Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[GCfan]

Maguire has lost the sheds which means it’s even more critical he leaves in this day and age.

In the social media age, all the players from the different clubs talk to each other. Our players don’t like Madge, meaning when other players ask about him in the rare possibility we convince someone to join us, the players will tell them and potential deals could be scuppered.

He must go.

Gee..I hope the next guy fairs better with the dressing sheds...Sheens lost the sheds.. Potter lost the Sheds..Taylor never had the sheds... Voldamort burnt down the sheds.. starting to see a pattern here...new sheds..

I agree there is for sure cultural and complacency issues here thanks to being poor for so many years, but doesn't take away from the fact the playing group doesn't play for him, and he must leave imo.

I've heard some terrible things about Maguire's approaches to coaching in recent times which sways my opinion but it should be obvious to all that he has not and will never adapt to the modern game.

He's cooked. Done for. Finished.

The playing group aren’t playing as a team. It’s somebody’s else’s job to stop the try scorer improving the position as an example. It’s attitude and that’s all on the players

It's honestly conflicting as it feels quite similar to Jason Taylor's final months with us and I genuinely hope we don't completely mishandle the situation.
On one hand Madge is one of the only persons within the club that I see with any passion and motivation. Also, his vision for the club is easily perceivable. However, on the other hand there's just something terribly amiss and we look too impassive as a playing group.

It's crazy that we're even having these types of conversations again and there still appears to be little accountability from upper management.
The fact we're not in the position to consistently challenge the competition after a decade, I totally put down to them.
(I don't like saying it about our players) but the soft player mentality, poor player development, the coaches totally out of their depth, the recruitment officer's inability to lure prospective players and bad club perception is due to years of poor judgement and decision making... And a poor organisational culture.
It's a little sad as I still feel the same way I did 4 years ago, that we need to look no further at the whole structure of the club to see where all our problems arise.
For me it's them who've botched everything that is wrong with the club and it's the supporter base that bears the brunt of it.

One thing I will say is that is evident through some of his actions, is that he's clearly trying to compensate for the lack of positive leadership in the team. So the fact he's the only one currently copping it leads me to believe he is also trying to make up for poor governance leadership.

I’ve seen it number of times and not just with this footy club. Hang out a little longer until the boss is removed and we can go back to our slack ways. Well that’s not going to work this time. The Tigers are slowly but surely removing the dead wood and the bad influencers from the playing group. Madge is here to stay. The crap attitude of the players is what has to change and go.

I know for a fact that the vast majority of the playing group is off him.

So unless you think there's going to be astronomical roster turnover, he's a dead man walking because we will not succeed under him. Not to mention his coaching methods are completely outdated.

Players have a lot to answer for but I can't see him here beyond his current contract.

Key question for me is which players?
If Deouhi, Laurie, Ute, Blore, Tuilagi, Simpkins are off him well that's somethingzero but if they are still behind him (which i assume they are) then play on.

I don't know each of their thoughts on him player by player, but most of the squad want him out.

And your source for the players wanting him out is.??
Dont know who is telling crap..but apparently the young guys in our squad and there is quite a few who like Madge and have done well under his coaching...
so you dont know each players thoughts on him but most want him out...why do they tell you and not Pascoe ,Lee or the board if they dissaprove so much...

Don't need to reveal sources mate, just know the playing group want him gone.

Can choose to believe me or not, it's fine by me.

Don’t want your sources, I want the players names who want him gone.

My source is current NRL players.

Do you really think I'm going to reveal that on a public forum? Just know that a majority of them want him out. Can't sack 28 players, can sack one coach.

He's gone after 2022, if not earlier.

Not asking for your source or are you saying the majority of the players have personally told you they are unhappy with him?

I'm saying that a handful of current NRL players have personally told me that the Tigers playing group want Michael Maguire out.

That is all.

What they allegedly want and what will actually happen are two different things completely. So let's say your right, who do they want to coach them since they're so picky about their current plight?

Never said they were Tigers players that told me.

As I said before, it's the social media age; everyone talks.

Just unsure of how the situation can remain tenable with him coaching with this being the case.

So it’s not even Wests Tigers NRL players that are giving you the scoop, that’s just laughable. Wouldn’t happen to be disgruntled NRL players that didn’t get the retirement package they wanted to get here by any chance? It’s OK, no need to answer that one.

You can live in the illusion that it’s disgruntled players telling me this out of spite, that’s completely up to you. Almost every player talks to players from other clubs, that’s the way it is now.

The Tigers players told them this, I know this as fact. You actually think I want to hear this stuff? I’m as annoyed at the situation as anyone but it’s just the truth.

NRL players are also prone to talking a lot of crap. The hierarchy at WT have made it pretty clear that Madge is staying. So either the players get with the program or find another club to play at.

And who are we getting to fill our 30 spots, Madge can't attract diddly squat

The next coach will have them queuing up..

Has the Call Centre been established to field all the enquiries from players wanting to play for Maguire?

That’s the issue, the players are struggling to understand the foreign accents when they phone in. Globalisation I tell ya!

 

[The_Patriot]

Maguire has lost the sheds which means it’s even more critical he leaves in this day and age.

In the social media age, all the players from the different clubs talk to each other. Our players don’t like Madge, meaning when other players ask about him in the rare possibility we convince someone to join us, the players will tell them and potential deals could be scuppered.

He must go.

Gee..I hope the next guy fairs better with the dressing sheds...Sheens lost the sheds.. Potter lost the Sheds..Taylor never had the sheds... Voldamort burnt down the sheds.. starting to see a pattern here...new sheds..

I agree there is for sure cultural and complacency issues here thanks to being poor for so many years, but doesn't take away from the fact the playing group doesn't play for him, and he must leave imo.

I've heard some terrible things about Maguire's approaches to coaching in recent times which sways my opinion but it should be obvious to all that he has not and will never adapt to the modern game.

He's cooked. Done for. Finished.

The playing group aren’t playing as a team. It’s somebody’s else’s job to stop the try scorer improving the position as an example. It’s attitude and that’s all on the players

It's honestly conflicting as it feels quite similar to Jason Taylor's final months with us and I genuinely hope we don't completely mishandle the situation.
On one hand Madge is one of the only persons within the club that I see with any passion and motivation. Also, his vision for the club is easily perceivable. However, on the other hand there's just something terribly amiss and we look too impassive as a playing group.

It's crazy that we're even having these types of conversations again and there still appears to be little accountability from upper management.
The fact we're not in the position to consistently challenge the competition after a decade, I totally put down to them.
(I don't like saying it about our players) but the soft player mentality, poor player development, the coaches totally out of their depth, the recruitment officer's inability to lure prospective players and bad club perception is due to years of poor judgement and decision making... And a poor organisational culture.
It's a little sad as I still feel the same way I did 4 years ago, that we need to look no further at the whole structure of the club to see where all our problems arise.
For me it's them who've botched everything that is wrong with the club and it's the supporter base that bears the brunt of it.

One thing I will say is that is evident through some of his actions, is that he's clearly trying to compensate for the lack of positive leadership in the team. So the fact he's the only one currently copping it leads me to believe he is also trying to make up for poor governance leadership.

I’ve seen it number of times and not just with this footy club. Hang out a little longer until the boss is removed and we can go back to our slack ways. Well that’s not going to work this time. The Tigers are slowly but surely removing the dead wood and the bad influencers from the playing group. Madge is here to stay. The crap attitude of the players is what has to change and go.

I know for a fact that the vast majority of the playing group is off him.

So unless you think there's going to be astronomical roster turnover, he's a dead man walking because we will not succeed under him. Not to mention his coaching methods are completely outdated.

Players have a lot to answer for but I can't see him here beyond his current contract.

Key question for me is which players?
If Deouhi, Laurie, Ute, Blore, Tuilagi, Simpkins are off him well that's somethingzero but if they are still behind him (which i assume they are) then play on.

I don't know each of their thoughts on him player by player, but most of the squad want him out.

And your source for the players wanting him out is.??
Dont know who is telling crap..but apparently the young guys in our squad and there is quite a few who like Madge and have done well under his coaching...
so you dont know each players thoughts on him but most want him out...why do they tell you and not Pascoe ,Lee or the board if they dissaprove so much...

Don't need to reveal sources mate, just know the playing group want him gone.

Can choose to believe me or not, it's fine by me.

Don’t want your sources, I want the players names who want him gone.

My source is current NRL players.

Do you really think I'm going to reveal that on a public forum? Just know that a majority of them want him out. Can't sack 28 players, can sack one coach.

He's gone after 2022, if not earlier.

Not asking for your source or are you saying the majority of the players have personally told you they are unhappy with him?

I'm saying that a handful of current NRL players have personally told me that the Tigers playing group want Michael Maguire out.

That is all.

What they allegedly want and what will actually happen are two different things completely. So let's say your right, who do they want to coach them since they're so picky about their current plight?

Never said they were Tigers players that told me.

As I said before, it's the social media age; everyone talks.

Just unsure of how the situation can remain tenable with him coaching with this being the case.

So it’s not even Wests Tigers NRL players that are giving you the scoop, that’s just laughable. Wouldn’t happen to be disgruntled NRL players that didn’t get the retirement package they wanted to get here by any chance? It’s OK, no need to answer that one.

You can live in the illusion that it’s disgruntled players telling me this out of spite, that’s completely up to you. Almost every player talks to players from other clubs, that’s the way it is now.

The Tigers players told them this, I know this as fact. You actually think I want to hear this stuff? I’m as annoyed at the situation as anyone but it’s just the truth.

NRL players are also prone to talking a lot of crap. The hierarchy at WT have made it pretty clear that Madge is staying. So either the players get with the program or find another club to play at.

And who are we getting to fill our 30 spots, Madge can't attract diddly squat

The next coach will have them queuing up..

He will have more wanting in than Madge currently has

These sorts of comments are the most ridiculous trend atm. Up there with “anything is better than what we have”. You don’t know that. You thought things would be better once JT was sacked. How’d that work out?

Lol you still defending that flog

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Maguire has lost the sheds which means it’s even more critical he leaves in this day and age.

In the social media age, all the players from the different clubs talk to each other. Our players don’t like Madge, meaning when other players ask about him in the rare possibility we convince someone to join us, the players will tell them and potential deals could be scuppered.

He must go.

Gee..I hope the next guy fairs better with the dressing sheds...Sheens lost the sheds.. Potter lost the Sheds..Taylor never had the sheds... Voldamort burnt down the sheds.. starting to see a pattern here...new sheds..

I agree there is for sure cultural and complacency issues here thanks to being poor for so many years, but doesn't take away from the fact the playing group doesn't play for him, and he must leave imo.

I've heard some terrible things about Maguire's approaches to coaching in recent times which sways my opinion but it should be obvious to all that he has not and will never adapt to the modern game.

He's cooked. Done for. Finished.

The playing group aren’t playing as a team. It’s somebody’s else’s job to stop the try scorer improving the position as an example. It’s attitude and that’s all on the players

It's honestly conflicting as it feels quite similar to Jason Taylor's final months with us and I genuinely hope we don't completely mishandle the situation.
On one hand Madge is one of the only persons within the club that I see with any passion and motivation. Also, his vision for the club is easily perceivable. However, on the other hand there's just something terribly amiss and we look too impassive as a playing group.

It's crazy that we're even having these types of conversations again and there still appears to be little accountability from upper management.
The fact we're not in the position to consistently challenge the competition after a decade, I totally put down to them.
(I don't like saying it about our players) but the soft player mentality, poor player development, the coaches totally out of their depth, the recruitment officer's inability to lure prospective players and bad club perception is due to years of poor judgement and decision making... And a poor organisational culture.
It's a little sad as I still feel the same way I did 4 years ago, that we need to look no further at the whole structure of the club to see where all our problems arise.
For me it's them who've botched everything that is wrong with the club and it's the supporter base that bears the brunt of it.

One thing I will say is that is evident through some of his actions, is that he's clearly trying to compensate for the lack of positive leadership in the team. So the fact he's the only one currently copping it leads me to believe he is also trying to make up for poor governance leadership.

I’ve seen it number of times and not just with this footy club. Hang out a little longer until the boss is removed and we can go back to our slack ways. Well that’s not going to work this time. The Tigers are slowly but surely removing the dead wood and the bad influencers from the playing group. Madge is here to stay. The crap attitude of the players is what has to change and go.

I know for a fact that the vast majority of the playing group is off him.

So unless you think there's going to be astronomical roster turnover, he's a dead man walking because we will not succeed under him. Not to mention his coaching methods are completely outdated.

Players have a lot to answer for but I can't see him here beyond his current contract.

Key question for me is which players?
If Deouhi, Laurie, Ute, Blore, Tuilagi, Simpkins are off him well that's somethingzero but if they are still behind him (which i assume they are) then play on.

I don't know each of their thoughts on him player by player, but most of the squad want him out.

And your source for the players wanting him out is.??
Dont know who is telling crap..but apparently the young guys in our squad and there is quite a few who like Madge and have done well under his coaching...
so you dont know each players thoughts on him but most want him out...why do they tell you and not Pascoe ,Lee or the board if they dissaprove so much...

Don't need to reveal sources mate, just know the playing group want him gone.

Can choose to believe me or not, it's fine by me.

Don’t want your sources, I want the players names who want him gone.

My source is current NRL players.

Do you really think I'm going to reveal that on a public forum? Just know that a majority of them want him out. Can't sack 28 players, can sack one coach.

He's gone after 2022, if not earlier.

Not asking for your source or are you saying the majority of the players have personally told you they are unhappy with him?

I'm saying that a handful of current NRL players have personally told me that the Tigers playing group want Michael Maguire out.

That is all.

What they allegedly want and what will actually happen are two different things completely. So let's say your right, who do they want to coach them since they're so picky about their current plight?

Never said they were Tigers players that told me.

As I said before, it's the social media age; everyone talks.

Just unsure of how the situation can remain tenable with him coaching with this being the case.

So it’s not even Wests Tigers NRL players that are giving you the scoop, that’s just laughable. Wouldn’t happen to be disgruntled NRL players that didn’t get the retirement package they wanted to get here by any chance? It’s OK, no need to answer that one.

You can live in the illusion that it’s disgruntled players telling me this out of spite, that’s completely up to you. Almost every player talks to players from other clubs, that’s the way it is now.

The Tigers players told them this, I know this as fact. You actually think I want to hear this stuff? I’m as annoyed at the situation as anyone but it’s just the truth.

NRL players are also prone to talking a lot of crap. The hierarchy at WT have made it pretty clear that Madge is staying. So either the players get with the program or find another club to play at.

And who are we getting to fill our 30 spots, Madge can't attract diddly squat

The next coach will have them queuing up..

He will have more wanting in than Madge currently has

These sorts of comments are the most ridiculous trend atm. Up there with “anything is better than what we have”. You don’t know that. You thought things would be better once JT was sacked. How’d that work out?

You are still the JT fan boy I see, he has shown his ability as a coach, he even got demoted from assistant coach since he was sacked here.
Cleary would have worked if Nathan came onboard, and your opinion is not worth more than anyone else’s, so stop taking pot shots mate

My opinion on Taylor has nothing to do with it. I’m sure you would have said the same when Taylor was coach as you are saying now. Surely you know by now, careful what you wish for.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Maguire has lost the sheds which means it’s even more critical he leaves in this day and age.

In the social media age, all the players from the different clubs talk to each other. Our players don’t like Madge, meaning when other players ask about him in the rare possibility we convince someone to join us, the players will tell them and potential deals could be scuppered.

He must go.

Gee..I hope the next guy fairs better with the dressing sheds...Sheens lost the sheds.. Potter lost the Sheds..Taylor never had the sheds... Voldamort burnt down the sheds.. starting to see a pattern here...new sheds..

I agree there is for sure cultural and complacency issues here thanks to being poor for so many years, but doesn't take away from the fact the playing group doesn't play for him, and he must leave imo.

I've heard some terrible things about Maguire's approaches to coaching in recent times which sways my opinion but it should be obvious to all that he has not and will never adapt to the modern game.

He's cooked. Done for. Finished.

The playing group aren’t playing as a team. It’s somebody’s else’s job to stop the try scorer improving the position as an example. It’s attitude and that’s all on the players

It's honestly conflicting as it feels quite similar to Jason Taylor's final months with us and I genuinely hope we don't completely mishandle the situation.
On one hand Madge is one of the only persons within the club that I see with any passion and motivation. Also, his vision for the club is easily perceivable. However, on the other hand there's just something terribly amiss and we look too impassive as a playing group.

It's crazy that we're even having these types of conversations again and there still appears to be little accountability from upper management.
The fact we're not in the position to consistently challenge the competition after a decade, I totally put down to them.
(I don't like saying it about our players) but the soft player mentality, poor player development, the coaches totally out of their depth, the recruitment officer's inability to lure prospective players and bad club perception is due to years of poor judgement and decision making... And a poor organisational culture.
It's a little sad as I still feel the same way I did 4 years ago, that we need to look no further at the whole structure of the club to see where all our problems arise.
For me it's them who've botched everything that is wrong with the club and it's the supporter base that bears the brunt of it.

One thing I will say is that is evident through some of his actions, is that he's clearly trying to compensate for the lack of positive leadership in the team. So the fact he's the only one currently copping it leads me to believe he is also trying to make up for poor governance leadership.

I’ve seen it number of times and not just with this footy club. Hang out a little longer until the boss is removed and we can go back to our slack ways. Well that’s not going to work this time. The Tigers are slowly but surely removing the dead wood and the bad influencers from the playing group. Madge is here to stay. The crap attitude of the players is what has to change and go.

I know for a fact that the vast majority of the playing group is off him.

So unless you think there's going to be astronomical roster turnover, he's a dead man walking because we will not succeed under him. Not to mention his coaching methods are completely outdated.

Players have a lot to answer for but I can't see him here beyond his current contract.

Key question for me is which players?
If Deouhi, Laurie, Ute, Blore, Tuilagi, Simpkins are off him well that's somethingzero but if they are still behind him (which i assume they are) then play on.

I don't know each of their thoughts on him player by player, but most of the squad want him out.

And your source for the players wanting him out is.??
Dont know who is telling crap..but apparently the young guys in our squad and there is quite a few who like Madge and have done well under his coaching...
so you dont know each players thoughts on him but most want him out...why do they tell you and not Pascoe ,Lee or the board if they dissaprove so much...

Don't need to reveal sources mate, just know the playing group want him gone.

Can choose to believe me or not, it's fine by me.

Don’t want your sources, I want the players names who want him gone.

My source is current NRL players.

Do you really think I'm going to reveal that on a public forum? Just know that a majority of them want him out. Can't sack 28 players, can sack one coach.

He's gone after 2022, if not earlier.

Not asking for your source or are you saying the majority of the players have personally told you they are unhappy with him?

I'm saying that a handful of current NRL players have personally told me that the Tigers playing group want Michael Maguire out.

That is all.

What they allegedly want and what will actually happen are two different things completely. So let's say your right, who do they want to coach them since they're so picky about their current plight?

Never said they were Tigers players that told me.

As I said before, it's the social media age; everyone talks.

Just unsure of how the situation can remain tenable with him coaching with this being the case.

So it’s not even Wests Tigers NRL players that are giving you the scoop, that’s just laughable. Wouldn’t happen to be disgruntled NRL players that didn’t get the retirement package they wanted to get here by any chance? It’s OK, no need to answer that one.

You can live in the illusion that it’s disgruntled players telling me this out of spite, that’s completely up to you. Almost every player talks to players from other clubs, that’s the way it is now.

The Tigers players told them this, I know this as fact. You actually think I want to hear this stuff? I’m as annoyed at the situation as anyone but it’s just the truth.

NRL players are also prone to talking a lot of crap. The hierarchy at WT have made it pretty clear that Madge is staying. So either the players get with the program or find another club to play at.

And who are we getting to fill our 30 spots, Madge can't attract diddly squat

The next coach will have them queuing up..

He will have more wanting in than Madge currently has

These sorts of comments are the most ridiculous trend atm. Up there with “anything is better than what we have”. You don’t know that. You thought things would be better once JT was sacked. How’d that work out?

Lol you still defending that flog

Nope, wasn’t defending him in the slightest.

 

[The_Patriot]

Maguire has lost the sheds which means it’s even more critical he leaves in this day and age.

In the social media age, all the players from the different clubs talk to each other. Our players don’t like Madge, meaning when other players ask about him in the rare possibility we convince someone to join us, the players will tell them and potential deals could be scuppered.

He must go.

Gee..I hope the next guy fairs better with the dressing sheds...Sheens lost the sheds.. Potter lost the Sheds..Taylor never had the sheds... Voldamort burnt down the sheds.. starting to see a pattern here...new sheds..

I agree there is for sure cultural and complacency issues here thanks to being poor for so many years, but doesn't take away from the fact the playing group doesn't play for him, and he must leave imo.

I've heard some terrible things about Maguire's approaches to coaching in recent times which sways my opinion but it should be obvious to all that he has not and will never adapt to the modern game.

He's cooked. Done for. Finished.

The playing group aren’t playing as a team. It’s somebody’s else’s job to stop the try scorer improving the position as an example. It’s attitude and that’s all on the players

It's honestly conflicting as it feels quite similar to Jason Taylor's final months with us and I genuinely hope we don't completely mishandle the situation.
On one hand Madge is one of the only persons within the club that I see with any passion and motivation. Also, his vision for the club is easily perceivable. However, on the other hand there's just something terribly amiss and we look too impassive as a playing group.

It's crazy that we're even having these types of conversations again and there still appears to be little accountability from upper management.
The fact we're not in the position to consistently challenge the competition after a decade, I totally put down to them.
(I don't like saying it about our players) but the soft player mentality, poor player development, the coaches totally out of their depth, the recruitment officer's inability to lure prospective players and bad club perception is due to years of poor judgement and decision making... And a poor organisational culture.
It's a little sad as I still feel the same way I did 4 years ago, that we need to look no further at the whole structure of the club to see where all our problems arise.
For me it's them who've botched everything that is wrong with the club and it's the supporter base that bears the brunt of it.

One thing I will say is that is evident through some of his actions, is that he's clearly trying to compensate for the lack of positive leadership in the team. So the fact he's the only one currently copping it leads me to believe he is also trying to make up for poor governance leadership.

I’ve seen it number of times and not just with this footy club. Hang out a little longer until the boss is removed and we can go back to our slack ways. Well that’s not going to work this time. The Tigers are slowly but surely removing the dead wood and the bad influencers from the playing group. Madge is here to stay. The crap attitude of the players is what has to change and go.

I know for a fact that the vast majority of the playing group is off him.

So unless you think there's going to be astronomical roster turnover, he's a dead man walking because we will not succeed under him. Not to mention his coaching methods are completely outdated.

Players have a lot to answer for but I can't see him here beyond his current contract.

Key question for me is which players?
If Deouhi, Laurie, Ute, Blore, Tuilagi, Simpkins are off him well that's somethingzero but if they are still behind him (which i assume they are) then play on.

I don't know each of their thoughts on him player by player, but most of the squad want him out.

And your source for the players wanting him out is.??
Dont know who is telling crap..but apparently the young guys in our squad and there is quite a few who like Madge and have done well under his coaching...
so you dont know each players thoughts on him but most want him out...why do they tell you and not Pascoe ,Lee or the board if they dissaprove so much...

Don't need to reveal sources mate, just know the playing group want him gone.

Can choose to believe me or not, it's fine by me.

Don’t want your sources, I want the players names who want him gone.

My source is current NRL players.

Do you really think I'm going to reveal that on a public forum? Just know that a majority of them want him out. Can't sack 28 players, can sack one coach.

He's gone after 2022, if not earlier.

Not asking for your source or are you saying the majority of the players have personally told you they are unhappy with him?

I'm saying that a handful of current NRL players have personally told me that the Tigers playing group want Michael Maguire out.

That is all.

What they allegedly want and what will actually happen are two different things completely. So let's say your right, who do they want to coach them since they're so picky about their current plight?

Never said they were Tigers players that told me.

As I said before, it's the social media age; everyone talks.

Just unsure of how the situation can remain tenable with him coaching with this being the case.

So it’s not even Wests Tigers NRL players that are giving you the scoop, that’s just laughable. Wouldn’t happen to be disgruntled NRL players that didn’t get the retirement package they wanted to get here by any chance? It’s OK, no need to answer that one.

You can live in the illusion that it’s disgruntled players telling me this out of spite, that’s completely up to you. Almost every player talks to players from other clubs, that’s the way it is now.

The Tigers players told them this, I know this as fact. You actually think I want to hear this stuff? I’m as annoyed at the situation as anyone but it’s just the truth.

NRL players are also prone to talking a lot of crap. The hierarchy at WT have made it pretty clear that Madge is staying. So either the players get with the program or find another club to play at.

And who are we getting to fill our 30 spots, Madge can't attract diddly squat

The next coach will have them queuing up..

He will have more wanting in than Madge currently has

These sorts of comments are the most ridiculous trend atm. Up there with “anything is better than what we have”. You don’t know that. You thought things would be better once JT was sacked. How’d that work out?

Lol you still defending that flog

Nope, wasn’t defending him in the slightest.

So say you lol

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Maguire has lost the sheds which means it’s even more critical he leaves in this day and age.

In the social media age, all the players from the different clubs talk to each other. Our players don’t like Madge, meaning when other players ask about him in the rare possibility we convince someone to join us, the players will tell them and potential deals could be scuppered.

He must go.

Gee..I hope the next guy fairs better with the dressing sheds...Sheens lost the sheds.. Potter lost the Sheds..Taylor never had the sheds... Voldamort burnt down the sheds.. starting to see a pattern here...new sheds..

I agree there is for sure cultural and complacency issues here thanks to being poor for so many years, but doesn't take away from the fact the playing group doesn't play for him, and he must leave imo.

I've heard some terrible things about Maguire's approaches to coaching in recent times which sways my opinion but it should be obvious to all that he has not and will never adapt to the modern game.

He's cooked. Done for. Finished.

The playing group aren’t playing as a team. It’s somebody’s else’s job to stop the try scorer improving the position as an example. It’s attitude and that’s all on the players

It's honestly conflicting as it feels quite similar to Jason Taylor's final months with us and I genuinely hope we don't completely mishandle the situation.
On one hand Madge is one of the only persons within the club that I see with any passion and motivation. Also, his vision for the club is easily perceivable. However, on the other hand there's just something terribly amiss and we look too impassive as a playing group.

It's crazy that we're even having these types of conversations again and there still appears to be little accountability from upper management.
The fact we're not in the position to consistently challenge the competition after a decade, I totally put down to them.
(I don't like saying it about our players) but the soft player mentality, poor player development, the coaches totally out of their depth, the recruitment officer's inability to lure prospective players and bad club perception is due to years of poor judgement and decision making... And a poor organisational culture.
It's a little sad as I still feel the same way I did 4 years ago, that we need to look no further at the whole structure of the club to see where all our problems arise.
For me it's them who've botched everything that is wrong with the club and it's the supporter base that bears the brunt of it.

One thing I will say is that is evident through some of his actions, is that he's clearly trying to compensate for the lack of positive leadership in the team. So the fact he's the only one currently copping it leads me to believe he is also trying to make up for poor governance leadership.

I’ve seen it number of times and not just with this footy club. Hang out a little longer until the boss is removed and we can go back to our slack ways. Well that’s not going to work this time. The Tigers are slowly but surely removing the dead wood and the bad influencers from the playing group. Madge is here to stay. The crap attitude of the players is what has to change and go.

I know for a fact that the vast majority of the playing group is off him.

So unless you think there's going to be astronomical roster turnover, he's a dead man walking because we will not succeed under him. Not to mention his coaching methods are completely outdated.

Players have a lot to answer for but I can't see him here beyond his current contract.

Key question for me is which players?
If Deouhi, Laurie, Ute, Blore, Tuilagi, Simpkins are off him well that's somethingzero but if they are still behind him (which i assume they are) then play on.

I don't know each of their thoughts on him player by player, but most of the squad want him out.

And your source for the players wanting him out is.??
Dont know who is telling crap..but apparently the young guys in our squad and there is quite a few who like Madge and have done well under his coaching...
so you dont know each players thoughts on him but most want him out...why do they tell you and not Pascoe ,Lee or the board if they dissaprove so much...

Don't need to reveal sources mate, just know the playing group want him gone.

Can choose to believe me or not, it's fine by me.

Don’t want your sources, I want the players names who want him gone.

My source is current NRL players.

Do you really think I'm going to reveal that on a public forum? Just know that a majority of them want him out. Can't sack 28 players, can sack one coach.

He's gone after 2022, if not earlier.

Not asking for your source or are you saying the majority of the players have personally told you they are unhappy with him?

I'm saying that a handful of current NRL players have personally told me that the Tigers playing group want Michael Maguire out.

That is all.

What they allegedly want and what will actually happen are two different things completely. So let's say your right, who do they want to coach them since they're so picky about their current plight?

Never said they were Tigers players that told me.

As I said before, it's the social media age; everyone talks.

Just unsure of how the situation can remain tenable with him coaching with this being the case.

So it’s not even Wests Tigers NRL players that are giving you the scoop, that’s just laughable. Wouldn’t happen to be disgruntled NRL players that didn’t get the retirement package they wanted to get here by any chance? It’s OK, no need to answer that one.

You can live in the illusion that it’s disgruntled players telling me this out of spite, that’s completely up to you. Almost every player talks to players from other clubs, that’s the way it is now.

The Tigers players told them this, I know this as fact. You actually think I want to hear this stuff? I’m as annoyed at the situation as anyone but it’s just the truth.

NRL players are also prone to talking a lot of crap. The hierarchy at WT have made it pretty clear that Madge is staying. So either the players get with the program or find another club to play at.

And who are we getting to fill our 30 spots, Madge can't attract diddly squat

The next coach will have them queuing up..

He will have more wanting in than Madge currently has

These sorts of comments are the most ridiculous trend atm. Up there with “anything is better than what we have”. You don’t know that. You thought things would be better once JT was sacked. How’d that work out?

Lol you still defending that flog

Nope, wasn’t defending him in the slightest.

So say you lol

Play the ball, not the man. He’s complaining about the same things he complained about with Taylor. He inferred that anyone would do a better job than Maguire. That sort of comment is proven BS.

 

[The_Patriot]

Maguire has lost the sheds which means it’s even more critical he leaves in this day and age.

In the social media age, all the players from the different clubs talk to each other. Our players don’t like Madge, meaning when other players ask about him in the rare possibility we convince someone to join us, the players will tell them and potential deals could be scuppered.

He must go.

Gee..I hope the next guy fairs better with the dressing sheds...Sheens lost the sheds.. Potter lost the Sheds..Taylor never had the sheds... Voldamort burnt down the sheds.. starting to see a pattern here...new sheds..

I agree there is for sure cultural and complacency issues here thanks to being poor for so many years, but doesn't take away from the fact the playing group doesn't play for him, and he must leave imo.

I've heard some terrible things about Maguire's approaches to coaching in recent times which sways my opinion but it should be obvious to all that he has not and will never adapt to the modern game.

He's cooked. Done for. Finished.

The playing group aren’t playing as a team. It’s somebody’s else’s job to stop the try scorer improving the position as an example. It’s attitude and that’s all on the players

It's honestly conflicting as it feels quite similar to Jason Taylor's final months with us and I genuinely hope we don't completely mishandle the situation.
On one hand Madge is one of the only persons within the club that I see with any passion and motivation. Also, his vision for the club is easily perceivable. However, on the other hand there's just something terribly amiss and we look too impassive as a playing group.

It's crazy that we're even having these types of conversations again and there still appears to be little accountability from upper management.
The fact we're not in the position to consistently challenge the competition after a decade, I totally put down to them.
(I don't like saying it about our players) but the soft player mentality, poor player development, the coaches totally out of their depth, the recruitment officer's inability to lure prospective players and bad club perception is due to years of poor judgement and decision making... And a poor organisational culture.
It's a little sad as I still feel the same way I did 4 years ago, that we need to look no further at the whole structure of the club to see where all our problems arise.
For me it's them who've botched everything that is wrong with the club and it's the supporter base that bears the brunt of it.

One thing I will say is that is evident through some of his actions, is that he's clearly trying to compensate for the lack of positive leadership in the team. So the fact he's the only one currently copping it leads me to believe he is also trying to make up for poor governance leadership.

I’ve seen it number of times and not just with this footy club. Hang out a little longer until the boss is removed and we can go back to our slack ways. Well that’s not going to work this time. The Tigers are slowly but surely removing the dead wood and the bad influencers from the playing group. Madge is here to stay. The crap attitude of the players is what has to change and go.

I know for a fact that the vast majority of the playing group is off him.

So unless you think there's going to be astronomical roster turnover, he's a dead man walking because we will not succeed under him. Not to mention his coaching methods are completely outdated.

Players have a lot to answer for but I can't see him here beyond his current contract.

Key question for me is which players?
If Deouhi, Laurie, Ute, Blore, Tuilagi, Simpkins are off him well that's somethingzero but if they are still behind him (which i assume they are) then play on.

I don't know each of their thoughts on him player by player, but most of the squad want him out.

And your source for the players wanting him out is.??
Dont know who is telling crap..but apparently the young guys in our squad and there is quite a few who like Madge and have done well under his coaching...
so you dont know each players thoughts on him but most want him out...why do they tell you and not Pascoe ,Lee or the board if they dissaprove so much...

Don't need to reveal sources mate, just know the playing group want him gone.

Can choose to believe me or not, it's fine by me.

Don’t want your sources, I want the players names who want him gone.

My source is current NRL players.

Do you really think I'm going to reveal that on a public forum? Just know that a majority of them want him out. Can't sack 28 players, can sack one coach.

He's gone after 2022, if not earlier.

Not asking for your source or are you saying the majority of the players have personally told you they are unhappy with him?

I'm saying that a handful of current NRL players have personally told me that the Tigers playing group want Michael Maguire out.

That is all.

What they allegedly want and what will actually happen are two different things completely. So let's say your right, who do they want to coach them since they're so picky about their current plight?

Never said they were Tigers players that told me.

As I said before, it's the social media age; everyone talks.

Just unsure of how the situation can remain tenable with him coaching with this being the case.

So it’s not even Wests Tigers NRL players that are giving you the scoop, that’s just laughable. Wouldn’t happen to be disgruntled NRL players that didn’t get the retirement package they wanted to get here by any chance? It’s OK, no need to answer that one.

You can live in the illusion that it’s disgruntled players telling me this out of spite, that’s completely up to you. Almost every player talks to players from other clubs, that’s the way it is now.

The Tigers players told them this, I know this as fact. You actually think I want to hear this stuff? I’m as annoyed at the situation as anyone but it’s just the truth.

NRL players are also prone to talking a lot of crap. The hierarchy at WT have made it pretty clear that Madge is staying. So either the players get with the program or find another club to play at.

And who are we getting to fill our 30 spots, Madge can't attract diddly squat

The next coach will have them queuing up..

He will have more wanting in than Madge currently has

These sorts of comments are the most ridiculous trend atm. Up there with “anything is better than what we have”. You don’t know that. You thought things would be better once JT was sacked. How’d that work out?

Lol you still defending that flog

Nope, wasn’t defending him in the slightest.

So say you lol

Play the ball, not the man. He’s complaining about the same things he complained about with Taylor. He inferred that anyone would do a better job than Maguire. That sort of comment is proven BS.

I've dropped the ball and am playing the man. You.

You are the only guy still offering up any sort of defence for the Muppet.

 

[The_Patriot]

That said it's a struck match between Taylor and Maguire for failing to deliver on their proposed cultural changes.

Both failed miserably. Taylor with the the whole Farah thing and Maguire with moving on players like Momirovski for loose humans like BJ and JTJ

 

[Telltails]

I was all for JT getting the boot- for all the reasons that are well documented. I honestly believed that once we had a better credentialed coach and some money we could buy who we want. We have have had two now ... and I was wrong.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Maguire has lost the sheds which means it’s even more critical he leaves in this day and age.

In the social media age, all the players from the different clubs talk to each other. Our players don’t like Madge, meaning when other players ask about him in the rare possibility we convince someone to join us, the players will tell them and potential deals could be scuppered.

He must go.

Gee..I hope the next guy fairs better with the dressing sheds...Sheens lost the sheds.. Potter lost the Sheds..Taylor never had the sheds... Voldamort burnt down the sheds.. starting to see a pattern here...new sheds..

I agree there is for sure cultural and complacency issues here thanks to being poor for so many years, but doesn't take away from the fact the playing group doesn't play for him, and he must leave imo.

I've heard some terrible things about Maguire's approaches to coaching in recent times which sways my opinion but it should be obvious to all that he has not and will never adapt to the modern game.

He's cooked. Done for. Finished.

The playing group aren’t playing as a team. It’s somebody’s else’s job to stop the try scorer improving the position as an example. It’s attitude and that’s all on the players

It's honestly conflicting as it feels quite similar to Jason Taylor's final months with us and I genuinely hope we don't completely mishandle the situation.
On one hand Madge is one of the only persons within the club that I see with any passion and motivation. Also, his vision for the club is easily perceivable. However, on the other hand there's just something terribly amiss and we look too impassive as a playing group.

It's crazy that we're even having these types of conversations again and there still appears to be little accountability from upper management.
The fact we're not in the position to consistently challenge the competition after a decade, I totally put down to them.
(I don't like saying it about our players) but the soft player mentality, poor player development, the coaches totally out of their depth, the recruitment officer's inability to lure prospective players and bad club perception is due to years of poor judgement and decision making... And a poor organisational culture.
It's a little sad as I still feel the same way I did 4 years ago, that we need to look no further at the whole structure of the club to see where all our problems arise.
For me it's them who've botched everything that is wrong with the club and it's the supporter base that bears the brunt of it.

One thing I will say is that is evident through some of his actions, is that he's clearly trying to compensate for the lack of positive leadership in the team. So the fact he's the only one currently copping it leads me to believe he is also trying to make up for poor governance leadership.

I’ve seen it number of times and not just with this footy club. Hang out a little longer until the boss is removed and we can go back to our slack ways. Well that’s not going to work this time. The Tigers are slowly but surely removing the dead wood and the bad influencers from the playing group. Madge is here to stay. The crap attitude of the players is what has to change and go.

I know for a fact that the vast majority of the playing group is off him.

So unless you think there's going to be astronomical roster turnover, he's a dead man walking because we will not succeed under him. Not to mention his coaching methods are completely outdated.

Players have a lot to answer for but I can't see him here beyond his current contract.

Key question for me is which players?
If Deouhi, Laurie, Ute, Blore, Tuilagi, Simpkins are off him well that's somethingzero but if they are still behind him (which i assume they are) then play on.

I don't know each of their thoughts on him player by player, but most of the squad want him out.

And your source for the players wanting him out is.??
Dont know who is telling crap..but apparently the young guys in our squad and there is quite a few who like Madge and have done well under his coaching...
so you dont know each players thoughts on him but most want him out...why do they tell you and not Pascoe ,Lee or the board if they dissaprove so much...

Don't need to reveal sources mate, just know the playing group want him gone.

Can choose to believe me or not, it's fine by me.

Don’t want your sources, I want the players names who want him gone.

My source is current NRL players.

Do you really think I'm going to reveal that on a public forum? Just know that a majority of them want him out. Can't sack 28 players, can sack one coach.

He's gone after 2022, if not earlier.

Not asking for your source or are you saying the majority of the players have personally told you they are unhappy with him?

I'm saying that a handful of current NRL players have personally told me that the Tigers playing group want Michael Maguire out.

That is all.

What they allegedly want and what will actually happen are two different things completely. So let's say your right, who do they want to coach them since they're so picky about their current plight?

Never said they were Tigers players that told me.

As I said before, it's the social media age; everyone talks.

Just unsure of how the situation can remain tenable with him coaching with this being the case.

So it’s not even Wests Tigers NRL players that are giving you the scoop, that’s just laughable. Wouldn’t happen to be disgruntled NRL players that didn’t get the retirement package they wanted to get here by any chance? It’s OK, no need to answer that one.

You can live in the illusion that it’s disgruntled players telling me this out of spite, that’s completely up to you. Almost every player talks to players from other clubs, that’s the way it is now.

The Tigers players told them this, I know this as fact. You actually think I want to hear this stuff? I’m as annoyed at the situation as anyone but it’s just the truth.

NRL players are also prone to talking a lot of crap. The hierarchy at WT have made it pretty clear that Madge is staying. So either the players get with the program or find another club to play at.

And who are we getting to fill our 30 spots, Madge can't attract diddly squat

The next coach will have them queuing up..

He will have more wanting in than Madge currently has

These sorts of comments are the most ridiculous trend atm. Up there with “anything is better than what we have”. You don’t know that. You thought things would be better once JT was sacked. How’d that work out?

Lol you still defending that flog

Nope, wasn’t defending him in the slightest.

So say you lol

Play the ball, not the man. He’s complaining about the same things he complained about with Taylor. He inferred that anyone would do a better job than Maguire. That sort of comment is proven BS.

I've dropped the ball and am playing the man. You.

You are the only guy still offering up any sort of defence for the Muppet.

What defence is that? I used him as an example. If you are too sensitive for JT though, I’ll give you another one. Luke Brooks. People say the same thing with him “anyone would be better”, then you end up with Billy Walters. And I’m glad you acknowledge you are playing the man, because it made you miss the entire point. It’s not about Taylor, or Brooks or anyone else. It’s about when people start shooting off how anyone would be better. Simply untrue. You can always do worse. You even said so in your next post when you said there is only a struck match between Taylor and Maguire.

 

[TrueTiger]

That said it's a struck match between Taylor and Maguire for failing to deliver on their proposed cultural changes.

Both failed miserably. Taylor with the the whole Farah thing and Maguire with moving on players like Momirovski for loose humans like BJ and JTJ

Sorry mate ...we swapped Momo for Laurie ,we needed a fullback and he will be good...I really like Momo and hope he does really well at the Riff.
As it works out Penrith needed a centre and we needed a FB....its going well and wish both the boys best of luck....

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Option 2) Back yourself, build a team, roll the dice. Challenge yourself. You’re up against it and everyone knows… yet, you’re up for it. You’re the man to lead a team out of the darkness and into success. It happens and it’s all thanks to you. A miracle worker. You’ll be remembered for ever. Massive praise for being to do something no one has been able to do for years.
Sword of Excalibur.

I’ll have what you’re having..

It isn't going to be easy.
Nothing is impossible though.

After all these dark years.... imagine.
A coach and his crew, lead us to success.
Showing the world, he's the best coach.

More chance of reversing the rotation of the Earth.. nothing is impossible..dream believe achieve

I believe it's not an easy fix but not as hard as you'd think.

- Nofo, either run straight or play for another team. Bite the bullet... he goes or he plays properly.

- centres. We need them. Recruit them. Lomax, Scott... hell, can we get Momkrovski back?

- a lock. Twals a prop. Missing McInness was a massive failure and cannot be forgiven.

- the right coach.

If we can get all this together, we're on the incline.

Brandon Smith is better than McInnes he can be our lock.
As for Nofo just stick hin in reserve grade he will kick stones and leave
Centres try for lomax no idea if we can't get him, see what gutho will sign for or stick Douhie at centre

 

[Needaname]

What life looks like at 80% vaccination rate. Enjoy.



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Correct Thread?

 

[PJ_]

Taylor was a flog and if Madge doesn't start being successful, he will be in the same boat.
In my opinion Madge can coach, JT was just a nuffie

 

[The_Patriot]

Maguire has lost the sheds which means it’s even more critical he leaves in this day and age.

In the social media age, all the players from the different clubs talk to each other. Our players don’t like Madge, meaning when other players ask about him in the rare possibility we convince someone to join us, the players will tell them and potential deals could be scuppered.

He must go.

Gee..I hope the next guy fairs better with the dressing sheds...Sheens lost the sheds.. Potter lost the Sheds..Taylor never had the sheds... Voldamort burnt down the sheds.. starting to see a pattern here...new sheds..

I agree there is for sure cultural and complacency issues here thanks to being poor for so many years, but doesn't take away from the fact the playing group doesn't play for him, and he must leave imo.

I've heard some terrible things about Maguire's approaches to coaching in recent times which sways my opinion but it should be obvious to all that he has not and will never adapt to the modern game.

He's cooked. Done for. Finished.

The playing group aren’t playing as a team. It’s somebody’s else’s job to stop the try scorer improving the position as an example. It’s attitude and that’s all on the players

It's honestly conflicting as it feels quite similar to Jason Taylor's final months with us and I genuinely hope we don't completely mishandle the situation.
On one hand Madge is one of the only persons within the club that I see with any passion and motivation. Also, his vision for the club is easily perceivable. However, on the other hand there's just something terribly amiss and we look too impassive as a playing group.

It's crazy that we're even having these types of conversations again and there still appears to be little accountability from upper management.
The fact we're not in the position to consistently challenge the competition after a decade, I totally put down to them.
(I don't like saying it about our players) but the soft player mentality, poor player development, the coaches totally out of their depth, the recruitment officer's inability to lure prospective players and bad club perception is due to years of poor judgement and decision making... And a poor organisational culture.
It's a little sad as I still feel the same way I did 4 years ago, that we need to look no further at the whole structure of the club to see where all our problems arise.
For me it's them who've botched everything that is wrong with the club and it's the supporter base that bears the brunt of it.

One thing I will say is that is evident through some of his actions, is that he's clearly trying to compensate for the lack of positive leadership in the team. So the fact he's the only one currently copping it leads me to believe he is also trying to make up for poor governance leadership.

I’ve seen it number of times and not just with this footy club. Hang out a little longer until the boss is removed and we can go back to our slack ways. Well that’s not going to work this time. The Tigers are slowly but surely removing the dead wood and the bad influencers from the playing group. Madge is here to stay. The crap attitude of the players is what has to change and go.

I know for a fact that the vast majority of the playing group is off him.

So unless you think there's going to be astronomical roster turnover, he's a dead man walking because we will not succeed under him. Not to mention his coaching methods are completely outdated.

Players have a lot to answer for but I can't see him here beyond his current contract.

Key question for me is which players?
If Deouhi, Laurie, Ute, Blore, Tuilagi, Simpkins are off him well that's somethingzero but if they are still behind him (which i assume they are) then play on.

I don't know each of their thoughts on him player by player, but most of the squad want him out.

And your source for the players wanting him out is.??
Dont know who is telling crap..but apparently the young guys in our squad and there is quite a few who like Madge and have done well under his coaching...
so you dont know each players thoughts on him but most want him out...why do they tell you and not Pascoe ,Lee or the board if they dissaprove so much...

Don't need to reveal sources mate, just know the playing group want him gone.

Can choose to believe me or not, it's fine by me.

Don’t want your sources, I want the players names who want him gone.

My source is current NRL players.

Do you really think I'm going to reveal that on a public forum? Just know that a majority of them want him out. Can't sack 28 players, can sack one coach.

He's gone after 2022, if not earlier.

Not asking for your source or are you saying the majority of the players have personally told you they are unhappy with him?

I'm saying that a handful of current NRL players have personally told me that the Tigers playing group want Michael Maguire out.

That is all.

What they allegedly want and what will actually happen are two different things completely. So let's say your right, who do they want to coach them since they're so picky about their current plight?

Never said they were Tigers players that told me.

As I said before, it's the social media age; everyone talks.

Just unsure of how the situation can remain tenable with him coaching with this being the case.

So it’s not even Wests Tigers NRL players that are giving you the scoop, that’s just laughable. Wouldn’t happen to be disgruntled NRL players that didn’t get the retirement package they wanted to get here by any chance? It’s OK, no need to answer that one.

You can live in the illusion that it’s disgruntled players telling me this out of spite, that’s completely up to you. Almost every player talks to players from other clubs, that’s the way it is now.

The Tigers players told them this, I know this as fact. You actually think I want to hear this stuff? I’m as annoyed at the situation as anyone but it’s just the truth.

NRL players are also prone to talking a lot of crap. The hierarchy at WT have made it pretty clear that Madge is staying. So either the players get with the program or find another club to play at.

And who are we getting to fill our 30 spots, Madge can't attract diddly squat

The next coach will have them queuing up..

He will have more wanting in than Madge currently has

These sorts of comments are the most ridiculous trend atm. Up there with “anything is better than what we have”. You don’t know that. You thought things would be better once JT was sacked. How’d that work out?

Lol you still defending that flog

Nope, wasn’t defending him in the slightest.

So say you lol

Play the ball, not the man. He’s complaining about the same things he complained about with Taylor. He inferred that anyone would do a better job than Maguire. That sort of comment is proven BS.

I've dropped the ball and am playing the man. You.

You are the only guy still offering up any sort of defence for the Muppet.

What defence is that? I used him as an example. If you are too sensitive for JT though, I’ll give you another one. Luke Brooks. People say the same thing with him “anyone would be better”, then you end up with Billy Walters. And I’m glad you acknowledge you are playing the man, because it made you miss the entire point. It’s not about Taylor, or Brooks or anyone else. It’s about when people start shooting off how anyone would be better. Simply untrue. You can always do worse. You even said so in your next post when you said there is only a struck match between Taylor and Maguire.

Unfortunately JT destroyed my sensitivity. I was a bit precious back then but JT destroyed the club in ways Maguire never would. At least this guy as bad as he is understands junior development is important.

You can stick your JT love. The guy was cancer.

Maguire is struggling but when he is gone the club will get in a reasonable position given the junior development.

As for the brooks argument. Well the guy needs to be punted. He is everything wrong with this club. I'd rather run out with Geo at halfback.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Maguire has lost the sheds which means it’s even more critical he leaves in this day and age.

In the social media age, all the players from the different clubs talk to each other. Our players don’t like Madge, meaning when other players ask about him in the rare possibility we convince someone to join us, the players will tell them and potential deals could be scuppered.

He must go.

Gee..I hope the next guy fairs better with the dressing sheds...Sheens lost the sheds.. Potter lost the Sheds..Taylor never had the sheds... Voldamort burnt down the sheds.. starting to see a pattern here...new sheds..

I agree there is for sure cultural and complacency issues here thanks to being poor for so many years, but doesn't take away from the fact the playing group doesn't play for him, and he must leave imo.

I've heard some terrible things about Maguire's approaches to coaching in recent times which sways my opinion but it should be obvious to all that he has not and will never adapt to the modern game.

He's cooked. Done for. Finished.

The playing group aren’t playing as a team. It’s somebody’s else’s job to stop the try scorer improving the position as an example. It’s attitude and that’s all on the players

It's honestly conflicting as it feels quite similar to Jason Taylor's final months with us and I genuinely hope we don't completely mishandle the situation.
On one hand Madge is one of the only persons within the club that I see with any passion and motivation. Also, his vision for the club is easily perceivable. However, on the other hand there's just something terribly amiss and we look too impassive as a playing group.

It's crazy that we're even having these types of conversations again and there still appears to be little accountability from upper management.
The fact we're not in the position to consistently challenge the competition after a decade, I totally put down to them.
(I don't like saying it about our players) but the soft player mentality, poor player development, the coaches totally out of their depth, the recruitment officer's inability to lure prospective players and bad club perception is due to years of poor judgement and decision making... And a poor organisational culture.
It's a little sad as I still feel the same way I did 4 years ago, that we need to look no further at the whole structure of the club to see where all our problems arise.
For me it's them who've botched everything that is wrong with the club and it's the supporter base that bears the brunt of it.

One thing I will say is that is evident through some of his actions, is that he's clearly trying to compensate for the lack of positive leadership in the team. So the fact he's the only one currently copping it leads me to believe he is also trying to make up for poor governance leadership.

I’ve seen it number of times and not just with this footy club. Hang out a little longer until the boss is removed and we can go back to our slack ways. Well that’s not going to work this time. The Tigers are slowly but surely removing the dead wood and the bad influencers from the playing group. Madge is here to stay. The crap attitude of the players is what has to change and go.

I know for a fact that the vast majority of the playing group is off him.

So unless you think there's going to be astronomical roster turnover, he's a dead man walking because we will not succeed under him. Not to mention his coaching methods are completely outdated.

Players have a lot to answer for but I can't see him here beyond his current contract.

Key question for me is which players?
If Deouhi, Laurie, Ute, Blore, Tuilagi, Simpkins are off him well that's somethingzero but if they are still behind him (which i assume they are) then play on.

I don't know each of their thoughts on him player by player, but most of the squad want him out.

And your source for the players wanting him out is.??
Dont know who is telling crap..but apparently the young guys in our squad and there is quite a few who like Madge and have done well under his coaching...
so you dont know each players thoughts on him but most want him out...why do they tell you and not Pascoe ,Lee or the board if they dissaprove so much...

Don't need to reveal sources mate, just know the playing group want him gone.

Can choose to believe me or not, it's fine by me.

Don’t want your sources, I want the players names who want him gone.

My source is current NRL players.

Do you really think I'm going to reveal that on a public forum? Just know that a majority of them want him out. Can't sack 28 players, can sack one coach.

He's gone after 2022, if not earlier.

Not asking for your source or are you saying the majority of the players have personally told you they are unhappy with him?

I'm saying that a handful of current NRL players have personally told me that the Tigers playing group want Michael Maguire out.

That is all.

What they allegedly want and what will actually happen are two different things completely. So let's say your right, who do they want to coach them since they're so picky about their current plight?

Never said they were Tigers players that told me.

As I said before, it's the social media age; everyone talks.

Just unsure of how the situation can remain tenable with him coaching with this being the case.

So it’s not even Wests Tigers NRL players that are giving you the scoop, that’s just laughable. Wouldn’t happen to be disgruntled NRL players that didn’t get the retirement package they wanted to get here by any chance? It’s OK, no need to answer that one.

You can live in the illusion that it’s disgruntled players telling me this out of spite, that’s completely up to you. Almost every player talks to players from other clubs, that’s the way it is now.

The Tigers players told them this, I know this as fact. You actually think I want to hear this stuff? I’m as annoyed at the situation as anyone but it’s just the truth.

NRL players are also prone to talking a lot of crap. The hierarchy at WT have made it pretty clear that Madge is staying. So either the players get with the program or find another club to play at.

And who are we getting to fill our 30 spots, Madge can't attract diddly squat

The next coach will have them queuing up..

He will have more wanting in than Madge currently has

These sorts of comments are the most ridiculous trend atm. Up there with “anything is better than what we have”. You don’t know that. You thought things would be better once JT was sacked. How’d that work out?

Lol you still defending that flog

Nope, wasn’t defending him in the slightest.

So say you lol

Play the ball, not the man. He’s complaining about the same things he complained about with Taylor. He inferred that anyone would do a better job than Maguire. That sort of comment is proven BS.

I've dropped the ball and am playing the man. You.

You are the only guy still offering up any sort of defence for the Muppet.

What defence is that? I used him as an example. If you are too sensitive for JT though, I’ll give you another one. Luke Brooks. People say the same thing with him “anyone would be better”, then you end up with Billy Walters. And I’m glad you acknowledge you are playing the man, because it made you miss the entire point. It’s not about Taylor, or Brooks or anyone else. It’s about when people start shooting off how anyone would be better. Simply untrue. You can always do worse. You even said so in your next post when you said there is only a struck match between Taylor and Maguire.

Unfortunately JT destroyed my sensitivity. I was a bit precious back then but JT destroyed the club in ways Maguire never would. At least this guy as bad as he is understands junior development is important.

You can stick your JT love. The guy was cancer.

Maguire is struggling but when he is gone the club will get in a reasonable position given the junior development.

As for the brooks argument. Well the guy needs to be punted. He is everything wrong with this club. I'd rather run out with Geo at halfback.

I will stick the non existent love.

 

[innsaneink]

You know what the difference is between us and say,Storm,Rabbits Panthers and Roosters....
those other teams players ,support the ball carrier ,move up in defense,cut out errors.always strive to be on the front foot,complete sets and PLAY FOR EACH OTHER....

thats what we lack because our guys are young and error riddled...its called Pressure and they cant handle it....today proved that ...they score first and then turn to water under the pressure of defending the lead....downvote me call me whatever you want ...Truth hurts a lot of people ...but I stand by what I say...

The team cannot play for each when they all dislike Madge immensely.

Do you have facts that they DISLIKE MADGE IMMENSLEY or are you listening and reading what suits the narrative...


Does this team have a commitment to the coach ? The results tell you that no narrative just check the results ! They do not lye !

The players get paid to win games,if they cant play for the coach maybe they should be the ones people vent their hate against...its big business,if you sign up to do a job you do it to your utmost ability,its how it works,if you cant maybe have a good hard look at yourself and find another career...

That apply to the coach as well?

2019 9th and 486 points against avg 20.25 pg
2020 11th and 505 points against avg 25.25 points per game
2021 12th or 13th, 596 against avg 28.38

No improvement...started bad, very bad, got worse...and even worse this year

I see little to no improvement

 

[The_Patriot]

That said it's a struck match between Taylor and Maguire for failing to deliver on their proposed cultural changes.

Both failed miserably. Taylor with the the whole Farah thing and Maguire with moving on players like Momirovski for loose humans like BJ and JTJ

Sorry mate ...we swapped Momo for Laurie ,we needed a fullback and he will be good...I really like Momo and hope he does really well at the Riff.
As it works out Penrith needed a centre and we needed a FB....its going well and wish both the boys best of luck....

I really understand that. I also fully support the trade.

I'm saying however that this coach has no ability to identify mentality

It's his fault when most of the team don't even bother to turn up when we need them to.

That's what he recruited.

And traded away.

 

[Krammy]

I see a lot of similarities between my mathematics tutor and myself to Madge and the playing group. I get there are differences between studying maths and playing a season of rugby league but both require discipline and hard work in their own ways if you want to achieve results. My tutor was Madge in everyway possible - extremely high standards, demanding and passionate for success. As a student, if I didn't meet those standards, I felt at times that I couldn't open up about how I felt I was progressing or even if there was simple things that I needed to work on I just felt like I would be shamed if I said anything so I wouldn't. No matter how many times I wouldn't get results desired, he'd tell the class that I do this because I want you to be successful and I care for you, I know you have it in you but you need to put the effort in. Which was true although I found that his style at times was just words and not t implemented through actions I perceived as care as well as being demotivating when things were not going well. On the other hand, those students that had the drive themselves to get things themselves only needed fine tuning and the equipment to succeed that bit more.

To put short - I trialled another tutor simultaneously and his method allowed me to address my shortcomings and help better hone my skills and regain confidence in what I did. To put it into rugby league terms for you, he reminded me a lot of Ivan Cleary's style. Relaxed, easy to talk to and has a generally good understanding of how to be successful.

This may be the case with the WT player or it may just be that the contexts are on different sides of the spectrum but I can understand if it were the case. He isn't going to be the coach for everyone, but he would be a great coach for some. Nurturing young juniors in this system may enable success in understanding his methods, if that is the case it is probably going to take a bit longer than expected. Just my two cents.

This is a good analogy. I think sometimes people think that having a relaxed style means you are pandering to players. Not at all. Really effective leaders have high standards for sure, for themselves and their staff/players in any organisation. From my experience in both the work situation and my days playing a variety of sports, apart from setting high standards, the best coaches/leaders are those who are calm and approachable and who know their craft really well (ie as a coach, have strong tactical nous). If staff/players believe their leader has these attributes they often become more confident. More times than not you then see a lift in their performances.

 

[mccarry2]

I see a lot of similarities between my mathematics tutor and myself to Madge and the playing group. I get there are differences between studying maths and playing a season of rugby league but both require discipline and hard work in their own ways if you want to achieve results. My tutor was Madge in everyway possible - extremely high standards, demanding and passionate for success. As a student, if I didn't meet those standards, I felt at times that I couldn't open up about how I felt I was progressing or even if there was simple things that I needed to work on I just felt like I would be shamed if I said anything so I wouldn't. No matter how many times I wouldn't get results desired, he'd tell the class that I do this because I want you to be successful and I care for you, I know you have it in you but you need to put the effort in. Which was true although I found that his style at times was just words and not t implemented through actions I perceived as care as well as being demotivating when things were not going well. On the other hand, those students that had the drive themselves to get things themselves only needed fine tuning and the equipment to succeed that bit more.

To put short - I trialled another tutor simultaneously and his method allowed me to address my shortcomings and help better hone my skills and regain confidence in what I did. To put it into rugby league terms for you, he reminded me a lot of Ivan Cleary's style. Relaxed, easy to talk to and has a generally good understanding of how to be successful.

This may be the case with the WT player or it may just be that the contexts are on different sides of the spectrum but I can understand if it were the case. He isn't going to be the coach for everyone, but he would be a great coach for some. Nurturing young juniors in this system may enable success in understanding his methods, if that is the case it is probably going to take a bit longer than expected. Just my two cents.

This is a good analogy. I think sometimes people think that having a relaxed style means you are pandering to players. Not at all. Really effective leaders have high standards for sure, for themselves and their staff/players in any organisation. From my experience in both the work situation and my days playing a variety of sports, apart from setting high standards, the best coaches/leaders are those who are calm and approachable and who know their craft really well (ie as a coach, have strong tactical nous). If staff/players believe their leader has these attributes they often become more confident. More times than not you then see a lift in their performances.

Two excellent posts. Thanks for contributing them @Krammy @Madge