Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[cochise]

I think these last 2 games should be the trigger point for acting or not. Team performs better OK stay for the next season, team continues on its bumbling, incoherent way, bye bye Maguire (and around 7 to 10 of the existing squad). That gives off season to do a formal review and get a new coach giving them ability to purchase whatever new players they can and promote from wihtin.

Any new coach can be told they must work within the parameters of the developing WT plan, just a Maguire can.

I also think Hartigan is surplus to our needs now, since we are going to develop from within we dont need a specialised recruitment officer to look fro talent from outside. We will have Head coach (fill in name here), that bloke who i cant recall name of that works considering player stats and worth, Sheens and Pascoe with Kimmorley keeping his eyes on the junior squads. Surely that is enoughif we arent going to regualryl try to get talent from outside the pool of WT developed product- an individual approach to either club or the player coming off contract doesnt need Hartigan anymore surely.

You don't understand the systems we currently have in place, our aim is not to develop just the best juniors from the Wests Tigers catchment area. It is to attract the best juniors from the country and develop them into NRL players. That is where Hartigan is crucial to this club moving forward, his ability to identify and target juniors is what has impressed me and why I feel he is the most important person to keep in the entire club.

 

[TillLindemann]

If we're this bad next year I'd be surprised if he keeps the job.

How many rounds?

They should just do it now.

Hopefully Pascoe doesnt do another Jason Taylor and sack him 3 rounds in wasting the off season

I agree. Apparently there is a review coming up at the end of the season. The season has been terrible and there has been a lot of arguments as to where the problem lies. Whatever the review decides, they need to act on it straight away. I hope that, as part of the review, someone contacts all the players who rejected us and get their opinion of what is wrong at the club. Once the problem is defined get rid of it, them...whatever, but do it in the off season. We can't go into next season with more of the same. I know some people say we need to be patient with Madge's plan. We have been patient for 10 years too long - 3 of them under Madge's leadership. Time for change.

On the contrary I think the trouble is we *haven't* been patient for ten years. If we'd stuck with any one of our coaches, I have no doubt we would have made the 8 at least a few times.

Cleary - yes definitely would have made the 8, but he decided to up and leave. Potter - possibly. I didn't agree with his sacking at the time.Taylor - no way. Madge - 3 years no improvement....

I'm no fan of Taylor, but why wouldn't he have made the 8 at least once in ten years? He did at Parra and Souths.

 

[TillLindemann]

If we're this bad next year I'd be surprised if he keeps the job.

How many rounds?

They should just do it now.

Hopefully Pascoe doesnt do another Jason Taylor and sack him 3 rounds in wasting the off season

I agree. Apparently there is a review coming up at the end of the season. The season has been terrible and there has been a lot of arguments as to where the problem lies. Whatever the review decides, they need to act on it straight away. I hope that, as part of the review, someone contacts all the players who rejected us and get their opinion of what is wrong at the club. Once the problem is defined get rid of it, them...whatever, but do it in the off season. We can't go into next season with more of the same. I know some people say we need to be patient with Madge's plan. We have been patient for 10 years too long - 3 of them under Madge's leadership. Time for change.

On the contrary I think the trouble is we *haven't* been patient for ten years. If we'd stuck with any one of our coaches, I have no doubt we would have made the 8 at least a few times.

Cleary - yes definitely would have made the 8, but he decided to up and leave. Potter - possibly. I didn't agree with his sacking at the time.Taylor - no way. Madge - 3 years no improvement....

Potter - no
Cleary- yes if Nathan came
Taylor - no
Madge - job to clean the above mess, maybe if allows sheens to help

Every single one of our coaches since Sheens has had at least a degree of success elsewhere. They all at least made the semis at other clubs. Instability and short termism breeds long term failure.

 

[Joel Helmes]

If we're this bad next year I'd be surprised if he keeps the job.

How many rounds?

They should just do it now.

Hopefully Pascoe doesnt do another Jason Taylor and sack him 3 rounds in wasting the off season

I agree. Apparently there is a review coming up at the end of the season. The season has been terrible and there has been a lot of arguments as to where the problem lies. Whatever the review decides, they need to act on it straight away. I hope that, as part of the review, someone contacts all the players who rejected us and get their opinion of what is wrong at the club. Once the problem is defined get rid of it, them...whatever, but do it in the off season. We can't go into next season with more of the same. I know some people say we need to be patient with Madge's plan. We have been patient for 10 years too long - 3 of them under Madge's leadership. Time for change.

On the contrary I think the trouble is we *haven't* been patient for ten years. If we'd stuck with any one of our coaches, I have no doubt we would have made the 8 at least a few times.

Cleary - yes definitely would have made the 8, but he decided to up and leave. Potter - possibly. I didn't agree with his sacking at the time.Taylor - no way. Madge - 3 years no improvement....

Potter - no
Cleary- yes if Nathan came
Taylor - no
Madge - job to clean the above mess, maybe if allows sheens to help

Every single one of our coaches since Sheens has had at least a degree of success elsewhere. They all at least made the semis at other clubs. Instability and short termism breeds long term failure.

You mean Potter and Taylor as assistant coaches?

 

[TillLindemann]

If we're this bad next year I'd be surprised if he keeps the job.

How many rounds?

They should just do it now.

Hopefully Pascoe doesnt do another Jason Taylor and sack him 3 rounds in wasting the off season

I agree. Apparently there is a review coming up at the end of the season. The season has been terrible and there has been a lot of arguments as to where the problem lies. Whatever the review decides, they need to act on it straight away. I hope that, as part of the review, someone contacts all the players who rejected us and get their opinion of what is wrong at the club. Once the problem is defined get rid of it, them...whatever, but do it in the off season. We can't go into next season with more of the same. I know some people say we need to be patient with Madge's plan. We have been patient for 10 years too long - 3 of them under Madge's leadership. Time for change.

On the contrary I think the trouble is we *haven't* been patient for ten years. If we'd stuck with any one of our coaches, I have no doubt we would have made the 8 at least a few times.

Cleary - yes definitely would have made the 8, but he decided to up and leave. Potter - possibly. I didn't agree with his sacking at the time.Taylor - no way. Madge - 3 years no improvement....

Potter - no
Cleary- yes if Nathan came
Taylor - no
Madge - job to clean the above mess, maybe if allows sheens to help

Every single one of our coaches since Sheens has had at least a degree of success elsewhere. They all at least made the semis at other clubs. Instability and short termism breeds long term failure.

You mean Potter and Taylor as assistant coaches?

As head coaches. Taylor made the 8 at Parra and Souths, correct me if I'm wrong, and I think Potter did very well with Catalans?
I'm not even trying to say they're good coaches. I'm trying to say *any* coach could make the 8 at least once if given ten years. Our club failing to make the 8 for the last decade is at least partly due to the instability of having different coaches every few years.

 

[Telltails]

If we're this bad next year I'd be surprised if he keeps the job.

How many rounds?

They should just do it now.

Hopefully Pascoe doesnt do another Jason Taylor and sack him 3 rounds in wasting the off season

I agree. Apparently there is a review coming up at the end of the season. The season has been terrible and there has been a lot of arguments as to where the problem lies. Whatever the review decides, they need to act on it straight away. I hope that, as part of the review, someone contacts all the players who rejected us and get their opinion of what is wrong at the club. Once the problem is defined get rid of it, them...whatever, but do it in the off season. We can't go into next season with more of the same. I know some people say we need to be patient with Madge's plan. We have been patient for 10 years too long - 3 of them under Madge's leadership. Time for change.

On the contrary I think the trouble is we *haven't* been patient for ten years. If we'd stuck with any one of our coaches, I have no doubt we would have made the 8 at least a few times.

Cleary - yes definitely would have made the 8, but he decided to up and leave. Potter - possibly. I didn't agree with his sacking at the time.Taylor - no way. Madge - 3 years no improvement....

Potter - no
Cleary- yes if Nathan came
Taylor - no
Madge - job to clean the above mess, maybe if allows sheens to help

Cleary with the players he spent money on would have got slaughtered under these new rules. He would have been trying to off load them just like Maguire has had to. Whether he could have attracted some other better ones is anyone's guess because he didn't the first time.

 

[avocadoontoast]

If we're this bad next year I'd be surprised if he keeps the job.

How many rounds?

They should just do it now.

Hopefully Pascoe doesnt do another Jason Taylor and sack him 3 rounds in wasting the off season

I agree. Apparently there is a review coming up at the end of the season. The season has been terrible and there has been a lot of arguments as to where the problem lies. Whatever the review decides, they need to act on it straight away. I hope that, as part of the review, someone contacts all the players who rejected us and get their opinion of what is wrong at the club. Once the problem is defined get rid of it, them...whatever, but do it in the off season. We can't go into next season with more of the same. I know some people say we need to be patient with Madge's plan. We have been patient for 10 years too long - 3 of them under Madge's leadership. Time for change.

On the contrary I think the trouble is we *haven't* been patient for ten years. If we'd stuck with any one of our coaches, I have no doubt we would have made the 8 at least a few times.

Cleary - yes definitely would have made the 8, but he decided to up and leave. Potter - possibly. I didn't agree with his sacking at the time.Taylor - no way. Madge - 3 years no improvement....

Potter - no
Cleary- yes if Nathan came
Taylor - no
Madge - job to clean the above mess, maybe if allows sheens to help

Cleary with the players he spent money on would have got slaughtered under these new rules. He would have been trying to off load them just like Maguire has had to. Whether he could have attracted some other better ones is anyone's guess because he didn't the first time.

Players were playing better under Cleary. Brooks is a classic example. He’s a shadow of the player he was under Ivan.

 

[Telltails]

If we're this bad next year I'd be surprised if he keeps the job.

How many rounds?

They should just do it now.

Hopefully Pascoe doesnt do another Jason Taylor and sack him 3 rounds in wasting the off season

I agree. Apparently there is a review coming up at the end of the season. The season has been terrible and there has been a lot of arguments as to where the problem lies. Whatever the review decides, they need to act on it straight away. I hope that, as part of the review, someone contacts all the players who rejected us and get their opinion of what is wrong at the club. Once the problem is defined get rid of it, them...whatever, but do it in the off season. We can't go into next season with more of the same. I know some people say we need to be patient with Madge's plan. We have been patient for 10 years too long - 3 of them under Madge's leadership. Time for change.

On the contrary I think the trouble is we *haven't* been patient for ten years. If we'd stuck with any one of our coaches, I have no doubt we would have made the 8 at least a few times.

Cleary - yes definitely would have made the 8, but he decided to up and leave. Potter - possibly. I didn't agree with his sacking at the time.Taylor - no way. Madge - 3 years no improvement....

Potter - no
Cleary- yes if Nathan came
Taylor - no
Madge - job to clean the above mess, maybe if allows sheens to help

Cleary with the players he spent money on would have got slaughtered under these new rules. He would have been trying to off load them just like Maguire has had to. Whether he could have attracted some other better ones is anyone's guess because he didn't the first time.

Players were playing better under Cleary. Brooks is a classic example. He’s a shadow of the player he was under Ivan.

Brooks plays well when the forwards go well and it has never been any different under who ever coached him. His weaknesses and his strengths have not changed due to coaching more so he is impacted by the performance of the team in general. He is not a match winner and never has been but plays well when the players around him rise to the challenge.

 

[earl]

If we're this bad next year I'd be surprised if he keeps the job.

How many rounds?

They should just do it now.

Hopefully Pascoe doesnt do another Jason Taylor and sack him 3 rounds in wasting the off season

I agree. Apparently there is a review coming up at the end of the season. The season has been terrible and there has been a lot of arguments as to where the problem lies. Whatever the review decides, they need to act on it straight away. I hope that, as part of the review, someone contacts all the players who rejected us and get their opinion of what is wrong at the club. Once the problem is defined get rid of it, them...whatever, but do it in the off season. We can't go into next season with more of the same. I know some people say we need to be patient with Madge's plan. We have been patient for 10 years too long - 3 of them under Madge's leadership. Time for change.

On the contrary I think the trouble is we *haven't* been patient for ten years. If we'd stuck with any one of our coaches, I have no doubt we would have made the 8 at least a few times.

Cleary - yes definitely would have made the 8, but he decided to up and leave. Potter - possibly. I didn't agree with his sacking at the time.Taylor - no way. Madge - 3 years no improvement....

I'm no fan of Taylor, but why wouldn't he have made the 8 at least once in ten years? He did at Parra and Souths.

I have one good reason. You are talking about the Tigers. Any other team and I'd 100% agree with you.

 

[earl]

Players were playing better under Cleary.

I agree. The problem is Cleary was significantly worse for us longer term.

I don't agree on Brooks. He has had plenty of good games this season. I just don't think he is a top tier NRL half.

 

[TrueTiger]

If we're this bad next year I'd be surprised if he keeps the job.

How many rounds?

They should just do it now.

Hopefully Pascoe doesnt do another Jason Taylor and sack him 3 rounds in wasting the off season

I agree. Apparently there is a review coming up at the end of the season. The season has been terrible and there has been a lot of arguments as to where the problem lies. Whatever the review decides, they need to act on it straight away. I hope that, as part of the review, someone contacts all the players who rejected us and get their opinion of what is wrong at the club. Once the problem is defined get rid of it, them...whatever, but do it in the off season. We can't go into next season with more of the same. I know some people say we need to be patient with Madge's plan. We have been patient for 10 years too long - 3 of them under Madge's leadership. Time for change.

On the contrary I think the trouble is we *haven't* been patient for ten years. If we'd stuck with any one of our coaches, I have no doubt we would have made the 8 at least a few times.

Cleary - yes definitely would have made the 8, but he decided to up and leave. Potter - possibly. I didn't agree with his sacking at the time.Taylor - no way. Madge - 3 years no improvement....

Potter - no
Cleary- yes if Nathan came
Taylor - no
Madge - job to clean the above mess, maybe if allows sheens to help

Every single one of our coaches since Sheens has had at least a degree of success elsewhere. They all at least made the semis at other clubs. Instability and short termism breeds long term failure.

You mean Potter and Taylor as assistant coaches?

Potter was a good coach and had the guys in the right space for success ....if he had the backing of a stronger board he could have laid a reasonable platform for the team to play finals....
the rotten culture of the boys club overuled the board...end of a good person and coaching career....
Madge comes in with a hard nosed approach to get the players to understand whats needed and low and behold the boys club were at it again,but this time they failed,Benji moved on for starters and just to make matters worse they extend the manaquin they call a winger for more years and he was part of the group that said Madge was to hard...
I dont think Madge will succeed until these young guys develop further,how long he has to prove himself is up to the playing group who call themselves WTs ...

 

[pawsandclaws1]

If we're this bad next year I'd be surprised if he keeps the job.

How many rounds?

They should just do it now.

Hopefully Pascoe doesnt do another Jason Taylor and sack him 3 rounds in wasting the off season

I agree. Apparently there is a review coming up at the end of the season. The season has been terrible and there has been a lot of arguments as to where the problem lies. Whatever the review decides, they need to act on it straight away. I hope that, as part of the review, someone contacts all the players who rejected us and get their opinion of what is wrong at the club. Once the problem is defined get rid of it, them...whatever, but do it in the off season. We can't go into next season with more of the same. I know some people say we need to be patient with Madge's plan. We have been patient for 10 years too long - 3 of them under Madge's leadership. Time for change.

On the contrary I think the trouble is we *haven't* been patient for ten years. If we'd stuck with any one of our coaches, I have no doubt we would have made the 8 at least a few times.

Cleary - yes definitely would have made the 8, but he decided to up and leave. Potter - possibly. I didn't agree with his sacking at the time.Taylor - no way. Madge - 3 years no improvement....

Potter - no
Cleary- yes if Nathan came
Taylor - no
Madge - job to clean the above mess, maybe if allows sheens to help

Every single one of our coaches since Sheens has had at least a degree of success elsewhere. They all at least made the semis at other clubs. Instability and short termism breeds long term failure.

You mean Potter and Taylor as assistant coaches?

Potter was a good coach and had the guys in the right space for success ....if he had the backing of a stronger board he could have laid a reasonable platform for the team to play finals....
the rotten culture of the boys club overuled the board...end of a good person and coaching career....
Madge comes in with a hard nosed approach to get the players to understand whats needed and low and behold the boys club were at it again,but this time they failed,Benji moved on for starters and just to make matters worse they extend the manaquin they call a winger for more years and he was part of the group that said Madge was to hard...
I dont think Madge will succeed until these young guys develop further,how long he has to prove himself is up to the playing group who call themselves WTs ...

A hard nosed approach is not necessarily the smart way of getting the best from a playing group.

 

[TrueTiger]

If we're this bad next year I'd be surprised if he keeps the job.

How many rounds?

They should just do it now.

Hopefully Pascoe doesnt do another Jason Taylor and sack him 3 rounds in wasting the off season

I agree. Apparently there is a review coming up at the end of the season. The season has been terrible and there has been a lot of arguments as to where the problem lies. Whatever the review decides, they need to act on it straight away. I hope that, as part of the review, someone contacts all the players who rejected us and get their opinion of what is wrong at the club. Once the problem is defined get rid of it, them...whatever, but do it in the off season. We can't go into next season with more of the same. I know some people say we need to be patient with Madge's plan. We have been patient for 10 years too long - 3 of them under Madge's leadership. Time for change.

On the contrary I think the trouble is we *haven't* been patient for ten years. If we'd stuck with any one of our coaches, I have no doubt we would have made the 8 at least a few times.

Cleary - yes definitely would have made the 8, but he decided to up and leave. Potter - possibly. I didn't agree with his sacking at the time.Taylor - no way. Madge - 3 years no improvement....

Potter - no
Cleary- yes if Nathan came
Taylor - no
Madge - job to clean the above mess, maybe if allows sheens to help

Every single one of our coaches since Sheens has had at least a degree of success elsewhere. They all at least made the semis at other clubs. Instability and short termism breeds long term failure.

You mean Potter and Taylor as assistant coaches?

Potter was a good coach and had the guys in the right space for success ....if he had the backing of a stronger board he could have laid a reasonable platform for the team to play finals....
the rotten culture of the boys club overuled the board...end of a good person and coaching career....
Madge comes in with a hard nosed approach to get the players to understand whats needed and low and behold the boys club were at it again,but this time they failed,Benji moved on for starters and just to make matters worse they extend the manaquin they call a winger for more years and he was part of the group that said Madge was to hard...
I dont think Madge will succeed until these young guys develop further,how long he has to prove himself is up to the playing group who call themselves WTs ...

A hard nosed approach is not necessarily the smart way of getting the best from a playing group.

Yes I agree to a point,however its a tough game and you need to be prepared for the rigours and grind of NRL week to week.....

 

[tony soprano]

If we're this bad next year I'd be surprised if he keeps the job.

How many rounds?

They should just do it now.

Hopefully Pascoe doesnt do another Jason Taylor and sack him 3 rounds in wasting the off season

I agree. Apparently there is a review coming up at the end of the season. The season has been terrible and there has been a lot of arguments as to where the problem lies. Whatever the review decides, they need to act on it straight away. I hope that, as part of the review, someone contacts all the players who rejected us and get their opinion of what is wrong at the club. Once the problem is defined get rid of it, them...whatever, but do it in the off season. We can't go into next season with more of the same. I know some people say we need to be patient with Madge's plan. We have been patient for 10 years too long - 3 of them under Madge's leadership. Time for change.

On the contrary I think the trouble is we *haven't* been patient for ten years. If we'd stuck with any one of our coaches, I have no doubt we would have made the 8 at least a few times.

Cleary - yes definitely would have made the 8, but he decided to up and leave. Potter - possibly. I didn't agree with his sacking at the time.Taylor - no way. Madge - 3 years no improvement....

Potter - no
Cleary- yes if Nathan came
Taylor - no
Madge - job to clean the above mess, maybe if allows sheens to help

Every single one of our coaches since Sheens has had at least a degree of success elsewhere. They all at least made the semis at other clubs. Instability and short termism breeds long term failure.

One man had what it takes

 

[tony soprano]

I think these last 2 games should be the trigger point for acting or not. Team performs better OK stay for the next season, team continues on its bumbling, incoherent way, bye bye Maguire (and around 7 to 10 of the existing squad). That gives off season to do a formal review and get a new coach giving them ability to purchase whatever new players they can and promote from wihtin.

Any new coach can be told they must work within the parameters of the developing WT plan, just a Maguire can.

I also think Hartigan is surplus to our needs now, since we are going to develop from within we dont need a specialised recruitment officer to look fro talent from outside. We will have Head coach (fill in name here), that bloke who i cant recall name of that works considering player stats and worth, Sheens and Pascoe with Kimmorley keeping his eyes on the junior squads. Surely that is enoughif we arent going to regualryl try to get talent from outside the pool of WT developed product- an individual approach to either club or the player coming off contract doesnt need Hartigan anymore surely.

Hartigan is instrumental to our success, getting in before the bigger clubs to sign young talent. With the network of school teachers, spies, scouts etc we can stay ahead of the bigger clubs. With Sheens aboard the face of WTs is much more palatable for potential recruits.

I'm yet to see his worth and suspect he's out of his depth.

 

[Bones]

If we're this bad next year I'd be surprised if he keeps the job.

How many rounds?

They should just do it now.

Hopefully Pascoe doesnt do another Jason Taylor and sack him 3 rounds in wasting the off season

I agree. Apparently there is a review coming up at the end of the season. The season has been terrible and there has been a lot of arguments as to where the problem lies. Whatever the review decides, they need to act on it straight away. I hope that, as part of the review, someone contacts all the players who rejected us and get their opinion of what is wrong at the club. Once the problem is defined get rid of it, them...whatever, but do it in the off season. We can't go into next season with more of the same. I know some people say we need to be patient with Madge's plan. We have been patient for 10 years too long - 3 of them under Madge's leadership. Time for change.

On the contrary I think the trouble is we *haven't* been patient for ten years. If we'd stuck with any one of our coaches, I have no doubt we would have made the 8 at least a few times.

Cleary - yes definitely would have made the 8, but he decided to up and leave. Potter - possibly. I didn't agree with his sacking at the time.Taylor - no way. Madge - 3 years no improvement....

Potter - no
Cleary- yes if Nathan came
Taylor - no
Madge - job to clean the above mess, maybe if allows sheens to help

Every single one of our coaches since Sheens has had at least a degree of success elsewhere. They all at least made the semis at other clubs. Instability and short termism breeds long term failure.

You mean Potter and Taylor as assistant coaches?

Potter was a good coach and had the guys in the right space for success ....if he had the backing of a stronger board he could have laid a reasonable platform for the team to play finals....
the rotten culture of the boys club overuled the board...end of a good person and coaching career....
Madge comes in with a hard nosed approach to get the players to understand whats needed and low and behold the boys club were at it again,but this time they failed,Benji moved on for starters and just to make matters worse they extend the manaquin they call a winger for more years and he was part of the group that said Madge was to hard...
I dont think Madge will succeed until these young guys develop further,how long he has to prove himself is up to the playing group who call themselves WTs ...

A hard nosed approach is not necessarily the smart way of getting the best from a playing group.

Yes I agree to a point,however its a tough game and you need to be prepared for the rigours and grind of NRL week to week.....

If you look at the top 2 teams 1 has an easy going manner and the other is about as tough as you can get. There is no right or wrong, its just different. It's kind of like putting to toilet roll on the holder, either way will get the job done (although everyone knows rolling off the front is the real correct answer :grin🙂

 

[Snake]

I think these last 2 games should be the trigger point for acting or not. Team performs better OK stay for the next season, team continues on its bumbling, incoherent way, bye bye Maguire (and around 7 to 10 of the existing squad). That gives off season to do a formal review and get a new coach giving them ability to purchase whatever new players they can and promote from wihtin.

Any new coach can be told they must work within the parameters of the developing WT plan, just a Maguire can.

I also think Hartigan is surplus to our needs now, since we are going to develop from within we dont need a specialised recruitment officer to look fro talent from outside. We will have Head coach (fill in name here), that bloke who i cant recall name of that works considering player stats and worth, Sheens and Pascoe with Kimmorley keeping his eyes on the junior squads. Surely that is enoughif we arent going to regualryl try to get talent from outside the pool of WT developed product- an individual approach to either club or the player coming off contract doesnt need Hartigan anymore surely.

Hartigan is instrumental to our success, getting in before the bigger clubs to sign young talent. With the network of school teachers, spies, scouts etc we can stay ahead of the bigger clubs. With Sheens aboardtherbrubbetbstampped . the face of WTs is much more palatable for potential recruits.

I'm yet to see his worth and suspect he's out of his depth.

Let’s see if he can unearth a new 5/8 before next season starts . As continuing with Brooks at 7 is the club conceding that failure is acceptable and being rubber stamped!

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I think these last 2 games should be the trigger point for acting or not. Team performs better OK stay for the next season, team continues on its bumbling, incoherent way, bye bye Maguire (and around 7 to 10 of the existing squad). That gives off season to do a formal review and get a new coach giving them ability to purchase whatever new players they can and promote from wihtin.

Any new coach can be told they must work within the parameters of the developing WT plan, just a Maguire can.

I also think Hartigan is surplus to our needs now, since we are going to develop from within we dont need a specialised recruitment officer to look fro talent from outside. We will have Head coach (fill in name here), that bloke who i cant recall name of that works considering player stats and worth, Sheens and Pascoe with Kimmorley keeping his eyes on the junior squads. Surely that is enoughif we arent going to regualryl try to get talent from outside the pool of WT developed product- an individual approach to either club or the player coming off contract doesnt need Hartigan anymore surely.

Hartigan is instrumental to our success, getting in before the bigger clubs to sign young talent. With the network of school teachers, spies, scouts etc we can stay ahead of the bigger clubs. With Sheens aboard the face of WTs is much more palatable for potential recruits.

I'm yet to see his worth and suspect he's out of his depth.

I suspect his worth will be seen next year and the years after. I have no concerns in relation to his value. I do have concerns with Maguire getting his hands on these players. I feel the need for an innovative coach who coaches expansive attacking football with good defence, perhaps a Sheens' protege.

 

[TrueTiger]

I think these last 2 games should be the trigger point for acting or not. Team performs better OK stay for the next season, team continues on its bumbling, incoherent way, bye bye Maguire (and around 7 to 10 of the existing squad). That gives off season to do a formal review and get a new coach giving them ability to purchase whatever new players they can and promote from wihtin.

Any new coach can be told they must work within the parameters of the developing WT plan, just a Maguire can.

I also think Hartigan is surplus to our needs now, since we are going to develop from within we dont need a specialised recruitment officer to look fro talent from outside. We will have Head coach (fill in name here), that bloke who i cant recall name of that works considering player stats and worth, Sheens and Pascoe with Kimmorley keeping his eyes on the junior squads. Surely that is enoughif we arent going to regualryl try to get talent from outside the pool of WT developed product- an individual approach to either club or the player coming off contract doesnt need Hartigan anymore surely.

Hartigan is instrumental to our success, getting in before the bigger clubs to sign young talent. With the network of school teachers, spies, scouts etc we can stay ahead of the bigger clubs. With Sheens aboard the face of WTs is much more palatable for potential recruits.

I'm yet to see his worth and suspect he's out of his depth.

I suspect his worth will be seen next year and the years after. I have no concerns in relation to his value. I do have concerns with Maguire getting his hands on these players. I feel the need for an innovative coach who coaches expansive attacking football with good defence, perhaps a Sheens' protege.

Paws,I and many know how much you want to get rid of Madge because results dont suit atm,however in saying that,the majority of the young guys love being coached by Madge and he definately only wants them to succeed and have long playing careers in the NRL..
He has Stef,Laurie and AD as eg,leading the way in development,they are young and prone to make mistakes,but then again some of the longer serving NRL players are just as prone to making mistakes...
As much as the haters of Madge dont like his style or hard approach,his care for the younger players is second to none.....

 

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I think these last 2 games should be the trigger point for acting or not. Team performs better OK stay for the next season, team continues on its bumbling, incoherent way, bye bye Maguire (and around 7 to 10 of the existing squad). That gives off season to do a formal review and get a new coach giving them ability to purchase whatever new players they can and promote from wihtin.

Any new coach can be told they must work within the parameters of the developing WT plan, just a Maguire can.

I also think Hartigan is surplus to our needs now, since we are going to develop from within we dont need a specialised recruitment officer to look fro talent from outside. We will have Head coach (fill in name here), that bloke who i cant recall name of that works considering player stats and worth, Sheens and Pascoe with Kimmorley keeping his eyes on the junior squads. Surely that is enoughif we arent going to regualryl try to get talent from outside the pool of WT developed product- an individual approach to either club or the player coming off contract doesnt need Hartigan anymore surely.

Hartigan is instrumental to our success, getting in before the bigger clubs to sign young talent. With the network of school teachers, spies, scouts etc we can stay ahead of the bigger clubs. With Sheens aboard the face of WTs is much more palatable for potential recruits.

I'm yet to see his worth and suspect he's out of his depth.

I suspect you are wrong