Maguire Signs Until End of 2023

[gallagher]

Just listened to the interview. I didn't hear or comprehend anything that was negative and I didn't lose any respect for the coach. Some of the rumours around things at this place are just perpetuated by grizzling sooks on this forum, probably undercover journos, player managers and people who wear tin foil hats. Sort through that garbage and away we go.

I hope he re-signs and if the fans supported him like they should, we wouldn't be having these conversations.


Its because the Interviewers don't ask any hard questions its a boys club they all look after each other.
Why was Mcintyre not offered a contract.
Have you put pen to paper on a 2 year extension.
Cricket questions seriously ??????

To be honest, I thought the McIntyre questions was answered. He would have liked to keep him, he was fond of him, but salary cap pressures dont make it easy to retain these players.

And his own contract, not sure its worthy of mention either. I'd like him to stay, but has a formal offer been made to extend him? he has not put pen to paper on an extension, otherwise it would have been announced. So why even ask that question? It was reported some time ago that he has agreed verbally to the extension, but there is interest elsewhere and he will sign when he is good and ready, not because he is pressured into it because of a question in a podcast. I can understand why he has not formally signed, especially with a Melbourne opportunity coming up. He is probably, and expectedly, see where WT is heading into 2021 and the same with Melbourne.

Not sure why you expect the spanish inquisition on a run of the mill podcast.


Mcintyre - a BS reply salary cap. (That's what i don't like)
Quote from Player was not even offered a contract to stay.



More than one thing can be true at once.

Let assume that the report that he wasnt offered a contract is true (nothing to prove that but lets assume). It could also be true that McIntyre could have come to the club and said "I have been offered $XXXK from the Titans which for arguments sake could be $ 150-200K more than we were going to offer *due to salary cap pressure* and we said "Good luck mate".


Your point warranted however we let so many players go and Madge even stated wanted to retain - no offer is unacceptable.

Salary cap pressure we signed Jimmy the Jet instead another former Souths player. Lets just see how that works out on BJ form this last season not that great maybe?????


Jimmy the jet is on $20K over minimum wage. Someone has to have that roster slot and you are literally getting a recent SOO player on minimum wage, so yes, that helps enormously with salary cap pressure.

With regards to no offer unacceptable, speaking for myself personally, I wouldn't embarrass myself offering someone I respected $200K less, I would just say "great mate, good luck".


So you would be happy for your employer to replace you without giving you the benefit of a negotiation prior to see if a suitable arrangement can be negotiated?

Jimmy is 20k over the minimum he says, is that fact ? I thought we could only talk facts on here.

 

[Tiger5150]

Just listened to the interview. I didn't hear or comprehend anything that was negative and I didn't lose any respect for the coach. Some of the rumours around things at this place are just perpetuated by grizzling sooks on this forum, probably undercover journos, player managers and people who wear tin foil hats. Sort through that garbage and away we go.

I hope he re-signs and if the fans supported him like they should, we wouldn't be having these conversations.


Its because the Interviewers don't ask any hard questions its a boys club they all look after each other.
Why was Mcintyre not offered a contract.
Have you put pen to paper on a 2 year extension.
Cricket questions seriously ??????

To be honest, I thought the McIntyre questions was answered. He would have liked to keep him, he was fond of him, but salary cap pressures dont make it easy to retain these players.

And his own contract, not sure its worthy of mention either. I'd like him to stay, but has a formal offer been made to extend him? he has not put pen to paper on an extension, otherwise it would have been announced. So why even ask that question? It was reported some time ago that he has agreed verbally to the extension, but there is interest elsewhere and he will sign when he is good and ready, not because he is pressured into it because of a question in a podcast. I can understand why he has not formally signed, especially with a Melbourne opportunity coming up. He is probably, and expectedly, see where WT is heading into 2021 and the same with Melbourne.

Not sure why you expect the spanish inquisition on a run of the mill podcast.


Mcintyre - a BS reply salary cap. (That's what i don't like)
Quote from Player was not even offered a contract to stay.



More than one thing can be true at once.

Let assume that the report that he wasnt offered a contract is true (nothing to prove that but lets assume). It could also be true that McIntyre could have come to the club and said "I have been offered $XXXK from the Titans which for arguments sake could be $ 150-200K more than we were going to offer *due to salary cap pressure* and we said "Good luck mate".


Your point warranted however we let so many players go and Madge even stated wanted to retain - no offer is unacceptable.

Salary cap pressure we signed Jimmy the Jet instead another former Souths player. Lets just see how that works out on BJ form this last season not that great maybe?????


Jimmy the jet is on $20K over minimum wage. Someone has to have that roster slot and you are literally getting a recent SOO player on minimum wage, so yes, that helps enormously with salary cap pressure.

With regards to no offer unacceptable, speaking for myself personally, I wouldn't embarrass myself offering someone I respected $200K less, I would just say "great mate, good luck".


So you would be happy for your employer to replace you without giving you the benefit of a negotiation prior to see if a suitable arrangement can be negotiated?

If it meant that my new employer was giving me an extra $200K, not much of doubling my old employers wage, I would be ecstatic.

Seriously, we are looking for problems that arent there. Madge said McIntyre couldnt be kept because of salary cap pressure and he loves him. EVERY signing or letting go is due to salary cap pressure.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Just listened to the interview. I didn't hear or comprehend anything that was negative and I didn't lose any respect for the coach. Some of the rumours around things at this place are just perpetuated by grizzling sooks on this forum, probably undercover journos, player managers and people who wear tin foil hats. Sort through that garbage and away we go.

I hope he re-signs and if the fans supported him like they should, we wouldn't be having these conversations.


Its because the Interviewers don't ask any hard questions its a boys club they all look after each other.
Why was Mcintyre not offered a contract.
Have you put pen to paper on a 2 year extension.
Cricket questions seriously ??????

To be honest, I thought the McIntyre questions was answered. He would have liked to keep him, he was fond of him, but salary cap pressures dont make it easy to retain these players.

And his own contract, not sure its worthy of mention either. I'd like him to stay, but has a formal offer been made to extend him? he has not put pen to paper on an extension, otherwise it would have been announced. So why even ask that question? It was reported some time ago that he has agreed verbally to the extension, but there is interest elsewhere and he will sign when he is good and ready, not because he is pressured into it because of a question in a podcast. I can understand why he has not formally signed, especially with a Melbourne opportunity coming up. He is probably, and expectedly, see where WT is heading into 2021 and the same with Melbourne.

Not sure why you expect the spanish inquisition on a run of the mill podcast.


Mcintyre - a BS reply salary cap. (That's what i don't like)
Quote from Player was not even offered a contract to stay.



More than one thing can be true at once.

Let assume that the report that he wasnt offered a contract is true (nothing to prove that but lets assume). It could also be true that McIntyre could have come to the club and said "I have been offered $XXXK from the Titans which for arguments sake could be $ 150-200K more than we were going to offer *due to salary cap pressure* and we said "Good luck mate".


Your point warranted however we let so many players go and Madge even stated wanted to retain - no offer is unacceptable.

Salary cap pressure we signed Jimmy the Jet instead another former Souths player. Lets just see how that works out on BJ form this last season not that great maybe?????


Jimmy the jet is on $20K over minimum wage. Someone has to have that roster slot and you are literally getting a recent SOO player on minimum wage, so yes, that helps enormously with salary cap pressure.

With regards to no offer unacceptable, speaking for myself personally, I wouldn't embarrass myself offering someone I respected $200K less, I would just say "great mate, good luck".


So you would be happy for your employer to replace you without giving you the benefit of a negotiation prior to see if a suitable arrangement can be negotiated?


Jimmy is 20k over the minimum he says, is that fact ? I thought we could only talk facts on here.

Guess you can't answer that question and that's a fact....lol

 

[Tiger5150]

Just listened to the interview. I didn't hear or comprehend anything that was negative and I didn't lose any respect for the coach. Some of the rumours around things at this place are just perpetuated by grizzling sooks on this forum, probably undercover journos, player managers and people who wear tin foil hats. Sort through that garbage and away we go.

I hope he re-signs and if the fans supported him like they should, we wouldn't be having these conversations.


Its because the Interviewers don't ask any hard questions its a boys club they all look after each other.
Why was Mcintyre not offered a contract.
Have you put pen to paper on a 2 year extension.
Cricket questions seriously ??????

To be honest, I thought the McIntyre questions was answered. He would have liked to keep him, he was fond of him, but salary cap pressures dont make it easy to retain these players.

And his own contract, not sure its worthy of mention either. I'd like him to stay, but has a formal offer been made to extend him? he has not put pen to paper on an extension, otherwise it would have been announced. So why even ask that question? It was reported some time ago that he has agreed verbally to the extension, but there is interest elsewhere and he will sign when he is good and ready, not because he is pressured into it because of a question in a podcast. I can understand why he has not formally signed, especially with a Melbourne opportunity coming up. He is probably, and expectedly, see where WT is heading into 2021 and the same with Melbourne.

Not sure why you expect the spanish inquisition on a run of the mill podcast.


Mcintyre - a BS reply salary cap. (That's what i don't like)
Quote from Player was not even offered a contract to stay.



More than one thing can be true at once.

Let assume that the report that he wasnt offered a contract is true (nothing to prove that but lets assume). It could also be true that McIntyre could have come to the club and said "I have been offered $XXXK from the Titans which for arguments sake could be $ 150-200K more than we were going to offer *due to salary cap pressure* and we said "Good luck mate".


Your point warranted however we let so many players go and Madge even stated wanted to retain - no offer is unacceptable.

Salary cap pressure we signed Jimmy the Jet instead another former Souths player. Lets just see how that works out on BJ form this last season not that great maybe?????


Jimmy the jet is on $20K over minimum wage. Someone has to have that roster slot and you are literally getting a recent SOO player on minimum wage, so yes, that helps enormously with salary cap pressure.

With regards to no offer unacceptable, speaking for myself personally, I wouldn't embarrass myself offering someone I respected $200K less, I would just say "great mate, good luck".


So you would be happy for your employer to replace you without giving you the benefit of a negotiation prior to see if a suitable arrangement can be negotiated?


Jimmy is 20k over the minimum he says, is that fact ? I thought we could only talk facts on here.

You are obviously talking about me @gallagher so allow me to explain a simple concept for you. What I referred to in that other post was in regards to talltails stating something was true, ***when there is clear evidence*** that it is not true. That is making stuff up to feed your agenda and its not healthy for discussion.

In the absence of a photocopy of Jimmy's payslip, we have ***multiple*** reports in the media that Jimmy himself asked for a contract of $150K with the second year in the Tigers favour, so in the absence of anything suggesting otherwise, thats what we work with.

You have made my point for me though. To clarify my point in the other thread, it would be like me saying he is getting $150K to push my point after we had all seen a photocopy of his $500k payslip.

Try to keep up.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Just listened to the interview. I didn't hear or comprehend anything that was negative and I didn't lose any respect for the coach. Some of the rumours around things at this place are just perpetuated by grizzling sooks on this forum, probably undercover journos, player managers and people who wear tin foil hats. Sort through that garbage and away we go.

I hope he re-signs and if the fans supported him like they should, we wouldn't be having these conversations.


Its because the Interviewers don't ask any hard questions its a boys club they all look after each other.
Why was Mcintyre not offered a contract.
Have you put pen to paper on a 2 year extension.
Cricket questions seriously ??????

To be honest, I thought the McIntyre questions was answered. He would have liked to keep him, he was fond of him, but salary cap pressures dont make it easy to retain these players.

And his own contract, not sure its worthy of mention either. I'd like him to stay, but has a formal offer been made to extend him? he has not put pen to paper on an extension, otherwise it would have been announced. So why even ask that question? It was reported some time ago that he has agreed verbally to the extension, but there is interest elsewhere and he will sign when he is good and ready, not because he is pressured into it because of a question in a podcast. I can understand why he has not formally signed, especially with a Melbourne opportunity coming up. He is probably, and expectedly, see where WT is heading into 2021 and the same with Melbourne.

Not sure why you expect the spanish inquisition on a run of the mill podcast.


Mcintyre - a BS reply salary cap. (That's what i don't like)
Quote from Player was not even offered a contract to stay.



More than one thing can be true at once.

Let assume that the report that he wasnt offered a contract is true (nothing to prove that but lets assume). It could also be true that McIntyre could have come to the club and said "I have been offered $XXXK from the Titans which for arguments sake could be $ 150-200K more than we were going to offer *due to salary cap pressure* and we said "Good luck mate".


Your point warranted however we let so many players go and Madge even stated wanted to retain - no offer is unacceptable.

Salary cap pressure we signed Jimmy the Jet instead another former Souths player. Lets just see how that works out on BJ form this last season not that great maybe?????


Jimmy the jet is on $20K over minimum wage. Someone has to have that roster slot and you are literally getting a recent SOO player on minimum wage, so yes, that helps enormously with salary cap pressure.

With regards to no offer unacceptable, speaking for myself personally, I wouldn't embarrass myself offering someone I respected $200K less, I would just say "great mate, good luck".


So you would be happy for your employer to replace you without giving you the benefit of a negotiation prior to see if a suitable arrangement can be negotiated?


If it meant that my new employer was giving me an extra $200K, not much of doubling my old employers wage, I would be ecstatic.

Seriously, we are looking for problems that arent there. Madge said McIntyre couldnt be kept because of salary cap pressure and he loves him. EVERY signing or letting go is due to salary cap pressure.

Post from another Forum Member. (Spot On)

I get the impression that the club has organized the roles in the recruitment and retention process so that Madge plays the sympathetic, almost father-figure type role, while Hartigan is the hard man making the tough decision.

For example, Benji approaches Madge and says that he has heard that he won’t be offered a new deal. This is news to Madge. He tells Benji to give him 24 hours and he will see what he can do. He comes back to Benji full of sympathy. “I’m sorry Benji, but the decision has been made…”.

McIntyre phones Madge and says that he still hasn’t received a formal offer from the club and that the Titans have tabled an offer, which he has accepted. Madge expresses surprise and regret that he is going. He tells Macca that he wanted to keep him. Obviously the football department has stuffed up…

This way, Madge stays on good terms with the playing group while Hartigan plays the role of the man making the unpopular decisions.

In the long run you get found out and the playing group lose respect because nothing is transparent its just a blame game as long as your not the one being blamed.

 

[twentyforty]

If we don't make the 8 next year Madge has to go.
That simple, no excuses

Something Wayne Bennett said he learned from another great coach. You don't let a player go unless you have someone better to replace them!

On the Coaching Market, Maguire is probably the best coach we can get. We could have traded him for Anthony Griffin, who is a very similar coach. As for other standouts, Laurie Daily would be the only other coach that I rate. At club level he is untested.

I don't care, make the 8 or gone would be my communication with Madge for next year, that simple, no excuses.


I think need to be fair on Madge the roster he still has is a hangover from prior and with big $ still tied up with Packer/Mybe/Reynolds. Some however may be getting excited about recent signings however still skeptical.

Tamou - Good Team Player however twilight of career - 2 years is acceptable.

U2Karma (Abbreviated name) - Only 3 appearances in Top grade with Eels total 24 Mins only 20 - Tamou replacement in 2 years if gets game time?

Jet - History of issues with other clubs, unproven if can last a full season only played 6 games last season, 2 year deal club option year 2 - Low $ signing

Mono - Back from the storm solid player will add depth in the centre positions if injuries or may start?

Joe Off - Reasonable signing from a team that won the spoon, tackle efficiency last season 87.9% needs to rediscover some form under Madge???

Blore - 1st full season and off season with us.
Played 5 games last season we lost all 5.
Looks a good prospect if can stay off social media.

So when you look at above i would not overly excited about signing in the off season.

Some we have lost for 2021.

Aloiai - Left for more $ understandable not the right way in leaving the club with dignity, solid player however.

Eisenhuth - Played some good games last season understand why was not retained but a solid player for us.

Grant - Standout we would have kept if we could.

Lawrence - Club player end of career played some good games at centre and covered depth when required.

Marshall - Club stalwart but father time with D caught up, attacking player with experience that could enable points.

Mcintyre - Was not offered a contract, played well for us and improved club disappointed lots of supporters with non loyalty in developing talent and letting go.

Taylor - Solid player nil fuss type some good D work during the season when given game time, understand why not retained but performed well over a few seasons.

So looking at this review how confident are you that the Roster has dramatically improved for 2021???

I am not really convinced, however agree Madge should have at least been offered a 1 year extension, was offered 2 but nothing on pen to paper, No issue offered extension 2 years but expectation would be 8 both these years, if has not signed the extension by start of season i would be offering John Morris a contract (Sharks) for 2 years.

“Make the 8 or gone” That’s what you would say to the coach?
I’m not sure threats will be of any benefit .
If I was the coach and after explaining my goals in detail and getting agreement, I was issued with that sort of threat, I would probably laugh out loud.

 

[Tiger5150]

Just listened to the interview. I didn't hear or comprehend anything that was negative and I didn't lose any respect for the coach. Some of the rumours around things at this place are just perpetuated by grizzling sooks on this forum, probably undercover journos, player managers and people who wear tin foil hats. Sort through that garbage and away we go.

I hope he re-signs and if the fans supported him like they should, we wouldn't be having these conversations.


Its because the Interviewers don't ask any hard questions its a boys club they all look after each other.
Why was Mcintyre not offered a contract.
Have you put pen to paper on a 2 year extension.
Cricket questions seriously ??????

To be honest, I thought the McIntyre questions was answered. He would have liked to keep him, he was fond of him, but salary cap pressures dont make it easy to retain these players.

And his own contract, not sure its worthy of mention either. I'd like him to stay, but has a formal offer been made to extend him? he has not put pen to paper on an extension, otherwise it would have been announced. So why even ask that question? It was reported some time ago that he has agreed verbally to the extension, but there is interest elsewhere and he will sign when he is good and ready, not because he is pressured into it because of a question in a podcast. I can understand why he has not formally signed, especially with a Melbourne opportunity coming up. He is probably, and expectedly, see where WT is heading into 2021 and the same with Melbourne.

Not sure why you expect the spanish inquisition on a run of the mill podcast.


Mcintyre - a BS reply salary cap. (That's what i don't like)
Quote from Player was not even offered a contract to stay.



More than one thing can be true at once.

Let assume that the report that he wasnt offered a contract is true (nothing to prove that but lets assume). It could also be true that McIntyre could have come to the club and said "I have been offered $XXXK from the Titans which for arguments sake could be $ 150-200K more than we were going to offer *due to salary cap pressure* and we said "Good luck mate".


Your point warranted however we let so many players go and Madge even stated wanted to retain - no offer is unacceptable.

Salary cap pressure we signed Jimmy the Jet instead another former Souths player. Lets just see how that works out on BJ form this last season not that great maybe?????


Jimmy the jet is on $20K over minimum wage. Someone has to have that roster slot and you are literally getting a recent SOO player on minimum wage, so yes, that helps enormously with salary cap pressure.

With regards to no offer unacceptable, speaking for myself personally, I wouldn't embarrass myself offering someone I respected $200K less, I would just say "great mate, good luck".


So you would be happy for your employer to replace you without giving you the benefit of a negotiation prior to see if a suitable arrangement can be negotiated?


If it meant that my new employer was giving me an extra $200K, not much of doubling my old employers wage, I would be ecstatic.

Seriously, we are looking for problems that arent there. Madge said McIntyre couldnt be kept because of salary cap pressure and he loves him. EVERY signing or letting go is due to salary cap pressure.

Post from another Forum Member. (Spot On)

I get the impression that the club has organized the roles in the recruitment and retention process so that Madge plays the sympathetic, almost father-figure type role, while Hartigan is the hard man making the tough decision.

For example, Benji approaches Madge and says that he has heard that he won’t be offered a new deal. This is news to Madge. He tells Benji to give him 24 hours and he will see what he can do. He comes back to Benji full of sympathy. “I’m sorry Benji, but the decision has been made…”.

McIntyre phones Madge and says that he still hasn’t received a formal offer from the club and that the Titans have tabled an offer, which he has accepted. Madge expresses surprise and regret that he is going. He tells Macca that he wanted to keep him. Obviously the football department has stuffed up…

This way, Madge stays on good terms with the playing group while Hartigan plays the role of the man making the unpopular decisions.

In the long run you get found out and the playing group lose respect because nothing is transparent its just a blame game as long as your not the one being blamed.

I see your point, I dont agree with it at all but you are more than entitled to your opinion.

A hell of a lot of asssumptions in this other members post and in your assumption that McIntyre was not made any offer.

Regardless, he wasnt valued to the point that the club kept him. Its a tough decision but one that is made every year in 16 clubs. I would have liked him to stay, but not at any price. I am also very happy with the overall picture of the squad being developed at the moment and that gives me encouragement to let these guys just do their job.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

If we don't make the 8 next year Madge has to go.
That simple, no excuses

Something Wayne Bennett said he learned from another great coach. You don't let a player go unless you have someone better to replace them!

On the Coaching Market, Maguire is probably the best coach we can get. We could have traded him for Anthony Griffin, who is a very similar coach. As for other standouts, Laurie Daily would be the only other coach that I rate. At club level he is untested.

I don't care, make the 8 or gone would be my communication with Madge for next year, that simple, no excuses.


I think need to be fair on Madge the roster he still has is a hangover from prior and with big $ still tied up with Packer/Mybe/Reynolds. Some however may be getting excited about recent signings however still skeptical.

Tamou - Good Team Player however twilight of career - 2 years is acceptable.

U2Karma (Abbreviated name) - Only 3 appearances in Top grade with Eels total 24 Mins only 20 - Tamou replacement in 2 years if gets game time?

Jet - History of issues with other clubs, unproven if can last a full season only played 6 games last season, 2 year deal club option year 2 - Low $ signing

Mono - Back from the storm solid player will add depth in the centre positions if injuries or may start?

Joe Off - Reasonable signing from a team that won the spoon, tackle efficiency last season 87.9% needs to rediscover some form under Madge???

Blore - 1st full season and off season with us.
Played 5 games last season we lost all 5.
Looks a good prospect if can stay off social media.

So when you look at above i would not overly excited about signing in the off season.

Some we have lost for 2021.

Aloiai - Left for more $ understandable not the right way in leaving the club with dignity, solid player however.

Eisenhuth - Played some good games last season understand why was not retained but a solid player for us.

Grant - Standout we would have kept if we could.

Lawrence - Club player end of career played some good games at centre and covered depth when required.

Marshall - Club stalwart but father time with D caught up, attacking player with experience that could enable points.

Mcintyre - Was not offered a contract, played well for us and improved club disappointed lots of supporters with non loyalty in developing talent and letting go.

Taylor - Solid player nil fuss type some good D work during the season when given game time, understand why not retained but performed well over a few seasons.

So looking at this review how confident are you that the Roster has dramatically improved for 2021???

I am not really convinced, however agree Madge should have at least been offered a 1 year extension, was offered 2 but nothing on pen to paper, No issue offered extension 2 years but expectation would be 8 both these years, if has not signed the extension by start of season i would be offering John Morris a contract (Sharks) for 2 years.


“Make the 8 or gone” That’s what you would say to the coach?
I’m not sure threats will be of any benefit .
If I was the coach and after explaining my goals in detail and getting agreement, I was issued with that sort of threat, I would probably laugh out loud.

Know i would say it like this.
KPI's for 2022 & 2023.
1. Play Finals Football
2. Players should be happy to turn up each week not fearful
3. Develop younger players and retain
4. Build a culture that makes us destination for marquee players to come too.
5. Enjoy the experience, learn from mistakes and develop as a top coach that plays consistent finals.

Just a few to consider we all have KPI's even at home i am the weekly garbage man if i miss putting out usually running up the street in my jocks and in trouble with the wife. lol
Ps - Not a great look now in my late 50's.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Just listened to the interview. I didn't hear or comprehend anything that was negative and I didn't lose any respect for the coach. Some of the rumours around things at this place are just perpetuated by grizzling sooks on this forum, probably undercover journos, player managers and people who wear tin foil hats. Sort through that garbage and away we go.

I hope he re-signs and if the fans supported him like they should, we wouldn't be having these conversations.


Its because the Interviewers don't ask any hard questions its a boys club they all look after each other.
Why was Mcintyre not offered a contract.
Have you put pen to paper on a 2 year extension.
Cricket questions seriously ??????

To be honest, I thought the McIntyre questions was answered. He would have liked to keep him, he was fond of him, but salary cap pressures dont make it easy to retain these players.

And his own contract, not sure its worthy of mention either. I'd like him to stay, but has a formal offer been made to extend him? he has not put pen to paper on an extension, otherwise it would have been announced. So why even ask that question? It was reported some time ago that he has agreed verbally to the extension, but there is interest elsewhere and he will sign when he is good and ready, not because he is pressured into it because of a question in a podcast. I can understand why he has not formally signed, especially with a Melbourne opportunity coming up. He is probably, and expectedly, see where WT is heading into 2021 and the same with Melbourne.

Not sure why you expect the spanish inquisition on a run of the mill podcast.


Mcintyre - a BS reply salary cap. (That's what i don't like)
Quote from Player was not even offered a contract to stay.



More than one thing can be true at once.

Let assume that the report that he wasnt offered a contract is true (nothing to prove that but lets assume). It could also be true that McIntyre could have come to the club and said "I have been offered $XXXK from the Titans which for arguments sake could be $ 150-200K more than we were going to offer *due to salary cap pressure* and we said "Good luck mate".


Your point warranted however we let so many players go and Madge even stated wanted to retain - no offer is unacceptable.

Salary cap pressure we signed Jimmy the Jet instead another former Souths player. Lets just see how that works out on BJ form this last season not that great maybe?????


Jimmy the jet is on $20K over minimum wage. Someone has to have that roster slot and you are literally getting a recent SOO player on minimum wage, so yes, that helps enormously with salary cap pressure.

With regards to no offer unacceptable, speaking for myself personally, I wouldn't embarrass myself offering someone I respected $200K less, I would just say "great mate, good luck".


So you would be happy for your employer to replace you without giving you the benefit of a negotiation prior to see if a suitable arrangement can be negotiated?


If it meant that my new employer was giving me an extra $200K, not much of doubling my old employers wage, I would be ecstatic.

Seriously, we are looking for problems that arent there. Madge said McIntyre couldnt be kept because of salary cap pressure and he loves him. EVERY signing or letting go is due to salary cap pressure.

Post from another Forum Member. (Spot On)

I get the impression that the club has organized the roles in the recruitment and retention process so that Madge plays the sympathetic, almost father-figure type role, while Hartigan is the hard man making the tough decision.

For example, Benji approaches Madge and says that he has heard that he won’t be offered a new deal. This is news to Madge. He tells Benji to give him 24 hours and he will see what he can do. He comes back to Benji full of sympathy. “I’m sorry Benji, but the decision has been made…”.

McIntyre phones Madge and says that he still hasn’t received a formal offer from the club and that the Titans have tabled an offer, which he has accepted. Madge expresses surprise and regret that he is going. He tells Macca that he wanted to keep him. Obviously the football department has stuffed up…

This way, Madge stays on good terms with the playing group while Hartigan plays the role of the man making the unpopular decisions.

In the long run you get found out and the playing group lose respect because nothing is transparent its just a blame game as long as your not the one being blamed.


I see your point, I dont agree with it at all but you are more than entitled to your opinion.

A hell of a lot of asssumptions in this other members post and in your assumption that McIntyre was not made any offer.

Regardless, he wasnt valued to the point that the club kept him. Its a tough decision but one that is made every year in 16 clubs. I would have liked him to stay, but not at any price. I am also very happy with the overall picture of the squad being developed at the moment and that gives me encouragement to let these guys just do their job.

Yes they will be judged on how the team perform next season and don't want to sound too negative but i think we are still threading water again, i understand why Cap constraints but expect results by 2022.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Just listened to the interview. I didn't hear or comprehend anything that was negative and I didn't lose any respect for the coach. Some of the rumours around things at this place are just perpetuated by grizzling sooks on this forum, probably undercover journos, player managers and people who wear tin foil hats. Sort through that garbage and away we go.

I hope he re-signs and if the fans supported him like they should, we wouldn't be having these conversations.


Its because the Interviewers don't ask any hard questions its a boys club they all look after each other.
Why was Mcintyre not offered a contract.
Have you put pen to paper on a 2 year extension.
Cricket questions seriously ??????

To be honest, I thought the McIntyre questions was answered. He would have liked to keep him, he was fond of him, but salary cap pressures dont make it easy to retain these players.

And his own contract, not sure its worthy of mention either. I'd like him to stay, but has a formal offer been made to extend him? he has not put pen to paper on an extension, otherwise it would have been announced. So why even ask that question? It was reported some time ago that he has agreed verbally to the extension, but there is interest elsewhere and he will sign when he is good and ready, not because he is pressured into it because of a question in a podcast. I can understand why he has not formally signed, especially with a Melbourne opportunity coming up. He is probably, and expectedly, see where WT is heading into 2021 and the same with Melbourne.

Not sure why you expect the spanish inquisition on a run of the mill podcast.


Mcintyre - a BS reply salary cap. (That's what i don't like)
Quote from Player was not even offered a contract to stay.



More than one thing can be true at once.

Let assume that the report that he wasnt offered a contract is true (nothing to prove that but lets assume). It could also be true that McIntyre could have come to the club and said "I have been offered $XXXK from the Titans which for arguments sake could be $ 150-200K more than we were going to offer *due to salary cap pressure* and we said "Good luck mate".


Your point warranted however we let so many players go and Madge even stated wanted to retain - no offer is unacceptable.

Salary cap pressure we signed Jimmy the Jet instead another former Souths player. Lets just see how that works out on BJ form this last season not that great maybe?????


Jimmy the jet is on $20K over minimum wage. Someone has to have that roster slot and you are literally getting a recent SOO player on minimum wage, so yes, that helps enormously with salary cap pressure.

With regards to no offer unacceptable, speaking for myself personally, I wouldn't embarrass myself offering someone I respected $200K less, I would just say "great mate, good luck".


So you would be happy for your employer to replace you without giving you the benefit of a negotiation prior to see if a suitable arrangement can be negotiated?


If it meant that my new employer was giving me an extra $200K, not much of doubling my old employers wage, I would be ecstatic.

Seriously, we are looking for problems that arent there. Madge said McIntyre couldnt be kept because of salary cap pressure and he loves him. EVERY signing or letting go is due to salary cap pressure.

Post from another Forum Member. (Spot On)

I get the impression that the club has organized the roles in the recruitment and retention process so that Madge plays the sympathetic, almost father-figure type role, while Hartigan is the hard man making the tough decision.

For example, Benji approaches Madge and says that he has heard that he won’t be offered a new deal. This is news to Madge. He tells Benji to give him 24 hours and he will see what he can do. He comes back to Benji full of sympathy. “I’m sorry Benji, but the decision has been made…”.

McIntyre phones Madge and says that he still hasn’t received a formal offer from the club and that the Titans have tabled an offer, which he has accepted. Madge expresses surprise and regret that he is going. He tells Macca that he wanted to keep him. Obviously the football department has stuffed up…

This way, Madge stays on good terms with the playing group while Hartigan plays the role of the man making the unpopular decisions.

In the long run you get found out and the playing group lose respect because nothing is transparent its just a blame game as long as your not the one being blamed.


I see your point, I dont agree with it at all but you are more than entitled to your opinion.

A hell of a lot of asssumptions in this other members post and in your assumption that McIntyre was not made any offer.

Regardless, he wasnt valued to the point that the club kept him. Its a tough decision but one that is made every year in 16 clubs. I would have liked him to stay, but not at any price. I am also very happy with the overall picture of the squad being developed at the moment and that gives me encouragement to let these guys just do their job.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/tigers/nrl-2020-sam-mcintyre-signs-with-gold-coast-titans-wests-tigers-contract-offer-nrl-player-movements/news-story/4995fa27e5435b06fbd706d276487f18

Read the link.

 

[Tiger5150]

Just listened to the interview. I didn't hear or comprehend anything that was negative and I didn't lose any respect for the coach. Some of the rumours around things at this place are just perpetuated by grizzling sooks on this forum, probably undercover journos, player managers and people who wear tin foil hats. Sort through that garbage and away we go.

I hope he re-signs and if the fans supported him like they should, we wouldn't be having these conversations.


Its because the Interviewers don't ask any hard questions its a boys club they all look after each other.
Why was Mcintyre not offered a contract.
Have you put pen to paper on a 2 year extension.
Cricket questions seriously ??????

To be honest, I thought the McIntyre questions was answered. He would have liked to keep him, he was fond of him, but salary cap pressures dont make it easy to retain these players.

And his own contract, not sure its worthy of mention either. I'd like him to stay, but has a formal offer been made to extend him? he has not put pen to paper on an extension, otherwise it would have been announced. So why even ask that question? It was reported some time ago that he has agreed verbally to the extension, but there is interest elsewhere and he will sign when he is good and ready, not because he is pressured into it because of a question in a podcast. I can understand why he has not formally signed, especially with a Melbourne opportunity coming up. He is probably, and expectedly, see where WT is heading into 2021 and the same with Melbourne.

Not sure why you expect the spanish inquisition on a run of the mill podcast.


Mcintyre - a BS reply salary cap. (That's what i don't like)
Quote from Player was not even offered a contract to stay.



More than one thing can be true at once.

Let assume that the report that he wasnt offered a contract is true (nothing to prove that but lets assume). It could also be true that McIntyre could have come to the club and said "I have been offered $XXXK from the Titans which for arguments sake could be $ 150-200K more than we were going to offer *due to salary cap pressure* and we said "Good luck mate".


Your point warranted however we let so many players go and Madge even stated wanted to retain - no offer is unacceptable.

Salary cap pressure we signed Jimmy the Jet instead another former Souths player. Lets just see how that works out on BJ form this last season not that great maybe?????


Jimmy the jet is on $20K over minimum wage. Someone has to have that roster slot and you are literally getting a recent SOO player on minimum wage, so yes, that helps enormously with salary cap pressure.

With regards to no offer unacceptable, speaking for myself personally, I wouldn't embarrass myself offering someone I respected $200K less, I would just say "great mate, good luck".


So you would be happy for your employer to replace you without giving you the benefit of a negotiation prior to see if a suitable arrangement can be negotiated?


If it meant that my new employer was giving me an extra $200K, not much of doubling my old employers wage, I would be ecstatic.

Seriously, we are looking for problems that arent there. Madge said McIntyre couldnt be kept because of salary cap pressure and he loves him. EVERY signing or letting go is due to salary cap pressure.

Post from another Forum Member. (Spot On)

I get the impression that the club has organized the roles in the recruitment and retention process so that Madge plays the sympathetic, almost father-figure type role, while Hartigan is the hard man making the tough decision.

For example, Benji approaches Madge and says that he has heard that he won’t be offered a new deal. This is news to Madge. He tells Benji to give him 24 hours and he will see what he can do. He comes back to Benji full of sympathy. “I’m sorry Benji, but the decision has been made…”.

McIntyre phones Madge and says that he still hasn’t received a formal offer from the club and that the Titans have tabled an offer, which he has accepted. Madge expresses surprise and regret that he is going. He tells Macca that he wanted to keep him. Obviously the football department has stuffed up…

This way, Madge stays on good terms with the playing group while Hartigan plays the role of the man making the unpopular decisions.

In the long run you get found out and the playing group lose respect because nothing is transparent its just a blame game as long as your not the one being blamed.


I see your point, I dont agree with it at all but you are more than entitled to your opinion.

A hell of a lot of asssumptions in this other members post and in your assumption that McIntyre was not made any offer.

Regardless, he wasnt valued to the point that the club kept him. Its a tough decision but one that is made every year in 16 clubs. I would have liked him to stay, but not at any price. I am also very happy with the overall picture of the squad being developed at the moment and that gives me encouragement to let these guys just do their job.


https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/tigers/nrl-2020-sam-mcintyre-signs-with-gold-coast-titans-wests-tigers-contract-offer-nrl-player-movements/news-story/4995fa27e5435b06fbd706d276487f18

Read the link.

Fair enough but that pretty much proves my earlier point....

From Mcintyre..*"“I didn’t receive an official offer, though. There’d been a few chats about it, "*. So he did discuss contract negotiations with the Tigers, but they never tabled an *official* offer.

My speculation only based on this article and the Madge interview, but it seems to me that he told them what Titans were offering and he was basically told, grab it good luck.

Regardless, he wasnt in the clubs plans. Its a shame I would have kept him but not at any cost.

 

[Swordy]

Someone has had too many red bulls this afternoon and wants to fight every fact. Rest up. If you want answers to your questions because you think the club owes you something, then give them a call.

 

[TrueTiger]

No need to upgrade him yet .....he hasn't earned it just yet

I like Madge and his attitude to hard work...if our team starts to take shape,show some guts and determination on the way to finals,then in my opinion the 'sins of the past coaches and recruitment' can be forgiven....cant really say he hasnt earnt it yet,we dont know what the inner sanctums opinion is..BUT I know that your main EXCUSE will be he hasnt won games or made the finals..

It is pretty hard to make an effort when your hands have been tied...it appears the ties have come off and Madge is doing his very best for the team and club...

When my dad was a live he took me to games at high school and his big statement to me always stands""win,lose or draw I dont care as long as you did your very best then I will be proud of you and your efforts"""

So you've still got your 14th place award .....

Yes I do...but I havent got a wooden spoon to go with it and in my opinion ,I never will...:clap:

 

[BAGNF05]

If we don't make the 8 next year Madge has to go.
That simple, no excuses

Something Wayne Bennett said he learned from another great coach. You don't let a player go unless you have someone better to replace them!

On the Coaching Market, Maguire is probably the best coach we can get. We could have traded him for Anthony Griffin, who is a very similar coach. As for other standouts, Laurie Daily would be the only other coach that I rate. At club level he is untested.

I don't care, make the 8 or gone would be my communication with Madge for next year, that simple, no excuses.


I think need to be fair on Madge the roster he still has is a hangover from prior and with big $ still tied up with Packer/Mybe/Reynolds. Some however may be getting excited about recent signings however still skeptical.

Tamou - Good Team Player however twilight of career - 2 years is acceptable.

U2Karma (Abbreviated name) - Only 3 appearances in Top grade with Eels total 24 Mins only 20 - Tamou replacement in 2 years if gets game time?

Jet - History of issues with other clubs, unproven if can last a full season only played 6 games last season, 2 year deal club option year 2 - Low $ signing

Mono - Back from the storm solid player will add depth in the centre positions if injuries or may start?

Joe Off - Reasonable signing from a team that won the spoon, tackle efficiency last season 87.9% needs to rediscover some form under Madge???

Blore - 1st full season and off season with us.
Played 5 games last season we lost all 5.
Looks a good prospect if can stay off social media.

So when you look at above i would not overly excited about signing in the off season.

Some we have lost for 2021.

Aloiai - Left for more $ understandable not the right way in leaving the club with dignity, solid player however.

Eisenhuth - Played some good games last season understand why was not retained but a solid player for us.

Grant - Standout we would have kept if we could.

Lawrence - Club player end of career played some good games at centre and covered depth when required.

Marshall - Club stalwart but father time with D caught up, attacking player with experience that could enable points.

Mcintyre - Was not offered a contract, played well for us and improved club disappointed lots of supporters with non loyalty in developing talent and letting go.

Taylor - Solid player nil fuss type some good D work during the season when given game time, understand why not retained but performed well over a few seasons.

So looking at this review how confident are you that the Roster has dramatically improved for 2021???

I am not really convinced, however agree Madge should have at least been offered a 1 year extension, was offered 2 but nothing on pen to paper, No issue offered extension 2 years but expectation would be 8 both these years, if has not signed the extension by start of season i would be offering John Morris a contract (Sharks) for 2 years.


“Make the 8 or gone” That’s what you would say to the coach?
I’m not sure threats will be of any benefit .
If I was the coach and after explaining my goals in detail and getting agreement, I was issued with that sort of threat, I would probably laugh out loud.


Know i would say it like this.
KPI's for 2022 & 2023.
1. Play Finals Football
2. Players should be happy to turn up each week not fearful
3. Develop younger players and retain
4. Build a culture that makes us destination for marquee players to come too.
5. Enjoy the experience, learn from mistakes and develop as a top coach that plays consistent finals.

Just a few to consider we all have KPI's even at home i am the weekly garbage man if i miss putting out usually running up the street in my jocks and in trouble with the wife. lol
Ps - Not a great look now in my late 50's.

Agree that we can’t judge Madge till 22, IMO he’s overachieving with most of his well paid players under performing or just being passengers.

 

[happy_tiger]

No need to upgrade him yet .....he hasn't earned it just yet

I like Madge and his attitude to hard work...if our team starts to take shape,show some guts and determination on the way to finals,then in my opinion the 'sins of the past coaches and recruitment' can be forgiven....cant really say he hasnt earnt it yet,we dont know what the inner sanctums opinion is..BUT I know that your main EXCUSE will be he hasnt won games or made the finals..

It is pretty hard to make an effort when your hands have been tied...it appears the ties have come off and Madge is doing his very best for the team and club...

When my dad was a live he took me to games at high school and his big statement to me always stands""win,lose or draw I dont care as long as you did your very best then I will be proud of you and your efforts"""

So you've still got your 14th place award .....

Yes I do...but I havent got a wooden spoon to go with it and in my opinion ,I never will...:clap:

Cmon dont' sell yourself short Zig ...you are the wooden spooner of posters ..along with Hobbo ..spooning together

 

[TrueTiger]

No need to upgrade him yet .....he hasn't earned it just yet

I like Madge and his attitude to hard work...if our team starts to take shape,show some guts and determination on the way to finals,then in my opinion the 'sins of the past coaches and recruitment' can be forgiven....cant really say he hasnt earnt it yet,we dont know what the inner sanctums opinion is..BUT I know that your main EXCUSE will be he hasnt won games or made the finals..

It is pretty hard to make an effort when your hands have been tied...it appears the ties have come off and Madge is doing his very best for the team and club...

When my dad was a live he took me to games at high school and his big statement to me always stands""win,lose or draw I dont care as long as you did your very best then I will be proud of you and your efforts"""

So you've still got your 14th place award .....

Yes I do...but I havent got a wooden spoon to go with it and in my opinion ,I never will...:clap:

Cmon dont' sell yourself short Zig ...you are the wooden spooner of posters ..along with Hobbo ..spooning together

Yes Hobbo and I are intelligent posters,as Hobbo says there are plodders and then theres YOU...:grin:

 

[happy_tiger]

No need to upgrade him yet .....he hasn't earned it just yet

I like Madge and his attitude to hard work...if our team starts to take shape,show some guts and determination on the way to finals,then in my opinion the 'sins of the past coaches and recruitment' can be forgiven....cant really say he hasnt earnt it yet,we dont know what the inner sanctums opinion is..BUT I know that your main EXCUSE will be he hasnt won games or made the finals..

It is pretty hard to make an effort when your hands have been tied...it appears the ties have come off and Madge is doing his very best for the team and club...

When my dad was a live he took me to games at high school and his big statement to me always stands""win,lose or draw I dont care as long as you did your very best then I will be proud of you and your efforts"""

So you've still got your 14th place award .....

Yes I do...but I havent got a wooden spoon to go with it and in my opinion ,I never will...:clap:

Cmon dont' sell yourself short Zig ...you are the wooden spooner of posters ..along with Hobbo ..spooning together

Yes Hobbo and I are intelligent posters,as Hobbo says there are plodders and then theres YOU...:grin:

You are Hobbo are the IM...posters Immeasurably Moronic Posters

 

[TrueTiger]

No need to upgrade him yet .....he hasn't earned it just yet

I like Madge and his attitude to hard work...if our team starts to take shape,show some guts and determination on the way to finals,then in my opinion the 'sins of the past coaches and recruitment' can be forgiven....cant really say he hasnt earnt it yet,we dont know what the inner sanctums opinion is..BUT I know that your main EXCUSE will be he hasnt won games or made the finals..

It is pretty hard to make an effort when your hands have been tied...it appears the ties have come off and Madge is doing his very best for the team and club...

When my dad was a live he took me to games at high school and his big statement to me always stands""win,lose or draw I dont care as long as you did your very best then I will be proud of you and your efforts"""

So you've still got your 14th place award .....

Yes I do...but I havent got a wooden spoon to go with it and in my opinion ,I never will...:clap:

Cmon dont' sell yourself short Zig ...you are the wooden spooner of posters ..along with Hobbo ..spooning together

Yes Hobbo and I are intelligent posters,as Hobbo says there are plodders and then theres YOU...:grin:

You are Hobbo are the IM...posters Immeasurably Moronic Posters

Aawwe,thats so sweet that you speak so highly of us....

I reckon that you are absolutely famous...Larry,Curly and Moe all wrapped up in one...

 

[happy_tiger]

No need to upgrade him yet .....he hasn't earned it just yet

I like Madge and his attitude to hard work...if our team starts to take shape,show some guts and determination on the way to finals,then in my opinion the 'sins of the past coaches and recruitment' can be forgiven....cant really say he hasnt earnt it yet,we dont know what the inner sanctums opinion is..BUT I know that your main EXCUSE will be he hasnt won games or made the finals..

It is pretty hard to make an effort when your hands have been tied...it appears the ties have come off and Madge is doing his very best for the team and club...

When my dad was a live he took me to games at high school and his big statement to me always stands""win,lose or draw I dont care as long as you did your very best then I will be proud of you and your efforts"""

So you've still got your 14th place award .....

Yes I do...but I havent got a wooden spoon to go with it and in my opinion ,I never will...:clap:

Cmon dont' sell yourself short Zig ...you are the wooden spooner of posters ..along with Hobbo ..spooning together

Yes Hobbo and I are intelligent posters,as Hobbo says there are plodders and then theres YOU...:grin:

You are Hobbo are the IM...posters Immeasurably Moronic Posters

Aawwe,thats so sweet that you speak so highly of us....

I reckon that you are absolutely famous...Larry,Curly and Moe all wrapped up in one...

wise guy huh ....or was that Jabberjaws

 

[TrueTiger]

No need to upgrade him yet .....he hasn't earned it just yet

I like Madge and his attitude to hard work...if our team starts to take shape,show some guts and determination on the way to finals,then in my opinion the 'sins of the past coaches and recruitment' can be forgiven....cant really say he hasnt earnt it yet,we dont know what the inner sanctums opinion is..BUT I know that your main EXCUSE will be he hasnt won games or made the finals..

It is pretty hard to make an effort when your hands have been tied...it appears the ties have come off and Madge is doing his very best for the team and club...

When my dad was a live he took me to games at high school and his big statement to me always stands""win,lose or draw I dont care as long as you did your very best then I will be proud of you and your efforts"""

So you've still got your 14th place award .....

Yes I do...but I havent got a wooden spoon to go with it and in my opinion ,I never will...:clap:

Cmon dont' sell yourself short Zig ...you are the wooden spooner of posters ..along with Hobbo ..spooning together

Yes Hobbo and I are intelligent posters,as Hobbo says there are plodders and then theres YOU...:grin:

You are Hobbo are the IM...posters Immeasurably Moronic Posters

Aawwe,thats so sweet that you speak so highly of us....

I reckon that you are absolutely famous...Larry,Curly and Moe all wrapped up in one...

wise guy huh ....or was that Jabberjaws

I have enjoyed the banter mate,it gives me a laugh when its needed most....but lets get back to your earlier post and my reply about Madge hasnt earned an extention yet....do we just crucify a guy who has been hog tied with the salary cap,had a very ordinary roster and players on big money sidelined due to injuries.?or do we give him the chance to change the culture,roster and perception of the club with good recruitment and positive attitude to make this team and club a much more desirable destination..?
I honestly think he deserves the chance to harden this joint up and show them what it takes to make the finals,hard work and good work ethics...he has my vote of approval for another 2 years...it would only be fair...