Maguire Signs Until End of 2023

[jirskyr]

Morris has been in possibly a worse position than us and still got them to the finals.

John Morris took control of a side that had made the finals 4 consecutive seasons including a premiership.

 

[JC99]

Morris has been in possibly a worse position than us and still got them to the finals.

John Morris took control of a side that had made the finals 4 consecutive seasons including a premiership.

Arguably he’s taken them backwards. They won’t make finals next year either.

 

[jirskyr]

Such as the last two years we’ve had very little salary cap as it’s been tied up by 3 players Madge doesn’t want. We’ve finally cleared one of the guys and there’s no one good to sign. Because of having no cap you have to sign or re-sign guys who are solid but not fantastic as there’s sometimes no other options. The Rob Jennings signing was a great example of that, same as keeping Seyfarth on a 1 year deal.

I agree. Having 3 highly-paid unfavoured players puts any coach in a difficult position, and we've basically been going after bargain signings during Madge's tenure.

Secondly, not only has Madge inherited some bad contracts, but with a history of previous coaches splashing out on some risky deals, Madge basically wouldn't be permitted by the club to do the same thing, even if he wanted to.

Thirdly, Madge has come into power at the same time as a fundamental shift in club recruitment management, so the head coach no longer has the sole final decision-making capacity for the roster.

So when @avocadoontoast says "re-signed by Madge" in his list, technically he is saying "re-signed during Madge's tenure". We don't know for a fact if Madge was the driving force behind all those recruitment decisions, or whether he agreed with the overall recruitment committee recommendation, or whether he disagreed but was over-ruled.

That being said however, we have to acknowledge that we did clear funds for at least 1 marquee player and in the past 12-14 months have so far failed to land that signing - either of Latrell or JAC.

It's a pretty clear directive at this stage - Tigers have to play finals. If they do so 2021 then we are clearly on the improve, if not, you will have to wonder what conditions are written into the contract extension that might prevent him seeing out the full deal if 2021 and/or 2022 are not finals campaigns.

 

[tiger05premier]

I still think he needed to make the 8 before he was upgraded .....

Well with someone else's Roster hardly fair.

My original call was a 1 year extension but 2 years is fine.
Expectations make the 8 both years 2022/2023.

Unsure about 2021 but this off season has been all positive news so far with both Signings and Reynolds also gone to free up cap space overall the team of CEO/Coach/GM have done a quality job and kudos on stability.

That excuse isn't going to fly anymore. 3 players not signed/re-signed by Madge.

Shawn Blore - Signed by Madge
Luke Brooks - Re-signed by Madge
Michael Chee Kam - Re-signed by Madge
Zac Cini - Signed by Madge
Adam Doueihi - Signed by Madge
Luke Garner - Re-signed by Madge
Asu Kepaoa - signed by Madge
Joey Leilua - Signed by Madge
Luciano Leilua - Signed by Madge
Jacob Liddle - Re-signed by Madge
Jock Madden - Signed by Madge
Moses Mbye - NOT signed by Madge
Thomas Mikaele - Re-signed by Madge
Paul Momirovski - Re-signed by Madge
Zane Musgrove - Signed by Madge
David Nofoaluma - NOT signed by Madge
Joe Ofahengaue - Signed by Madge
Russell Packer - NOT signed by Madge
James Roberts - Signed by Madge
Alex Seyfarth - Re-signed by Madge
Jake Simpkin - Signed by Madge
Tommy Talau - Re-signed by Madge
James Tamou - Signed by Madge
Alex Twal - Re-signed by Madge
Stefano Utoikamanu - Signed by Madge
Billy Walters - Signed by Madge


I agree that this season Madge needs to get the best out of the team obviously, but this only scratches the surface of the salary cap issues, player availability etc. you need to go a lot more in depth than just looking at who he’s signed and re-signed. Again not making excuses for the bloke, we should be pushing for the 8 next season but there’s a lot more to it than what you posted

That's right

Some players are signed to make up the numbers because you can't get anyone else

Doesn't mean Madge rates them or really wants them as some believe

It takes time to get the squad you want and until than you just need to make do with whatever you can get to meet squad requirements by certain dates

We all know how hard Madge is working to restructure the team

 

[tiger05premier]

I still think he needed to make the 8 before he was upgraded .....

Well with someone else's Roster hardly fair.

My original call was a 1 year extension but 2 years is fine.
Expectations make the 8 both years 2022/2023.

Unsure about 2021 but this off season has been all positive news so far with both Signings and Reynolds also gone to free up cap space overall the team of CEO/Coach/GM have done a quality job and kudos on stability.

That excuse isn't going to fly anymore. 3 players not signed/re-signed by Madge.

Shawn Blore - Signed by Madge
Luke Brooks - Re-signed by Madge
Michael Chee Kam - Re-signed by Madge
Zac Cini - Signed by Madge
Adam Doueihi - Signed by Madge
Luke Garner - Re-signed by Madge
Asu Kepaoa - signed by Madge
Joey Leilua - Signed by Madge
Luciano Leilua - Signed by Madge
Jacob Liddle - Re-signed by Madge
Jock Madden - Signed by Madge
Moses Mbye - NOT signed by Madge
Thomas Mikaele - Re-signed by Madge
Paul Momirovski - Re-signed by Madge
Zane Musgrove - Signed by Madge
David Nofoaluma - NOT signed by Madge
Joe Ofahengaue - Signed by Madge
Russell Packer - NOT signed by Madge
James Roberts - Signed by Madge
Alex Seyfarth - Re-signed by Madge
Jake Simpkin - Signed by Madge
Tommy Talau - Re-signed by Madge
James Tamou - Signed by Madge
Alex Twal - Re-signed by Madge
Stefano Utoikamanu - Signed by Madge
Billy Walters - Signed by Madge


I agree that this season Madge needs to get the best out of the team obviously, but this only scratches the surface of the salary cap issues, player availability etc. you need to go a lot more in depth than just looking at who he’s signed and re-signed. Again not making excuses for the bloke, we should be pushing for the 8 next season but there’s a lot kros to it than what you posted

Such as?

Such as the last two years we’ve had very little salary cap as it’s been tied up by 3 players Madge doesn’t want. We’ve finally cleared one of the guys and there’s no one good to sign. Because of having no cap you have to sign or re-sign guys who are solid but not fantastic as there’s sometimes no other options. The Rob Jennings signing was a great example of that, same as keeping Seyfarth on a 1 year deal.

Again, if he’s a good enough coach this squad should be finishing 7th-10th (hopefully in the 8 or pushing towards it) but he’s had it very tough. It’s definitely more his team than it was in years previous though so my expectations are somewhat higher for sure. 2022 though there’s literally no excuses at all, 2021 still a little bit but not like 2019-2020

Some ppl certainly struggle to under stand that

Either that or they just love laying the boot in when they can

 

[TrueTiger]

It’s very contingent on individuals finding their best form again like Joffa, Roberts, Joey, Brooks

That's the coaches job.

It’s the players and the coaches job really, goes both ways.

Exacly right,the recruitment and retention get the players and Madge has to form a team that works together and plays to their individual best week in week out barring injuries..
Madge has had to work with players that have been working to different structures and game plans at different levels..
With the resingings and new recruits,Madge should have plenty of players and time to work with them to his structures and his coaching,they will all be on the same page..Tamou.JTJ ,BJ should all prove very good value if Madge has them working together and fit...

 

[JC99]

Such as the last two years we’ve had very little salary cap as it’s been tied up by 3 players Madge doesn’t want. We’ve finally cleared one of the guys and there’s no one good to sign. Because of having no cap you have to sign or re-sign guys who are solid but not fantastic as there’s sometimes no other options. The Rob Jennings signing was a great example of that, same as keeping Seyfarth on a 1 year deal.

I agree. Having 3 highly-paid unfavoured players puts any coach in a difficult position, and we've basically been going after bargain signings during Madge's tenure.

Secondly, not only has Madge inherited some bad contracts, but with a history of previous coaches splashing out on some risky deals, Madge basically wouldn't be permitted by the club to do the same thing, even if he wanted to.

Thirdly, Madge has come into power at the same time as a fundamental shift in club recruitment management, so the head coach no longer has the sole final decision-making capacity for the roster.

So when @avocadoontoast says "re-signed by Madge" in his list, technically he is saying "re-signed during Madge's tenure". We don't know for a fact if Madge was the driving force behind all those recruitment decisions, or whether he agreed with the overall recruitment committee recommendation, or whether he disagreed but was over-ruled.

That being said however, we have to acknowledge that we did clear funds for at least 1 marquee player and in the past 12-14 months have so far failed to land that signing - either of Latrell or JAC.

It's a pretty clear directive at this stage - Tigers have to play finals. If they do so 2021 then we are clearly on the improve, if not, you will have to wonder what conditions are written into the contract extension that might prevent him seeing out the full deal if 2021 and/or 2022 are not finals campaigns.

Agree mate. Don’t see them taking major action if we miss finals in 2021. 2022 will be the big one for him, there will be lots of pressure on him especially if we don’t make finals in 2021.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Cannot believe people think that this supposed top shelf coach they want shouldn't be required to make the finals THREE years into his tenure. Not asking to win the competition, fine, but surely being in the top half of teams when they had already been next in line knocking on the door both prior to and upon arrival, would be the minimum requirement.

 

[hammertime]

Cannot believe people think that this supposed top shelf coach they want shouldn't be required to make the finals THREE years into his tenure. Not asking to win the competition, fine, but surely being in the top half of teams when they had already been next in line knocking on the door both prior to and upon arrival, would be the minimum requirement.

I don't think we can oversimplify it to a boolean success / failure based on a top 8. A lot of destruction has happened to the Tigers over the past years since Sheens left. You can't rebuild a destination that players want to come to overnight.

Penrith had a 5-year plan to rebuild. They saw some success early by creeping into the 8, but they had a good squad and we've only been a few wins off that.

If Madge had come when we still had Ted, Moses, woods, tapau, JAC etc. I have no doubt we would be looking at top 8. But unfortunately, Madge has had to start from a very difficult spot.

That said, I think this roster can certainly make the 8 this year.

 

[earl]

2 years is pretty fair. That will equal to 5 years at the helm (counting next year of course)

Madge probably has the hardest job in the NRL to get this team firing. Longest finals drought who has been screwed around from front office down to the playing group. It feels like we are making serious inroads, now only time will tell if it will be converted to on field success

If we’re not in finals in 2022 then questions will start to have to be asked. At the very least the club has banked on the chance that we lose our coach having hartigan there.

Off field we seem to have turned around really well. Clubs making money we’ve got great staff, just up to the team to start winning games and we will be a powerhouse. We’re one of the most popular teams in the NRL we would be a massive force in the league if we could make finals consistently

No finals next year would be a fail imo. I think the club needs to accept now close enough is not good enough

This years penrith team proved anything was possible in the nrl. They basically finished near last in 2019 and went straight to grand finalists the year after...

I still think our squad isn’t good enough. It’s very contingent on individuals finding their best form again like Joffa, Roberts, Joey, Brooks and our younger guys stepping up. If they can all get going we could for sure make finals. We’ll have to wait and see how they all go, I’m excited.

I'm with you. I'm not even sure our squad is better this year compared to last. I also think the club has done so well over the past couple of seasons.

I just can't see how we would be odds on to make the 8. It'll be interesting when the odds come out prior to the season starting.

 

[jrtiger]

2 years is pretty fair. That will equal to 5 years at the helm (counting next year of course)

Madge probably has the hardest job in the NRL to get this team firing. Longest finals drought who has been screwed around from front office down to the playing group. It feels like we are making serious inroads, now only time will tell if it will be converted to on field success

If we’re not in finals in 2022 then questions will start to have to be asked. At the very least the club has banked on the chance that we lose our coach having hartigan there.

Off field we seem to have turned around really well. Clubs making money we’ve got great staff, just up to the team to start winning games and we will be a powerhouse. We’re one of the most popular teams in the NRL we would be a massive force in the league if we could make finals consistently

No finals next year would be a fail imo. I think the club needs to accept now close enough is not good enough

This years penrith team proved anything was possible in the nrl. They basically finished near last in 2019 and went straight to grand finalists the year after...

I still think our squad isn’t good enough. It’s very contingent on individuals finding their best form again like Joffa, Roberts, Joey, Brooks and our younger guys stepping up. If they can all get going we could for sure make finals. We’ll have to wait and see how they all go, I’m excited.

I'm with you. I'm not even sure our squad is better this year compared to last. I also think the club has done so well over the past couple of seasons.

I just can't see how we would be odds on to make the 8. It'll be interesting when the odds come out prior to the season starting.

at this point I don't think our squad is good enough. yes we've improved our pack but we lost our best front rower and Harry's gone. if we don't get Laurie then we'll have a makeshift fullback for the year, and while blokes like Kepaoa and Talau will naturally improve, if we're going to play finals Roberts and Leilua need to be at their best.

at this point I think we're at about 10th. happy to be proven wrong but there's far better sides out there than us.

 

[BZN]

Just listened to the interview. I didn't hear or comprehend anything that was negative and I didn't lose any respect for the coach. Some of the rumours around things at this place are just perpetuated by grizzling sooks on this forum, probably undercover journos, player managers and people who wear tin foil hats. Sort through that garbage and away we go.

I hope he re-signs and if the fans supported him like they should, we wouldn't be having these conversations.


Its because the Interviewers don't ask any hard questions its a boys club they all look after each other.
Why was Mcintyre not offered a contract.
Have you put pen to paper on a 2 year extension.
Cricket questions seriously ??????

To be honest, I thought the McIntyre questions was answered. He would have liked to keep him, he was fond of him, but salary cap pressures dont make it easy to retain these players.

And his own contract, not sure its worthy of mention either. I'd like him to stay, but has a formal offer been made to extend him? he has not put pen to paper on an extension, otherwise it would have been announced. So why even ask that question? It was reported some time ago that he has agreed verbally to the extension, but there is interest elsewhere and he will sign when he is good and ready, not because he is pressured into it because of a question in a podcast. I can understand why he has not formally signed, especially with a Melbourne opportunity coming up. He is probably, and expectedly, see where WT is heading into 2021 and the same with Melbourne.

Not sure why you expect the spanish inquisition on a run of the mill podcast.


Mcintyre - a BS reply salary cap. (That's what i don't like)
Quote from Player was not even offered a contract to stay.



More than one thing can be true at once.

Let assume that the report that he wasnt offered a contract is true (nothing to prove that but lets assume). It could also be true that McIntyre could have come to the club and said "I have been offered $XXXK from the Titans which for arguments sake could be $ 150-200K more than we were going to offer *due to salary cap pressure* and we said "Good luck mate".


Your point warranted however we let so many players go and Madge even stated wanted to retain - no offer is unacceptable.

Salary cap pressure we signed Jimmy the Jet instead another former Souths player. Lets just see how that works out on BJ form this last season not that great maybe?????


Jimmy the jet is on $20K over minimum wage. Someone has to have that roster slot and you are literally getting a recent SOO player on minimum wage, so yes, that helps enormously with salary cap pressure.

With regards to no offer unacceptable, speaking for myself personally, I wouldn't embarrass myself offering someone I respected $200K less, I would just say "great mate, good luck".


So you would be happy for your employer to replace you without giving you the benefit of a negotiation prior to see if a suitable arrangement can be negotiated?


If it meant that my new employer was giving me an extra $200K, not much of doubling my old employers wage, I would be ecstatic.

Seriously, we are looking for problems that arent there. Madge said McIntyre couldnt be kept because of salary cap pressure and he loves him. EVERY signing or letting go is due to salary cap pressure.

Post from another Forum Member. (Spot On)

I get the impression that the club has organized the roles in the recruitment and retention process so that Madge plays the sympathetic, almost father-figure type role, while Hartigan is the hard man making the tough decision.

For example, Benji approaches Madge and says that he has heard that he won’t be offered a new deal. This is news to Madge. He tells Benji to give him 24 hours and he will see what he can do. He comes back to Benji full of sympathy. “I’m sorry Benji, but the decision has been made…”.

McIntyre phones Madge and says that he still hasn’t received a formal offer from the club and that the Titans have tabled an offer, which he has accepted. Madge expresses surprise and regret that he is going. He tells Macca that he wanted to keep him. Obviously the football department has stuffed up…

This way, Madge stays on good terms with the playing group while Hartigan plays the role of the man making the unpopular decisions.

In the long run you get found out and the playing group lose respect because nothing is transparent its just a blame game as long as your not the one being blamed.


I see your point, I dont agree with it at all but you are more than entitled to your opinion.

A hell of a lot of asssumptions in this other members post and in your assumption that McIntyre was not made any offer.

Regardless, he wasnt valued to the point that the club kept him. Its a tough decision but one that is made every year in 16 clubs. I would have liked him to stay, but not at any price. I am also very happy with the overall picture of the squad being developed at the moment and that gives me encouragement to let these guys just do their job.

I love the respectful way you debate @Tiger5150 .
RE..."I see your point, I don't agree with it at all but you are more than entitled to your opinion".

 

[Tiger5150]

Just listened to the interview. I didn't hear or comprehend anything that was negative and I didn't lose any respect for the coach. Some of the rumours around things at this place are just perpetuated by grizzling sooks on this forum, probably undercover journos, player managers and people who wear tin foil hats. Sort through that garbage and away we go.

I hope he re-signs and if the fans supported him like they should, we wouldn't be having these conversations.


Its because the Interviewers don't ask any hard questions its a boys club they all look after each other.
Why was Mcintyre not offered a contract.
Have you put pen to paper on a 2 year extension.
Cricket questions seriously ??????

To be honest, I thought the McIntyre questions was answered. He would have liked to keep him, he was fond of him, but salary cap pressures dont make it easy to retain these players.

And his own contract, not sure its worthy of mention either. I'd like him to stay, but has a formal offer been made to extend him? he has not put pen to paper on an extension, otherwise it would have been announced. So why even ask that question? It was reported some time ago that he has agreed verbally to the extension, but there is interest elsewhere and he will sign when he is good and ready, not because he is pressured into it because of a question in a podcast. I can understand why he has not formally signed, especially with a Melbourne opportunity coming up. He is probably, and expectedly, see where WT is heading into 2021 and the same with Melbourne.

Not sure why you expect the spanish inquisition on a run of the mill podcast.


Mcintyre - a BS reply salary cap. (That's what i don't like)
Quote from Player was not even offered a contract to stay.



More than one thing can be true at once.

Let assume that the report that he wasnt offered a contract is true (nothing to prove that but lets assume). It could also be true that McIntyre could have come to the club and said "I have been offered $XXXK from the Titans which for arguments sake could be $ 150-200K more than we were going to offer *due to salary cap pressure* and we said "Good luck mate".


Your point warranted however we let so many players go and Madge even stated wanted to retain - no offer is unacceptable.

Salary cap pressure we signed Jimmy the Jet instead another former Souths player. Lets just see how that works out on BJ form this last season not that great maybe?????


Jimmy the jet is on $20K over minimum wage. Someone has to have that roster slot and you are literally getting a recent SOO player on minimum wage, so yes, that helps enormously with salary cap pressure.

With regards to no offer unacceptable, speaking for myself personally, I wouldn't embarrass myself offering someone I respected $200K less, I would just say "great mate, good luck".


So you would be happy for your employer to replace you without giving you the benefit of a negotiation prior to see if a suitable arrangement can be negotiated?


If it meant that my new employer was giving me an extra $200K, not much of doubling my old employers wage, I would be ecstatic.

Seriously, we are looking for problems that arent there. Madge said McIntyre couldnt be kept because of salary cap pressure and he loves him. EVERY signing or letting go is due to salary cap pressure.

Post from another Forum Member. (Spot On)

I get the impression that the club has organized the roles in the recruitment and retention process so that Madge plays the sympathetic, almost father-figure type role, while Hartigan is the hard man making the tough decision.

For example, Benji approaches Madge and says that he has heard that he won’t be offered a new deal. This is news to Madge. He tells Benji to give him 24 hours and he will see what he can do. He comes back to Benji full of sympathy. “I’m sorry Benji, but the decision has been made…”.

McIntyre phones Madge and says that he still hasn’t received a formal offer from the club and that the Titans have tabled an offer, which he has accepted. Madge expresses surprise and regret that he is going. He tells Macca that he wanted to keep him. Obviously the football department has stuffed up…

This way, Madge stays on good terms with the playing group while Hartigan plays the role of the man making the unpopular decisions.

In the long run you get found out and the playing group lose respect because nothing is transparent its just a blame game as long as your not the one being blamed.


I see your point, I dont agree with it at all but you are more than entitled to your opinion.

A hell of a lot of asssumptions in this other members post and in your assumption that McIntyre was not made any offer.

Regardless, he wasnt valued to the point that the club kept him. Its a tough decision but one that is made every year in 16 clubs. I would have liked him to stay, but not at any price. I am also very happy with the overall picture of the squad being developed at the moment and that gives me encouragement to let these guys just do their job.

I love the respectful way you debate @Tiger5150 .
RE..."I see your point, I don't agree with it at all but you are more than entitled to your opinion".

Thanks mate, not necessarily a widely held view

 

[Tigerwould]

I met up with a mate (Sharks supporter) at the Occidental hotel (Near Wynyard) last night. He saw Buzz and Dean (Bulldog) Richie walk did. I said those guys are #%$^wits. I didn’t recognise Richie but Buzz’s ugly head is hard to forget. So I fronted him and told me what I thought of the bias he has in his reporting.

AND

I asked what he had against the Tigers?
He said “nothing”
I said what don’t you ever write anything positive about the club. He said “read this Sunday’s paper” .
Then he showed my mate his Sharks tattoo on his low leg.
Then I had another go about bias reporting

 

[rustycage]

We'll make the finals next season. Absolutely 100% confident of that. We took it to a lot of the frontrunners last year. We'll be 6th or above in my opinion. The forwards are looking awesome. The backs are gonna take us on a ride. Its gonna be fun. Hang on tigers fans.

 

[JC99]

2 years is pretty fair. That will equal to 5 years at the helm (counting next year of course)

Madge probably has the hardest job in the NRL to get this team firing. Longest finals drought who has been screwed around from front office down to the playing group. It feels like we are making serious inroads, now only time will tell if it will be converted to on field success

If we’re not in finals in 2022 then questions will start to have to be asked. At the very least the club has banked on the chance that we lose our coach having hartigan there.

Off field we seem to have turned around really well. Clubs making money we’ve got great staff, just up to the team to start winning games and we will be a powerhouse. We’re one of the most popular teams in the NRL we would be a massive force in the league if we could make finals consistently

No finals next year would be a fail imo. I think the club needs to accept now close enough is not good enough

This years penrith team proved anything was possible in the nrl. They basically finished near last in 2019 and went straight to grand finalists the year after...

I still think our squad isn’t good enough. It’s very contingent on individuals finding their best form again like Joffa, Roberts, Joey, Brooks and our younger guys stepping up. If they can all get going we could for sure make finals. We’ll have to wait and see how they all go, I’m excited.

I'm with you. I'm not even sure our squad is better this year compared to last. I also think the club has done so well over the past couple of seasons.

I just can't see how we would be odds on to make the 8. It'll be interesting when the odds come out prior to the season starting.

Agreed mate. We could either go great or flop. We won’t be favoured to make the 8 that’s for sure

 

[BZN]

If we don't make the 8 next year Madge has to go.
That simple, no excuses

Something Wayne Bennett said he learned from another great coach. You don't let a player go unless you have someone better to replace them!

On the Coaching Market, Maguire is probably the best coach we can get. We could have traded him for Anthony Griffin, who is a very similar coach. As for other standouts, Laurie Daily would be the only other coach that I rate. At club level he is untested.

I don't care, make the 8 or gone would be my communication with Madge for next year, that simple, no excuses.


I think need to be fair on Madge the roster he still has is a hangover from prior and with big $ still tied up with Packer/Mybe/Reynolds. Some however may be getting excited about recent signings however still skeptical.

Tamou - Good Team Player however twilight of career - 2 years is acceptable.

U2Karma (Abbreviated name) - Only 3 appearances in Top grade with Eels total 24 Mins only 20 - Tamou replacement in 2 years if gets game time?

Jet - History of issues with other clubs, unproven if can last a full season only played 6 games last season, 2 year deal club option year 2 - Low $ signing

Mono - Back from the storm solid player will add depth in the centre positions if injuries or may start?

Joe Off - Reasonable signing from a team that won the spoon, tackle efficiency last season 87.9% needs to rediscover some form under Madge???

Blore - 1st full season and off season with us.
Played 5 games last season we lost all 5.
Looks a good prospect if can stay off social media.

So when you look at above i would not overly excited about signing in the off season.

Some we have lost for 2021.

Aloiai - Left for more $ understandable not the right way in leaving the club with dignity, solid player however.

Eisenhuth - Played some good games last season understand why was not retained but a solid player for us.

Grant - Standout we would have kept if we could.

Lawrence - Club player end of career played some good games at centre and covered depth when required.

Marshall - Club stalwart but father time with D caught up, attacking player with experience that could enable points.

Mcintyre - Was not offered a contract, played well for us and improved club disappointed lots of supporters with non loyalty in developing talent and letting go.

Taylor - Solid player nil fuss type some good D work during the season when given game time, understand why not retained but performed well over a few seasons.

So looking at this review how confident are you that the Roster has dramatically improved for 2021???

I am not really convinced, however agree Madge should have at least been offered a 1 year extension, was offered 2 but nothing on pen to paper, No issue offered extension 2 years but expectation would be 8 both these years, if has not signed the extension by start of season i would be offering John Morris a contract (Sharks) for 2 years.


“Make the 8 or gone” That’s what you would say to the coach?
I’m not sure threats will be of any benefit .
If I was the coach and after explaining my goals in detail and getting agreement, I was issued with that sort of threat, I would probably laugh out loud.


Know i would say it like this.
KPI's for 2022 & 2023.
1. Play Finals Football
2. Players should be happy to turn up each week not fearful
3. Develop younger players and retain
4. Build a culture that makes us destination for marquee players to come too.
5. Enjoy the experience, learn from mistakes and develop as a top coach that plays consistent finals.

Just a few to consider we all have KPI's even at home i am the weekly garbage man if i miss putting out usually running up the street in my jocks and in trouble with the wife. lol
Ps - Not a great look now in my late 50's.

:woman-facepalming: 😱k_woman: :no_good: :flushed:

 

[Blake]

What happen if we finish with the spoon in 21 …another massive payout …no eggshells left and another debt that we can’t afford

I think you need to increase your anti-depressant prescription from 1 bucket a day to 2.

 

[yeti]

Facepalmer has us winning the GF! Must be a certainty.

 

[BZN]

Dare I say if WE have success will it be THE MICHAEL MAGUIRE CENTRE OF EXCELLENCE

Chris Lawrence COE I hope. At least a section of it.

You couldn't have named a more deserving player than Chris Lawrence @mike .
And if the sporting gods were a little kinder and things turned out differently...the Taniel Tuiaki/Simon Dwyer COE.