Madge vs JT vs Potter vs Cleary

[hobbo1]

As I said above Mighty Tiger summarizes well but for me it can also be summed up like this.

For how many years were we bleating wanting our coach to.....

1. Instill toughness
2. Give juniors a go
3. Drop underperforming players regardless of pay rate
4 pick on form?

Madge is the first to do all of these things. He is the coach we have been asking for

Goes to show people have short memories and don't really know what they want. I actually find it extremely funny. Maguire has appeased just about every couch coach in every way possible, and now that he has done that, they want him sacked. Goes to show how good of a coach all those people would be hahahahaha.


Tell me why he has not dropped Mybe then?
Been playing worst than Benji and Brooks combined.

If Madge has the balls we shouldn’t see Mbye named this week ...let’s see !

Liddle ain’t playing the 80 at hooker. Benji needs to be dropped. Our team will be stronger overall with Mbye there.

Disagree

Mbye is Trash ...
He needs to find another occupation

1 Kepaoa

6 Doohey

7 Brooks ( just)

9 Liddle

14 Reynolds to cover for Liddle

Bye bye Mbye


That makes a lot of sense because Kepaoa has shown himselkf to be so safe under the high ball

He’s had one game ...You fairdinkum ?


Completely fair dinkum. He has had only one game in which he looked like he has never caught a high ball in his life, and you are suggesting him as our fullback. Are YOU fairdinkum?

Yes
Doohey ain’t a fullback period


I can see how that could be argued, Ive seen some positional and defensive shortcomings of Douiehi.

What have you seen in Asu that makes you think he would make a good fullback?

Our best fullback, if you take catching high balls out of the equation is Mbye by a long stretch. But you cant take catching high balls out of the equation, thats a fullbacks job.

What did you see in Asu that makes you think he will be a good fullback?

The main thing that Doohey lacks ..
SPEED

 

[jirskyr]

9 years since we’ve made finals, but Madge has only been here 18 months.

It took Brad Arthur 4 seasons to get Parra to the finals, not including the half-season he had after Kearney was sacked, and he still managed to pick up a wooden spoon the year after that. Made 3 finals in 7.5 seasons and has found himself the recipient of a contract extension.

Now is Brad Arthur a good or bad coach? Or is he a decent coach and he was given time and patience to bring his plan around over a large number of seasons.

 

[JC99]

9 years since we’ve made finals, but Madge has only been here 18 months.

It took Brad Arthur 4 seasons to get Parra to the finals, not including the half-season he had after Kearney was sacked, and he still managed to pick up a wooden spoon the year after that. Made 3 finals in 7.5 seasons and has found himself the recipient of a contract extension.

Now is Brad Arthur a good or bad coach? Or is he a decent coach and he was given time and patience to bring his plan around over a large number of seasons.

He’s a decent coach has just built a good roster slowly over the years. It’s not like they’re playing some amazing brand of football he’s just built a really good squad.

 

[izotope]

9 years since we’ve made finals, but Madge has only been here 18 months.

It took Brad Arthur 4 seasons to get Parra to the finals, not including the half-season he had after Kearney was sacked, and he still managed to pick up a wooden spoon the year after that. Made 3 finals in 7.5 seasons and has found himself the recipient of a contract extension.

Now is Brad Arthur a good or bad coach? Or is he a decent coach and he was given time and patience to bring his plan around over a large number of seasons.

spot on gonna take many years till were a force,
The real question is do you want to have a splash and dash like 2005 or have some performance standards set that will leave you competitive year after year.

Expectations that we will turn it around in 18months or two years is laughable after 20 (minus 1) year of mediocrity.
And to be honest 3 real stinkers this year, rest of them we have been their abouts.

I think its the hope we had after penrith parra broncs games to come crashing back down to earth

 

[tiger05premier]

I really believe In Madge to take us forward but I will say one thing: Under Potter were had some many scrum based moves, blind side raids and set moves that we were exciting unpredictable - I really miss that!

Potter was a good coach ... cut away that Farah garbage and actual see how the team played . The club letting Farah run the organisation with everything revolving around him is a good indication of the leaders ship at the top this club actually has .. there is a reason the club has not played finals footy for just on a decade . The mediocrity sits around a table once a month !!

The further Farah is away from this club the better. Legend for what he did on the field and I love him but off field he caused trouble.

A bit like another hooker Balmain has in the 80's

 

[facepalmer]

Nobody wanted to lose Cleary. I think everyone was "on the bus" right up til it was clear he wasn't and it blindsided everybody. The reason he's so maligned is because how much promise we had with him. It's easy to say he sucks with hindsight but his signings hadn't completely proven to be duds by then and also if we kept him I'd say we'd currently have Nathan Cleary in our side and who knows who else.

So yeah I'd have preferred to have kept Cleary. I think we'd be in a better spot right now. But also Madge has my support. He's a good coach with a tough job ahead of him and needs all the support he can get. I don't see any value in churning yet another coach because our club is such a basket case. Give him at least 3, maybe 4 years. Nobody else is gonna come in next year or the year after and immediately "put their stamp" on the joint. I'd say give him til the season after Mbye's contract us up personally.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

We wont drip Mmbye, we cant throw Liddle in if he gets hurt again then we lose out next year.
If we are serious Jennings gets his wing spot back next week he may not be spectacular but he is better than AJ at the moment

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Cleary is the best coach for sure, not happy with what1 he did to us it is morally bankrupt but in all likelihood Nathan didnt want to come here and he wanted to coach his son.
Madge had a good side at souths, Burgess Inglis Reynolds isaac luke he bashed and barged his way to a comp.
Cleary has taken an average warriors side to a GF, and has penrith firing and took us to a whisker of the 8 last year.
JT had a goodnside but his arrogance with Farah was appalling and signing Ballin, what a goose and no man manager.
Potter was unlucky he had the fallout with robbie via that goose Tallis repeating what he said in confidence, feel a bit sorry for Potter really.

 

[Geo]

Cleary has taken an average warriors side to a GF, and has penrith firing and took us to a whisker of the 8 last year.

Maguire was our coach last year...

 

[happy_tiger]

Cleary has taken an average warriors side to a GF, and has penrith firing and took us to a whisker of the 8 last year.

Maguire was our coach last year...

Is he our coach this year

 

[05TIGZZ]

The way he chops and changes the halves is akin to me looking in the fridge when I’m hungry and there’s nothing there. Then 10 minutes later looking again thinking something would have magically appeared. But nothing ever does.

I reckon if you did a poll on the forum to see what people would put as our halves you’d have 5 or 6 different combinations. Madge keeps mixing it up with the halves because not one of them has put their hand up and said I deserve this spot. Madge has done what the other 3 didn’t do and that is drop under performing players and make them accountable. Let’s not compare him please to the coach that has tedesco, Moses, woods, brooks , ado Carr, papyhenziun at his disposal and did nothing with them. That would be the gravest insult to any coach.

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

Cleary has taken an average warriors side to a GF, and has penrith firing and took us to a whisker of the 8 last year.

Cleary had two of the greatest forwards of the NRL era, Steve Price and Ruben Wiki, at his disposal from the get-go. The Warriors of the 2007-2012 era had a really good pathways setup, which is how they were able to become a force in those years. They had a stupid amount of good talent come then, names such as Ben Matulino, Russell Packer, Kevin Locke, Sonny Fai, Elijah Taylor, Glen Fisiiahi, Ben Henry and Shaun Johnson. They built year-by-year, making astute signings that fitted their squad to compliment the young-guns coming through. Guys such as Brett Seymour, Brent Tate, Jacob Lillyman, Krisnan Inu, James Maloney, Shaun Berrigan and Feleti Mateo all filtered in slowly over the years.

Now here's the difference. The Warriors back then were actually struggling to spend their salary cap. Most players' contracts in the team were so heavily front-loaded because they didn't have enough good players to use the whole cap. It meant they had ample money to sign just about anyone who would come, provided they were the right fit. Guys like Tate and Mateo got handsome paydays.

Back to us. We don't have this luxury. We are missing out on so many players due to cap mismanagement, which I know we're all aware of. It means when we do have space, we might spend it on a player just cause they're free (Mbye), not because they're the right fit. Back then, the Warriors were smart and bided their time until they were able to make the right moves. Honestly, we should be doing something similar. In fairness, the only players we missed out on (that we wanted) since Madge started were Zac Lomax, Jai Arrow and Latrell Mitchell. The only real miss is Lomax, who we missed cause St George offered him a stupidly long and expensive contract. The other two had absurd asking prices.

Here is the positive: The transfer market will be quieter than usual this off season (for signing players 2021). The reason? COVID-19. Lots of players have recently signed deals based on job security. Next season (signing players for 2022), the market will explode. There are a high number of good players who will be available to be signed from November this year. The good news? We will be cashed up, while few other clubs will be in a similar position.

On another note, the Warriors really should have became a powerhouse after that. No idea what went wrong. The talent well dried up and the next coach that came in had no clue. Had Cleary stayed, there is a good chance they would have won a premiership by now.

 

[Fade.To.Black]

This whole good coach or bad coach thing is drivel, always has been.
Show me a coach who has a crap roster that has them firing. There are none. Simple
"Good coaches" almost always have great rosters. It's no coincidence.
Take beesting-head Robinson for example, the 1 season he had injuries and whatnot: the Rorters finished 14th or 15th IIRC.

 

[sheer64]

Madge inherited a side with;

Maybe Mbye $950k
Wacko Packer $700K?
Just Reynolds $750k

None of the above are capable of playing a team into the top 8 and take up nearly 1/4 of our cap.

 

[bigsiro]

Nobody wanted to lose Cleary. I think everyone was "on the bus" right up til it was clear he wasn't and it blindsided everybody. The reason he's so maligned is because how much promise we had with him. It's easy to say he sucks with hindsight but his signings hadn't completely proven to be duds by then and also if we kept him I'd say we'd currently have Nathan Cleary in our side and who knows who else.

So yeah I'd have preferred to have kept Cleary. I think we'd be in a better spot right now. But also Madge has my support. He's a good coach with a tough job ahead of him and needs all the support he can get. I don't see any value in churning yet another coach because our club is such a basket case. Give him at least 3, maybe 4 years. Nobody else is gonna come in next year or the year after and immediately "put their stamp" on the joint. I'd say give him til the season after Mbye's contract us up personally.

I think this is true, except that we were never getting Nathan - and as soon as that became evident it was a matter of time for Ivan.
We needed to go all in for Nathan.
Bloody Brooks. :face_palm:

 

[Telltails]

Nobody wanted to lose Cleary. I think everyone was "on the bus" right up til it was clear he wasn't and it blindsided everybody. The reason he's so maligned is because how much promise we had with him. It's easy to say he sucks with hindsight but his signings hadn't completely proven to be duds by then and also if we kept him I'd say we'd currently have Nathan Cleary in our side and who knows who else.

So yeah I'd have preferred to have kept Cleary. I think we'd be in a better spot right now. But also Madge has my support. He's a good coach with a tough job ahead of him and needs all the support he can get. I don't see any value in churning yet another coach because our club is such a basket case. Give him at least 3, maybe 4 years. Nobody else is gonna come in next year or the year after and immediately "put their stamp" on the joint. I'd say give him til the season after Mbye's contract us up personally.

I think this is true, except that we were never getting Nathan - and as soon as that became evident it was a matter of time for Ivan.
We needed to go all in for Nathan.
Bloody Brooks. :face_palm:

Ivan sort of toyed with us enough to believe that it was possible Nathan would come When I think back about him nothing was ever very definitive when he talked about us. Maguire on the other hand has been very clear about his intentions - but these days a week in footy is a long time.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Nobody wanted to lose Cleary. I think everyone was "on the bus" right up til it was clear he wasn't and it blindsided everybody. The reason he's so maligned is because how much promise we had with him. It's easy to say he sucks with hindsight but his signings hadn't completely proven to be duds by then and also if we kept him I'd say we'd currently have Nathan Cleary in our side and who knows who else.

So yeah I'd have preferred to have kept Cleary. I think we'd be in a better spot right now. But also Madge has my support. He's a good coach with a tough job ahead of him and needs all the support he can get. I don't see any value in churning yet another coach because our club is such a basket case. Give him at least 3, maybe 4 years. Nobody else is gonna come in next year or the year after and immediately "put their stamp" on the joint. I'd say give him til the season after Mbye's contract us up personally.

I think this is true, except that we were never getting Nathan - and as soon as that became evident it was a matter of time for Ivan.
We needed to go all in for Nathan.
Bloody Brooks. :face_palm:

Brooks played very well under Ivan. Ivan gets the best from his Panther halves. He also has strong interpersonal skills. I would think Maguire needs to learn from Ivan in this aspect of coaching.

While I'm at it, i'll also suggest we need to look. at the style of football we play. Johns hit on it a few weeks ago when on 9 he said WTs won't make the finals because the style of football played is physically demanding.

Are all the posts for a forward leader may be related?

 

[Strider]

I would agree best I have seen Brooks play is under Cleary.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Nobody wanted to lose Cleary. I think everyone was "on the bus" right up til it was clear he wasn't and it blindsided everybody. The reason he's so maligned is because how much promise we had with him. It's easy to say he sucks with hindsight but his signings hadn't completely proven to be duds by then and also if we kept him I'd say we'd currently have Nathan Cleary in our side and who knows who else.

So yeah I'd have preferred to have kept Cleary. I think we'd be in a better spot right now. But also Madge has my support. He's a good coach with a tough job ahead of him and needs all the support he can get. I don't see any value in churning yet another coach because our club is such a basket case. Give him at least 3, maybe 4 years. Nobody else is gonna come in next year or the year after and immediately "put their stamp" on the joint. I'd say give him til the season after Mbye's contract us up personally.

I think this is true, except that we were never getting Nathan - and as soon as that became evident it was a matter of time for Ivan.
We needed to go all in for Nathan.
Bloody Brooks. :face_palm:

Brooks played very well under Ivan. Ivan gets the best from his Panther halves. He also has strong interpersonal skills. I would think Maguire needs to learn from Ivan in this aspect of coaching.

While I'm at it, i'll also suggest we need to look. at the style of football we play. Johns hit on it a few weeks ago when on 9 he said WTs won't make the finals because the style of football played is physically demanding.

Are all the posts for a forward leader may be related?

Apparently it’s all Barrett. Even though Barrett did barely anything with Manly. The lengths some will go to discount Ivan when he walked on water when he coached us is bemusing.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Nobody wanted to lose Cleary. I think everyone was "on the bus" right up til it was clear he wasn't and it blindsided everybody. The reason he's so maligned is because how much promise we had with him. It's easy to say he sucks with hindsight but his signings hadn't completely proven to be duds by then and also if we kept him I'd say we'd currently have Nathan Cleary in our side and who knows who else.

So yeah I'd have preferred to have kept Cleary. I think we'd be in a better spot right now. But also Madge has my support. He's a good coach with a tough job ahead of him and needs all the support he can get. I don't see any value in churning yet another coach because our club is such a basket case. Give him at least 3, maybe 4 years. Nobody else is gonna come in next year or the year after and immediately "put their stamp" on the joint. I'd say give him til the season after Mbye's contract us up personally.

I think this is true, except that we were never getting Nathan - and as soon as that became evident it was a matter of time for Ivan.
We needed to go all in for Nathan.
Bloody Brooks. :face_palm:

Brooks played very well under Ivan. Ivan gets the best from his Panther halves. He also has strong interpersonal skills. I would think Maguire needs to learn from Ivan in this aspect of coaching.

While I'm at it, i'll also suggest we need to look. at the style of football we play. Johns hit on it a few weeks ago when on 9 he said WTs won't make the finals because the style of football played is physically demanding.

Are all the posts for a forward leader may be related?


Apparently it’s all Barrett. Even though Barrett did barely anything with Manly. The lengths some will go to discount Ivan when he walked on water when he coached us is bemusing.

Barrett has had a big impact on their overall attack but Brooks/Mbye were playing heaps better under Cleary.