Manly’s sacking of Geoff Toovey eerily similar to Wests Tigers disposal of former coach Mick Potter

[stevetiger]

The Tigers finished with two tries, that was never going to beat the Roosters.

This is I think the key point. We need to be able to threaten when we have the ball. JT for some reason hasn't yet got this point.

 

[stevetiger]

I think one of the biggest points to come out of that article is JT isn't coaching to his roster. Like our halves need to start playing what's in front of them, Taylor needs to start coaching what's in front of him, because what he's doing clearly isn't working.

Agreed. JT keeps talking about Melbourne or the Roosters. We are the Tigers and we have our own roster. He needs to come up with a plan that can win us games.

 

[Russell]

Yes Potter was treated badly , but that's ancient history and we can't change that

A good article hardly , if the journo can't work out why we can't hide Brooks and Moses because we have many defensive deficiencies across the park whether it be by bombs , lack of speed or lack of experience

Agree with you Happy.
I don't think he has tried to understand what is happening at the Wests Tigers at all.
I think he had an agenda before he even put pen to paper.

Just more anti Wests Tiger BS from the Telecrap.

Someone said he was a good journalist - I really don't think they have one.

 

[larrycorowa]

The fall in our completion rates and ill discipline has cost us over the last 6 weeks. Often we are battling against a 45 vs 55% possession rate. We haven't controlled the ball….yet many here are advocating that we give the halves more freedom with the ball?

Against the Roosters and without the ball I thought Moses and Brooks were solid in defence last Friday (most of the tries came from kicks and through Lovett). It was a step up on our previous effort against the Roosters when Cordner and Co ran through Moses all night.

Don't underestimate the impact that constant shuffling in the centres and backrow have affected our edge defence. Sirro made a big difference last week and Lawrence has helped tighten up his side. Unfortunately we have to shuffle again.

I think a good move Halatau to backrow tonight. At least we have two relative experienced edge defenders tonight.

Improvement is often not linear and occurs at varying rates.

 

[happy_tiger]

I agree.

NRL preview this week pointed it out too, as you noted over in that thread:

Don't worry Jirskyr , we will be told we are stupid for these comments shortly

It seems no matter what Taylor does , he is in strife

Don't try for the sympathy vote you guys, we know you're stupid, so we don't have to tell you, lol.

As for Taylor, he gets the same treatment as Sheens & Potter got. Some fans back them to the hilt, others lambast them.

Now it's your turn, call me stupid.

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Not after sympathy , and I won't call you stupid for having a differing opinion CQ

 

[Russell]

JT's constantly carried on about the work being put into defence - constantly. Well, where's the result? .

2014 25.5 average points per game against over the season
2015 23.11 average points per game against season to date

He's improved us by a just over a penalty a game.

Well in my books - that's an improvement.

 

[jirskyr]

JT's constantly carried on about the work being put into defence - constantly. Well, where's the result? .

2014 25.5 average points per game against over the season
2015 23.11 average points per game against season to date

He's improved us by a just over a penalty a game.

This is not correct.

2014 we conceded an average 26.29 points per game.

And now 2015 has changed, after last night's result, 22.74 points per game. This is the 6th best average we've had. The diff of 3.55 points per game is quite significant.

 

[TrueTiger]

JT's constantly carried on about the work being put into defence - constantly. Well, where's the result? .

2014 25.5 average points per game against over the season
2015 23.11 average points per game against season to date

He's improved us by a just over a penalty a game.

This is not correct.

2014 we conceded an average 26.29 points per game.

And now 2015 has changed, after last night's result, 22.74 points per game. This is the 6th best average we've had. The diff of 3.55 points per game is quite significant.

Well we have to crawl before we can walk..small steps peeps,small steps,there is plenty of room to improve the stats…and it's coming...

 

[Tim Sheens]

JT's constantly carried on about the work being put into defence - constantly. Well, where's the result? .

2014 25.5 average points per game against over the season
2015 23.11 average points per game against season to date

He's improved us by a just over a penalty a game.

This is not correct.

2014 we conceded an average 26.29 points per game.

And now 2015 has changed, after last night's result, 22.74 points per game. This is the 6th best average we've had. The diff of 3.55 points per game is quite significant.

The difference fo me is the coaching story in OP, along with a third of the squad on the sideline and second rowers playing next to the white lines through necessity. The second half of last year was an anomaly from which statistics have little relevance.

 

[Doc_Tiger]

Exactly, 4 points a game difference, and a decimated side last year. Bugger all improvement given the acute focus on defence.

 

[stevetiger]

Exactly, 4 points a game difference, and a decimated side last year. Bugger all improvement given the acute focus on defence.

This was always spin from JT though. If anything the Taylor ball tactics stuffed our season and have had no impact on our ability to defend.

Of course defence is important. I don't think that anyone has said anything differently to that. You can't though just defend and have no attack.

If JT can put a good structure in place defensively and offensively then that is great and I will support the guy 100%. I think that he is starting to put together some more solid game plans. I think for instance that he is giving Moses more control of the team and Moses in my opinion looks really good with the increased involvement.

 

[larrycorowa]

We are doing marginally better defensively this year with a vastly more inexperienced side….i would call that an improvement. Next year we may see a quantum leap as our young guys get stronger and more experienced.....our other options are to recruit a bunch of cheap journeyman who may make us slightly more competitive but would get us nowhere long term.

Exhibit A Cronulla. Next few years they lose Gallen, Lewis, Ennis, Gordon, Heighno, Tupou...they are competitive this year but are going nowhere long-term ditto Newcastle, Canberra, St George, Manly. I would not swap our list with any of these teams when I take a 2-3yr view.

 

[happy_tiger]

Exactly, 4 points a game difference, and a decimated side last year. Bugger all improvement given the acute focus on defence.

This was always spin from JT though. If anything the Taylor ball tactics stuffed our season and have had no impact on our ability to defend.

Of course defence is important. I don't think that anyone has said anything differently to that. You can't though just defend and have no attack.

If JT can put a good structure in place defensively and offensively then that is great and I will support the guy 100%. I think that he is starting to put together some more solid game plans. I think for instance that he is giving Moses more control of the team and Moses in my opinion looks really good with the increased involvement.

Yet we were decimated in losing the few quality back rowers we did have signed for 2015

Give it up spinner

 

[larrycorowa]

Losing Simona after 10 mins in about 4-5 games has been really costly…..last year it was Fulton.

 

[jirskyr]

Exactly, 4 points a game difference, and a decimated side last year. Bugger all improvement given the acute focus on defence.

You don't understand, 4 points (well 3.55) reduction is a huge difference.

Since 2005, the average Points Against gap between minor premiers and wooden spoon is 12.2 points per game (14.31 vs 26.51). The Points Against gap between 2nd and 8th is just 3.40 points per game (17.09 vs 20.49).

In 2015 we have conceded the 6th least points per game in WT history. If we were able to reduce the Points Against by another 3.55 next year, it would be our second best defensive year ever. The best defensive year we've ever had was 2011 when we concede just 17.85 points per game. Tigers all-time average Points Against is 23.65 points per game.

On average, teams that make the finals concede less than 20.49 points per game. We are at 22.74 right now.

Of course attack comes into it, but just looking purely at the defensive records of finals sides.

 

[ryanda01]

Exactly, 4 points a game difference, and a decimated side last year. Bugger all improvement given the acute focus on defence.

You don't understand, 4 points (well 3.55) reduction is a huge difference.

Since 2005, the average Points Against gap between minor premiers and wooden spoon is 12.2 points per game (14.31 vs 26.51). The Points Against gap between 2nd and 8th is just 3.40 points per game (17.09 vs 20.49).

In 2015 we have conceded the 6th least points per game in WT history. If we were able to reduce the Points Against by another 3.55 next year, it would be our second best defensive year ever. The best defensive year we've ever had was 2011 when we concede just 17.85 points per game. Tigers all-time average Points Against is 23.65 points per game.

On average, teams that make the finals concede less than 20.49 points per game. We are at 22.74 right now.

Of course attack comes into it, but just looking purely at the defensive records of finals sides.

Stop using statistics and facts to try and prove an argument.

 

[Tiger_In_The_Gong]

Tigers all-time average Points Against is 23.65 points per game.

We are at 22.74 right now.

Ok so if we average 23.65 points per game over our history.

Our current points against per game is 22.74.

Unless you have some other over complicated way of looking at this Jason Taylor has come into the club, made defense the absolute priority and has only improved us by .91 points a game.

Not even a field goal!

In anyone's language thats a massive fail

 

[Yossarian]

Averages can be deceptive. What would you rather? Conceding:

14, 20, 16, 48, 18, 16, 46, 18 = Average 24.5

Or

30, 30, 6, 28, 32, 10, 32, 28 = Average 24.5

 

[innsaneink]

Tooves knifing has likely cost Manly a semis spot….same for us last year

 

[Flippedy]

Tooves knifing has likely cost Manly a semis spot….same for us last year

I dunno Ink, look how Manly played last night! Our guys didn't react like that on the field when they knew Potter was going - we crashed and burned.