Magpies NSW Cup no longer a feeder for Wests Tigers!

[tigers05]

Willow - yes and yes to raising the issue(s) with both wt and wm. I am
a member of both football clubs and both ashfield and campbelltown. I have written letters to ceo and chaiman of wm. I dont expect results or changes from the forum itself but it does get people talking about the subject matter and that message may get down to those in power.
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Unfortunately you are part of the minority nothing you say or do nor people whom share your view point can change the momentum the Wests Tigers have both Balmain and Wests will make us proud of our history but will die a slow death like all diehards. It is time to leave that all behind and embrace the future once and for all I say…...........

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[Benjirific]

Willow - i am not pointing the finger at forum members, balmain aligned 'people' or wt fans. Its venting frustration about an issue that yes is partly due to actions or inactions by WSDRLFC (both past and present) and the situation of campbelltown leagues club board voting with balmain on jv issues. I acknowledge that and i cant change that personally. I think these wt sub forums is the place for these views and opinions. I know you differ personally on how i view these sub forum topics but i appreciate that you offer a platform to dicuss and debate.
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Learning to play to pattern is something that is critical to the long-term success of our team and squad! That makes a single feeder team critical!!

While I did not enjoy seeing the likes of Waters, Pearn and Akeripa forced to join Balmain as part of our top 32 - it is a necessary evil and due to very simple logistics (incl. Meriton sponsoring both teams + simple kms travelled etc) the JV has chosen to continue with Balmain!

And it must also be stated for those who believe Balmain are lying down - the NSW Cup team will continue to be known as Balmain-Ryde Eastwood Tigers (NOT Wests Tigers) and train out of Leichhardt.

Also - for those who suggest Balmain have sold-out by entering into a partnership with Ryde-Eastwood Leagues Club(s) - do you realise that Ryde-Eastwood represent a long-term JRLF Club that exists within the borders of the traditonal & current Balmain junior district??????

And as such our partnership with them is nothing more insidious or unrepresentative than Souths funding arrangements with the un-affliiated Souths Juniors licensed club!!!

As Balmain struggles through the Victoria Road premises closure, we remain buoyant about the redevelopment plus the two interim clubs prospects, and our good old neighbours at Ryde-Eastwood were happy to lend support & buy into such a successful and marketable franchise!

The injection of cash from R/E Club is a huge additional bonus to the JV!!! What are Western Suburbs doing to be able to create a similarly mutually beneficial outcome???

Some Magpies supporters on this forum also falsely stated the untimely demise of the Balmain RLFC in NSW Cup!!!

But why be bitter when proven wrong and whinge about "that's unfair….blah ....blah" - provide a quality business case (wholistically - not just sentimentally) why Western Suburbs should be our feeder in 2013!!!

Right on the mark there.

WT will only send players to one State Cup team (which is their prerogative and in my opinion is the correct move for the joint venture) - FACT

The proposition of a joint venture State Cup team was put to both sides of the joint venture - FACT

Balmain decided to vote in favour of it, and the Wests Ashfield and Campbelltown members of the WT board voted in favour of one State Cup team - FACT

Wests Magpies then decided they wanted their own State Cup team, despite the WT board voting for one team, therefore Balmain Ryde-Eastwood were made the WT feeder team. Wests did not want to be a part of WT's State Cup plans, so there should be no complaints that there is no WT 'help' for Wests Magpies State Cup. The Balmain Ryde-Eastwood team in the State Cup may as well be called Wests Tigers, but since Wests Magpies decided they wanted nothing to do with WT at State Cup level, then is is called Balmain Ryde-Eastwood Tigers. This is also despite the Magpies coach and WT contracted players from 2011 playing for them. WT aren't directly 'helping' Balmain for a State Cup team, they are simply adopting the Balmain Ryde-Eastwood Tigers name for their State Cup team. And since the people are already in place, it is being run administratively by Balmain Tigers, whose staff work out of WT offices at Concord as it is the most logical place to do so.

The argument that because Wests Magpies can fund their own side they should get the WT contracted players is irrelevant. If the shoe was on the other foot, Balmain Ryde-Eastwood would still have a team in the competition, with the Balmain Tigers club supported by the Ryde-Eastwood Leagues Club, who have long been a supporter of the Balmain club. The Magpies have no help from WT because they have shown on countless occasions that they DON'T WANT IT.

**That is why Wests Magpies are no longer a feeder club for WT.**

 

[Balmain_Bug]

This is ridiculous. Benjirific, how do you explain Balmain Ryde Eastwood getting the best NRL players, equipment, training facilities etc etc in the years between 2006 and 2011 then?

 

[Guest]

This is ridiculous. Benjirific, how do you explain Balmain Ryde Eastwood getting the best NRL players, equipment, training facilities etc etc in the years between 2006 and 2011 then?

It's in the past Bug, let it go. We're talking about the present and future here.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

I'll ask the question again, but I am sure it will be ignored as per the other thread. Outside of the top 25 players wages, how much funding is Wests Tigers providing for the state cup team? Does Balmain-Ryde-Eastwood provide ANY funding?

The issue is as follows: if Wests Tigers are picking up the entire tab for the State Cup team, what happens if Wests Tigers make a loss during the season? Does the Wests Group (mainly Ashfield and Campbelltown) cover all the losses? Does Balmain (Leagues club) still have capacity to cover the losses as per the JV agreement?

I really don't care how many teams are linked to Wests Tigers, who gets the first grade players etc. I care about equity at the board level.

 

[system]

I'll ask the question again, but I am sure it will be ignored as per the other thread. Outside of the top 25 players wages, how much funding is Wests Tigers providing for the state cup team? Does Balmain-Ryde-Eastwood provide ANY funding?

Ryde Eastwood and Meriton provide the remainder of the funding if my reading of the situation is correct.

Wests Tigers only come into the picture for players outside the top squad if they need to use players on the second tier contract for example the use of Meaney and Al Schirnack last season

 

[happy_tiger]

Lets hope we only need the feeder players for Representative games and not for a crippling injury toll like the past from either side

 

[magpiecol]

With the majority of the top players last year, I have forgotten. How did this team end up.

 

[system]

With the majority of the top players last year, I have forgotten. How did this team end up.

Not great but they were a superb port of call to help the club maintain through a horrific injury toll which speaks volumes about one team using the same systems as WT and the ease of transition.

I assume that isn't important to you though :wink:

 

[happy_tiger]

I'm personally getting annoyed at "Balmain" fans having shots at "Wests" fans and vice versa Has everyone forgotten we are all "Wests Tigers" supporters and this should be first and foremost in our minds

Do you realize you are arguing about competition that probably draws less than 25000 fans throughout the year excluding GF of course
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These threads are detrimental to the Forum in my opinion

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I'm personally getting annoyed at "Balmain" fans having shots at "Wests" fans and vice versa Has everyone forgotten we are all "Wests Tigers" supporters and this should be first and foremost in our minds

Do you realize you are arguing about competition that probably draws less than 25000 fans throughout the year excluding GF of course
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These threads are detrimental to the Forum in my opinion

I'm of the same opinion Happy… These threads regarding Wests and Balmain get out of control far too quickly as people let passion and emotion override commonsense and rationality. It's the primary reason why I don't comment on them anymore.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

the pot shots and the accusations of 'whinging diehards' are stupid. There clearly is a lack of respect in regards to other peoples life long love of the clubs that formed Wests Tigers

 

[innsaneink]

Don't expect them to listen to reason red, they'll simply keep on whinging about how hard done by Wests are, when at the end of the day **Wests management are the cause of the issue in the first place by <big>refusing</bigto merge with Balmain.** It's the price Wests paid to keep alive their own State Cup team.

Why did they have to merge?
Balmain had to…Wests didnt...but if wests didnt, this is the consequences.

So BRET is now BREWT?

Its not beaut, its brewt!!

What happened to the "ransom" quote ink (have you finally become self-concious about your own rants)??

PS - It would be BREWST - you are "Western Suburbs" - NOT "Wests" after all!!!!

(Are you so oppressed as a group that you are losing your traditional identity already?)

It was late, I was tired, realized I meant to write blackmail instead of ransom.

Wests shouldnt be forced into doing anything they dont want to. Thats how it sounds to me…not that Ive been too interested, but it does seem like BRET get everything now because Wests refused to merge.
Maybe old Balmain fans are used to having no team, its been Balmain Ryde for a long time now....goalposts moving with time

 

[Sabre]

Don't expect them to listen to reason red, they'll simply keep on whinging about how hard done by Wests are, when at the end of the day **Wests management are the cause of the issue in the first place by <big>refusing</bigto merge with Balmain.** It's the price Wests paid to keep alive their own State Cup team.

Why did they have to merge?
Balmain had to…Wests didnt...but if wests didnt, this is the consequences.

So BRET is now BREWT?

Its not beaut, its brewt!!

Kind of the opposite of 2000 then…but I dont want to start that debate.

Sounds like Wests have just chosen to have all of nothing rather than part of something

 

[tigers05]

No point leaving a view point they only get deleted. If you are going to surpress freedom of speech on here you might as well as burn the papers cause the crap that is written in them is far worse than what is said in here

 

[Spartan117]

Is this the third thread this week to say virtually the same things.

Maybe we need to set up a Magpies forum.

 

[Benjirific]

This is ridiculous. Benjirific, how do you explain Balmain Ryde Eastwood getting the best NRL players, equipment, training facilities etc etc in the years between 2006 and 2011 then?

It's in the past Bug, let it go. We're talking about the present and future here.

While it is all in the past, this same proposition has been put to the Wests Magpies between those years, and the same thing happened, they didn't want a bar of it. For a couple of years WT couldn't bother fighting with them and simply split the players, but they knew what they wanted, and I applaud them for putting their foot down. Balmain get what WT offer both sides because they accept the proposal, while Wests fight against it, and seeming then complain they're not getting a fair go.

 

[happy_tiger]

the pot shots and the accusations of 'whinging diehards' are stupid. There clearly is a lack of respect in regards to other peoples life long love of the clubs that formed Wests Tigers

GNR I love the Magpies as much as the next person but Wests and Balmain as we knew them in their heydays are dead sorry

Maybe because I saw my Brisbane club I supported all my life die I am slightly immune to all of this but that unfortunately is the reality of the situation and nothing (I don't think ) can change that

Wests and Balmain are never as a single entity going to be a part of the NRL

The Wests Tigers are the now and the future

Lets put our efforts we are wasting squabbling about Balmain and Wests to the side and use them to make the Wests Tigers stronger

 

[batboy]

All in all… NO-ONE has even remotely suggested from a buisness or progressive point of view WHY the Magpies should be the sole feeder team. It has (Many, Many Times) come back to passion, who has the money and equity.
The reason for this... Is there ISN'T ONE!! The Wests Group DO HAVE EQUITY at board level... The problem seems it doesn't filter through to WSDRLFC, Once again... It comes back to the disharmony amongst the various facets of the Wests Group... Simply put. Some people don't like the way other people operate!! For too long this has affected Wests Tigers progression.... Well it appears WT have had enough, And about time!! From here on in it appears it's thier way or the Highway.... WSRLFC Chose the Highway and are now dealing with the ramifications of it.
This Rubbish... And that's what it is... RUBBISH!!, That Ashfield and Campbelltown are voting with Balmain at Board Level can only stem from the facts... that combined, They want to be heading in the right direction... FOR A PRODUCTIVE FUTURE!! I don't know who's coming up with the ideas / buisness plans, But they're evidently working and everyone seems be agreeing.
I read here that Balmain got "All the Best Players from 06-11" What RUBBISH!!! Wests Had A Fifita, Trimarchi, Moors, Daniela, McDonnell etc, etc... That I would consider well up there with the cream of our Fringers for some time.
As for dismissing The Maggies opinions... These threads are about WHY Wests should be the sole feeder team... Opinion or passion has nothing to do with it, After upteen pages NOBODY has come up with a vailid reason, Most stating they wish to keep the "Magpie" Brand alive. WHY?? This may come as a shock to most people... But the Magpie brand is Dead... NO!! Not in our hearts, Not in our minds... But as a marketable product in the greater NRL Community... It's dead!! It's the reason that both clubs found themselves in the position at the end of last century that they did!! WT's has built a brand... A STRONG BRAND, But it has taken a long time... For how long did we have to look up info of our new sponsor, Because we had never heard of them??? Now we have Hyundai, Meriton... Amongst others, SOMETHING IS DEFINATELY WORKING!!
STILL NO-ONE HAS GIVEN ME AN ANSWER ON THE BENEFIT TO WT's OF HAVING OUR FRINGERS BELTING EACH OTHER.... Once again, The reason for this is there isn't one!!
Some say that WT's would be nothing without the Magpies, This is true (to a certain extent...) On the other side of the coin... The Wests Magpies would be nothing without the Wests Tigers, The time has come to call a spade a spade!!
I can appreciate everyones passion, And persective.... But at the end of the day, WT's is calling the shots.... And marketing thier brand. If they don't want thier feeder team to be the Western Suburbs Magpies... Because the administration doesn't want to work with them, That is a more than reasonable and fair choice. If the Magpies continue to field a team to please the 150 spectators from week to week then that is also a reasonable and fair decision.
Everyone talks about the merger and the JV, But everyone seems to forget that it happened!!
Both Balmain and Wests were victims of themselves... Wests Tigers remains, And doesn't seem to need any advice on how to run things.
Up and up for WT, Up and up for Humpa... I for one, Couldn't be happier with the way things are run, The prospects for now and the future outlook for Wests Tigers.

 

[galahs]

And what about football in the Macarthur? Once again everything favours the inner suburbs of Sydney, nothing favours the growth area where the majority of players in the future will come from.

Really forward thinking!