp
Wed 28 Apr 2021, 03:21 PM

Alex Twal and David Nofoaluma say the club's on-field start to the season is disappointing but the squad are confident of turning their form around this weekend.

Although far from ideal with their recent run of results, Twal said he and his teammates can’t fault the club's coaching and placed the onus back on the players to perform.

“It’s been disappointing to hear what has been said this week because Madge has been really good,” Twal said.

“It’s on us as players to go out there and do our job when we pull on the jersey each week because it’s a privilege for us to pull on the Wests Tigers jersey.

“We’re the players who have been going out there and we’re the players who are in control of the result and we haven’t been playing well enough.”

Twal said the players haven’t played to their potential so far this season and is expecting rapid improvement this week.

“The boys are trying hard but we need to put in 80-minute performances every week. We haven’t been doing that for the first two months,” he said.

“We’ve been good in patches and we’ve shown plenty of potential, but we need to be consistent.”

Nofoaluma echoed his teammate’s remarks, claiming the entire playing group and coaching staff need to rise together.

“I don‘t think it’s fair that Maguire has been blamed because we’re all in this together and Madge is our coach,” Nofoaluma said.

“We’re the players who have been out there on the field and playing. It’s hard to blame one person.

“He’s been successful where he’s been in the past… I personally think he’s a good coach.

"Within this club, we’re not worried about any outside noise and we’ve just got to focus on ourselves.”

“We need to find answers,” Nofoaluma said.

“The way we’re going to get through this is by sticking together.

“We were lost for words last week and we need to be better this week. There are some things that need to be worked on.”
 
@twentyforty said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349497) said:
@tigerwest said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349477) said:
@twentyforty said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349470) said:
@magpies1963 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349364) said:
@twentyforty said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1348266) said:
When the legendary coach of the green bay packers, Vince Lombardi said winning isn’t everything, he’d probably never even heard of a group of people commonly referred to as Wests Tigers supporters.
What has happened since last year? I remember we unanimously agreed that successes in 2021 would not be limited to the figures on the scoreboard?
Madge is the second coach in our short history to take a long term view of installing long term success, in exchange for some short term pain. To be an overnight success takes a long time and I repeat, if we can keep Madge and the football admin long enough and continue to build on each small success, they will get us to a GF.

Has Madge ever said this is the plan going forward?
ie dont expect o'nite success or.... its gonna take 2 or 3 or 4 years before we expect something BIG to happen? :slightly_smiling_face:


I can’t locate the interview but certain he eluded to a time frame during a discussion in the later part of the 2020 season. Saying something like..it might take another season until it bares fruit, or words to that effect.
This is something I don’t understand? Why don’t the CEO and the coach show the senior players what leadership is, by laying out well thought out constructive goals? Who cares if it turns up the competitor’s intensity a notch, that will be offset by the sweeping popularity which accompanies such boldness. We need the leaders in the club to go public on the direction they are taking. It was an old strategy of Mohamed Ali. It shifts competitor focus in a positive way for WT.
All the clubs are afraid to declare their intentions with goals and progressive time frames because of fear. Fear of a word.
Accountability. What they don’t understand is that there is no failure with a strong enough desire, and you can’t have a strong enough desire without declaring your intentions.
All we ever hear from coaches is.. “we’re taking it week by week. “ “We don’t want to get ahead of ourselves.”
Gosh, if you don’t know where you’re going you’ll get overtaken by those who do.

But we don’t know this type of thing isn’t already happening?

Do we?

If you know, that’s great, then let us all know, otherwise it’s just speculation?
 
@tony-soprano said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349535) said:
360 also mention Madge continually looking for more $$ from the board on performance but gets knocked back

Not sure what you mean, “on performance”? Is it for himself, the team or something else?
 
1170 SEN rasio interview with our Coach Madge.


![73ce7b83-055d-4dcf-a03f-47bccff99786-image.png](/assets/uploads/files/1619592482373-73ce7b83-055d-4dcf-a03f-47bccff99786-image.png)

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9yc3Mud2hvb3Noa2FhLmNvbS9yc3MvcG9kY2FzdC9pZC8xMzMxNw/episode/Y2ZjNDAwMWYtYjcxNi00OTc3LWEyYjAtYzViN2Q5Mjc4M2Mx?ep=14
 
@tiger_fanatic3 said in [Madge Maguire \- Mega Thread](/post/1349543) said:
Senior players binding together to turn form around
Michael Blok
Timestamp
Wed 28 Apr 2021, 03:21 PM

Alex Twal and David Nofoaluma say the club's on-field start to the season is disappointing but the squad are confident of turning their form around this weekend.

Although far from ideal with their recent run of results, Twal said he and his teammates can’t fault the club's coaching and placed the onus back on the players to perform.

“It’s been disappointing to hear what has been said this week because Madge has been really good,” Twal said.

“It’s on us as players to go out there and do our job when we pull on the jersey each week because it’s a privilege for us to pull on the Wests Tigers jersey.

“We’re the players who have been going out there and we’re the players who are in control of the result and we haven’t been playing well enough.”

Twal said the players haven’t played to their potential so far this season and is expecting rapid improvement this week.

“The boys are trying hard but we need to put in 80-minute performances every week. We haven’t been doing that for the first two months,” he said.

“We’ve been good in patches and we’ve shown plenty of potential, but we need to be consistent.”

Nofoaluma echoed his teammate’s remarks, claiming the entire playing group and coaching staff need to rise together.

“I don‘t think it’s fair that Maguire has been blamed because we’re all in this together and Madge is our coach,” Nofoaluma said.

“We’re the players who have been out there on the field and playing. It’s hard to blame one person.

“He’s been successful where he’s been in the past… I personally think he’s a good coach.

"Within this club, we’re not worried about any outside noise and we’ve just got to focus on ourselves.”

“We need to find answers,” Nofoaluma said.

“The way we’re going to get through this is by sticking together.

“We were lost for words last week and we need to be better this week. There are some things that need to be worked on.”

Nuffoaluza needs a gag order
 
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