Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers

@geo said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303418) said:
Results..

Yes he needs them this year and he needs to own it

But so do the players, management, coaching staff.....

We have been so poor for so long it’s hard to finger one person or group within the club.

I am very confident the management are on track.
I am very confident our recruitment and retention is on track.
I’m quite confident we have the right coaching team.
I’m developing confidence in our playing group.

No finger pointing in 2021. One in, all in. Just make the top 8
 
@tigerap said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303406) said:
So glad we are finally over the sheens era..Farah and Marshall their comeback was seen as fairytale, imo it actually was a setback...they were too influential on the club and players such as Brooks....

I lost a lot of faith in the club when they were
re-signed. Thankfully were through it.
 
I think Madge has said what most fans assumed. The issue we have is leadership. He can only drive standards if senior player it in.
Look at Tom Brady with the Patriots, Cam Smith at Storm. He’s banking on James Tamou to be that man and it looks like some young guys will run with him.

Maybe I’m reading too much into it but Mbye is goner was the captain.
 
Love this article.
It's the type of article that seems planned by the club. Definitely sounds like he wanted to put that message out there.

Most likely to give a statement of intent to the team, that last year you got away with excuses, this year is different.

Let's hope this year is different, I'm sick of underachieving
 
@jc99 said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303419) said:
@speed2burn said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303416) said:
@jc99 said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303393) said:
Love how Madge talks. Dunno if he will win a premiership for us but he sure as hell is working his ass off to turn the culture around at our club. Love his passion for our club and he's put us into a good spot.

He's old school he's tough he doesn't mince his words but after years of being a club run by the players his hard attitude is just what we needed and it's proven to bring success

If he stays here long enough I reckon he will, if not atleast turn us into a consistent top 8 team which is all you can ask for

I hope so. We are going in the right direction, we just need some star players. Hopefully our young talent can do that in the coming years or we can snag a top line player from somewhere else. Definitely feels like there's a culture shift happening but we will have to wait and see how long it takes to happen on the field



In this age of communication, players are pretty chummy and have a lot of dialogue between eachother outside of the game. If our guys are genuinely buying in to Madge's ethos, they'll unintentionally sell it to their mates just through their honesty and conviction. A form of networking, and hey, hopefully we do start to generate some serious interest from the elite spectrum of players... not just punks trying to bump up their value elsewhere.
 
I also found the tone of this article interesting. When it started I thought this was their attempt to add more shape to the narrative of Maguire. But it turned out it was just their way of doubling down on what he's doing (and in the process, subtly having a dig at one or two who left).

I'm expecting to see a dig at Maguire's methods leaked to the press in the coming fortnight in response.
 
@thedaboss said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303432) said:
Huh

Where is ths eggshells, the drama, the punchups... this isnt a tigers article 😂😂



No eggshells here, Madge dramatically boiled those eggs, at boiling point, to the point that we are hard-boiled premiership eggs! 🤨
 
@tony-soprano said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303401) said:
@strongee said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303400) said:
@851 said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303396) said:
Mr egg shells caused a lot of issues, they won't be a problem now, the club will be a far better performed club this year without him

That’s such crap aye . (The egg shells stuff not what you said ) . Benji literally twice , when facing the arse , went into promo mode . And he clearly took a couple of players with him to the circus . I bet most of those guys , if not all are on the departure list . It’s pretty much insinuated that the noise was coming from the old guys . Wow they really did think this was a retirement village . I’m so glad he got rid of them . As for the job looking stuff . Of course Madges manager looked around , he’s trying to get the best deal for his client , especially if his client has made it known to all and sundry that he wants to stay . He’s trying to create leverage and bargaining power.

Mbye and benji come to mind. Last year must have been a tough one for Madge.



What other clubs were available to him?

Broncos?
 
@jadtiger said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303403) said:
Its a pity Madge was not here when we had M.Moses at the club, that really would have been a joy for all of us fans.At least now every player knows what to expect and what is required both on and off the field.
Time for the players to start delivering or they can move on

I have my doubts that Madge would have handled Moses any better than he handled Farah.
 
@kazoo-kid said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303392) said:
[**‘I’m not dealing with kids here’: Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers**](https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/i-m-not-dealing-with-kids-here-maguire-lifts-lid-on-player-power-at-tigers-20210214-p572e5.html)

By [Michael Chammas](https://www.smh.com.au/by/michael-chammas-hvenc)

There’s a perception of Michael Maguire that the coach just can’t shake. Nor does he care to.

In the last two seasons, that perception has arguably cost the Wests Tigers the signatures of several big-name stars reluctant to become just another chapter in the story of the intense, ruthless coach who pushes his players to the brink - and sometimes beyond.

Last year, at the risk of losing his job, which has since been secured in the form of a two-year extension, Maguire drove his players beyond their comfort zone. Some turned on him.

"I was aware," Maguire admitted of the growing unrest in the playing group towards him. "I was well aware. We were pushing boundaries that we hadn’t pushed before. But we have to push the club to a higher level. If we keep doing things the same, we will get the same result."

When the Herald sat down to interview Maguire recently, it was apparent that little is known about the coach and his interests away from rugby league.

"You probably don’t ask the right questions," Maguire fires back. "You always want to go to the other stuff. I’ve got plenty of different interests."

But even when asked the "right questions", Maguire reverts back to an old school give-em-nothing approach that - for the most part - has served him well throughout his coaching career.

"It’s nothing that I want to share," he says. But it’s that very demeanour that amplifies a perception that is backed up by the stories of boa constrictors and baseball bats in dressing rooms, or how South Sydney players used to get fined for using certain words in the media.

"If they are doing it on the park, doesn’t that do the talking?" Maguire asks. "I get we need to do our part to promote the game and those sorts of things, but the success on the park is what creates the greatest ride.

"If I see my players successful and the boys enjoying the ride of what happens when you win a grand final, they get to see what’s real. Because I saw a lot of fans [at Souths] enjoying that ride. They are the ones I care about. I saw a lot of Souths fans living in hope. It went from hope to actually believing it. Then it was that belief that helped us achieve it. That’s more special than people knowing about what I do away from footy.

"The players may say certain things about how hard it was, but I tell you when they were doing that lap around that field with the trophy on grand final day, it was a pretty great moment. They are things this club deserves. That’s why I was so keen to come here."

On day one of pre-season, following a year of stories questioning his coaching methods and their effectiveness on the modern-day footballer, Maguire addressed a squad shorn of over 1000 games of experience. While his demands had previously been met with raised eyebrows by senior players, his audience is now largely receptive.

“I think we all know times have changed and you need to handle each person in a different light,” Maguire said. “But I’m also dealing with men. I’m not dealing with kids here. It is the responsibility of the senior guys to set a tone around what they want to achieve. If they go after that and they set standards, it influences the young ones.

“You’re growing these men to take ownership of what they are doing. We need leaders to help these younger generations realise that life is not easy. There are challenges, but if you fight through those challenges, it’s amazing what you can achieve.”

Maguire won’t go into detail about how his once-strong relationship with Tigers legend Benji Marshall deteriorated after he dropped the five-eighth following the round four loss to the Gold Coast Titans.

But Maguire made no apologies when asked if he made unnecessary changes that ultimately led to the players, in a private team meeting, admitting they were “walking on eggshells” around their coach.

“I’ve come to the club to make it successful,” Maguire said. “Did I make change for stimulation last year? Yeah, I did. At times it worked, at times it didn’t. But if you keep doing the same you’ll end up the same. I think sometimes you have to be able to get people out of their comfort zone to go to another level.”

Some at the Wests Tigers last year - both in the playing group and head office - questioned Maguire’s stomach for the fight when reports emerged that he had thrown his hat in the ring for other jobs.

Maguire admits he questioned his ability to succeed in the task of turning the joint venture into the powerhouse it could be given its membership and junior nursery. But he insists that, in the end, it only strengthened his resolve.

"Along the way people are going to talk and chatter and ask questions," Maguire said of the speculation that he was looking for another job.

“Did I have thoughts around how large the challenges ahead of me were going to be? Definitely, I’m not going to lie about that. When I sat down and the Wests Tigers became a club that was available to come to, it was the one I actually wanted. I see the size of the club and the momentum that will get behind the Wests Tigers is enormous. I feel that’s coming.

"Have I seen the change as fast as I would have liked? Probably not. There are more challenges in this job than what I’ve experienced before, but we will make this club successful."

So you DID apply for the Cowboys job and the Walker Brothers weren't LYING ?????
 
@happy_tiger said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303440) said:
@kazoo-kid said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303392) said:
[**‘I’m not dealing with kids here’: Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers**](https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/i-m-not-dealing-with-kids-here-maguire-lifts-lid-on-player-power-at-tigers-20210214-p572e5.html)

By [Michael Chammas](https://www.smh.com.au/by/michael-chammas-hvenc)

There’s a perception of Michael Maguire that the coach just can’t shake. Nor does he care to.

In the last two seasons, that perception has arguably cost the Wests Tigers the signatures of several big-name stars reluctant to become just another chapter in the story of the intense, ruthless coach who pushes his players to the brink - and sometimes beyond.

Last year, at the risk of losing his job, which has since been secured in the form of a two-year extension, Maguire drove his players beyond their comfort zone. Some turned on him.

"I was aware," Maguire admitted of the growing unrest in the playing group towards him. "I was well aware. We were pushing boundaries that we hadn’t pushed before. But we have to push the club to a higher level. If we keep doing things the same, we will get the same result."

When the Herald sat down to interview Maguire recently, it was apparent that little is known about the coach and his interests away from rugby league.

"You probably don’t ask the right questions," Maguire fires back. "You always want to go to the other stuff. I’ve got plenty of different interests."

But even when asked the "right questions", Maguire reverts back to an old school give-em-nothing approach that - for the most part - has served him well throughout his coaching career.

"It’s nothing that I want to share," he says. But it’s that very demeanour that amplifies a perception that is backed up by the stories of boa constrictors and baseball bats in dressing rooms, or how South Sydney players used to get fined for using certain words in the media.

"If they are doing it on the park, doesn’t that do the talking?" Maguire asks. "I get we need to do our part to promote the game and those sorts of things, but the success on the park is what creates the greatest ride.

"If I see my players successful and the boys enjoying the ride of what happens when you win a grand final, they get to see what’s real. Because I saw a lot of fans [at Souths] enjoying that ride. They are the ones I care about. I saw a lot of Souths fans living in hope. It went from hope to actually believing it. Then it was that belief that helped us achieve it. That’s more special than people knowing about what I do away from footy.

"The players may say certain things about how hard it was, but I tell you when they were doing that lap around that field with the trophy on grand final day, it was a pretty great moment. They are things this club deserves. That’s why I was so keen to come here."

On day one of pre-season, following a year of stories questioning his coaching methods and their effectiveness on the modern-day footballer, Maguire addressed a squad shorn of over 1000 games of experience. While his demands had previously been met with raised eyebrows by senior players, his audience is now largely receptive.

“I think we all know times have changed and you need to handle each person in a different light,” Maguire said. “But I’m also dealing with men. I’m not dealing with kids here. It is the responsibility of the senior guys to set a tone around what they want to achieve. If they go after that and they set standards, it influences the young ones.

“You’re growing these men to take ownership of what they are doing. We need leaders to help these younger generations realise that life is not easy. There are challenges, but if you fight through those challenges, it’s amazing what you can achieve.”

Maguire won’t go into detail about how his once-strong relationship with Tigers legend Benji Marshall deteriorated after he dropped the five-eighth following the round four loss to the Gold Coast Titans.

But Maguire made no apologies when asked if he made unnecessary changes that ultimately led to the players, in a private team meeting, admitting they were “walking on eggshells” around their coach.

“I’ve come to the club to make it successful,” Maguire said. “Did I make change for stimulation last year? Yeah, I did. At times it worked, at times it didn’t. But if you keep doing the same you’ll end up the same. I think sometimes you have to be able to get people out of their comfort zone to go to another level.”

Some at the Wests Tigers last year - both in the playing group and head office - questioned Maguire’s stomach for the fight when reports emerged that he had thrown his hat in the ring for other jobs.

Maguire admits he questioned his ability to succeed in the task of turning the joint venture into the powerhouse it could be given its membership and junior nursery. But he insists that, in the end, it only strengthened his resolve.

"Along the way people are going to talk and chatter and ask questions," Maguire said of the speculation that he was looking for another job.

“Did I have thoughts around how large the challenges ahead of me were going to be? Definitely, I’m not going to lie about that. When I sat down and the Wests Tigers became a club that was available to come to, it was the one I actually wanted. I see the size of the club and the momentum that will get behind the Wests Tigers is enormous. I feel that’s coming.

"Have I seen the change as fast as I would have liked? Probably not. There are more challenges in this job than what I’ve experienced before, but we will make this club successful."

So you DID apply for the Cowboys job and the Walker Brothers weren't LYING ?????

Where does the article day that?
 
I wonder too if he discussed with the club how much difficulty he was having with the job? The club have noticeably decided to invest a lot more in the football operations in the past 12 months.
 
@rihannafan1 said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303445) said:
I wonder too if he discussed with the club how much difficulty he was having with the job? The club have noticeably decided to invest a lot more in the football operations in the past 12 months.

Yeah good question. They seem to be getting serious about things.
 
@rustycage said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303441) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303440) said:
@kazoo-kid said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303392) said:
[**‘I’m not dealing with kids here’: Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers**](https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/i-m-not-dealing-with-kids-here-maguire-lifts-lid-on-player-power-at-tigers-20210214-p572e5.html)

By [Michael Chammas](https://www.smh.com.au/by/michael-chammas-hvenc)

There’s a perception of Michael Maguire that the coach just can’t shake. Nor does he care to.

In the last two seasons, that perception has arguably cost the Wests Tigers the signatures of several big-name stars reluctant to become just another chapter in the story of the intense, ruthless coach who pushes his players to the brink - and sometimes beyond.

Last year, at the risk of losing his job, which has since been secured in the form of a two-year extension, Maguire drove his players beyond their comfort zone. Some turned on him.

"I was aware," Maguire admitted of the growing unrest in the playing group towards him. "I was well aware. We were pushing boundaries that we hadn’t pushed before. But we have to push the club to a higher level. If we keep doing things the same, we will get the same result."

When the Herald sat down to interview Maguire recently, it was apparent that little is known about the coach and his interests away from rugby league.

"You probably don’t ask the right questions," Maguire fires back. "You always want to go to the other stuff. I’ve got plenty of different interests."

But even when asked the "right questions", Maguire reverts back to an old school give-em-nothing approach that - for the most part - has served him well throughout his coaching career.

"It’s nothing that I want to share," he says. But it’s that very demeanour that amplifies a perception that is backed up by the stories of boa constrictors and baseball bats in dressing rooms, or how South Sydney players used to get fined for using certain words in the media.

"If they are doing it on the park, doesn’t that do the talking?" Maguire asks. "I get we need to do our part to promote the game and those sorts of things, but the success on the park is what creates the greatest ride.

"If I see my players successful and the boys enjoying the ride of what happens when you win a grand final, they get to see what’s real. Because I saw a lot of fans [at Souths] enjoying that ride. They are the ones I care about. I saw a lot of Souths fans living in hope. It went from hope to actually believing it. Then it was that belief that helped us achieve it. That’s more special than people knowing about what I do away from footy.

"The players may say certain things about how hard it was, but I tell you when they were doing that lap around that field with the trophy on grand final day, it was a pretty great moment. They are things this club deserves. That’s why I was so keen to come here."

On day one of pre-season, following a year of stories questioning his coaching methods and their effectiveness on the modern-day footballer, Maguire addressed a squad shorn of over 1000 games of experience. While his demands had previously been met with raised eyebrows by senior players, his audience is now largely receptive.

“I think we all know times have changed and you need to handle each person in a different light,” Maguire said. “But I’m also dealing with men. I’m not dealing with kids here. It is the responsibility of the senior guys to set a tone around what they want to achieve. If they go after that and they set standards, it influences the young ones.

“You’re growing these men to take ownership of what they are doing. We need leaders to help these younger generations realise that life is not easy. There are challenges, but if you fight through those challenges, it’s amazing what you can achieve.”

Maguire won’t go into detail about how his once-strong relationship with Tigers legend Benji Marshall deteriorated after he dropped the five-eighth following the round four loss to the Gold Coast Titans.

But Maguire made no apologies when asked if he made unnecessary changes that ultimately led to the players, in a private team meeting, admitting they were “walking on eggshells” around their coach.

“I’ve come to the club to make it successful,” Maguire said. “Did I make change for stimulation last year? Yeah, I did. At times it worked, at times it didn’t. But if you keep doing the same you’ll end up the same. I think sometimes you have to be able to get people out of their comfort zone to go to another level.”

Some at the Wests Tigers last year - both in the playing group and head office - questioned Maguire’s stomach for the fight when reports emerged that he had thrown his hat in the ring for other jobs.

Maguire admits he questioned his ability to succeed in the task of turning the joint venture into the powerhouse it could be given its membership and junior nursery. But he insists that, in the end, it only strengthened his resolve.

"Along the way people are going to talk and chatter and ask questions," Maguire said of the speculation that he was looking for another job.

“Did I have thoughts around how large the challenges ahead of me were going to be? Definitely, I’m not going to lie about that. When I sat down and the Wests Tigers became a club that was available to come to, it was the one I actually wanted. I see the size of the club and the momentum that will get behind the Wests Tigers is enormous. I feel that’s coming.

"Have I seen the change as fast as I would have liked? Probably not. There are more challenges in this job than what I’ve experienced before, but we will make this club successful."

So you DID apply for the Cowboys job and the Walker Brothers weren't LYING ?????

Where does the article day that?

The part where he questions his ability to get this club / squad over the line

And also the fact people in the squad and other at the club questioned him .....
 
@tyga said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303424) said:
I think Madge has said what most fans assumed. The issue we have is leadership. He can only drive standards if senior player it in.
Look at Tom Brady with the Patriots, Cam Smith at Storm. He’s banking on James Tamou to be that man and it looks like some young guys will run with him.

Maybe I’m reading too much into it but Mbye is goner was the captain.

Exactly right, last year, when the young forwards had there heads down in tight games, IMO it was the captains job to try and get them back on the game. Mbye didn't or couldn't do it, and I believe it was a major reason for some of our loses.
 
@rihannafan1 said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303445) said:
I wonder too if he discussed with the club how much difficulty he was having with the job? The club have noticeably decided to invest a lot more in the football operations in the past 12 months.

Good post. It takes more then a coach to make a successful club. The top performing clubs also had as you said, have very good management,coaching,training and recruitment staff. Previous to this year, i doubt if Madge had that quality behind him.
 
Madge is not only asking the questions, he’s also answering them. 😝
Looks like we got ourselves a coach people!
I wonder who on the board asked Madge if he had the stomach for it? In my mind that is significant, and evidence of the organisations cultural shift. Certainly those who came before Madge and after Sheens didn’t have the stomach for it.
 
I’m glad he dug in and didn’t move on.
He is exactly what we need.
The changes to football department is huge and already recruiting wise we have a very different approach. Lets hope with the changes made we see a more positive consistent performance than we have previously. If we do top 8 is a given.
 
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