Martin Taupau - Discussion Thread

@barra said:
@foreveratiger said:
@Curaeus said:
We really need to grow a pair and just tell Marty there'll be no release; you're a Tiger in 2016\. We may or may not lose him after that but why should we keep caving in to other clubs with fatter chequebooks engaging in conduct (inducement to breach a contract) which is legally actionable if the club wished to pursue it. Who knows, by 2017 we might be able to offer Marty a decent upgrade and he might be happy to stick around

But it's A O.K to grant Adam Blair, Austin and Galloway a release but for you it's not O.K for Taupau to be granted one…...why is this so?
If he don't want to be here ? What's the point holding onto to him when he will be gone in 2017?
If he has no desire to be here and is forced to stay it might be a waste of money and will play disinterested, then people will say why did we keep him?

Next year is a right off IMO already so start organising the Cap for 2017 onwards.
The Club has left us with to many questions unanswered, they will soon know all about it with the membership drive.

FT maybe it is also a situation of who we need and not need?

With Blair he was much aligned and on huge coin, Austin we traded out for Moses and Keith is probably deemed as replaceable (although I would disagree).

Taupau however is someone we need right now IMO.

As mentioned above, other clubs sometimes refuse and it works out OK.
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But you can't have it both ways though.

I'm with you and agree we need Taupau, whether he wants to leave for financial reasons, Family reasons, Club reasons, Coach reasons ????? Who knows…...but couldn't come at a worse time and makes people speculate even more.
But behind closed doors IF Taupau has said to the Club that from 2017 onwards he will be somewhere else, well he might aswell go cause it's not as if he could be the difference in us winning a Premiership or not next year.

As Geo has said......it's all rumours and speculation as there hasn't been any confirmation one way or the other from parties concerned.
 
Yet just a couple of months ago Marty was saying things like 'during the tough times you dig in with your mates and through hard work there will be brighter days ahead'.

Those won't have been his exact words but he was saying numerous things very similar to this on social media.

Not exactly the sort of thing a man who's unhappy or doesn't see better times ahead for the club and with his mates would say.

But then i'm sure some boofhead knows better.
 
@supercoach said:
The old story if their is any substance to this latest rumour, if you want to build a winning culture you want everyone on board and believing in the vision, you can not have people pulling in the other direction no matter how good they are.

So if Marty wants out it will be sad but that is life, one door shuts another opens and it has to be remembered a couple of our better late season wins were achieved with Marty sitting on the sideline because of a dumb play.

As I said in a previous post, teams on the bottom of the heap are always the teams surrounded by gossip,rumour and drama, this will change as we start to climb the ladder in 2016
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We'll be climbing the ladder in 2016? No more languishing on the bottom 8? WOW, that's great news. Can't wait for the season to start SC…. :wink: Love your optimism. There doesn't seem to be enough of it going around.
 
@foreveratiger said:
@barra said:
@foreveratiger said:
@Curaeus said:
We really need to grow a pair and just tell Marty there'll be no release; you're a Tiger in 2016\. We may or may not lose him after that but why should we keep caving in to other clubs with fatter chequebooks engaging in conduct (inducement to breach a contract) which is legally actionable if the club wished to pursue it. Who knows, by 2017 we might be able to offer Marty a decent upgrade and he might be happy to stick around

But it's A O.K to grant Adam Blair, Austin and Galloway a release but for you it's not O.K for Taupau to be granted one…...why is this so?
If he don't want to be here ? What's the point holding onto to him when he will be gone in 2017?
If he has no desire to be here and is forced to stay it might be a waste of money and will play disinterested, then people will say why did we keep him?

Next year is a right off IMO already so start organising the Cap for 2017 onwards.
The Club has left us with to many questions unanswered, they will soon know all about it with the membership drive.

FT maybe it is also a situation of who we need and not need?

With Blair he was much aligned and on huge coin, Austin we traded out for Moses and Keith is probably deemed as replaceable (although I would disagree).

Taupau however is someone we need right now IMO.

As mentioned above, other clubs sometimes refuse and it works out OK.

But you can't have it both ways though.

I'm with you and agree we need Taupau, whether he wants to leave for financial reasons, Family reasons, Club reasons, Coach reasons ????? Who knows…...but couldn't come at a worse time and makes people speculate even more.
But behind closed doors IF Taupau has said to the Club that from 2017 onwards he will be somewhere else, well he might aswell go cause it's not as if he could be the difference in us winning a Premiership or not next year.

As Geo has said......it's all rumours and speculation as there hasn't been any confirmation one way or the other from parties concerned.
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In what possible sense are we having it both ways?

There were contracts between Austin, Blair, and Galloway and the club which which created certain obligations and certain rights upon the parties to the contracts. The contracts were either terminated or varied (who knows exactly which) either with the mutual consent of the parties or under a term within the contract.

Currently, it seems Martin Taupau may want to leave. There is nothing inconsistent with our previous actions in ensuring we are happy with the circumstances of his departure. If we are not happy, then there is nothing inconsistent with refusing a release from the contract.

In fact, I would argue we are not at all having it both ways. We have previously provided consideration in order to release a player early from their contract - see paying players to play at other clubs. Taupau is one of our most important players and should not be allowed to leave in the absence of consideration in the form of a player exchange, or ideally, a transfer fee.
 
@fergiefurr said:
@Tiger Watto said:
@Curaeus said:
Some may recall Tallis wanting out of the Dragons some years ago. As I remember it, Dragons said no, Tallis refused to play for them and Gordy had to sit out an entire season

Completly different circumstances.

Gordon was signed to Super League and the Dragons were aligned to the ARL. The problem started when the ARL had the courts impose an injunction on the start-up of SL for 1996, and the Dragons refused to release him. Tallis chose to sit out on principal, due to the fact all the SL aligned clubs released their ARL contracted players to ARL aligned clubs.

Marty has plenty of family on the Gold Coast. Sometimes that's enough to make the switch from one basket case club to another basket case!

Out of principal? He had a contract!

I hate how Gordon paints himself as some moral high ground when the bloke picks and chooses to be moral when it suits him.

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It was never followed through, but some say his ARL Contract was technically void when he signed the SL contract, and others claimed that while the court injunction ruled SL competition invalid, his original contract would still have effect.

Gordon was happy to take the matter to court, but it never eventuated so we really dont know if he was in breach or entitled to take the actions he chose.

Best get back to Marty now :sign:
 
Who says Taupau hates the place?

Maybe he's realised that another club can pay him $150k more than Tigers in 2016? He may have just said, "if you need someone to go to ease the cap, I've got options?"

Who wouldnt consider that, especially if it comes with a four year deal on top?

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What i mean by having it both ways is…....if a player is not wanted by the Club they allow them to look at other options and the Club play certain tactics to push them away when they don't want a player ( even though they have a Contract ) and if Our Club is not wanted by Taupau we don't allow him to go but other players yes .
So in 1 way when it suits the Club they don't honour players Contracts but the other side of the coin don't release a player when he wants to leave ( for whatever reason ).
There is no doubt the Club has to be in control not the player but what does a Club do if a player doesn't want to be here ?

It depends the mindset of the Club and how there thinking ?
a. Do they keep Marty and force him to honour his Contract despite him going in 2017 ?
b. It slows us in the planning of building a team for the future as his not wanting to be a part of the plans ?
c. Keeps a player against his wishes of wanting to be here and in return doesn't give 100% each week ?

I don't know what's going on but if he doesn't want to be here , we are wasting our energy in structuring him to play in our team when in 2017 he will be gone anyway a year after . IMO
 
@foreveratiger said:
What i mean by having it both ways is…....if a player is not wanted by the Club they allow them to look at other options and the Club play certain tactics to push them away when they don't want a player ( even though they have a Contract ) and if Our Club is not wanted by Taupau we don't allow him to go but other players yes .
So in 1 way when it suits the Club they don't honour players Contracts but the other side of the coin don't release a player when he wants to leave ( for whatever reason ).
There is no doubt the Club has to be in control not the player but what does a Club do if a player doesn't want to be here ?

It depends the mindset of the Club and how there thinking ?
a. Do they keep Marty and force him to honour his Contract despite him going in 2017 ?
b. It slows us in the planning of building a team for the future as his not wanting to be a part of the plans ?
c. Keeps a player against his wishes of wanting to be here and in return doesn't give 100% each week ?

I don't know what's going on but if he doesn't want to be here , we are wasting our energy in structuring him to play in our team when in 2017 he will be gone anyway a year after . IMO
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I don't know mate. I think that both scenarios have recourse for each party involved. Robbie is allowed to stay if he wants and the Club is allowed to keep Taupau if they want.

It's not like contracts don't mean anything. Both parties always have to agree to a break. It's just that the person who doesn't come to an agreement, Farah or in Marty's situation, the Club, might come off looking bad.

I don't reckon Marty would be the type to stew over it if the club told him to stay. It will only lessen his market value if he starts playing sub-par which isn't in his interest. Much like the club pushing Robbie to Reserves, they'll look bad and players won't want to come here. It's an idle threat.

I hope the club pushes Marty to stay (if this rumor is true). Time is a pretty powerful thing. One minute Marty could want to leave, the next we are sitting in the top 4 in 2016 and he'll want to stay.

We still have the Harry T scenario to play out too. If he manages to achieve a buyout, the club will be far more attractive to players.
 
Correct me if im wrong but i thought other clubs couldnt approach players

A. Till November the year before their contract expires

B. Cant entice a player to break a contract

If that is the case and neither rule has been broken it would suggest Taupau just wants out.

I hope he stays but i was worried toward the back end of the year about his form. If he wants big $ he needs to hold the form he started with for a full season not just half.
 
Who's to say he doesn't want to be here… Dobbo lol......Plenty of players change Clubs and don't dog it...Merrin to the Panthers RTS n Luke to Warriors... Floran and Gorden to Parra off the top of my head... all put in for there respective Clubs in their final year...
 
@hammertime said:
@foreveratiger said:
What i mean by having it both ways is…....if a player is not wanted by the Club they allow them to look at other options and the Club play certain tactics to push them away when they don't want a player ( even though they have a Contract ) and if Our Club is not wanted by Taupau we don't allow him to go but other players yes .
So in 1 way when it suits the Club they don't honour players Contracts but the other side of the coin don't release a player when he wants to leave ( for whatever reason ).
There is no doubt the Club has to be in control not the player but what does a Club do if a player doesn't want to be here ?

It depends the mindset of the Club and how there thinking ?
a. Do they keep Marty and force him to honour his Contract despite him going in 2017 ?
b. It slows us in the planning of building a team for the future as his not wanting to be a part of the plans ?
c. Keeps a player against his wishes of wanting to be here and in return doesn't give 100% each week ?

I don't know what's going on but if he doesn't want to be here , we are wasting our energy in structuring him to play in our team when in 2017 he will be gone anyway a year after . IMO

I don't know mate. I think that both scenarios have recourse for each party involved. Robbie is allowed to stay if he wants and the Club is allowed to keep Taupau if they want.

It's not like contracts don't mean anything. Both parties always have to agree to a break. It's just that the person who doesn't come to an agreement, Farah or in Marty's situation, the Club, might come off looking bad.

I don't reckon Marty would be the type to stew over it if the club told him to stay. It will only lessen his market value if he starts playing sub-par which isn't in his interest. Much like the club pushing Robbie to Reserves, they'll look bad and players won't want to come here. It's an idle threat.

I hope the club pushes Marty to stay (if this rumor is true). Time is a pretty powerful thing. One minute Marty could want to leave, the next we are sitting in the top 4 in 2016 and he'll want to stay.

We still have the Harry T scenario to play out too. If he manages to achieve a buyout, the club will be far more attractive to players.
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I do understand that one way or another the Contract will be honoured , i understand all that.

You don't know if he will stew or not and that won't be answered till later on and when his forced to play a year against his will. For all we know something might be on the pipeline with another Club for 2017 already ? who knows.
I'm sure he would not play it out in the media like Farah has….that's for sure.

Top 4 2016 ? :laughing: .
 
Snippet in today's SMH quoting Taylor stating Marty has NOT asked for a release….everyone just ignore that please....carry on,,,,
 
@Geo. said:
Snippet in today's SMH quoting Taylor stating Marty has NOT asked for a release….everyone just ignore that please....carry on,,,,
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A direct quote from the coach? You believe him before Dobbo??? C'mon. …..its Dobbo
 
@Geo. said:
Snippet in today's SMH quoting Taylor stating Marty has NOT asked for a release….everyone just ignore that please....carry on,,,,
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Your boring you know how to spoil the party :roll, I'll make sure the Mrs doesn't invite you to anyof my big birthday bashes of mine when I have to give her my list as you might ring me and tell what's happening :mrgreen: :laughing:
 
@MacDougall said:
Lol Marty hasn't… Doesn't mean his agent didn't ask if the Tigers would be interested in the idea.
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Has his manager?

The quote from Dobbo which is the premise of this thread is Taupau has asked for a release to join the Titans…or Souff's or maybe the Warriors a few weeks back....
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
@Geo. said:
Taupau has asked for a release to join the Titans…or Souff's or maybe the Warriors a few weeks back....

No indication here that it was the manager who asked.
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Maybe umm because he hasn"t,,,
 
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