Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[cochise]

I dont think the club is dumb enough to punt Madge.
He isnt perfect, but
He is the only one with a heart beat in the joint.
Were lucky if he stays.

I have been 100% in this camp until now. THere is clearly something badly broken and it is not being fixed. The most likely problem is the coach. It is possible that somehow its not Madges fault, but somehow the board, but less likely IMO.

Disagree 5150



* We buy the wrong players
* Pay them too much
* Don't make them accountable for their performance's

Why don't we put more on the Management team ?

We have been a basket case of a club for more than the last 3 years. This isn't Madge's fault alone.

15 Years of mostly garbage and inconsistency.

We are worse than when he got here.

 

[TigerWest]

Madge is gone. I hope brooks the white ant is gone with him.

People in this forum have been bleating for years that Madge cant coach (I have not been one of them) but when there is a report stating the Brooks agrees with them, he is a white ant now?

Sugar, where did Brooks bring that pearler out? Maybe he did tank? He played like he was?

 

[WT2K]

Blog with Hooper should be good reading. Afternoon story time followed by a nap

This was good, builds up the suspense:
Maguire and Hartigan also had a major blow-up inside the club’s bubble in Brisbane as the blame game around who is more responsible for the lack of on-field results was thrashed out.

Too long to post the rest. https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2021-blog-with-hoops-wests-tigers-michael-maguire-justin-pascoe-players-bulldogs/news-story/88e9828d5f6599a62a0e5df8f1813239

 

[kiwitiger]

Pascoe and Hartigan conducting the review. Obviously it is not their fault & so Madge will be moved on.

Your joking about those 2 conducting the review right?

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/dead-coach-walking-ugly-rift-shows-its-over/news-story/3d5a0073dd03a1eada91851935631dd4?from=rss-flipboard

The Tigers are about to commence a post-season review led by CEO Justin Pascoe and head of football Adam Hartigan and Sunday’s humiliating loss certainly doesn’t put Maguire in good stead.

Wow just wow. AH and JP should be reviewed at the same time. Might as well get nofa to review the playing group as well.

 

[Shooter Mcgavin]

I don’t think Madge is the problem, don’t think he is the solution though.

- use of the bench is off
- scared of hiring decent assistants?
- authoritative style…pure speculation but having a lot of softer spoken islander guys in the team and no smart senior players to mediate is an issue

 

[Shooter Mcgavin]

Pascoe and Hartigan conducting the review. Obviously it is not their fault & so Madge will be moved on.

Your joking about those 2 conducting the review right?

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/dead-coach-walking-ugly-rift-shows-its-over/news-story/3d5a0073dd03a1eada91851935631dd4?from=rss-flipboard

The Tigers are about to commence a post-season review led by CEO Justin Pascoe and head of football Adam Hartigan and Sunday’s humiliating loss certainly doesn’t put Maguire in good stead.

Wow just wow. AH and JP should be reviewed at the same time. Might as well get nofa to review the playing group as well.

Prayers go out to the A and B defenders ?

 

[Tigerdave]

“That’s one thing I’ve spoken about quite a bit, about the transformation that we’re doing at the club."

Which would be fine and every single supporter should realise it takes time, but after 3 years, there's been no improvement, we've gone backwards.....

If we won on Sunday, if there were a lot more close losses, I'd expect the supporter base and club would be more patient.

 

[yeahcaz]

I can cope with Maguire staying if Brooks leaves. That’s the most necessary divorce in the game right now.

 

[TillLindemann]

Which would be fine and every single supporter should realise it takes time, but after 3 years, there’s been no improvement, we’ve gone backwards…

But it's a totally different squad to 3 years ago, a squad that is now the youngest in the NRL.

 

[Telltails]

Madge has only had success in the NRL with a team that had Greg Inglis (in his peak), Luke Keary and Adam Reynolds as halves (Legit perfect halves pairing), Sam Burgess (in his peak) and two hookers of Isaac Luke (in his peak) and a handy replacement in Api Korisau.

If we're not going to count premierships that have good players in the team, we're not going to be counting many premierships at all. Clubs like the Roosters have fielded teams where every.single.player is a representative.

I understand it's an achievement but I really don't think it's as relevant as everyone is making it out to be. People seem to put Madge in a tier above others because of that prem, which is ludicrous to me considering the talent. He's about the same as Paul Green. He has shown NOTHING since that premiership.

Answer me this: why do people think he's a good coach? (Without mentioning 2014)

I think he is a good coach....prior to thr game becoming modern..e.g. becoming faster

Its moved away from his ideal style of footy in 2014

Thats my take on it anyway

Exactly why he should be moved on. He cannot adapt. The best coaches do: Hasler, Bellamy

Des is the perfect example of how rosters determine a coaches fate. The Bulldogs couldn't wait to see the back of him due to his coaching -
and stifling of creativity. Now overseeing one of the most naturally gifted rosters in the comp and he gets his cred back.

 

[Papacito]

I honestly don't understand how a new coach will do anything.

The team we had out on the park yesterday were rejects from other clubs and most are on contract next year.

 

[Geo]

Madge has only had success in the NRL with a team that had Greg Inglis (in his peak), Luke Keary and Adam Reynolds as halves (Legit perfect halves pairing), Sam Burgess (in his peak) and two hookers of Isaac Luke (in his peak) and a handy replacement in Api Korisau.

If we're not going to count premierships that have good players in the team, we're not going to be counting many premierships at all. Clubs like the Roosters have fielded teams where every.single.player is a representative.

I understand it's an achievement but I really don't think it's as relevant as everyone is making it out to be. People seem to put Madge in a tier above others because of that prem, which is ludicrous to me considering the talent. He's about the same as Paul Green. He has shown NOTHING since that premiership.

Answer me this: why do people think he's a good coach? (Without mentioning 2014)

I think he is a good coach....prior to thr game becoming modern..e.g. becoming faster

Its moved away from his ideal style of footy in 2014

Thats my take on it anyway

Exactly why he should be moved on. He cannot adapt. The best coaches do: Hasler, Bellamy

Des is the perfect example of how rosters determine a coaches fate. The Bulldogs couldn't wait to see the back of him due to his coaching -
and stifling of creativity. Now overseeing one of the most naturally gifted rosters in the comp and he gets his cred back.

Des has a very simple game plan as well from 2001..give it to Trbojevic...

 

[Tiger5150]

I can cope with Maguire staying if Brooks leaves. That’s the most necessary divorce in the game right now.

What about vice versa?

To all the Brooks haters. Brooks was Dally M 3 years ago. Would you be prepared to see what another (good) coach could do with him?

 

[Tigerdave]

Which would be fine and every single supporter should realise it takes time, but after 3 years, there’s been no improvement, we’ve gone backwards…

But it's a totally different squad to 3 years ago, a squad that is now the youngest in the NRL.

It is, but there's been zero signs of any type of improvement.

Yesterday's game demonstrated some massive problems, there's a clear disconnect between the players and the coaching staff.

 

[bptiger 0]

I think a lot of people on here just don’t grasp what the coach should be able to achieve.
If he cannot get the players to buy into his defensive plan over 24 weeks then next year will be no difference.
If the coach can’t get them to play simple plays like the rabbits and Penrith do over 24 weeks

 

[Newtown]

I honestly don't understand how a new coach will do anything.

The team we had out on the park yesterday were rejects from other clubs and most are on contract next year.

Go back to the reason why Souths sacked Madge a few years back.

 

[tony soprano]

Roy masters article is good

 

[avocadoontoast]

Damning feedback that could end Maguire’s tenure and open door for new coaching dream team
Michael Chammas
By Michael Chammas
September 6, 2021 — 3.45pm

Damning revelations surfacing in the Wests Tigers’ end-of-season review have cast serious doubt over embattled coach Michael Maguire’s defensive strategies at the club.

The Herald has learned that a common theme that has emerged from interviews with players and staff which began last week is a belief from some that Maguire has been unable to communicate a definitive defensive system to improve the team.

The Tigers have been diabolical in defence this year - conceding the second most points in a season in the club’s 22-year history - and suggestions from within that there is a lack of strategy and game plan around defence will do little to pacify concerned club powerbrokers.

The Tigers’ defensive woes were laid bare in the 38-0 defeat to last-placed Canterbury Bulldogs on Sunday, a result which is now etched into the record books as the biggest loss by any team against a side coming last. The result appears to be the final nail in the coffin of Maguire’s failed three-year tenure.

While the Tigers want to complete their annual internal review before contemplating whether they should explore alternative options, external debate over who should replace Maguire will intensify in coming days.

Penrith’s assistant coach Cameron Ciraldo is considered by many within the game as the best young mentor without a head coaching job, and his achievements at the Panthers suggest he would be high on the Tigers’ list of targets.

Those who know Ciraldo say they don’t believe he would be willing to leave Penrith to take on the role at the Tigers. However, he has a clause in his deal with Penrith that would allow him to take on a head coaching role at another club.

Ciraldo is the defence coach under Ivan Cleary and the Panthers have had the best defensive record in the competition for the past two years.

The Panthers have conceded 524 points in the past two seasons, averaging less than 12 points against per game. To put that in perspective, the Tigers have conceded 714 points this season alone at an average of almost 30 points a game.

Ciraldo is renowned for his strong relationship with the younger players at Penrith, a skill that will be required to help improve the Tigers' inexperienced but talented roster.
As reported by the Herald over the weekend, Maguire wasn’t thrilled about the appointment of the club’s 2005 premiership-winning coach, Tim Sheens.

The club appointed Sheens without Maguire’s knowledge, but Sheens’ role was limited to pathways and development, kept out of football operations.

The appointment of a defence-minded rookie coach like Ciraldo could allow the Tigers to bring Sheens back into the fold to mentor Ciraldo and provide the attacking prowess that he is renowned for.

Sheens, who is now residing in England, isn't due to arrive back in Australia until the end of October because of COVID-19 related delays. He has been assisting with the club's internal review.

Chairman Lee Hagipantelis, who a few weeks ago said Maguire’s two-year tenure at the club wasn’t under threat, appears to have had a change of heart.

"I'm not in a position to speculate on anything until such time as the review process has been complete," Hagipantelis told the Herald on Monday morning.

"It would be inappropriate for me to do so. There's a full board to discuss those matters and determine a path forward."

Former Sharks coach Shane Flanagan, who led Cronulla to a premiership in 2016, is understood to be interested in the job if it becomes vacant.

Flanagan’s strongest quality is his history of recruiting big-name players at Cronulla. It’s an area where the Tigers have struggled under Maguire.

Wayne Bennett would be the club's best option considering his comments over the weekend about his regret in turning down the Tigers job in 2018.

However, Bennett is telling people that he plans to return to live in Queensland next year and has been linked to the expansion team in 2023 or 2024.

Other options include St Helens and Tonga coach Kristian Woolf, Queensland Origin coach Paul Green, NSW Origin coach Brad Fittler, ex-Sharks coach John Morris and Catalans coach Steve McNamara, who was once Trent Robinson's assistant at the Roosters.

There is also speculation that both Parramatta’s Brad Arthur and North Queensland’s Todd Payten are both under pressure at their respective clubs which could provide the Tigers with some food for thought in the coming weeks.

 

[TIGERPOWER]

Madge is gone. I hope brooks the white ant is gone with him.

People in this forum have been bleating for years that Madge cant coach (I have not been one of them) but when there is a report stating the Brooks agrees with them, he is a white ant now?

I’m a madge supporter. But have also realised that madge can’t coach now. Realised a long time ago that brooks is no good.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Blog with Hooper should be good reading. Afternoon story time followed by a nap

This was good, builds up the suspense:
Maguire and Hartigan also had a major blow-up inside the club’s bubble in Brisbane as the blame game around who is more responsible for the lack of on-field results was thrashed out.

Too long to post the rest. https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/nrl-2021-blog-with-hoops-wests-tigers-michael-maguire-justin-pascoe-players-bulldogs/news-story/88e9828d5f6599a62a0e5df8f1813239

Some of Maguire's competitors have read the tea leaves and some cheeky ones have submitted their EOIs for the coaching role!