Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[twentyforty]

At least when we had Sheens we had an identity. We were the team that would attack attack attack. It didn't always work, but we were fun to watch. That would work wonders in this current comp. Under Madge we have just looked... sad. No other way to put it. Cleary had us tough and hardened. What has Madge done?

As much as I hate the way Crawley bashes us, the other week he made a good point on NRL 360. He said that under Ivan Cleary, he saw the Tigers improving. He has not seen that with Madge. When you look at the personnel available to Cleary, I can't see much difference in quality to what Madge has had. To me it is obvious, the coach has the greatest effect on how a team performs.

The coach trains them, plans their development and their game strategy so he is completely responsible for the player's performance.

Not necessarily,if the group are young and not yet adapted to the NRL system that they are learning to play and cant quite ADAPT to it,then thats on themselves to better themselves to become NRL standard players....the coach can,structure,gameplan or scheme all he likes,if the players arent able to perform at that level then mistakes will be made and games will be lost...

but its easier to blame the coach because its all on him if some of the squad arent up to standard and the depth is just as bad apparently.....

Do you find it easier to blame the coach?

No I dont ...I admire the coach for trying to fix the culture and develope young juniors so our future will be brighter than the last 10 years...but some want him gone because the results dont suit them....

""to taste the sweet we must face the pain ""

Genuine question TT, how is the culture better now than when he arrived? If anything I think it’s worse.

Well, for a start Avo, we have more stability. We’re adopting a more intelligent approach. If it is agreed by the board and the incoming coach that they implement a 5 year plan to solve problems created by past knee jerk decisions, then follow a more disciplined approach with roster/cap management, then the coach needs to be given the time.
Sure, monitor and manage the progress, but to hire someone to do a 5 year job, for 3 years then sack him after 2 years doesn’t seem logical to me? Unless I’m missing something?

 

[avocadoontoast]

At least when we had Sheens we had an identity. We were the team that would attack attack attack. It didn't always work, but we were fun to watch. That would work wonders in this current comp. Under Madge we have just looked... sad. No other way to put it. Cleary had us tough and hardened. What has Madge done?

As much as I hate the way Crawley bashes us, the other week he made a good point on NRL 360. He said that under Ivan Cleary, he saw the Tigers improving. He has not seen that with Madge. When you look at the personnel available to Cleary, I can't see much difference in quality to what Madge has had. To me it is obvious, the coach has the greatest effect on how a team performs.

The coach trains them, plans their development and their game strategy so he is completely responsible for the player's performance.

Not necessarily,if the group are young and not yet adapted to the NRL system that they are learning to play and cant quite ADAPT to it,then thats on themselves to better themselves to become NRL standard players....the coach can,structure,gameplan or scheme all he likes,if the players arent able to perform at that level then mistakes will be made and games will be lost...

but its easier to blame the coach because its all on him if some of the squad arent up to standard and the depth is just as bad apparently.....

Do you find it easier to blame the coach?

No I dont ...I admire the coach for trying to fix the culture and develope young juniors so our future will be brighter than the last 10 years...but some want him gone because the results dont suit them....

""to taste the sweet we must face the pain ""

Genuine question TT, how is the culture better now than when he arrived? If anything I think it’s worse.

Avo,the culture of this club has been pretty poor from the time we won the comp in 2005...by that I mean that it went to a lot of players heads that were stalwarts of the club,namely Benji and Robbie...why I say that ,both contributed greatly to the club,however,the boards and others involved with the club put them on a pedestal and they were given free reign to do and say as they like without reprisal...
Also,Tim Sheens who had done well to win the comp was later sacked and court action was taken,Benji left for union and came back,Robbie left and came back,CEOS came and went,jobs for the boys,Cleary was hailed as the saviour,spent a fortune on players and left in the middle of a contract to go back to where he could coach his son instead of going on with the job he planned for us,JT sacked,Potter cant coach according to RF then not resigned etc...
I could go on but we would be here all day,however,Madge isnt getting the results we are wanting atm,but he is working with a very young NRL immature squad albeit with some senior players that know NRL systems...
Our cap is finally being sorted,the club is doing well financially,we have great youth on the way up,the COE is coming and our junior pathways are getting back to where we once were...
Madge doesnt suit everyone,I will support him as our coach because he is STILL the coach and knows a hell of a lot more than I could imagine to know BUT in having said that the club and team will be even better next year as things fall into place,if we dont improve from our position this year and we keep on the same path as this year,yes then we ask the question about Madges ability to coach...
Madge hasnt the quality of players such as Souths,Melb,Penrith or Roosters so how can he be judged on the same level as those coaches when he is way behind with his roster...
Avo,many dont like Madge,but if we are REALLY HONEST,this club and team has been a shambles for the last 10 years..at least give him credit for trying to improve how things should be done in a passionate,committed and professional manner...we all have faults,including Madge,but the clubs faults DONT all lie with Madge...
sorry about the long post reply Avo....

I agree with you that the club has been crap forever, but I don’t think he’s improved the culture at all. Our soft underbelly that was briefly addressed by Cleary has regressed to the worst it’s ever been. I think Madge has taken a very poor culture and made it worse.

 

[TrueTiger]

At least when we had Sheens we had an identity. We were the team that would attack attack attack. It didn't always work, but we were fun to watch. That would work wonders in this current comp. Under Madge we have just looked... sad. No other way to put it. Cleary had us tough and hardened. What has Madge done?

As much as I hate the way Crawley bashes us, the other week he made a good point on NRL 360. He said that under Ivan Cleary, he saw the Tigers improving. He has not seen that with Madge. When you look at the personnel available to Cleary, I can't see much difference in quality to what Madge has had. To me it is obvious, the coach has the greatest effect on how a team performs.

The coach trains them, plans their development and their game strategy so he is completely responsible for the player's performance.

Not necessarily,if the group are young and not yet adapted to the NRL system that they are learning to play and cant quite ADAPT to it,then thats on themselves to better themselves to become NRL standard players....the coach can,structure,gameplan or scheme all he likes,if the players arent able to perform at that level then mistakes will be made and games will be lost...

but its easier to blame the coach because its all on him if some of the squad arent up to standard and the depth is just as bad apparently.....

Do you find it easier to blame the coach?

No I dont ...I admire the coach for trying to fix the culture and develope young juniors so our future will be brighter than the last 10 years...but some want him gone because the results dont suit them....

""to taste the sweet we must face the pain ""

Genuine question TT, how is the culture better now than when he arrived? If anything I think it’s worse.

Avo,the culture of this club has been pretty poor from the time we won the comp in 2005...by that I mean that it went to a lot of players heads that were stalwarts of the club,namely Benji and Robbie...why I say that ,both contributed greatly to the club,however,the boards and others involved with the club put them on a pedestal and they were given free reign to do and say as they like without reprisal...
Also,Tim Sheens who had done well to win the comp was later sacked and court action was taken,Benji left for union and came back,Robbie left and came back,CEOS came and went,jobs for the boys,Cleary was hailed as the saviour,spent a fortune on players and left in the middle of a contract to go back to where he could coach his son instead of going on with the job he planned for us,JT sacked,Potter cant coach according to RF then not resigned etc...
I could go on but we would be here all day,however,Madge isnt getting the results we are wanting atm,but he is working with a very young NRL immature squad albeit with some senior players that know NRL systems...
Our cap is finally being sorted,the club is doing well financially,we have great youth on the way up,the COE is coming and our junior pathways are getting back to where we once were...
Madge doesnt suit everyone,I will support him as our coach because he is STILL the coach and knows a hell of a lot more than I could imagine to know BUT in having said that the club and team will be even better next year as things fall into place,if we dont improve from our position this year and we keep on the same path as this year,yes then we ask the question about Madges ability to coach...
Madge hasnt the quality of players such as Souths,Melb,Penrith or Roosters so how can he be judged on the same level as those coaches when he is way behind with his roster...
Avo,many dont like Madge,but if we are REALLY HONEST,this club and team has been a shambles for the last 10 years..at least give him credit for trying to improve how things should be done in a passionate,committed and professional manner...we all have faults,including Madge,but the clubs faults DONT all lie with Madge...
sorry about the long post reply Avo....

I agree with you that the club has been crap forever, but I don’t think he’s improved the culture at all. Our soft underbelly that was briefly addressed by Cleary has regressed to the worst it’s ever been. I think Madge has taken a very poor culture and made it worse.

Respect your opinion Avo as your entitled to it....I see things differently and I am willing to give Madge and the board until his tenure is up before I make a judgment on a person doing a job that I have no clear knowledge or experience in...also Cleary didnt have so many young inexperienced youth to develope...

 

[avocadoontoast]

At least when we had Sheens we had an identity. We were the team that would attack attack attack. It didn't always work, but we were fun to watch. That would work wonders in this current comp. Under Madge we have just looked... sad. No other way to put it. Cleary had us tough and hardened. What has Madge done?

As much as I hate the way Crawley bashes us, the other week he made a good point on NRL 360. He said that under Ivan Cleary, he saw the Tigers improving. He has not seen that with Madge. When you look at the personnel available to Cleary, I can't see much difference in quality to what Madge has had. To me it is obvious, the coach has the greatest effect on how a team performs.

The coach trains them, plans their development and their game strategy so he is completely responsible for the player's performance.

Not necessarily,if the group are young and not yet adapted to the NRL system that they are learning to play and cant quite ADAPT to it,then thats on themselves to better themselves to become NRL standard players....the coach can,structure,gameplan or scheme all he likes,if the players arent able to perform at that level then mistakes will be made and games will be lost...

but its easier to blame the coach because its all on him if some of the squad arent up to standard and the depth is just as bad apparently.....

Do you find it easier to blame the coach?

No I dont ...I admire the coach for trying to fix the culture and develope young juniors so our future will be brighter than the last 10 years...but some want him gone because the results dont suit them....

""to taste the sweet we must face the pain ""

Genuine question TT, how is the culture better now than when he arrived? If anything I think it’s worse.


Well, for a start Avo, we have more stability. We’re adopting a more intelligent approach. If it is agreed by the board and the incoming coach that they implement a 5 year plan to solve problems created by past knee jerk decisions, then follow a more disciplined approach with roster/cap management, then the coach needs to be given the time.
Sure, monitor and manage the progress, but to hire someone to do a 5 year job, for 3 years then sack him after 2 years doesn’t seem logical to me? Unless I’m missing something?

Stability is pointless if you’re regressing during that time. We’re at the point now where the longer he stays the more damage he’ll do. The team is one of the most poorly coached I’ve ever seen (he has no idea) and getting worse. There is no accountability to senior players and he’s a deterrent to signings. Has a team coming thirteenth with massive cap space ever gone into the next season without signing any NRL players? What a joke. He’s the worst coach we’ve ever had, can’t wait for him to be gone. Absolutely hopeless.

 

[avocadoontoast]

At least when we had Sheens we had an identity. We were the team that would attack attack attack. It didn't always work, but we were fun to watch. That would work wonders in this current comp. Under Madge we have just looked... sad. No other way to put it. Cleary had us tough and hardened. What has Madge done?

As much as I hate the way Crawley bashes us, the other week he made a good point on NRL 360. He said that under Ivan Cleary, he saw the Tigers improving. He has not seen that with Madge. When you look at the personnel available to Cleary, I can't see much difference in quality to what Madge has had. To me it is obvious, the coach has the greatest effect on how a team performs.

The coach trains them, plans their development and their game strategy so he is completely responsible for the player's performance.

Not necessarily,if the group are young and not yet adapted to the NRL system that they are learning to play and cant quite ADAPT to it,then thats on themselves to better themselves to become NRL standard players....the coach can,structure,gameplan or scheme all he likes,if the players arent able to perform at that level then mistakes will be made and games will be lost...

but its easier to blame the coach because its all on him if some of the squad arent up to standard and the depth is just as bad apparently.....

Do you find it easier to blame the coach?

No I dont ...I admire the coach for trying to fix the culture and develope young juniors so our future will be brighter than the last 10 years...but some want him gone because the results dont suit them....

""to taste the sweet we must face the pain ""

Genuine question TT, how is the culture better now than when he arrived? If anything I think it’s worse.

Avo,the culture of this club has been pretty poor from the time we won the comp in 2005...by that I mean that it went to a lot of players heads that were stalwarts of the club,namely Benji and Robbie...why I say that ,both contributed greatly to the club,however,the boards and others involved with the club put them on a pedestal and they were given free reign to do and say as they like without reprisal...
Also,Tim Sheens who had done well to win the comp was later sacked and court action was taken,Benji left for union and came back,Robbie left and came back,CEOS came and went,jobs for the boys,Cleary was hailed as the saviour,spent a fortune on players and left in the middle of a contract to go back to where he could coach his son instead of going on with the job he planned for us,JT sacked,Potter cant coach according to RF then not resigned etc...
I could go on but we would be here all day,however,Madge isnt getting the results we are wanting atm,but he is working with a very young NRL immature squad albeit with some senior players that know NRL systems...
Our cap is finally being sorted,the club is doing well financially,we have great youth on the way up,the COE is coming and our junior pathways are getting back to where we once were...
Madge doesnt suit everyone,I will support him as our coach because he is STILL the coach and knows a hell of a lot more than I could imagine to know BUT in having said that the club and team will be even better next year as things fall into place,if we dont improve from our position this year and we keep on the same path as this year,yes then we ask the question about Madges ability to coach...
Madge hasnt the quality of players such as Souths,Melb,Penrith or Roosters so how can he be judged on the same level as those coaches when he is way behind with his roster...
Avo,many dont like Madge,but if we are REALLY HONEST,this club and team has been a shambles for the last 10 years..at least give him credit for trying to improve how things should be done in a passionate,committed and professional manner...we all have faults,including Madge,but the clubs faults DONT all lie with Madge...
sorry about the long post reply Avo....

I agree with you that the club has been crap forever, but I don’t think he’s improved the culture at all. Our soft underbelly that was briefly addressed by Cleary has regressed to the worst it’s ever been. I think Madge has taken a very poor culture and made it worse.

Respect your opinion Avo as your entitled to it....I see things differently and I am willing to give Madge and the board until his tenure is up before I make a judgment on a person doing a job that I have no clear knowledge or experience in...also Cleary didnt have so many young inexperienced youth to develope...

The board should be turfed too, along with the CEO. Absolute amateur hour.

 

[twentyforty]

At least when we had Sheens we had an identity. We were the team that would attack attack attack. It didn't always work, but we were fun to watch. That would work wonders in this current comp. Under Madge we have just looked... sad. No other way to put it. Cleary had us tough and hardened. What has Madge done?

As much as I hate the way Crawley bashes us, the other week he made a good point on NRL 360. He said that under Ivan Cleary, he saw the Tigers improving. He has not seen that with Madge. When you look at the personnel available to Cleary, I can't see much difference in quality to what Madge has had. To me it is obvious, the coach has the greatest effect on how a team performs.

The coach trains them, plans their development and their game strategy so he is completely responsible for the player's performance.

Not necessarily,if the group are young and not yet adapted to the NRL system that they are learning to play and cant quite ADAPT to it,then thats on themselves to better themselves to become NRL standard players....the coach can,structure,gameplan or scheme all he likes,if the players arent able to perform at that level then mistakes will be made and games will be lost...

but its easier to blame the coach because its all on him if some of the squad arent up to standard and the depth is just as bad apparently.....

Do you find it easier to blame the coach?

No I dont ...I admire the coach for trying to fix the culture and develope young juniors so our future will be brighter than the last 10 years...but some want him gone because the results dont suit them....

""to taste the sweet we must face the pain ""

Genuine question TT, how is the culture better now than when he arrived? If anything I think it’s worse.

Avo,the culture of this club has been pretty poor from the time we won the comp in 2005...by that I mean that it went to a lot of players heads that were stalwarts of the club,namely Benji and Robbie...why I say that ,both contributed greatly to the club,however,the boards and others involved with the club put them on a pedestal and they were given free reign to do and say as they like without reprisal...
Also,Tim Sheens who had done well to win the comp was later sacked and court action was taken,Benji left for union and came back,Robbie left and came back,CEOS came and went,jobs for the boys,Cleary was hailed as the saviour,spent a fortune on players and left in the middle of a contract to go back to where he could coach his son instead of going on with the job he planned for us,JT sacked,Potter cant coach according to RF then not resigned etc...
I could go on but we would be here all day,however,Madge isnt getting the results we are wanting atm,but he is working with a very young NRL immature squad albeit with some senior players that know NRL systems...
Our cap is finally being sorted,the club is doing well financially,we have great youth on the way up,the COE is coming and our junior pathways are getting back to where we once were...
Madge doesnt suit everyone,I will support him as our coach because he is STILL the coach and knows a hell of a lot more than I could imagine to know BUT in having said that the club and team will be even better next year as things fall into place,if we dont improve from our position this year and we keep on the same path as this year,yes then we ask the question about Madges ability to coach...
Madge hasnt the quality of players such as Souths,Melb,Penrith or Roosters so how can he be judged on the same level as those coaches when he is way behind with his roster...
Avo,many dont like Madge,but if we are REALLY HONEST,this club and team has been a shambles for the last 10 years..at least give him credit for trying to improve how things should be done in a passionate,committed and professional manner...we all have faults,including Madge,but the clubs faults DONT all lie with Madge...
sorry about the long post reply Avo....

I agree with you that the club has been crap forever, but I don’t think he’s improved the culture at all. Our soft underbelly that was briefly addressed by Cleary has regressed to the worst it’s ever been. I think Madge has taken a very poor culture and made it worse.

Avo, you may be right? But I do disagree with your view on what culture is. The culture of an organisation is formed from the behaviour of individuals and the behaviour of the organisation itself. Two seperate groups of behaviours combining to create an image. To suggest that one person is responsible for the organisations culture, especially when he has only existed for 3 of the 21 years is a bit of a stretch isn’t it?

 

[avocadoontoast]

At least when we had Sheens we had an identity. We were the team that would attack attack attack. It didn't always work, but we were fun to watch. That would work wonders in this current comp. Under Madge we have just looked... sad. No other way to put it. Cleary had us tough and hardened. What has Madge done?

As much as I hate the way Crawley bashes us, the other week he made a good point on NRL 360. He said that under Ivan Cleary, he saw the Tigers improving. He has not seen that with Madge. When you look at the personnel available to Cleary, I can't see much difference in quality to what Madge has had. To me it is obvious, the coach has the greatest effect on how a team performs.

The coach trains them, plans their development and their game strategy so he is completely responsible for the player's performance.

Not necessarily,if the group are young and not yet adapted to the NRL system that they are learning to play and cant quite ADAPT to it,then thats on themselves to better themselves to become NRL standard players....the coach can,structure,gameplan or scheme all he likes,if the players arent able to perform at that level then mistakes will be made and games will be lost...

but its easier to blame the coach because its all on him if some of the squad arent up to standard and the depth is just as bad apparently.....

Do you find it easier to blame the coach?

No I dont ...I admire the coach for trying to fix the culture and develope young juniors so our future will be brighter than the last 10 years...but some want him gone because the results dont suit them....

""to taste the sweet we must face the pain ""

Genuine question TT, how is the culture better now than when he arrived? If anything I think it’s worse.

Avo,the culture of this club has been pretty poor from the time we won the comp in 2005...by that I mean that it went to a lot of players heads that were stalwarts of the club,namely Benji and Robbie...why I say that ,both contributed greatly to the club,however,the boards and others involved with the club put them on a pedestal and they were given free reign to do and say as they like without reprisal...
Also,Tim Sheens who had done well to win the comp was later sacked and court action was taken,Benji left for union and came back,Robbie left and came back,CEOS came and went,jobs for the boys,Cleary was hailed as the saviour,spent a fortune on players and left in the middle of a contract to go back to where he could coach his son instead of going on with the job he planned for us,JT sacked,Potter cant coach according to RF then not resigned etc...
I could go on but we would be here all day,however,Madge isnt getting the results we are wanting atm,but he is working with a very young NRL immature squad albeit with some senior players that know NRL systems...
Our cap is finally being sorted,the club is doing well financially,we have great youth on the way up,the COE is coming and our junior pathways are getting back to where we once were...
Madge doesnt suit everyone,I will support him as our coach because he is STILL the coach and knows a hell of a lot more than I could imagine to know BUT in having said that the club and team will be even better next year as things fall into place,if we dont improve from our position this year and we keep on the same path as this year,yes then we ask the question about Madges ability to coach...
Madge hasnt the quality of players such as Souths,Melb,Penrith or Roosters so how can he be judged on the same level as those coaches when he is way behind with his roster...
Avo,many dont like Madge,but if we are REALLY HONEST,this club and team has been a shambles for the last 10 years..at least give him credit for trying to improve how things should be done in a passionate,committed and professional manner...we all have faults,including Madge,but the clubs faults DONT all lie with Madge...
sorry about the long post reply Avo....

I agree with you that the club has been crap forever, but I don’t think he’s improved the culture at all. Our soft underbelly that was briefly addressed by Cleary has regressed to the worst it’s ever been. I think Madge has taken a very poor culture and made it worse.

Avo, you may be right? But I do disagree with your view on what culture is. The culture of an organisation is formed from the behaviour of individuals and the behaviour of the organisation itself. Two seperate groups of behaviours combining to create an image. To suggest that one person is responsible for the organisations culture, especially when he has only existed for 3 of the 21 years is a bit of a stretch isn’t it?

He’s not solely responsible for the culture. My response was to TT who said he was trying to fix the culture. I think the culture is a by-product of Madge, Pascoe and the board all together. They’re all to blame.

Im happy to judge Madge on his coaching ability alone, which is non existent.

 

[TrueTiger]

At least when we had Sheens we had an identity. We were the team that would attack attack attack. It didn't always work, but we were fun to watch. That would work wonders in this current comp. Under Madge we have just looked... sad. No other way to put it. Cleary had us tough and hardened. What has Madge done?

As much as I hate the way Crawley bashes us, the other week he made a good point on NRL 360. He said that under Ivan Cleary, he saw the Tigers improving. He has not seen that with Madge. When you look at the personnel available to Cleary, I can't see much difference in quality to what Madge has had. To me it is obvious, the coach has the greatest effect on how a team performs.

The coach trains them, plans their development and their game strategy so he is completely responsible for the player's performance.

Not necessarily,if the group are young and not yet adapted to the NRL system that they are learning to play and cant quite ADAPT to it,then thats on themselves to better themselves to become NRL standard players....the coach can,structure,gameplan or scheme all he likes,if the players arent able to perform at that level then mistakes will be made and games will be lost...

but its easier to blame the coach because its all on him if some of the squad arent up to standard and the depth is just as bad apparently.....

Do you find it easier to blame the coach?

No I dont ...I admire the coach for trying to fix the culture and develope young juniors so our future will be brighter than the last 10 years...but some want him gone because the results dont suit them....

""to taste the sweet we must face the pain ""

Genuine question TT, how is the culture better now than when he arrived? If anything I think it’s worse.

Avo,the culture of this club has been pretty poor from the time we won the comp in 2005...by that I mean that it went to a lot of players heads that were stalwarts of the club,namely Benji and Robbie...why I say that ,both contributed greatly to the club,however,the boards and others involved with the club put them on a pedestal and they were given free reign to do and say as they like without reprisal...
Also,Tim Sheens who had done well to win the comp was later sacked and court action was taken,Benji left for union and came back,Robbie left and came back,CEOS came and went,jobs for the boys,Cleary was hailed as the saviour,spent a fortune on players and left in the middle of a contract to go back to where he could coach his son instead of going on with the job he planned for us,JT sacked,Potter cant coach according to RF then not resigned etc...
I could go on but we would be here all day,however,Madge isnt getting the results we are wanting atm,but he is working with a very young NRL immature squad albeit with some senior players that know NRL systems...
Our cap is finally being sorted,the club is doing well financially,we have great youth on the way up,the COE is coming and our junior pathways are getting back to where we once were...
Madge doesnt suit everyone,I will support him as our coach because he is STILL the coach and knows a hell of a lot more than I could imagine to know BUT in having said that the club and team will be even better next year as things fall into place,if we dont improve from our position this year and we keep on the same path as this year,yes then we ask the question about Madges ability to coach...
Madge hasnt the quality of players such as Souths,Melb,Penrith or Roosters so how can he be judged on the same level as those coaches when he is way behind with his roster...
Avo,many dont like Madge,but if we are REALLY HONEST,this club and team has been a shambles for the last 10 years..at least give him credit for trying to improve how things should be done in a passionate,committed and professional manner...we all have faults,including Madge,but the clubs faults DONT all lie with Madge...
sorry about the long post reply Avo....

I agree with you that the club has been crap forever, but I don’t think he’s improved the culture at all. Our soft underbelly that was briefly addressed by Cleary has regressed to the worst it’s ever been. I think Madge has taken a very poor culture and made it worse.

Avo, you may be right? But I do disagree with your view on what culture is. The culture of an organisation is formed from the behaviour of individuals and the behaviour of the organisation itself. Two seperate groups of behaviours combining to create an image. To suggest that one person is responsible for the organisations culture, especially when he has only existed for 3 of the 21 years is a bit of a stretch isn’t it?

He’s not solely responsible for the culture. My response was to TT who said he was trying to fix the culture. I think the culture is a by-product of Madge, Pascoe and the board all together. They’re all to blame.

Im happy to judge Madge on his coaching ability alone, which is non existent.

Avo,I know how anti Madge you are because of our results and the way the team is performing,and thats fair enough,however if you were in Madges shoes and had the mess he inherited,trying to get rid of deadwood in the squad,develop youth that have very little to no NRL experience that are learning the NRL and trying to craft a career out of the game,what would you honestly do with what he has got to make the finals considering he has had to make positional changes,injuries,fundamental errors at crucial times of games,poor leadership on field and very little depth he can rely on without ruining their confidence because of little NRL experience....??

 

[avocadoontoast]

At least when we had Sheens we had an identity. We were the team that would attack attack attack. It didn't always work, but we were fun to watch. That would work wonders in this current comp. Under Madge we have just looked... sad. No other way to put it. Cleary had us tough and hardened. What has Madge done?

As much as I hate the way Crawley bashes us, the other week he made a good point on NRL 360. He said that under Ivan Cleary, he saw the Tigers improving. He has not seen that with Madge. When you look at the personnel available to Cleary, I can't see much difference in quality to what Madge has had. To me it is obvious, the coach has the greatest effect on how a team performs.

The coach trains them, plans their development and their game strategy so he is completely responsible for the player's performance.

Not necessarily,if the group are young and not yet adapted to the NRL system that they are learning to play and cant quite ADAPT to it,then thats on themselves to better themselves to become NRL standard players....the coach can,structure,gameplan or scheme all he likes,if the players arent able to perform at that level then mistakes will be made and games will be lost...

but its easier to blame the coach because its all on him if some of the squad arent up to standard and the depth is just as bad apparently.....

Do you find it easier to blame the coach?

No I dont ...I admire the coach for trying to fix the culture and develope young juniors so our future will be brighter than the last 10 years...but some want him gone because the results dont suit them....

""to taste the sweet we must face the pain ""

Genuine question TT, how is the culture better now than when he arrived? If anything I think it’s worse.

Avo,the culture of this club has been pretty poor from the time we won the comp in 2005...by that I mean that it went to a lot of players heads that were stalwarts of the club,namely Benji and Robbie...why I say that ,both contributed greatly to the club,however,the boards and others involved with the club put them on a pedestal and they were given free reign to do and say as they like without reprisal...
Also,Tim Sheens who had done well to win the comp was later sacked and court action was taken,Benji left for union and came back,Robbie left and came back,CEOS came and went,jobs for the boys,Cleary was hailed as the saviour,spent a fortune on players and left in the middle of a contract to go back to where he could coach his son instead of going on with the job he planned for us,JT sacked,Potter cant coach according to RF then not resigned etc...
I could go on but we would be here all day,however,Madge isnt getting the results we are wanting atm,but he is working with a very young NRL immature squad albeit with some senior players that know NRL systems...
Our cap is finally being sorted,the club is doing well financially,we have great youth on the way up,the COE is coming and our junior pathways are getting back to where we once were...
Madge doesnt suit everyone,I will support him as our coach because he is STILL the coach and knows a hell of a lot more than I could imagine to know BUT in having said that the club and team will be even better next year as things fall into place,if we dont improve from our position this year and we keep on the same path as this year,yes then we ask the question about Madges ability to coach...
Madge hasnt the quality of players such as Souths,Melb,Penrith or Roosters so how can he be judged on the same level as those coaches when he is way behind with his roster...
Avo,many dont like Madge,but if we are REALLY HONEST,this club and team has been a shambles for the last 10 years..at least give him credit for trying to improve how things should be done in a passionate,committed and professional manner...we all have faults,including Madge,but the clubs faults DONT all lie with Madge...
sorry about the long post reply Avo....

I agree with you that the club has been crap forever, but I don’t think he’s improved the culture at all. Our soft underbelly that was briefly addressed by Cleary has regressed to the worst it’s ever been. I think Madge has taken a very poor culture and made it worse.

Avo, you may be right? But I do disagree with your view on what culture is. The culture of an organisation is formed from the behaviour of individuals and the behaviour of the organisation itself. Two seperate groups of behaviours combining to create an image. To suggest that one person is responsible for the organisations culture, especially when he has only existed for 3 of the 21 years is a bit of a stretch isn’t it?

He’s not solely responsible for the culture. My response was to TT who said he was trying to fix the culture. I think the culture is a by-product of Madge, Pascoe and the board all together. They’re all to blame.

Im happy to judge Madge on his coaching ability alone, which is non existent.

Avo,I know how anti Madge you are because of our results and the way the team is performing,and thats fair enough,however if you were in Madges shoes and had the mess he inherited,trying to get rid of deadwood in the squad,develop youth that have very little to no NRL experience that are learning the NRL and trying to craft a career out of the game,what would you honestly do with what he has got to make the finals considering he has had to make positional changes,injuries,fundamental errors at crucial times of games,poor leadership on field and very little depth he can rely on without ruining their confidence because of little NRL experience....??

I feel all that is a complete cop out. He took a team that was 9th in his first season to a cellar dweller this year. Players have gone backwards under his direction and our performances have been unacceptable. He won at South’s with an absolutely gun roster, but with that same roster could only manage 12th in his last two seasons. His selections are baffling, his game plans non existent. He can’t adapt, he has no accountability for senior players. Players do not want to come here. He’s not the right man for the job.

 

[twentyforty]

At least when we had Sheens we had an identity. We were the team that would attack attack attack. It didn't always work, but we were fun to watch. That would work wonders in this current comp. Under Madge we have just looked... sad. No other way to put it. Cleary had us tough and hardened. What has Madge done?

As much as I hate the way Crawley bashes us, the other week he made a good point on NRL 360. He said that under Ivan Cleary, he saw the Tigers improving. He has not seen that with Madge. When you look at the personnel available to Cleary, I can't see much difference in quality to what Madge has had. To me it is obvious, the coach has the greatest effect on how a team performs.

The coach trains them, plans their development and their game strategy so he is completely responsible for the player's performance.

Not necessarily,if the group are young and not yet adapted to the NRL system that they are learning to play and cant quite ADAPT to it,then thats on themselves to better themselves to become NRL standard players....the coach can,structure,gameplan or scheme all he likes,if the players arent able to perform at that level then mistakes will be made and games will be lost...

but its easier to blame the coach because its all on him if some of the squad arent up to standard and the depth is just as bad apparently.....

Do you find it easier to blame the coach?

No I dont ...I admire the coach for trying to fix the culture and develope young juniors so our future will be brighter than the last 10 years...but some want him gone because the results dont suit them....

""to taste the sweet we must face the pain ""

Genuine question TT, how is the culture better now than when he arrived? If anything I think it’s worse.


Well, for a start Avo, we have more stability. We’re adopting a more intelligent approach. If it is agreed by the board and the incoming coach that they implement a 5 year plan to solve problems created by past knee jerk decisions, then follow a more disciplined approach with roster/cap management, then the coach needs to be given the time.
Sure, monitor and manage the progress, but to hire someone to do a 5 year job, for 3 years then sack him after 2 years doesn’t seem logical to me? Unless I’m missing something?

Stability is pointless if you’re regressing during that time. We’re at the point now where the longer he stays the more damage he’ll do. The team is one of the most poorly coached I’ve ever seen (he has no idea) and getting worse. There is no accountability to senior players and he’s a deterrent to signings. Has a team coming thirteenth with massive cap space ever gone into the next season without signing any NRL players? What a joke. He’s the worst coach we’ve ever had, can’t wait for him to be gone. Absolutely hopeless.

How long does your next coach have change the culture of the organisation, sign nrl players, introduce block plays, reduce the cap space etc?

 

[avocadoontoast]

At least when we had Sheens we had an identity. We were the team that would attack attack attack. It didn't always work, but we were fun to watch. That would work wonders in this current comp. Under Madge we have just looked... sad. No other way to put it. Cleary had us tough and hardened. What has Madge done?

As much as I hate the way Crawley bashes us, the other week he made a good point on NRL 360. He said that under Ivan Cleary, he saw the Tigers improving. He has not seen that with Madge. When you look at the personnel available to Cleary, I can't see much difference in quality to what Madge has had. To me it is obvious, the coach has the greatest effect on how a team performs.

The coach trains them, plans their development and their game strategy so he is completely responsible for the player's performance.

Not necessarily,if the group are young and not yet adapted to the NRL system that they are learning to play and cant quite ADAPT to it,then thats on themselves to better themselves to become NRL standard players....the coach can,structure,gameplan or scheme all he likes,if the players arent able to perform at that level then mistakes will be made and games will be lost...

but its easier to blame the coach because its all on him if some of the squad arent up to standard and the depth is just as bad apparently.....

Do you find it easier to blame the coach?

No I dont ...I admire the coach for trying to fix the culture and develope young juniors so our future will be brighter than the last 10 years...but some want him gone because the results dont suit them....

""to taste the sweet we must face the pain ""

Genuine question TT, how is the culture better now than when he arrived? If anything I think it’s worse.


Well, for a start Avo, we have more stability. We’re adopting a more intelligent approach. If it is agreed by the board and the incoming coach that they implement a 5 year plan to solve problems created by past knee jerk decisions, then follow a more disciplined approach with roster/cap management, then the coach needs to be given the time.
Sure, monitor and manage the progress, but to hire someone to do a 5 year job, for 3 years then sack him after 2 years doesn’t seem logical to me? Unless I’m missing something?

Stability is pointless if you’re regressing during that time. We’re at the point now where the longer he stays the more damage he’ll do. The team is one of the most poorly coached I’ve ever seen (he has no idea) and getting worse. There is no accountability to senior players and he’s a deterrent to signings. Has a team coming thirteenth with massive cap space ever gone into the next season without signing any NRL players? What a joke. He’s the worst coach we’ve ever had, can’t wait for him to be gone. Absolutely hopeless.

How long does your next coach have change the culture of the organisation, sign nrl players, introduce block plays, reduce the cap space etc?

As long as there are signs of improvement give him time. But Maguire has made things worse. 3 years is enough.

 

[twentyforty]

At least when we had Sheens we had an identity. We were the team that would attack attack attack. It didn't always work, but we were fun to watch. That would work wonders in this current comp. Under Madge we have just looked... sad. No other way to put it. Cleary had us tough and hardened. What has Madge done?

As much as I hate the way Crawley bashes us, the other week he made a good point on NRL 360. He said that under Ivan Cleary, he saw the Tigers improving. He has not seen that with Madge. When you look at the personnel available to Cleary, I can't see much difference in quality to what Madge has had. To me it is obvious, the coach has the greatest effect on how a team performs.

The coach trains them, plans their development and their game strategy so he is completely responsible for the player's performance.

Not necessarily,if the group are young and not yet adapted to the NRL system that they are learning to play and cant quite ADAPT to it,then thats on themselves to better themselves to become NRL standard players....the coach can,structure,gameplan or scheme all he likes,if the players arent able to perform at that level then mistakes will be made and games will be lost...

but its easier to blame the coach because its all on him if some of the squad arent up to standard and the depth is just as bad apparently.....

Do you find it easier to blame the coach?

No I dont ...I admire the coach for trying to fix the culture and develope young juniors so our future will be brighter than the last 10 years...but some want him gone because the results dont suit them....

""to taste the sweet we must face the pain ""

Genuine question TT, how is the culture better now than when he arrived? If anything I think it’s worse.


Well, for a start Avo, we have more stability. We’re adopting a more intelligent approach. If it is agreed by the board and the incoming coach that they implement a 5 year plan to solve problems created by past knee jerk decisions, then follow a more disciplined approach with roster/cap management, then the coach needs to be given the time.
Sure, monitor and manage the progress, but to hire someone to do a 5 year job, for 3 years then sack him after 2 years doesn’t seem logical to me? Unless I’m missing something?

Stability is pointless if you’re regressing during that time. We’re at the point now where the longer he stays the more damage he’ll do. The team is one of the most poorly coached I’ve ever seen (he has no idea) and getting worse. There is no accountability to senior players and he’s a deterrent to signings. Has a team coming thirteenth with massive cap space ever gone into the next season without signing any NRL players? What a joke. He’s the worst coach we’ve ever had, can’t wait for him to be gone. Absolutely hopeless.

How long does your next coach have change the culture of the organisation, sign nrl players, introduce block plays, reduce the cap space etc?

As long as there are signs of improvement give him time. But Maguire has made things worse. 3 years is enough.

They only appear worse if you focus on the scoreboard. Is it possible that the young players who have been given an nrl opportunity just don’t have what it takes yet? What’s more important, getting a positive for and against or improved cap management to the point where we’re setting ourselves up for long term change, not short term results?

 

[avocadoontoast]

At least when we had Sheens we had an identity. We were the team that would attack attack attack. It didn't always work, but we were fun to watch. That would work wonders in this current comp. Under Madge we have just looked... sad. No other way to put it. Cleary had us tough and hardened. What has Madge done?

As much as I hate the way Crawley bashes us, the other week he made a good point on NRL 360. He said that under Ivan Cleary, he saw the Tigers improving. He has not seen that with Madge. When you look at the personnel available to Cleary, I can't see much difference in quality to what Madge has had. To me it is obvious, the coach has the greatest effect on how a team performs.

The coach trains them, plans their development and their game strategy so he is completely responsible for the player's performance.

Not necessarily,if the group are young and not yet adapted to the NRL system that they are learning to play and cant quite ADAPT to it,then thats on themselves to better themselves to become NRL standard players....the coach can,structure,gameplan or scheme all he likes,if the players arent able to perform at that level then mistakes will be made and games will be lost...

but its easier to blame the coach because its all on him if some of the squad arent up to standard and the depth is just as bad apparently.....

Do you find it easier to blame the coach?

No I dont ...I admire the coach for trying to fix the culture and develope young juniors so our future will be brighter than the last 10 years...but some want him gone because the results dont suit them....

""to taste the sweet we must face the pain ""

Genuine question TT, how is the culture better now than when he arrived? If anything I think it’s worse.


Well, for a start Avo, we have more stability. We’re adopting a more intelligent approach. If it is agreed by the board and the incoming coach that they implement a 5 year plan to solve problems created by past knee jerk decisions, then follow a more disciplined approach with roster/cap management, then the coach needs to be given the time.
Sure, monitor and manage the progress, but to hire someone to do a 5 year job, for 3 years then sack him after 2 years doesn’t seem logical to me? Unless I’m missing something?

Stability is pointless if you’re regressing during that time. We’re at the point now where the longer he stays the more damage he’ll do. The team is one of the most poorly coached I’ve ever seen (he has no idea) and getting worse. There is no accountability to senior players and he’s a deterrent to signings. Has a team coming thirteenth with massive cap space ever gone into the next season without signing any NRL players? What a joke. He’s the worst coach we’ve ever had, can’t wait for him to be gone. Absolutely hopeless.

How long does your next coach have change the culture of the organisation, sign nrl players, introduce block plays, reduce the cap space etc?

As long as there are signs of improvement give him time. But Maguire has made things worse. 3 years is enough.

They only appear worse if you focus on the scoreboard. Is it possible that the young players who have been given an nrl opportunity just don’t have what it takes yet? What’s more important, getting a positive for and against or improved cap management to the point where we’re setting ourselves up for long term change, not short term results?

The young players have been some of our best. He’s been unable to get the senior players firing. A huge failing by the coach. The long term change has only been adopted because we’re unable to sign anyone. When he joined he said it was absolutely not a rebuild. Now he’s blaming the roster and you guys believe it. We have signed literally no NRL players for next year and are an excellent chance for the spoon. You’re cool with that?

 

[twentyforty]

At least when we had Sheens we had an identity. We were the team that would attack attack attack. It didn't always work, but we were fun to watch. That would work wonders in this current comp. Under Madge we have just looked... sad. No other way to put it. Cleary had us tough and hardened. What has Madge done?

As much as I hate the way Crawley bashes us, the other week he made a good point on NRL 360. He said that under Ivan Cleary, he saw the Tigers improving. He has not seen that with Madge. When you look at the personnel available to Cleary, I can't see much difference in quality to what Madge has had. To me it is obvious, the coach has the greatest effect on how a team performs.

The coach trains them, plans their development and their game strategy so he is completely responsible for the player's performance.

Not necessarily,if the group are young and not yet adapted to the NRL system that they are learning to play and cant quite ADAPT to it,then thats on themselves to better themselves to become NRL standard players....the coach can,structure,gameplan or scheme all he likes,if the players arent able to perform at that level then mistakes will be made and games will be lost...

but its easier to blame the coach because its all on him if some of the squad arent up to standard and the depth is just as bad apparently.....

Do you find it easier to blame the coach?

No I dont ...I admire the coach for trying to fix the culture and develope young juniors so our future will be brighter than the last 10 years...but some want him gone because the results dont suit them....

""to taste the sweet we must face the pain ""

Genuine question TT, how is the culture better now than when he arrived? If anything I think it’s worse.


Well, for a start Avo, we have more stability. We’re adopting a more intelligent approach. If it is agreed by the board and the incoming coach that they implement a 5 year plan to solve problems created by past knee jerk decisions, then follow a more disciplined approach with roster/cap management, then the coach needs to be given the time.
Sure, monitor and manage the progress, but to hire someone to do a 5 year job, for 3 years then sack him after 2 years doesn’t seem logical to me? Unless I’m missing something?

Stability is pointless if you’re regressing during that time. We’re at the point now where the longer he stays the more damage he’ll do. The team is one of the most poorly coached I’ve ever seen (he has no idea) and getting worse. There is no accountability to senior players and he’s a deterrent to signings. Has a team coming thirteenth with massive cap space ever gone into the next season without signing any NRL players? What a joke. He’s the worst coach we’ve ever had, can’t wait for him to be gone. Absolutely hopeless.

How long does your next coach have change the culture of the organisation, sign nrl players, introduce block plays, reduce the cap space etc?

As long as there are signs of improvement give him time. But Maguire has made things worse. 3 years is enough.

They only appear worse if you focus on the scoreboard. Is it possible that the young players who have been given an nrl opportunity just don’t have what it takes yet? What’s more important, getting a positive for and against or improved cap management to the point where we’re setting ourselves up for long term change, not short term results?

?
I can’t believe I get 2 down votes on that? C”mon guys?

 

[avocadoontoast]

At least when we had Sheens we had an identity. We were the team that would attack attack attack. It didn't always work, but we were fun to watch. That would work wonders in this current comp. Under Madge we have just looked... sad. No other way to put it. Cleary had us tough and hardened. What has Madge done?

As much as I hate the way Crawley bashes us, the other week he made a good point on NRL 360. He said that under Ivan Cleary, he saw the Tigers improving. He has not seen that with Madge. When you look at the personnel available to Cleary, I can't see much difference in quality to what Madge has had. To me it is obvious, the coach has the greatest effect on how a team performs.

The coach trains them, plans their development and their game strategy so he is completely responsible for the player's performance.

Not necessarily,if the group are young and not yet adapted to the NRL system that they are learning to play and cant quite ADAPT to it,then thats on themselves to better themselves to become NRL standard players....the coach can,structure,gameplan or scheme all he likes,if the players arent able to perform at that level then mistakes will be made and games will be lost...

but its easier to blame the coach because its all on him if some of the squad arent up to standard and the depth is just as bad apparently.....

Do you find it easier to blame the coach?

No I dont ...I admire the coach for trying to fix the culture and develope young juniors so our future will be brighter than the last 10 years...but some want him gone because the results dont suit them....

""to taste the sweet we must face the pain ""

Genuine question TT, how is the culture better now than when he arrived? If anything I think it’s worse.


Well, for a start Avo, we have more stability. We’re adopting a more intelligent approach. If it is agreed by the board and the incoming coach that they implement a 5 year plan to solve problems created by past knee jerk decisions, then follow a more disciplined approach with roster/cap management, then the coach needs to be given the time.
Sure, monitor and manage the progress, but to hire someone to do a 5 year job, for 3 years then sack him after 2 years doesn’t seem logical to me? Unless I’m missing something?

Stability is pointless if you’re regressing during that time. We’re at the point now where the longer he stays the more damage he’ll do. The team is one of the most poorly coached I’ve ever seen (he has no idea) and getting worse. There is no accountability to senior players and he’s a deterrent to signings. Has a team coming thirteenth with massive cap space ever gone into the next season without signing any NRL players? What a joke. He’s the worst coach we’ve ever had, can’t wait for him to be gone. Absolutely hopeless.

How long does your next coach have change the culture of the organisation, sign nrl players, introduce block plays, reduce the cap space etc?

As long as there are signs of improvement give him time. But Maguire has made things worse. 3 years is enough.

They only appear worse if you focus on the scoreboard. Is it possible that the young players who have been given an nrl opportunity just don’t have what it takes yet? What’s more important, getting a positive for and against or improved cap management to the point where we’re setting ourselves up for long term change, not short term results?

?
I can’t believe I get 2 down votes on that? C”mon guys?

Wasn’t me, I haven’t downvoted anyone in yonks

 

[GNR4LIFE]

At least when we had Sheens we had an identity. We were the team that would attack attack attack. It didn't always work, but we were fun to watch. That would work wonders in this current comp. Under Madge we have just looked... sad. No other way to put it. Cleary had us tough and hardened. What has Madge done?

As much as I hate the way Crawley bashes us, the other week he made a good point on NRL 360. He said that under Ivan Cleary, he saw the Tigers improving. He has not seen that with Madge. When you look at the personnel available to Cleary, I can't see much difference in quality to what Madge has had. To me it is obvious, the coach has the greatest effect on how a team performs.

The coach trains them, plans their development and their game strategy so he is completely responsible for the player's performance.

Not necessarily,if the group are young and not yet adapted to the NRL system that they are learning to play and cant quite ADAPT to it,then thats on themselves to better themselves to become NRL standard players....the coach can,structure,gameplan or scheme all he likes,if the players arent able to perform at that level then mistakes will be made and games will be lost...

but its easier to blame the coach because its all on him if some of the squad arent up to standard and the depth is just as bad apparently.....

Do you find it easier to blame the coach?

No I dont ...I admire the coach for trying to fix the culture and develope young juniors so our future will be brighter than the last 10 years...but some want him gone because the results dont suit them....

""to taste the sweet we must face the pain ""

Genuine question TT, how is the culture better now than when he arrived? If anything I think it’s worse.


Well, for a start Avo, we have more stability. We’re adopting a more intelligent approach. If it is agreed by the board and the incoming coach that they implement a 5 year plan to solve problems created by past knee jerk decisions, then follow a more disciplined approach with roster/cap management, then the coach needs to be given the time.
Sure, monitor and manage the progress, but to hire someone to do a 5 year job, for 3 years then sack him after 2 years doesn’t seem logical to me? Unless I’m missing something?

Stability is pointless if you’re regressing during that time. We’re at the point now where the longer he stays the more damage he’ll do. The team is one of the most poorly coached I’ve ever seen (he has no idea) and getting worse. There is no accountability to senior players and he’s a deterrent to signings. Has a team coming thirteenth with massive cap space ever gone into the next season without signing any NRL players? What a joke. He’s the worst coach we’ve ever had, can’t wait for him to be gone. Absolutely hopeless.

How long does your next coach have change the culture of the organisation, sign nrl players, introduce block plays, reduce the cap space etc?

As long as there are signs of improvement give him time. But Maguire has made things worse. 3 years is enough.

They only appear worse if you focus on the scoreboard. Is it possible that the young players who have been given an nrl opportunity just don’t have what it takes yet? What’s more important, getting a positive for and against or improved cap management to the point where we’re setting ourselves up for long term change, not short term results?

?
I can’t believe I get 2 down votes on that? C”mon guys?

Can’t believe a grown man would care

 

[TrueTiger]

At least when we had Sheens we had an identity. We were the team that would attack attack attack. It didn't always work, but we were fun to watch. That would work wonders in this current comp. Under Madge we have just looked... sad. No other way to put it. Cleary had us tough and hardened. What has Madge done?

As much as I hate the way Crawley bashes us, the other week he made a good point on NRL 360. He said that under Ivan Cleary, he saw the Tigers improving. He has not seen that with Madge. When you look at the personnel available to Cleary, I can't see much difference in quality to what Madge has had. To me it is obvious, the coach has the greatest effect on how a team performs.

The coach trains them, plans their development and their game strategy so he is completely responsible for the player's performance.

Not necessarily,if the group are young and not yet adapted to the NRL system that they are learning to play and cant quite ADAPT to it,then thats on themselves to better themselves to become NRL standard players....the coach can,structure,gameplan or scheme all he likes,if the players arent able to perform at that level then mistakes will be made and games will be lost...

but its easier to blame the coach because its all on him if some of the squad arent up to standard and the depth is just as bad apparently.....

Do you find it easier to blame the coach?

No I dont ...I admire the coach for trying to fix the culture and develope young juniors so our future will be brighter than the last 10 years...but some want him gone because the results dont suit them....

""to taste the sweet we must face the pain ""

Genuine question TT, how is the culture better now than when he arrived? If anything I think it’s worse.


Well, for a start Avo, we have more stability. We’re adopting a more intelligent approach. If it is agreed by the board and the incoming coach that they implement a 5 year plan to solve problems created by past knee jerk decisions, then follow a more disciplined approach with roster/cap management, then the coach needs to be given the time.
Sure, monitor and manage the progress, but to hire someone to do a 5 year job, for 3 years then sack him after 2 years doesn’t seem logical to me? Unless I’m missing something?

Stability is pointless if you’re regressing during that time. We’re at the point now where the longer he stays the more damage he’ll do. The team is one of the most poorly coached I’ve ever seen (he has no idea) and getting worse. There is no accountability to senior players and he’s a deterrent to signings. Has a team coming thirteenth with massive cap space ever gone into the next season without signing any NRL players? What a joke. He’s the worst coach we’ve ever had, can’t wait for him to be gone. Absolutely hopeless.

How long does your next coach have change the culture of the organisation, sign nrl players, introduce block plays, reduce the cap space etc?

As long as there are signs of improvement give him time. But Maguire has made things worse. 3 years is enough.

They only appear worse if you focus on the scoreboard. Is it possible that the young players who have been given an nrl opportunity just don’t have what it takes yet? What’s more important, getting a positive for and against or improved cap management to the point where we’re setting ourselves up for long term change, not short term results?

?
I can’t believe I get 2 down votes on that? C”mon guys?

Can’t believe a grown man would care

He has feelings.....

 

[supercoach]

We have gone backwards since Madge arrived. He is a coach that preaches defence, yet our defence is embarrassing. Of course a lot comes down to the cattle at your disposal, but there has been zero signs of improvement in 95% of the roster. One could argue they have gone backwards.

It would appear we can not attract the upper range of players to our club. Iam sure it’s for a number of reasons and I think Madge might be a small part of the problem. His win loss ratio since winning the GF with Souths is terrible, somewhere around 30%.

Although people like Gould and others in the media have gone into bat for Madge and said you need a old head for a coach to do a rebuild, Iam not so sure. Personally I would be going after someone like Cameron Cirado….excuse the spelling. A youngish coach from a very good system. Someone a little more in tune with the 18 to 30 age group and someone who probably has some different ideas on the NRL circa 2021.

If we can’t beat the Dogs twice it’s game set and match for Madge and I really think that will not happen.

 

[Telltails]

The FG squad is not top eight - Maguire or no Maguire. They try but they lack quality players to compete. Their is not much difference between the bottom 8 sides on any given week. The game yesterday Warriors/Sharks was like a repeat of our game the week before. The real problem is 'recruitment - an ongoing problem- and not sure who is accountable for that - policy, system, or individuals.

 

[Guest]

The FG squad is not top eight - Maguire or no Maguire. They try but they lack quality players to compete. Their is not much difference between the bottom 8 sides on any given week. The game yesterday Warriors/Sharks was like a repeat of our game the week before. The real problem is 'recruitment - an ongoing problem- and not sure who is accountable for that - policy, system, or individuals.

I wouldn't care if they had the worst squad in the comp. and lost every game if they played like they are coached.
They play like they just met and the defence looks like they make it up every week.
I'd be patient with Madge if there were any signs of COACHED improvement.
There just aren't.