Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[The_Patriot]

I mean it’s not totally doom and gloom for a young coach like Ciraldo. Tim sheens in the background, New COE, Ton of cap space and a good relationship with younger players, some that he would know from Penrith. It could be an enticing offer

It will end in tears, because, as I tried telling people when a Taylor got sacked, the issues run much deeper than the coach. Only now people are catching on. This place is cancer.

Always find a way to bring Taylor back into the conversation. Taylor is the worst coach this club has ever had and probably the reason we are in the position we are in today. Madge will fall on his sword but atleast he made the changes required to move us in the right direction .

Agreed. he played a massive role in placing us in this position.

 

[yeahcaz]

Madge has only had success in the NRL with a team that had Greg Inglis (in his peak), Luke Keary and Adam Reynolds as halves (Legit perfect halves pairing), Sam Burgess (in his peak) and two hookers of Isaac Luke (in his peak) and a handy replacement in Api Korisau.

If we're not going to count premierships that have good players in the team, we're not going to be counting many premierships at all. Clubs like the Roosters have fielded teams where every.single.player is a representative.

I understand it's an achievement but I really don't think it's as relevant as everyone is making it out to be. People seem to put Madge in a tier above others because of that prem, which is ludicrous to me considering the talent. He's about the same as Paul Green. He has shown NOTHING since that premiership.

Answer me this: why do people think he's a good coach? (Without mentioning 2014)

I think he is a good coach....prior to thr game becoming modern..e.g. becoming faster

Its moved away from his ideal style of footy in 2014

Thats my take on it anyway

Exactly why he should be moved on. He cannot adapt. The best coaches do: Hasler, Bellamy

Des is the perfect example of how rosters determine a coaches fate. The Bulldogs couldn't wait to see the back of him due to his coaching -
and stifling of creativity. Now overseeing one of the most naturally gifted rosters in the comp and he gets his cred back.

Des has a very simple game plan as well from 2001..give it to Trbojevic...

Yeah but he's a genius in inventing ways to get it to Trbojevic.

100% to this. Go back and watch the first Jake Turbo try on the weekend. We could only dream of our spine combining like that

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I mean it’s not totally doom and gloom for a young coach like Ciraldo. Tim sheens in the background, New COE, Ton of cap space and a good relationship with younger players, some that he would know from Penrith. It could be an enticing offer

It will end in tears, because, as I tried telling people when a Taylor got sacked, the issues run much deeper than the coach. Only now people are catching on. This place is cancer.

Always find a way to bring Taylor back into the conversation. Taylor is the worst coach this club has ever had and probably the reason we are in the position we are in today. Madge will fall on his sword but atleast he made the changes required to move us in the right direction .

I do it to get a rise out of people like you, and you never disappoint

Okay mrs Taylor lol lol lol

If you can’t see truth in that statement and that issues run deeper than the coach, no matter who that is. Well, you must not follow this club too closely

 

[TIGERPOWER]

Madge has only had success in the NRL with a team that had Greg Inglis (in his peak), Luke Keary and Adam Reynolds as halves (Legit perfect halves pairing), Sam Burgess (in his peak) and two hookers of Isaac Luke (in his peak) and a handy replacement in Api Korisau.

If we're not going to count premierships that have good players in the team, we're not going to be counting many premierships at all. Clubs like the Roosters have fielded teams where every.single.player is a representative.

I understand it's an achievement but I really don't think it's as relevant as everyone is making it out to be. People seem to put Madge in a tier above others because of that prem, which is ludicrous to me considering the talent. He's about the same as Paul Green. He has shown NOTHING since that premiership.

Answer me this: why do people think he's a good coach? (Without mentioning 2014)

I think he is a good coach....prior to thr game becoming modern..e.g. becoming faster

Its moved away from his ideal style of footy in 2014

Thats my take on it anyway

Exactly why he should be moved on. He cannot adapt. The best coaches do: Hasler, Bellamy

Des is the perfect example of how rosters determine a coaches fate. The Bulldogs couldn't wait to see the back of him due to his coaching -
and stifling of creativity. Now overseeing one of the most naturally gifted rosters in the comp and he gets his cred back.

Des has a very simple game plan as well from 2001..give it to Trbojevic...

Yeah but he's a genius in inventing ways to get it to Trbojevic.

100% to this. Go back and watch the first Jake Turbo try on the weekend. We could only dream of our spine combining like that

They have a proper number 7 who owns that team. Something we can only dream of.

 

[TIGERPOWER]

I mean it’s not totally doom and gloom for a young coach like Ciraldo. Tim sheens in the background, New COE, Ton of cap space and a good relationship with younger players, some that he would know from Penrith. It could be an enticing offer

It will end in tears, because, as I tried telling people when a Taylor got sacked, the issues run much deeper than the coach. Only now people are catching on. This place is cancer.

Always find a way to bring Taylor back into the conversation. Taylor is the worst coach this club has ever had and probably the reason we are in the position we are in today. Madge will fall on his sword but atleast he made the changes required to move us in the right direction .

I do it to get a rise out of people like you, and you never disappoint

Okay mrs Taylor lol lol lol

If you can’t see truth in that statement and that issues run deeper than the coach, no matter who that is. Well, you must not follow this club too closely

I can and would have liked your comment if you weren’t trying to justify Jason Taylor again. I have posted multiple times about how disgraceful the players are and how they should have a hard look at themselves. If the club is serious about turning this club around then 3 people need to go and they are Pascoe, brooks and madge. Most of the deadwood has been weeded out ( packer, mbye, Reynolds, bj… etc).

 

[Tiger-ferret]

Madge has only had success in the NRL with a team that had Greg Inglis (in his peak), Luke Keary and Adam Reynolds as halves (Legit perfect halves pairing), Sam Burgess (in his peak) and two hookers of Isaac Luke (in his peak) and a handy replacement in Api Korisau.

If we're not going to count premierships that have good players in the team, we're not going to be counting many premierships at all. Clubs like the Roosters have fielded teams where every.single.player is a representative.

I understand it's an achievement but I really don't think it's as relevant as everyone is making it out to be. People seem to put Madge in a tier above others because of that prem, which is ludicrous to me considering the talent. He's about the same as Paul Green.

He is *definitely* in a tier above Green, Morris, Ciraldo, Payten, etc.

If the Souths premiership was his only success maybe you could say he fluked it, but he also won a premiership in a different comp with totally different players, and he has had success as a test coach with NZ. To have success in three different forms of our sport suggests he is in fact very adaptable, in contrast with the clichés self-serving media commentators trot out about him.

He started his time at WT with a screwed cap and the oldest squad in the NRL, now he has the youngest squad in the NRL. He should be judged on how he progresses with those youngsters, not judged on how he went with inherited duds like Mbye, Reynolds, Packer etc. But looks like he won't get that chance because of the jokers who run this club.

Just because he had success in the super league and some success at international level doesn't show that he is above someone like Green at NRL LEVEL, who has the same accolades as him at NRL level, which is what matters to you lot. He is at the same level as Green, if we're using accolades to measure, which is what everyone seems to use when judging him. You can't say he's better than Green in the NRL, when they both have 1 NRL premiership. It's so weird to me that people place him on this tier above coaches like Green.

Also Paul Green has not coached at international level or in the super league. So it's only fair we compare what they have achieved in the hardest RL comp in the world.

Answer me this: why is he a good coach? (Without mentioning accolades)

That’s like telling my child why they should eat their broccoli without mentioning it’s good for them.

 

[jrtiger]

Damning feedback that could end Maguire’s tenure and open door for new coaching dream team
Michael Chammas
By Michael Chammas
September 6, 2021 — 3.45pm

Damning revelations surfacing in the Wests Tigers’ end-of-season review have cast serious doubt over embattled coach Michael Maguire’s defensive strategies at the club.

The Herald has learned that a common theme that has emerged from interviews with players and staff which began last week is a belief from some that Maguire has been unable to communicate a definitive defensive system to improve the team.

The Tigers have been diabolical in defence this year - conceding the second most points in a season in the club’s 22-year history - and suggestions from within that there is a lack of strategy and game plan around defence will do little to pacify concerned club powerbrokers.

The Tigers’ defensive woes were laid bare in the 38-0 defeat to last-placed Canterbury Bulldogs on Sunday, a result which is now etched into the record books as the biggest loss by any team against a side coming last. The result appears to be the final nail in the coffin of Maguire’s failed three-year tenure.

While the Tigers want to complete their annual internal review before contemplating whether they should explore alternative options, external debate over who should replace Maguire will intensify in coming days.

Penrith’s assistant coach Cameron Ciraldo is considered by many within the game as the best young mentor without a head coaching job, and his achievements at the Panthers suggest he would be high on the Tigers’ list of targets.

Those who know Ciraldo say they don’t believe he would be willing to leave Penrith to take on the role at the Tigers. However, he has a clause in his deal with Penrith that would allow him to take on a head coaching role at another club.

Ciraldo is the defence coach under Ivan Cleary and the Panthers have had the best defensive record in the competition for the past two years.

The Panthers have conceded 524 points in the past two seasons, averaging less than 12 points against per game. To put that in perspective, the Tigers have conceded 714 points this season alone at an average of almost 30 points a game.

Ciraldo is renowned for his strong relationship with the younger players at Penrith, a skill that will be required to help improve the Tigers' inexperienced but talented roster.
As reported by the Herald over the weekend, Maguire wasn’t thrilled about the appointment of the club’s 2005 premiership-winning coach, Tim Sheens.

The club appointed Sheens without Maguire’s knowledge, but Sheens’ role was limited to pathways and development, kept out of football operations.

The appointment of a defence-minded rookie coach like Ciraldo could allow the Tigers to bring Sheens back into the fold to mentor Ciraldo and provide the attacking prowess that he is renowned for.

Sheens, who is now residing in England, isn't due to arrive back in Australia until the end of October because of COVID-19 related delays. He has been assisting with the club's internal review.

Chairman Lee Hagipantelis, who a few weeks ago said Maguire’s two-year tenure at the club wasn’t under threat, appears to have had a change of heart.

"I'm not in a position to speculate on anything until such time as the review process has been complete," Hagipantelis told the Herald on Monday morning.

"It would be inappropriate for me to do so. There's a full board to discuss those matters and determine a path forward."

Former Sharks coach Shane Flanagan, who led Cronulla to a premiership in 2016, is understood to be interested in the job if it becomes vacant.

Flanagan’s strongest quality is his history of recruiting big-name players at Cronulla. It’s an area where the Tigers have struggled under Maguire.

Wayne Bennett would be the club's best option considering his comments over the weekend about his regret in turning down the Tigers job in 2018.

However, Bennett is telling people that he plans to return to live in Queensland next year and has been linked to the expansion team in 2023 or 2024.

Other options include St Helens and Tonga coach Kristian Woolf, Queensland Origin coach Paul Green, NSW Origin coach Brad Fittler, ex-Sharks coach John Morris and Catalans coach Steve McNamara, who was once Trent Robinson's assistant at the Roosters.

There is also speculation that both Parramatta’s Brad Arthur and North Queensland’s Todd Payten are both under pressure at their respective clubs which could provide the Tigers with some food for thought in the coming weeks.

well that outlines where Chammas' loyalties lie. I want Ciraldo for his defensive systems. that alone would improve us tenfold.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I mean it’s not totally doom and gloom for a young coach like Ciraldo. Tim sheens in the background, New COE, Ton of cap space and a good relationship with younger players, some that he would know from Penrith. It could be an enticing offer

It will end in tears, because, as I tried telling people when a Taylor got sacked, the issues run much deeper than the coach. Only now people are catching on. This place is cancer.

Always find a way to bring Taylor back into the conversation. Taylor is the worst coach this club has ever had and probably the reason we are in the position we are in today. Madge will fall on his sword but atleast he made the changes required to move us in the right direction .

I do it to get a rise out of people like you, and you never disappoint

Okay mrs Taylor lol lol lol

If you can’t see truth in that statement and that issues run deeper than the coach, no matter who that is. Well, you must not follow this club too closely

I can and would have liked your comment if you weren’t trying to justify Jason Taylor again. I have posted multiple times about how disgraceful the players are and how they should have a hard look at themselves. If the club is serious about turning this club around then 3 people need to go and they are Pascoe, brooks and madge. Most of the deadwood has been weeded out ( packer, mbye, Reynolds, bj… etc).

There was 0 justification of Taylor. He was used as an example of how long ago I called these problems, whilst everyone else’s heads were in the sand. I was actually patting myself on the back, not defending him. Go me

 

[GCfan]

Madge has only had success in the NRL with a team that had Greg Inglis (in his peak), Luke Keary and Adam Reynolds as halves (Legit perfect halves pairing), Sam Burgess (in his peak) and two hookers of Isaac Luke (in his peak) and a handy replacement in Api Korisau.

If we're not going to count premierships that have good players in the team, we're not going to be counting many premierships at all. Clubs like the Roosters have fielded teams where every.single.player is a representative.

I understand it's an achievement but I really don't think it's as relevant as everyone is making it out to be. People seem to put Madge in a tier above others because of that prem, which is ludicrous to me considering the talent. He's about the same as Paul Green. He has shown NOTHING since that premiership.

Answer me this: why do people think he's a good coach? (Without mentioning 2014)

Answer this one, who was the last coach who won a premiership with a poor side?

The argument about if he’s the right coach or not isn’t anywhere near as important as whether we have the right roster in my opinion. The old players make coaches argument rings true for mine.

 

[tony soprano]

Roy masters article is good

Yep. Quote:

The current team, however, consists of too many players with half-a-million-dollar incomes and 10-cent attitudes.

They can blame a disconnect with their passionate coach, snicker at club directors and argue who deserves the bulk of the blame, but if Wests Tigers want to end their 10-year nightmare of failing to make the play-offs, the players need to examine the inadequacies inside their own uniforms.
Like Madge, Masters wasn't a muck around type. Puts the blame where it should lie - spoilt self-entitled players.

I like this one

Tim Sheens, the new head of football performance and a multiple-premiership winning coach, will shortly arrive from England. Stapleton’s committee should allow him time to observe and recommend, rather than follow a media-dictated timetable designed to generate the headline of a sacked coach.

 

[tony soprano]

Madge has only had success in the NRL with a team that had Greg Inglis (in his peak), Luke Keary and Adam Reynolds as halves (Legit perfect halves pairing), Sam Burgess (in his peak) and two hookers of Isaac Luke (in his peak) and a handy replacement in Api Korisau.

If we're not going to count premierships that have good players in the team, we're not going to be counting many premierships at all. Clubs like the Roosters have fielded teams where every.single.player is a representative.

I understand it's an achievement but I really don't think it's as relevant as everyone is making it out to be. People seem to put Madge in a tier above others because of that prem, which is ludicrous to me considering the talent. He's about the same as Paul Green. He has shown NOTHING since that premiership.

Answer me this: why do people think he's a good coach? (Without mentioning 2014)


Answer this one, who was the last coach who won a premiership with a poor side?

The argument about if he’s the right coach or not isn’t anywhere near as important as whether we have the right roster in my opinion. The old players make coaches argument rings true for mine.

Roy masters article is right at some point it become a survivor series, where the coach and players are conspiring against each other instead of focus on football.

 

[Harvey]

Madge has only had success in the NRL with a team that had Greg Inglis (in his peak), Luke Keary and Adam Reynolds as halves (Legit perfect halves pairing), Sam Burgess (in his peak) and two hookers of Isaac Luke (in his peak) and a handy replacement in Api Korisau.

If we're not going to count premierships that have good players in the team, we're not going to be counting many premierships at all. Clubs like the Roosters have fielded teams where every.single.player is a representative.

I understand it's an achievement but I really don't think it's as relevant as everyone is making it out to be. People seem to put Madge in a tier above others because of that prem, which is ludicrous to me considering the talent. He's about the same as Paul Green. He has shown NOTHING since that premiership.

Answer me this: why do people think he's a good coach? (Without mentioning 2014)


Answer this one, who was the last coach who won a premiership with a poor side?

The argument about if he’s the right coach or not isn’t anywhere near as important as whether we have the right roster in my opinion. The old players make coaches argument rings true for mine.

Roy masters article is right at some point it become a survivor series, where the coach and players are conspiring against each other instead of focus on football.

Throw the CEO and whatever position Hartigan holds into the mix and it is every man for themselves.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Roy masters article is good

Yep. Quote:

The current team, however, consists of too many players with half-a-million-dollar incomes and 10-cent attitudes.

They can blame a disconnect with their passionate coach, snicker at club directors and argue who deserves the bulk of the blame, but if Wests Tigers want to end their 10-year nightmare of failing to make the play-offs, the players need to examine the inadequacies inside their own uniforms.
Like Madge, Masters wasn't a muck around type. Puts the blame where it should lie - spoilt self-entitled players.

I like this one

Tim Sheens, the new head of football performance and a multiple-premiership winning coach, will shortly arrive from England. Stapleton’s committee should allow him time to observe and recommend, rather than follow a media-dictated timetable designed to generate the headline of a sacked coach.

Didn't that article advise that Sheens is assisting with the review?

 

[GCfan]

Madge has only had success in the NRL with a team that had Greg Inglis (in his peak), Luke Keary and Adam Reynolds as halves (Legit perfect halves pairing), Sam Burgess (in his peak) and two hookers of Isaac Luke (in his peak) and a handy replacement in Api Korisau.

If we're not going to count premierships that have good players in the team, we're not going to be counting many premierships at all. Clubs like the Roosters have fielded teams where every.single.player is a representative.

I understand it's an achievement but I really don't think it's as relevant as everyone is making it out to be. People seem to put Madge in a tier above others because of that prem, which is ludicrous to me considering the talent. He's about the same as Paul Green. He has shown NOTHING since that premiership.

Answer me this: why do people think he's a good coach? (Without mentioning 2014)


Answer this one, who was the last coach who won a premiership with a poor side?

The argument about if he’s the right coach or not isn’t anywhere near as important as whether we have the right roster in my opinion. The old players make coaches argument rings true for mine.

Roy masters article is right at some point it become a survivor series, where the coach and players are conspiring against each other instead of focus on football.

I had to laugh at this. Does that not sound just like our club? Maybe one day we can all get along, be on the same page and play some decent footy.

 

[tony soprano]

Madge has only had success in the NRL with a team that had Greg Inglis (in his peak), Luke Keary and Adam Reynolds as halves (Legit perfect halves pairing), Sam Burgess (in his peak) and two hookers of Isaac Luke (in his peak) and a handy replacement in Api Korisau.

If we're not going to count premierships that have good players in the team, we're not going to be counting many premierships at all. Clubs like the Roosters have fielded teams where every.single.player is a representative.

I understand it's an achievement but I really don't think it's as relevant as everyone is making it out to be. People seem to put Madge in a tier above others because of that prem, which is ludicrous to me considering the talent. He's about the same as Paul Green. He has shown NOTHING since that premiership.

Answer me this: why do people think he's a good coach? (Without mentioning 2014)


Answer this one, who was the last coach who won a premiership with a poor side?

The argument about if he’s the right coach or not isn’t anywhere near as important as whether we have the right roster in my opinion. The old players make coaches argument rings true for mine.

Roy masters article is right at some point it become a survivor series, where the coach and players are conspiring against each other instead of focus on football.

Throw the CEO and whatever position Hartigan holds into the mix and it is every man for themselves.

Exactly and hence our results

 

[tony soprano]

Roy masters article is good

Yep. Quote:

The current team, however, consists of too many players with half-a-million-dollar incomes and 10-cent attitudes.

They can blame a disconnect with their passionate coach, snicker at club directors and argue who deserves the bulk of the blame, but if Wests Tigers want to end their 10-year nightmare of failing to make the play-offs, the players need to examine the inadequacies inside their own uniforms.
Like Madge, Masters wasn't a muck around type. Puts the blame where it should lie - spoilt self-entitled players.

I like this one

Tim Sheens, the new head of football performance and a multiple-premiership winning coach, will shortly arrive from England. Stapleton’s committee should allow him time to observe and recommend, rather than follow a media-dictated timetable designed to generate the headline of a sacked coach.

Didn't that article advise that Sheens is assisting with the review?

The review has been thrown out of proportion. Saying let sheens get back and properly consider what's transpired. Sheens should have final recommendation to board. Say focus will be on football operations.

 

[tony soprano]

Madge has only had success in the NRL with a team that had Greg Inglis (in his peak), Luke Keary and Adam Reynolds as halves (Legit perfect halves pairing), Sam Burgess (in his peak) and two hookers of Isaac Luke (in his peak) and a handy replacement in Api Korisau.

If we're not going to count premierships that have good players in the team, we're not going to be counting many premierships at all. Clubs like the Roosters have fielded teams where every.single.player is a representative.

I understand it's an achievement but I really don't think it's as relevant as everyone is making it out to be. People seem to put Madge in a tier above others because of that prem, which is ludicrous to me considering the talent. He's about the same as Paul Green. He has shown NOTHING since that premiership.

Answer me this: why do people think he's a good coach? (Without mentioning 2014)


Answer this one, who was the last coach who won a premiership with a poor side?

The argument about if he’s the right coach or not isn’t anywhere near as important as whether we have the right roster in my opinion. The old players make coaches argument rings true for mine.

Roy masters article is right at some point it become a survivor series, where the coach and players are conspiring against each other instead of focus on football.

I had to laugh at this. Does that not sound just like our club? Maybe one day we can all get along, be on the same page and play some decent footy.

Who was that John Coates bloke they mentioned any chance getting him on board or anyone know much about him.

 

[old_man_tiger]

Question.

Am I right that Cleary is the only coach we've ever had who has gotten another job as an NRL head coach?

I know we've had some duds but that says a lot about the decisions we've made. No one we've hired has been good enough to coach anyone else, except a bloke who bailed like the scumbag rat he is.

So, what's going to be different this time?


It's a great point but do many Bottom 8 NRL coaches get other senior gigs. Ivan Henjak. Dean Pay. Shane Flanagan. Steve Kearney. Antony Siebold. Paul Mcgregor. Steve Price. Geoff Toovey?

The good ones do: Bennett, Griffin, Sheens, Hasler, Ricky Stuart, etc.

Just saying it's a brutal business with a lot of people coming up wanting to take your place. I'm certain that someone will think they could be 'different' at WTs, despite the reputation, cos there aren't that many jobs. And for ambitious people, staying an assistant, while all of your peers get top jobs, might be frustrating despite being in a 'good' system

Good point, I'm guilty of Tigers bias in my analysis.

 

[jirskyr]

Roy masters article is good

Whenever I read Roy I just wait for the inevitable reference to the old Magpies, and he did it twice, including a jab at Wests Ashfield for not backing the Maggies financially in the 1970s.

Whatever Roy has to say about the present from his High Tower in Melbourne, he's always got part of his brain fixed in his own past.

 

[Alltheway]

I dont think the club is dumb enough to punt Madge.

He isnt perfect, but

He is the only one with a heart beat in the joint.

Were lucky if he stays.

Sorry spartan, lucky???
Are u seriously suggesting that we would be lucky to have him as our coach???
I think u need time on a doctors lounge.
Why because he has heart and loves the club?
If that’s the case then most supporters would qualify as a our coach!
A guy that yells and swears at his players, pretending to be a defensive based coach. Yet his team leaks an average of 30-35 points a game.
U have a weird sense of what lucky means!