Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[jirskyr]

Then if you listen to what Gus is actually saying as well, he is saying its a media beat up which of course Chammas tries to defend at the end.

Well Chammas is a moron, that much is evident. He's becoming Fairfax's version of Jimmy Pooper.

 

[PJ_]

So does anyone have any idea of which direction we are heading or when we will know?
Would ideally like us to start planning for nxt year so we don't come last

 

[rihannafan1]

Madge's position is already untenable.... if the board is split on the decision he should go.

A well run club would not proceed with a coach that half the board want gone, he would be gone end of story, but I did say well run club.

So then how do you read the situation if the board is split on who they replace him with?

I read it as they want Ciraldo, but they are wetting their pants with all the bad media and are second guessing what punting Madge will look like in the media.
A well run club would have another coach lined up, maybe they have I don't know, but they would announce Madge is gone and they thank him but are now moving in another direction.
I just can't see how Madge can stay knowing there are half the board or more who want him sacked, it's untenable now

If they want ciraldo they can just sack madge and say their doing their " due process "

And if Ciraldo falls through? As if that wouldn’t make the media.

You mean if Ciraldo backs out of his agreement with the club? There's way too much smoke for there not to be a fire.

He may have signed a heads of agreement…

haha what a farce that Heads of Agreement comment from Lee was.

 

[rihannafan1]

So does anyone have any idea of which direction we are heading or when we will know?
Would ideally like us to start planning for nxt year so we don't come last

A lot of money on Ciraldo to take over. I hope he has some solid plans for Musgrove.

 

[Tcat]

The way I see it the club has two options and everyday they delay making the call the more damage is being done that may be difficult to repair.

Option one…sack Madge and appoint a new coach, and hope like hell the new coach will be able to attract winners and turn the joint around.

Option Two…Keep Madge, get behind him and back him 100%, get him a proven defensive coach as a assistant and get him a attacking coach who also has runs on the board. They also have to make sure Madge is happy to have Sheens over seeing the joint, and if Hartigan is still around, Madge and him have to patch up their working relationship.

Option A looks the easy fix, but sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don’t, and we have been down this track so many times and got the same result.

So here’s the biggest worry with option A. By keeping him now, our clueless board will expect immediate results next season which is next to no chance of happening with the same squad and coach and if he is sacked at any point for next season, our recruitment for 2023 is ruined before it even starts. We can start recruiting in a months time and no one is going to sign for a club that can’t guarantee its coaches safety, especially if that team is the tigers

I think his position at the club is untenable.

And that's precisely what the leakers were trying to achieve. Those on the board who *want* him gone, tell journalists that he *is* gone, then the media frenzy completely undermines him, and then those very same leakers tell the rest of the board - "See! his position is untenable".

Disgusting behaviour, it's like the worst days of Rudd v Gillard and Abbott v Turnbull.

Absolutely ?. Disgusting behaviour by certain Board members and it is why we have had very little success in 22 seasons. The Board is the problem.

Get rid of the board, the CEO and any player that's played 1st grade for the WTs longer than 5 or 6 years for a start. They are part of the loser and corrupt mentality that plagues this club. Bring in an independent entity to clear the decks, look at the organisation and rebuild the whole business from top to bottom. Basically re-start the whole club as if we shut up shop, only we remain the WTs. The place stinks like ass and I've had enough.

 

[jirskyr]

Madge's position is already untenable.... if the board is split on the decision he should go.

A well run club would not proceed with a coach that half the board want gone, he would be gone end of story, but I did say well run club.

So then how do you read the situation if the board is split on who they replace him with?

I read it as they want Ciraldo, but they are wetting their pants with all the bad media and are second guessing what punting Madge will look like in the media.
A well run club would have another coach lined up, maybe they have I don't know, but they would announce Madge is gone and they thank him but are now moving in another direction.
I just can't see how Madge can stay knowing there are half the board or more who want him sacked, it's untenable now

If they want ciraldo they can just sack madge and say their doing their " due process "

And if Ciraldo falls through? As if that wouldn’t make the media.

You mean if Ciraldo backs out of his agreement with the club? There's way too much smoke for there not to be a fire.

He may have signed a heads of agreement…

haha what a farce that Heads of Agreement comment from Lee was.

Not really, it prevented JAC from signing on with someone else for 2021.

 

[Bula]

I understand there is a lot at play in this decision but I reckon the Board needs to show some backbone in backing in Madge. He has been all about the future, fixing the player contract mess & setting us for long-term success. Fans & media get so fixated on the 'now' but should be looking at where we are heading.

1) Look at our Jersey Flegg result this season (and the potential Panthers-like era we could have if we keep these mates together)
2) Look at our recent junior recruitment (Simpkin, Saukurus, Fautimaus etc)
3) Look at our junior stars coming through (Solomone Saukuru, Brandon Tumeth, Justin Matamua to name a few)
4) Look at our good buys in recent seasons (Utoikamanu, Blore, Doeuhi, Laurie, Maumolo, Tuilagi, Simpkins)

To me our team has only a few key parts of the puzzle to assemble (2-3 players with leadership, experience, intensity & aggression in forward pack & halves; some x-factor with strong defence in the backline; and some good assistant coaching support for Madge). We have Sheens, Hastings, Gildart coming in which can all be positives.

Don't get sucked in by the media's focus on headlines & creating disunity.

We need to stay true & let Madge see out his contract. Otherwise the vicious circle starts again!

Keeping Madge for 2 more years will destroy the club to the point of no return. We need someone who can attract players, coach well or preferably both. His last 5 seasons have proven he can't coach in the modern game.

I think the concept of "the modern game" is a myth and is entirely overused.

How do we define "the modern game"? 2021 only? The past 2 years? The past 3 years? The predicted forthcoming season?

Surely we can argue, given the ARLC's recent affinity for fiddling with the rules, there has scarcely been any sustained period of established rugby league paradigm. It always flips and flops between defence-focused, attack-focused, wrestle-focus, refs heavy touch , refs light touch etc. Part of the beauty of the game is the unpredictable nature of play and which styles dominate in a given season. Part of the frustration of the game is that the controlling body feel compelled to tweak rules to improve the TV spectacle.

However in contrast the the unpredictable football styles, the dominating teams have become all-too predictable - a core 4 or 5 teams for at least a period of 3 to 4 years, with some teams rarely falling out of the top echelon and, by corollary, some teams rarely making it into the top echelon.

I think this is another argument against the concept of "the modern game": if certain clubs are able to maintain a stranglehold on the competition, it argues that the current paradigm / "modern game" is a less relevant predictor than the established flexibility and mental/physical domination of the best sides and coaches.

In other words, the best rosters win regardless of prevailing conditions, because they adapt to those conditions.

And none of this is even considering the long-term impact of COVID, including player bubbles, player mental health, relocations, family separations and lack of lower grade play etc.

There's certainly no argument to support an idea that a younger or newer coach is more "in tune" with the modern game - the most successful coaches (and the ones currently left in season 2021) are also the 3 oldest, barring Ivan Cleary.

There's also an assumption, within the idea of "modern game", that it is predictable, i.e. that the rules and rule interpretations will not change and that most sides will handle those conditions in a similar manner to the previous seasons. Clearly this wildly speculative and the previous seasons have in fact shown great variability in the way the game is played and policed.

Aside, of course, from the fundamentals - that the fastest, strongest, toughest and most skilful sides tend to be the best, regardless of variations in what comprises "the modern game".

So ultimately I think the argument of "a modern game" against a coach, or even for a coach, is misguided. Specific to Madge, I think the history of the Wests Tigers and the known abilities of the current roster are far more predictive than the concept of whether or not Michael Maguire knows and can coach to the prevailing paradigm. Aren't people always telling me that it's a simple game and you just need to bash the opposition?

Before he died, The Don was asked if he would score as many runs in "the modern game". His answer went something along the lines of '''No, I wouldn't. Back then the pitches were flatter, the outfields were quicker and the bowlers didnt watch videos of you. But I would still score more runs than the next bloke." Winners gonna win. Losers gonna lose.

I dont think this is a real quote for many reasons.

Firstly the pitches werent flatter, they played on unprotected pitches that were much harder to bat on than the current roads, the outfields werent faster.

The quote I have read attributed to him went along the lines of, "these days they have video analysis, professional training, but of course I m 80 years old"

Gabba 1965 to Doug Walters.

 

[rihannafan1]

Madge's position is already untenable.... if the board is split on the decision he should go.

A well run club would not proceed with a coach that half the board want gone, he would be gone end of story, but I did say well run club.

So then how do you read the situation if the board is split on who they replace him with?

I read it as they want Ciraldo, but they are wetting their pants with all the bad media and are second guessing what punting Madge will look like in the media.
A well run club would have another coach lined up, maybe they have I don't know, but they would announce Madge is gone and they thank him but are now moving in another direction.
I just can't see how Madge can stay knowing there are half the board or more who want him sacked, it's untenable now

If they want ciraldo they can just sack madge and say their doing their " due process "

And if Ciraldo falls through? As if that wouldn’t make the media.

You mean if Ciraldo backs out of his agreement with the club? There's way too much smoke for there not to be a fire.

He may have signed a heads of agreement…

haha what a farce that Heads of Agreement comment from Lee was.

Not really, it prevented JAC from signing on with someone else for 2021.

Okay but he still didn't sign with us and is still going where he wanted to.

 

[gallagher]

The way I see it the club has two options and everyday they delay making the call the more damage is being done that may be difficult to repair.

Option one…sack Madge and appoint a new coach, and hope like hell the new coach will be able to attract winners and turn the joint around.

Option Two…Keep Madge, get behind him and back him 100%, get him a proven defensive coach as a assistant and get him a attacking coach who also has runs on the board. They also have to make sure Madge is happy to have Sheens over seeing the joint, and if Hartigan is still around, Madge and him have to patch up their working relationship.

Option A looks the easy fix, but sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don’t, and we have been down this track so many times and got the same result.

So here’s the biggest worry with option A. By keeping him now, our clueless board will expect immediate results next season which is next to no chance of happening with the same squad and coach and if he is sacked at any point for next season, our recruitment for 2023 is ruined before it even starts. We can start recruiting in a months time and no one is going to sign for a club that can’t guarantee its coaches safety, especially if that team is the tigers

I think his position at the club is untenable.

And that's precisely what the leakers were trying to achieve. Those on the board who *want* him gone, tell journalists that he *is* gone, then the media frenzy completely undermines him, and then those very same leakers tell the rest of the board - "See! his position is untenable".

Disgusting behaviour, it's like the worst days of Rudd v Gillard and Abbott v Turnbull.

Absolutely ?. Disgusting behaviour by certain Board members and it is why we have had very little success in 22 seasons. The Board is the problem.

Get rid of the board, the CEO and any player that's played 1st grade for the WTs longer than 5 or 6 years for a start. They are part of the loser and corrupt mentality that plagues this club. Bring in an independent entity to clear the decks, look at the organisation and rebuild the whole business from top to bottom. Basically re-start the whole club as if we shut up shop, only we remain the WTs. The place stinks like ass and I've had enough.

Id bring in John Ribot. He set up Brisbane and Melbourne, he knows how to build a club from scratch.

 

[CCWT]

I wonder what Madge is making of all this?

Is it all worth it?

Granted the club hasn’t actually said anything, but they have let the journo’s run him down without any protection.

His stress levels must be through the roof, hopefully they have spoken to him privately with there thoughts otherwise he might just tell them to go to hell.

Well he can’t be thinking that he has done a wonderful job to date. Surely he can’t be thinking that he has improved the team.

Madge was here to fix the culture and weed out the bad eggs, unfortunately it looks like the bad eggs are going to win as everyone is too impatient to see it through

It’s not a lack of patience, I don’t think anyone could accuse WT fans of having no patience. It’s about his coaching ability. Our defence has progressively worsened each year since he arrived. That’s not the boards fault or Pascoes fault, that’s his fault.

You could extend him for 10 years and it wouldn’t make no difference. His coaching style doesn’t work anymore and he can’t adapt. He’s done.

Also, the comment about him coming on board to fix the culture and weed out the bad eggs is rubbish. That’s a recent narrative that was created to excuse his failures. He said he could make finals with the squad he had. Ironically I also think he’s managed to make the culture worse which is an achievement in itself.

Completely disagree, I think it’s 100% lack of patience. Everyone knows Madges style being a hard trainer and tough etc. similar to Bellamy. That’s what the club needed and still does need in my opinion. The only difference now is the problem players or bad eggs are pushing back because they are being challenged to improve and it’s making them uncomfortable. They would prefer to sack the coach and have a few more years leeway before any pressure is applied again.

Is that why they cant tackle? Or the same gaps open in defence with the same regularity every game?

Do you think Madge teaches them how to leave gaps and miss tackles at training?

He is obviously not teaching them not to.

Haha I can’t agree with that. I think the rule changes which has increased the speed of the game and brought in more fatigue, along with a number of rookies has caused the defensive issues with the team

 

[yeahcaz]

So does anyone have any idea of which direction we are heading or when we will know?
Would ideally like us to start planning for nxt year so we don't come last

We’re coming last next year regardless of the coach. Will be 16th and daylight 15th

 

[gallagher]

Madge's position is already untenable.... if the board is split on the decision he should go.

A well run club would not proceed with a coach that half the board want gone, he would be gone end of story, but I did say well run club.

So then how do you read the situation if the board is split on who they replace him with?

I read it as they want Ciraldo, but they are wetting their pants with all the bad media and are second guessing what punting Madge will look like in the media.
A well run club would have another coach lined up, maybe they have I don't know, but they would announce Madge is gone and they thank him but are now moving in another direction.
I just can't see how Madge can stay knowing there are half the board or more who want him sacked, it's untenable now

If they want ciraldo they can just sack madge and say their doing their " due process "

And if Ciraldo falls through? As if that wouldn’t make the media.

You mean if Ciraldo backs out of his agreement with the club? There's way too much smoke for there not to be a fire.

He may have signed a heads of agreement…

haha what a farce that Heads of Agreement comment from Lee was.

Not really, it prevented JAC from signing on with someone else for 2021.

Okay but he still didn't sign with us and is still going where he wanted to.

I know I feel all warm and fuzzy knowing the heads of agreement kept JAC at Melbourne for another year.
What an achievement for our club hey?

Some just can't bare to see how garbage our management is mate.

 

[cochise]

I wonder what Madge is making of all this?

Is it all worth it?

Granted the club hasn’t actually said anything, but they have let the journo’s run him down without any protection.

His stress levels must be through the roof, hopefully they have spoken to him privately with there thoughts otherwise he might just tell them to go to hell.

Well he can’t be thinking that he has done a wonderful job to date. Surely he can’t be thinking that he has improved the team.

Madge was here to fix the culture and weed out the bad eggs, unfortunately it looks like the bad eggs are going to win as everyone is too impatient to see it through

It’s not a lack of patience, I don’t think anyone could accuse WT fans of having no patience. It’s about his coaching ability. Our defence has progressively worsened each year since he arrived. That’s not the boards fault or Pascoes fault, that’s his fault.

You could extend him for 10 years and it wouldn’t make no difference. His coaching style doesn’t work anymore and he can’t adapt. He’s done.

Also, the comment about him coming on board to fix the culture and weed out the bad eggs is rubbish. That’s a recent narrative that was created to excuse his failures. He said he could make finals with the squad he had. Ironically I also think he’s managed to make the culture worse which is an achievement in itself.

Completely disagree, I think it’s 100% lack of patience. Everyone knows Madges style being a hard trainer and tough etc. similar to Bellamy. That’s what the club needed and still does need in my opinion. The only difference now is the problem players or bad eggs are pushing back because they are being challenged to improve and it’s making them uncomfortable. They would prefer to sack the coach and have a few more years leeway before any pressure is applied again.

Is that why they cant tackle? Or the same gaps open in defence with the same regularity every game?

Do you think Madge teaches them how to leave gaps and miss tackles at training?

He is obviously not teaching them not to.

Haha I can’t agree with that. I think the rule changes which has increased the speed of the game and brought in more fatigue, along with a number of rookies has caused the defensive issues with the team

I thought one of Madge's strong suits was he trained the team hard, we should be able to deal with fatigue better than most?

 

[PJ_]

So does anyone have any idea of which direction we are heading or when we will know?
Would ideally like us to start planning for nxt year so we don't come last

We’re coming last next year regardless of the coach. Will be 16th and daylight 15th

Remember the days of 9th position fondly

 

[CCWT]

I wonder what Madge is making of all this?

Is it all worth it?

Granted the club hasn’t actually said anything, but they have let the journo’s run him down without any protection.

His stress levels must be through the roof, hopefully they have spoken to him privately with there thoughts otherwise he might just tell them to go to hell.

Well he can’t be thinking that he has done a wonderful job to date. Surely he can’t be thinking that he has improved the team.

Madge was here to fix the culture and weed out the bad eggs, unfortunately it looks like the bad eggs are going to win as everyone is too impatient to see it through

It’s not a lack of patience, I don’t think anyone could accuse WT fans of having no patience. It’s about his coaching ability. Our defence has progressively worsened each year since he arrived. That’s not the boards fault or Pascoes fault, that’s his fault.

You could extend him for 10 years and it wouldn’t make no difference. His coaching style doesn’t work anymore and he can’t adapt. He’s done.

Also, the comment about him coming on board to fix the culture and weed out the bad eggs is rubbish. That’s a recent narrative that was created to excuse his failures. He said he could make finals with the squad he had. Ironically I also think he’s managed to make the culture worse which is an achievement in itself.

Completely disagree, I think it’s 100% lack of patience. Everyone knows Madges style being a hard trainer and tough etc. similar to Bellamy. That’s what the club needed and still does need in my opinion. The only difference now is the problem players or bad eggs are pushing back because they are being challenged to improve and it’s making them uncomfortable. They would prefer to sack the coach and have a few more years leeway before any pressure is applied again.

Is that why they cant tackle? Or the same gaps open in defence with the same regularity every game?

Do you think Madge teaches them how to leave gaps and miss tackles at training?

He is obviously not teaching them not to.

Haha I can’t agree with that. I think the rule changes which has increased the speed of the game and brought in more fatigue, along with a number of rookies has caused the defensive issues with the team

I thought one of Madge's strong suits was he trained the team hard, we should be able to deal with fatigue better than most?

Only if all the players buy in. When players make silly mistakes which leads to having to defend for longer periods then even the fittest teams will break. Add to that some rookies and some players without a strong enough will to win and they fold under pressure

 

[jadtiger]

I wonder what Madge is making of all this?

Is it all worth it?

Granted the club hasn’t actually said anything, but they have let the journo’s run him down without any protection.

His stress levels must be through the roof, hopefully they have spoken to him privately with there thoughts otherwise he might just tell them to go to hell.

Well he can’t be thinking that he has done a wonderful job to date. Surely he can’t be thinking that he has improved the team.

Madge was here to fix the culture and weed out the bad eggs, unfortunately it looks like the bad eggs are going to win as everyone is too impatient to see it through

It’s not a lack of patience, I don’t think anyone could accuse WT fans of having no patience. It’s about his coaching ability. Our defence has progressively worsened each year since he arrived. That’s not the boards fault or Pascoes fault, that’s his fault.

You could extend him for 10 years and it wouldn’t make no difference. His coaching style doesn’t work anymore and he can’t adapt. He’s done.

Also, the comment about him coming on board to fix the culture and weed out the bad eggs is rubbish. That’s a recent narrative that was created to excuse his failures. He said he could make finals with the squad he had. Ironically I also think he’s managed to make the culture worse which is an achievement in itself.

Completely disagree, I think it’s 100% lack of patience. Everyone knows Madges style being a hard trainer and tough etc. similar to Bellamy. That’s what the club needed and still does need in my opinion. The only difference now is the problem players or bad eggs are pushing back because they are being challenged to improve and it’s making them uncomfortable. They would prefer to sack the coach and have a few more years leeway before any pressure is applied again.

Is that why they cant tackle? Or the same gaps open in defence with the same regularity every game?

Do you think Madge teaches them how to leave gaps and miss tackles at training?

He is obviously not teaching them not to.

Haha I can’t agree with that. I think the rule changes which has increased the speed of the game and brought in more fatigue, along with a number of rookies has caused the defensive issues with the team

I thought one of Madge's strong suits was he trained the team hard, we should be able to deal with fatigue better than most?

"Fatigue" they could deal with "apathy" not so much.Obviously that criticism can not be applied to all our players but generally it was our least experienced players that had a dig and our most experienced players (bar Brooks) who seemed to do the least

 

[BAGNF05]

I wonder what Madge is making of all this?

Is it all worth it?

Granted the club hasn’t actually said anything, but they have let the journo’s run him down without any protection.

His stress levels must be through the roof, hopefully they have spoken to him privately with there thoughts otherwise he might just tell them to go to hell.

Well he can’t be thinking that he has done a wonderful job to date. Surely he can’t be thinking that he has improved the team.

Madge was here to fix the culture and weed out the bad eggs, unfortunately it looks like the bad eggs are going to win as everyone is too impatient to see it through

It’s not a lack of patience, I don’t think anyone could accuse WT fans of having no patience. It’s about his coaching ability. Our defence has progressively worsened each year since he arrived. That’s not the boards fault or Pascoes fault, that’s his fault.

You could extend him for 10 years and it wouldn’t make no difference. His coaching style doesn’t work anymore and he can’t adapt. He’s done.

Also, the comment about him coming on board to fix the culture and weed out the bad eggs is rubbish. That’s a recent narrative that was created to excuse his failures. He said he could make finals with the squad he had. Ironically I also think he’s managed to make the culture worse which is an achievement in itself.

Completely disagree, I think it’s 100% lack of patience. Everyone knows Madges style being a hard trainer and tough etc. similar to Bellamy. That’s what the club needed and still does need in my opinion. The only difference now is the problem players or bad eggs are pushing back because they are being challenged to improve and it’s making them uncomfortable. They would prefer to sack the coach and have a few more years leeway before any pressure is applied again.

Is that why they cant tackle? Or the same gaps open in defence with the same regularity every game?

Do you think Madge teaches them how to leave gaps and miss tackles at training?

He is obviously not teaching them not to.

Haha I can’t agree with that. I think the rule changes which has increased the speed of the game and brought in more fatigue, along with a number of rookies has caused the defensive issues with the team

I thought one of Madge's strong suits was he trained the team hard, we should be able to deal with fatigue better than most?

Only if all the players buy in. When players make silly mistakes which leads to having to defend for longer periods then even the fittest teams will break. Add to that some rookies and some players without a strong enough will to win and they fold under pressure

Nothing to do with fatigue or structure. Watch the opening 15 mins of both halves against the Storm or numerous other openings to games. #peahearts

 

[PJ_]

I wonder what Madge is making of all this?

Is it all worth it?

Granted the club hasn’t actually said anything, but they have let the journo’s run him down without any protection.

His stress levels must be through the roof, hopefully they have spoken to him privately with there thoughts otherwise he might just tell them to go to hell.

Well he can’t be thinking that he has done a wonderful job to date. Surely he can’t be thinking that he has improved the team.

Madge was here to fix the culture and weed out the bad eggs, unfortunately it looks like the bad eggs are going to win as everyone is too impatient to see it through

It’s not a lack of patience, I don’t think anyone could accuse WT fans of having no patience. It’s about his coaching ability. Our defence has progressively worsened each year since he arrived. That’s not the boards fault or Pascoes fault, that’s his fault.

You could extend him for 10 years and it wouldn’t make no difference. His coaching style doesn’t work anymore and he can’t adapt. He’s done.

Also, the comment about him coming on board to fix the culture and weed out the bad eggs is rubbish. That’s a recent narrative that was created to excuse his failures. He said he could make finals with the squad he had. Ironically I also think he’s managed to make the culture worse which is an achievement in itself.

Completely disagree, I think it’s 100% lack of patience. Everyone knows Madges style being a hard trainer and tough etc. similar to Bellamy. That’s what the club needed and still does need in my opinion. The only difference now is the problem players or bad eggs are pushing back because they are being challenged to improve and it’s making them uncomfortable. They would prefer to sack the coach and have a few more years leeway before any pressure is applied again.

Is that why they cant tackle? Or the same gaps open in defence with the same regularity every game?

Do you think Madge teaches them how to leave gaps and miss tackles at training?

He is obviously not teaching them not to.

Haha I can’t agree with that. I think the rule changes which has increased the speed of the game and brought in more fatigue, along with a number of rookies has caused the defensive issues with the team

I thought one of Madge's strong suits was he trained the team hard, we should be able to deal with fatigue better than most?

I don't think we look fatigued at all, imo they seemed fitter than normal.
Our second halves tended to be better and we came back at some sides.
We just looked like we didn't want to be there.
I can hack getting beaten by skill while we don't have the cattle, but getting beaten by effort pisses me off

 

[Tiger5150]

I wonder what Madge is making of all this?

Is it all worth it?

Granted the club hasn’t actually said anything, but they have let the journo’s run him down without any protection.

His stress levels must be through the roof, hopefully they have spoken to him privately with there thoughts otherwise he might just tell them to go to hell.

Well he can’t be thinking that he has done a wonderful job to date. Surely he can’t be thinking that he has improved the team.

Madge was here to fix the culture and weed out the bad eggs, unfortunately it looks like the bad eggs are going to win as everyone is too impatient to see it through

It’s not a lack of patience, I don’t think anyone could accuse WT fans of having no patience. It’s about his coaching ability. Our defence has progressively worsened each year since he arrived. That’s not the boards fault or Pascoes fault, that’s his fault.

You could extend him for 10 years and it wouldn’t make no difference. His coaching style doesn’t work anymore and he can’t adapt. He’s done.

Also, the comment about him coming on board to fix the culture and weed out the bad eggs is rubbish. That’s a recent narrative that was created to excuse his failures. He said he could make finals with the squad he had. Ironically I also think he’s managed to make the culture worse which is an achievement in itself.

Completely disagree, I think it’s 100% lack of patience. Everyone knows Madges style being a hard trainer and tough etc. similar to Bellamy. That’s what the club needed and still does need in my opinion. The only difference now is the problem players or bad eggs are pushing back because they are being challenged to improve and it’s making them uncomfortable. They would prefer to sack the coach and have a few more years leeway before any pressure is applied again.

Is that why they cant tackle? Or the same gaps open in defence with the same regularity every game?

Do you think Madge teaches them how to leave gaps and miss tackles at training?

Does it appear within he last three years that Madge has taught them how NOT to miss tackles or how to close those gaps?

 

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I wonder what Madge is making of all this?

Is it all worth it?

Granted the club hasn’t actually said anything, but they have let the journo’s run him down without any protection.

His stress levels must be through the roof, hopefully they have spoken to him privately with there thoughts otherwise he might just tell them to go to hell.

Well he can’t be thinking that he has done a wonderful job to date. Surely he can’t be thinking that he has improved the team.

Madge was here to fix the culture and weed out the bad eggs, unfortunately it looks like the bad eggs are going to win as everyone is too impatient to see it through

It’s not a lack of patience, I don’t think anyone could accuse WT fans of having no patience. It’s about his coaching ability. Our defence has progressively worsened each year since he arrived. That’s not the boards fault or Pascoes fault, that’s his fault.

You could extend him for 10 years and it wouldn’t make no difference. His coaching style doesn’t work anymore and he can’t adapt. He’s done.

Also, the comment about him coming on board to fix the culture and weed out the bad eggs is rubbish. That’s a recent narrative that was created to excuse his failures. He said he could make finals with the squad he had. Ironically I also think he’s managed to make the culture worse which is an achievement in itself.

Completely disagree, I think it’s 100% lack of patience. Everyone knows Madges style being a hard trainer and tough etc. similar to Bellamy. That’s what the club needed and still does need in my opinion. The only difference now is the problem players or bad eggs are pushing back because they are being challenged to improve and it’s making them uncomfortable. They would prefer to sack the coach and have a few more years leeway before any pressure is applied again.

Is that why they cant tackle? Or the same gaps open in defence with the same regularity every game?

Do you think Madge teaches them how to leave gaps and miss tackles at training?

He is obviously not teaching them not to.

Haha I can’t agree with that. I think the rule changes which has increased the speed of the game and brought in more fatigue, along with a number of rookies has caused the defensive issues with the team

I thought one of Madge's strong suits was he trained the team hard, we should be able to deal with fatigue better than most?

I don't think we look fatigued at all, imo they seemed fitter than normal.
Our second halves tended to be better and we came back at some sides.
We just looked like we didn't want to be there.
I can hack getting beaten by skill while we don't have the cattle, but getting beaten by effort pisses me off

Yeah I don't disagree with that.