Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[cochise]

I could live with

Coach
Sheens

GM
Madge

Ceo
To be advised

Hartigan
Sacked

100% no

 

[twentyforty]

I doubt the club is stupid enough to sack Madge? Then again, they have made quite a few blunders haven't they?

 

[TheDaBoss]

I dont care if dean pay...kearney madge...toovey of hobbo is coaching..as long as we make finals

I draw the line at @hobbo1 lol

@Demps strength and conditioning coach

@happy_tiger defence coach

@willow attack coach


Nearly all sorted

 

[cqtiger]

I dont care if dean pay...kearney madge...toovey of hobbo is coaching..as long as we make finals

I draw the line at @hobbo1 lol

@Demps strength and conditioning coach

@happy_tiger defence coach

I wonder if Happy could do worse?
Since Maguire took over, our points against per game:
2019 - 20
2020 - 25
2021 - 30

I’d back Happy.

 

[Goanna57]

I look at physical evidence and for last 3 years WT defence and attack has regressed. No line speed, no structure in attack and what 5th tackle option. Hail Mary and wish for the best. I don't like sacking coaches but Maguire on the evidence available plus lack of ability to attract top talent to WT means he has to go asap. Seems not up with the current games trends.

If Bellamy came here he would be doing almost exactly what Madge is trying to do.

He has let the rabble rousers and deadwood go.

Maguire is 1 Man standing in the face of 15 Yer plus of largely Garbage.

Next year is gonna be worse with or without Madge as we have the youngest Ave age of any team in the NRL .

We need to stick solid with him for the next 2 years. This panic cant continue!

Stick with him and this roster and we are guaranteed the spoon next season. How stupid would we look if we had the chance to get rid of him now and then we keep him next year and we finish last because the roster is the same and our best player could miss half the comp. just bite the bullet now, he’s absolutely no chance of seeing out his last 2 years

I think we will be last regardless.

Then we have to start all over again.. Another 2-3 year rebuild.

The Tigers have been inconsistent for the most of the last 15 years.

Why do we have to start over again we supposedly have so many gun juniors coming through,what difference whould a new coach make to them .Or are you saying all the players that Maguire signed or re-signed bar 3 or 4 of them are not up to nrl standard

 

[TheDaBoss]

We go from Madge to Mary i guess 😅

 

[cochise]

We go from Madge to Mary i guess 😅

You just made me feel sick

 

[yeahcaz]

I think the choice for the off-season is simple. Option A) Sack Brooks. Option B) sack Maguire.

I could honestly live with Maguire staying around if the club selects assistants to help him and to help Brooks pack his bags. But I’ve been a fan long enough to realise that is way easier said than done so option B is definitely the more likely.

Ideal world for me would be to show them both the door but we can’t have everything can we.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I think the choice for the off-season is simple. Option A) Sack Brooks. Option B) sack Maguire.

I could honestly live with Maguire staying around if the club selects assistants to help him and to help Brooks pack his bags. But I’ve been a fan long enough to realise that is way easier said than done so option B is definitely the more likely.

Ideal world for me would be to show them both the door but we can’t have everything can we.

Ha so a coach of Cleary's calibre can work with Brooks and in doing so he wins the Dally M, bur Maguire cannot? If this is what you are suggesting, it is an astounding admission of failure on Maguire's part.

 

[TIGERPOWER]

Hopefully the new coach gives our halfback a fatherly chat about 5th tackle options, short balls at the line to second rowers and his kicking game. It's all been garbage for years.

If Blore doesn't give Brooks a pair of Irish sunglasses over Mad Monday for his efforts on the weekend I'll be surprised.

Or he could just use him as Cleary did.

And get us to ninth again. It would be an absolute disaster if madge is gone and brooks is still here. The ONE common denominator in our last decade of not playing finals football is brooks. If that’s not enough to get rid of him then I give up on this club.

I'd take 9th now and the way we played then. The end to this season has been so comprehensive, it is a defeat in detail not just a defeat. A thrashing by the wooden spoon team with our players looking broken and dispirited. There is no coming back from this for Maguire.

Agree. But you keep forgetting to add that there is no coming back from this from brooks. Who was our halfback that day ? Who was our almighty captain that day? He is the most over paid player in the whole NRL. He is a myth of a halfback and should never lead this team again. Maybe the team tanked to get rid of madge. But that was brooks as per usual. Please Canberra come and take him of us.

 

[supercoach]

When's Bennett's time up at Souths? Isn't he done this year? Throw the sink at him...

He's not the coach he once was but he still has pulling power to attract quality players and he's a good man manager. He's done everything you can do in the game, sell it as a legacy move. He either gives us some sustained success or he does a Newcastle and leaves us in tatters which is no worse than where we currently are.

The issue that I see with Bennett is i believe he would be more concerned about his legacy than the long term future of the club. I think he would burn the place to the ground trying to get long term success. He also seems to revel in clubs imploding after he leaves.

Not trying to argue against every option. Its just there isn't a perfect option out there.

There isn’t much for him to burn down. This club is at rock bottom and couldn’t possibly sink any lower. We’d at least have a good chance of short term success. Whereas now there isn’t much for long or short term success.

Yeah I get the push for Bennett, I want long term success though. Making the finals for a couple of years and then crashing back to this is not enough for me. I want a decade of being close to the top of the game and I don't think Bennett provides that.

I also have a very dark thought that would be such a Wests Tigers thing to happen if we signed Bennett that maybe he is better off not coming for his own health.

What long term success do we look like having atm? None.

I didn't say we did, but we have some very good young talent coming through and hopefully the improvements in our pathways will help ensure that develops into quality 1st graders. I have more hope in that than a coaching change or signing big name players to dig us out of this mess.

Been hearing about young talent for years and years. But it’s always the same old story with the same results.

Flegg was undefeated and I believe the structures we are putting in place will help them develop into quality NRL players. I seen what happened when we went out and tried to purchase success, it is why we are where we are now.

Kids need leaders to succeed and we are null and void of leaders. Till we get some leaders in the joint, the kids will struggle to make the big step

 

[TIGERPOWER]

I dont care if dean pay...kearney madge...toovey of hobbo is coaching..as long as we make finals

I draw the line at @hobbo1 lol

@Demps strength and conditioning coach

@happy_tiger defence coach

I wonder if Happy could do worse?
Since Maguire took over, our points against per game:
2019 - 20
2020 - 25
2021 - 30

I’d back Happy.

On track for 35 next year lol

 

[cochise]

When's Bennett's time up at Souths? Isn't he done this year? Throw the sink at him...

He's not the coach he once was but he still has pulling power to attract quality players and he's a good man manager. He's done everything you can do in the game, sell it as a legacy move. He either gives us some sustained success or he does a Newcastle and leaves us in tatters which is no worse than where we currently are.

The issue that I see with Bennett is i believe he would be more concerned about his legacy than the long term future of the club. I think he would burn the place to the ground trying to get long term success. He also seems to revel in clubs imploding after he leaves.

Not trying to argue against every option. Its just there isn't a perfect option out there.

There isn’t much for him to burn down. This club is at rock bottom and couldn’t possibly sink any lower. We’d at least have a good chance of short term success. Whereas now there isn’t much for long or short term success.

Yeah I get the push for Bennett, I want long term success though. Making the finals for a couple of years and then crashing back to this is not enough for me. I want a decade of being close to the top of the game and I don't think Bennett provides that.

I also have a very dark thought that would be such a Wests Tigers thing to happen if we signed Bennett that maybe he is better off not coming for his own health.

What long term success do we look like having atm? None.

I didn't say we did, but we have some very good young talent coming through and hopefully the improvements in our pathways will help ensure that develops into quality 1st graders. I have more hope in that than a coaching change or signing big name players to dig us out of this mess.

Been hearing about young talent for years and years. But it’s always the same old story with the same results.

Flegg was undefeated and I believe the structures we are putting in place will help them develop into quality NRL players. I seen what happened when we went out and tried to purchase success, it is why we are where we are now.

Kids need leaders to succeed and we are null and void of leaders. Till we get some leaders in the joint, the kids will struggle to make the big step

Agreed

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Hopefully the new coach gives our halfback a fatherly chat about 5th tackle options, short balls at the line to second rowers and his kicking game. It's all been garbage for years.

If Blore doesn't give Brooks a pair of Irish sunglasses over Mad Monday for his efforts on the weekend I'll be surprised.

Or he could just use him as Cleary did.

And get us to ninth again. It would be an absolute disaster if madge is gone and brooks is still here. The ONE common denominator in our last decade of not playing finals football is brooks. If that’s not enough to get rid of him then I give up on this club.

I'd take 9th now and the way we played then. The end to this season has been so comprehensive, it is a defeat in detail not just a defeat. A thrashing by the wooden spoon team with our players looking broken and dispirited. There is no coming back from this for Maguire.

Agree. But you keep forgetting to add that there is no coming back from this from brooks. Who was our halfback that day ? Who was our almighty captain that day? He is the most over paid player in the whole NRL. He is a myth of a halfback and should never lead this team again. Maybe the team tanked to get rid of madge. But that was brooks as per usual. Please Canberra come and take him of us.

I'm happy for the new coach to make decisions about players.

 

[aturkey]

I hope we appoint Sheens as coach. Him leading a young group of players is exactly what he is good at. They'll at least play exciting footy. I don't even know what we play right now...

 

[Fade.To.Black]

After 3 years of gradually slipping performances

Moot point
Bellamy would have 3 years of improvement due to systems and processes that he would put in place.
Bellamy's players wouldn't be a confused rabble after 3 years.

Would Bellamy have done that much better being handicapped by the salary cap and overpaid useless players who don't want to put in? He most likely would have dropped those players at least but dropping Brooks, Mbye and Nofo only means you are replacing them with Madden, Cini, Hoffman etc who despite limited chances have shown that they aren't going to set the world on fire in first grade unfortunately. Madge has been hamstrung in a huge way during his tenure.

Hamstrung maybe but what reason is there for not getting the best out of players and getting the team to improve.
9th, 11th, 13th, is he hamstrung in that area to

Most of the players seem more than happy to go through the motions and bludge a paycheck out of the club as well though. Maguire has plenty of faults and probably isn't the answer as far as coaching our club goes but the players have to take SOME accountability surely? It was them hoisting the white flag on Sunday that made the scoreline that pitiful. You could throw the same calibre of players to a man out there last week, with no coaching whatsoever, and as long as they put their bodies on the line in defence and had a few very basic ideas in attack and the final scoreline would be substantially different.
That's on the players and their weak attitude IMO.

 

[yeahcaz]

I think the choice for the off-season is simple. Option A) Sack Brooks. Option B) sack Maguire.

I could honestly live with Maguire staying around if the club selects assistants to help him and to help Brooks pack his bags. But I’ve been a fan long enough to realise that is way easier said than done so option B is definitely the more likely.

Ideal world for me would be to show them both the door but we can’t have everything can we.

Ha so a coach of Cleary's calibre can work with Brooks and in doing so he wins the Dally M, bur Maguire cannot? If this is what you are suggesting, it is an astounding admission of failure on Maguire's part.

He won the dally m in a barren year for 7s and even with that accolade we still couldn’t make the 8. Brooks has been around for every coach and seems inept of criticism or dropping. No other club in the league would stick with a 7 this long, it’s so weak it’s actually funny now. It’s the most necessary divorce in the league right now.

 

[Fade.To.Black]

I think the choice for the off-season is simple. Option A) Sack Brooks. Option B) sack Maguire.

I could honestly live with Maguire staying around if the club selects assistants to help him and to help Brooks pack his bags. But I’ve been a fan long enough to realise that is way easier said than done so option B is definitely the more likely.

Ideal world for me would be to show them both the door but we can’t have everything can we.

Ha so a coach of Cleary's calibre can work with Brooks and in doing so he wins the Dally M, bur Maguire cannot? If this is what you are suggesting, it is an astounding admission of failure on Maguire's part.

Brooks seems very weak mentally and reluctant to assume the role of a take-no-prisoners leader. Very meek and mild, it's no surprise that a bum-patter coach like Ivan would get the best out of him. Madge's style of coaching would require a alpha-male type halfback who isn't afraid to call the shots out there and rip into teammates when needed. If Maguire is still here next season Hastings just might be that player, he at least seems to not be a shrinking violet. Who knows though?

 

[yeahcaz]

I think the choice for the off-season is simple. Option A) Sack Brooks. Option B) sack Maguire.

I could honestly live with Maguire staying around if the club selects assistants to help him and to help Brooks pack his bags. But I’ve been a fan long enough to realise that is way easier said than done so option B is definitely the more likely.

Ideal world for me would be to show them both the door but we can’t have everything can we.

Ha so a coach of Cleary's calibre can work with Brooks and in doing so he wins the Dally M, bur Maguire cannot? If this is what you are suggesting, it is an astounding admission of failure on Maguire's part.

Brooks seems very weak mentally and reluctant to assume the role of a take-no-prisoners leader. Very meek and mild, it's no surprise that a bum-patter coach like Ivan would get the best out of him. Madge's style of coaching would require a alpha-male type halfback who isn't afraid to call the shots out there and rip into teammates when needed. If Maguire is still here next season Hastings just might be that player, he at least seems to not be a shrinking violet. Who knows though?

His performance on the weekend almost has me believe he no longer cares about the criticism he cops.

He’s happy to just continue making bank and playing like ass as it’s clear no one at the club has the stones to drop him or ship him off.

 

[mike]

I think the choice for the off-season is simple. Option A) Sack Brooks. Option B) sack Maguire.

I could honestly live with Maguire staying around if the club selects assistants to help him and to help Brooks pack his bags. But I’ve been a fan long enough to realise that is way easier said than done so option B is definitely the more likely.

Ideal world for me would be to show them both the door but we can’t have everything can we.

Ha so a coach of Cleary's calibre can work with Brooks and in doing so he wins the Dally M, bur Maguire cannot? If this is what you are suggesting, it is an astounding admission of failure on Maguire's part.

Brooks seems very weak mentally and reluctant to assume the role of a take-no-prisoners leader. Very meek and mild, it's no surprise that a bum-patter coach like Ivan would get the best out of him. Madge's style of coaching would require a alpha-male type halfback who isn't afraid to call the shots out there and rip into teammates when needed. If Maguire is still here next season Hastings just might be that player, he at least seems to not be a shrinking violet. Who knows though?

I would not say Brooks was weak. He tries every time he plays. The problem is his decision making is so poor. He needs a leader in the spine to tell him what todo. That’s something Brooks himself can’t do. Before it was either Robbie or Benji doing the calls. Brooks is a good footballer but he is just not a leader. He would do well elsewhere with experience players calling the plays.