Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[pawsandclaws1]

I think the choice for the off-season is simple. Option A) Sack Brooks. Option B) sack Maguire.

I could honestly live with Maguire staying around if the club selects assistants to help him and to help Brooks pack his bags. But I’ve been a fan long enough to realise that is way easier said than done so option B is definitely the more likely.

Ideal world for me would be to show them both the door but we can’t have everything can we.

Ha so a coach of Cleary's calibre can work with Brooks and in doing so he wins the Dally M, bur Maguire cannot? If this is what you are suggesting, it is an astounding admission of failure on Maguire's part.

Brooks seems very weak mentally and reluctant to assume the role of a take-no-prisoners leader. Very meek and mild, it's no surprise that a bum-patter coach like Ivan would get the best out of him. Madge's style of coaching would require a alpha-male type halfback who isn't afraid to call the shots out there and rip into teammates when needed. If Maguire is still here next season Hastings just might be that player, he at least seems to not be a shrinking violet. Who knows though?

I would not say Brooks was weak. He tries every time he plays. The problem is his decision making is so poor. He needs a leader in the spine to tell him what todo. That’s something Brooks himself can’t do. Before it was either Robbie or Benji doing the calls. Brooks is a good footballer but he is just not a leader. He would do well elsewhere with experience players calling the plays.

He is weak mentally, not in a disparaging way, but weak as in telling other blokes what to do, cajoling them and getting them to play their best so that he in turn can play his best. All the top halfbacks of any era are blokes that will talk and tell at teammates incessantly. Johns, Sterling, Maloney, Cronk etc etc, all of them were leaders with their talk. Brooks has none of that.
I like the bloke and have backed him for a long time but from what I saw of him on Sunday especially, he doesn't care at the moment. Those pathetic, nothingness inside-ball drop-offs he did all game were glaring signs of a bloke who couldn't be bothered what the final scoreline was.

Bottom line, Brooks is not and never will be a leader.

He can still be a very good player for your team, as Cleary demonstrated.

I agree but he needs a new club.

Our coach needs to be shown the exit door. Amazing how a new coach, with new ideas, a different approach to coaching can invigorate a squad and attract new players.

 

[BAGNF05]

I think the choice for the off-season is simple. Option A) Sack Brooks. Option B) sack Maguire.

I could honestly live with Maguire staying around if the club selects assistants to help him and to help Brooks pack his bags. But I’ve been a fan long enough to realise that is way easier said than done so option B is definitely the more likely.

Ideal world for me would be to show them both the door but we can’t have everything can we.

Ha so a coach of Cleary's calibre can work with Brooks and in doing so he wins the Dally M, bur Maguire cannot? If this is what you are suggesting, it is an astounding admission of failure on Maguire's part.

Brooks seems very weak mentally and reluctant to assume the role of a take-no-prisoners leader. Very meek and mild, it's no surprise that a bum-patter coach like Ivan would get the best out of him. Madge's style of coaching would require a alpha-male type halfback who isn't afraid to call the shots out there and rip into teammates when needed. If Maguire is still here next season Hastings just might be that player, he at least seems to not be a shrinking violet. Who knows though?

I would not say Brooks was weak. He tries every time he plays. The problem is his decision making is so poor. He needs a leader in the spine to tell him what todo. That’s something Brooks himself can’t do. Before it was either Robbie or Benji doing the calls. Brooks is a good footballer but he is just not a leader. He would do well elsewhere with experience players calling the plays.

He is weak mentally, not in a disparaging way, but weak as in telling other blokes what to do, cajoling them and getting them to play their best so that he in turn can play his best. All the top halfbacks of any era are blokes that will talk and tell at teammates incessantly. Johns, Sterling, Maloney, Cronk etc etc, all of them were leaders with their talk. Brooks has none of that.
I like the bloke and have backed him for a long time but from what I saw of him on Sunday especially, he doesn't care at the moment. Those pathetic, nothingness inside-ball drop-offs he did all game were glaring signs of a bloke who couldn't be bothered what the final scoreline was.

Bottom line, Brooks is not and never will be a leader.

He can still be a very good player for your team, as Cleary demonstrated.

I agree but he needs a new club.

Our coach needs to be shown the exit door. Amazing how a new coach, with new ideas, a different approach to coaching can invigorate a squad and attract new players.

He will be. Good luck with the fantasy though.

 

[TIGERPOWER]

Backdoor is in his element atm. Why are hearing opinions of has beens from 30 years ago?

Because he is a legend who played in the most successful era of the Balmain tigers. He is a winner on and off the field. Why wouldn’t we take his opinion on board. Unless what he is saying is to the detriment of this club. If the only way we can afford to move madge on is to have sheens coach us then so be it. I think it’s probably the smartest thing someone has said.

 

[Harvey]

Benny and Blocker have crawled out of the wood work. There are a lot of rent a quotes associated with this club.

Next Siro will pop up and point out we would have made the finals with his 2 sons.

 

[balmain boy]

If he's the new coach. I'll break.
https://twitter.com/badel_cmail/status/1435129330422583298?s=19
Breaking: Paul Green has quit as Queensland Origin coach. QRL begins the search for a new coach in 2022. More to come @cmail_sport

No way he was coaching QLD again next year. He's awful and jumped before getting sacked.

 

[yeahcaz]

Mess left for him? He’s signed 28/30 players in our current squad. When will people wake up??


I don't disagree with your general comments about the outcomes with Madge - he has failed with the roster he has.

However I don't buy the argument about him signing / re-signing 28/30 players and therefore it's "his roster". Yes he was left with a mess.

Up until pre-season 2021 3 of the Top 4 money-earners in our club had been signed by Ivan Cleary and their contracts were still burning a hole in our roster - Reynolds, Mbye, Packer. Brooks was the 4th top-earning player and he was re-signed 5 weeks into Maguire's tenure, the same year he won the Dally M halfback of the year. Obviously the discussions around Brooks had been ongoing before Madge joined, or at the earliest when Madge was just starting. What's Madge going to do, come in and not renew the reigning Dally M halfback from his junior club?

Packer and Reynolds managed 31 games combined for Tigers between 2019-2021.

Now - give any coach in the NRL a roster where 3 of the top 4 players were signed to long-term deals by someone else, and for whom the output is horribly below not just expectations, but of your average first-grader. Restrict 2 of those Top 4 players to 6.2 matches played per season, each.

Additionally, take $375K off the salary cap of the first two seasons under that coach, for mistakes made by the CEO and previous coaches.

Then tell that coach "it's your roster mate" when he battles to fulfil the lower 26 spots with the remaining money available to him.

Madge bashers are blind to this pure fact.

This comment should be read to the board as exhibit A after any review.

Quoting money issues as his downfall is a joke. We offered Latrell 1.2 mil a season and that was when all those high earners were still at the club.

 

[BAGNF05]

Greeny sighted sweeping up shells at concord?

 

[yeahcaz]

If he's the new coach. I'll break.
https://twitter.com/badel_cmail/status/1435129330422583298?s=19
Breaking: Paul Green has quit as Queensland Origin coach. QRL begins the search for a new coach in 2022. More to come @cmail_sport

That’ll do me.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Benny and Blocker have crawled out of the wood work. There are a lot of rent a quotes associated with this club.

Next Siro will pop up and point out we would have made the finals with his 2 sons.

The holy trinity of rent a quotes.

 

[BAGNF05]

Mess left for him? He’s signed 28/30 players in our current squad. When will people wake up??


I don't disagree with your general comments about the outcomes with Madge - he has failed with the roster he has.

However I don't buy the argument about him signing / re-signing 28/30 players and therefore it's "his roster". Yes he was left with a mess.

Up until pre-season 2021 3 of the Top 4 money-earners in our club had been signed by Ivan Cleary and their contracts were still burning a hole in our roster - Reynolds, Mbye, Packer. Brooks was the 4th top-earning player and he was re-signed 5 weeks into Maguire's tenure, the same year he won the Dally M halfback of the year. Obviously the discussions around Brooks had been ongoing before Madge joined, or at the earliest when Madge was just starting. What's Madge going to do, come in and not renew the reigning Dally M halfback from his junior club?

Packer and Reynolds managed 31 games combined for Tigers between 2019-2021.

Now - give any coach in the NRL a roster where 3 of the top 4 players were signed to long-term deals by someone else, and for whom the output is horribly below not just expectations, but of your average first-grader. Restrict 2 of those Top 4 players to 6.2 matches played per season, each.

Additionally, take $375K off the salary cap of the first two seasons under that coach, for mistakes made by the CEO and previous coaches.

Then tell that coach "it's your roster mate" when he battles to fulfil the lower 26 spots with the remaining money available to him.

Madge bashers are blind to this pure fact.

This comment should be read to the board as exhibit A after any review.

Quoting money issues as his downfall is a joke. We offered Latrell 1.2 mil a season and that was when all those high earners were still at the club.

Did latrell want to play with our superstars?

 

[Telltails]

So Green has just stepped down from SOO becausd he is looking for a head coach role ... coincidence

 

[BAGNF05]

So Green has just stepped down from SOO becausd he is looking for a head coach role ... coincidence

Can already see Pascoe with a fresh fade trumpeting our new premiership winning coach.

 

[yeahcaz]

Mess left for him? He’s signed 28/30 players in our current squad. When will people wake up??


I don't disagree with your general comments about the outcomes with Madge - he has failed with the roster he has.

However I don't buy the argument about him signing / re-signing 28/30 players and therefore it's "his roster". Yes he was left with a mess.

Up until pre-season 2021 3 of the Top 4 money-earners in our club had been signed by Ivan Cleary and their contracts were still burning a hole in our roster - Reynolds, Mbye, Packer. Brooks was the 4th top-earning player and he was re-signed 5 weeks into Maguire's tenure, the same year he won the Dally M halfback of the year. Obviously the discussions around Brooks had been ongoing before Madge joined, or at the earliest when Madge was just starting. What's Madge going to do, come in and not renew the reigning Dally M halfback from his junior club?

Packer and Reynolds managed 31 games combined for Tigers between 2019-2021.

Now - give any coach in the NRL a roster where 3 of the top 4 players were signed to long-term deals by someone else, and for whom the output is horribly below not just expectations, but of your average first-grader. Restrict 2 of those Top 4 players to 6.2 matches played per season, each.

Additionally, take $375K off the salary cap of the first two seasons under that coach, for mistakes made by the CEO and previous coaches.

Then tell that coach "it's your roster mate" when he battles to fulfil the lower 26 spots with the remaining money available to him.

Madge bashers are blind to this pure fact.

This comment should be read to the board as exhibit A after any review.

Quoting money issues as his downfall is a joke. We offered Latrell 1.2 mil a season and that was when all those high earners were still at the club.

Did latrell want to play with our superstars?

Latrell would’ve brought actual superstars.

This new fear of not paying “overs” for players is why we have such a stupid amount of cap space and absolutely no one to spend it on. Now we’re gonna get burned for it now and the future because no one in their right mind is coming to this club, even for the whole 1.6

 

[BAGNF05]

Mess left for him? He’s signed 28/30 players in our current squad. When will people wake up??


I don't disagree with your general comments about the outcomes with Madge - he has failed with the roster he has.

However I don't buy the argument about him signing / re-signing 28/30 players and therefore it's "his roster". Yes he was left with a mess.

Up until pre-season 2021 3 of the Top 4 money-earners in our club had been signed by Ivan Cleary and their contracts were still burning a hole in our roster - Reynolds, Mbye, Packer. Brooks was the 4th top-earning player and he was re-signed 5 weeks into Maguire's tenure, the same year he won the Dally M halfback of the year. Obviously the discussions around Brooks had been ongoing before Madge joined, or at the earliest when Madge was just starting. What's Madge going to do, come in and not renew the reigning Dally M halfback from his junior club?

Packer and Reynolds managed 31 games combined for Tigers between 2019-2021.

Now - give any coach in the NRL a roster where 3 of the top 4 players were signed to long-term deals by someone else, and for whom the output is horribly below not just expectations, but of your average first-grader. Restrict 2 of those Top 4 players to 6.2 matches played per season, each.

Additionally, take $375K off the salary cap of the first two seasons under that coach, for mistakes made by the CEO and previous coaches.

Then tell that coach "it's your roster mate" when he battles to fulfil the lower 26 spots with the remaining money available to him.

Madge bashers are blind to this pure fact.

This comment should be read to the board as exhibit A after any review.

Quoting money issues as his downfall is a joke. We offered Latrell 1.2 mil a season and that was when all those high earners were still at the club.

Did latrell want to play with our superstars?

Latrell would’ve brought actual superstars.

This new fear of not paying “overs” for players is why we have such a stupid amount of cap space and absolutely no one to spend it on. Now we’re gonna get burned for it now and the future because no one in their right mind is coming to this club, even for the whole 1.6

We wouldn’t have been able to sign anyone else cos Pack Man , JR and Moses were hogging all the cap. I agree with the second part of your post. It blows my mind we didn’t plan for when the ‘big 3’came off the cap.

 

[tony soprano]

Thing about sacking madge too his been talking to a lot of juniors and their parents which seem to like him. Unethical to pull the rug on them and say ow here is our new coach hopefully he likes you to.

Problem with madge the nrl side were not playing for him and experience will not come until the young guys are ready who will create the new club culture.

 

[Canberratiger]

I would of wanted Madge to be kept on but I can't see it happening now. Too much noise being made.
I really want Ciraldo with Sheens helping him out but I had a horrible feeling that we will end up with Paul Green and now he has split from the QRL to get back into club land....please no

 

[cqtiger]

I dont care if dean pay...kearney madge...toovey of hobbo is coaching..as long as we make finals

I draw the line at @hobbo1 lol

@Demps strength and conditioning coach

@happy_tiger defence coach

I wonder if Happy could do worse?
Since Maguire took over, our points against per game:
2019 - 20
2020 - 25
2021 - 30

I’d back Happy.

On track for 35 next year lol

Sadly

 

[izotope]

Does anyone actually believe the review is going to change anything.
I think he's gone regardless. I hope they are interviewing candidates now.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Does anyone actually believe the review is going to change anything.
I think he's gone regardless. I hope they are interviewing candidates now.

When the two morons conducting it should be reviewed themselves, you know the fix is in. The odds aren’t in Madge’s favour.

 

[Devon Head]

Thing about sacking madge too his been talking to a lot of juniors and their parents which seem to like him. Unethical to pull the rug on them and say ow here is our new coach hopefully he likes you to.

Problem with madge the nrl side were not playing for him and experience will not come until the young guys are ready who will create the new club culture.

He seems to have invested a lot of time and interest in developing Indigenous pathways as well which he has mentioned a few times. Would be a shame to see that lost.