Matt Ballin signs for two years - official

@haberfield tiger said:
top Recruit. Would of been cheap too. Great mentor for cherington who is clearly not ready for 24 rounds of first grade. When Ballin leaves in 2 yrs Mania will be the best hooker in the game i am sure.. We were stuffed last year when robbie was injured or on origin duty and Halatau was not up to it. I think Ballin and Cherington will share the hooking responsibilities nxt yr. As Batboy said above hes from a winning culture and knows how to execute a plan.. as good a defender as farah. Now we just need souths to jet mcqueen to us so they can make room for burgess…

This exactly as I see it Farah can go off with his Origin mates for 6 weeks through the season and the the team still has a top line hooker on the books …the rubbish about Ballin being signed to put more pressure on Farah is that rubbish. This is a well thought out addition to the club at a good price well done .
 
Farah has under preformed for the last few years. He can't afford not to be at his best next year, so i can't see why anyone would be against this signing.
 
@gallagher said:
Farah has under preformed for the last few years. He can't afford not to be at his best next year, so i can't see why anyone would be against this signing.

Except Robbie….. :wink:
 
@Snake said:
@haberfield tiger said:
top Recruit. Would of been cheap too. Great mentor for cherington who is clearly not ready for 24 rounds of first grade. When Ballin leaves in 2 yrs Mania will be the best hooker in the game i am sure.. We were stuffed last year when robbie was injured or on origin duty and Halatau was not up to it. I think Ballin and Cherington will share the hooking responsibilities nxt yr. As Batboy said above hes from a winning culture and knows how to execute a plan.. as good a defender as farah. Now we just need souths to jet mcqueen to us so they can make room for burgess…

This exactly as I see it Farah can go off with his Origin mates for 6 weeks through the season and the the team still has a top line hooker on the books …the rubbish about Ballin being signed to put more pressure on Farah is that rubbish. This is a well thought out addition to the club at a good price well done .

You really think Farah will play Origin in the form he showed this year - and Mick Ennis's form?
I can assure you Ennis already has Gallen onside, All he will need to do is start the season like he finished this one and Farah won't see Origin again.
 
Matt is a perfect signing considering Farah is as good as gone.

He will start the Match with Mania coming off the bench after 20-25min. Matts best asset is his toughness and willingness to straighten the ruck.

2 good DH will come in handy next year with the new rules. I feel Dene will be used as an 80min backrower in 16, with Sue pushing into Prop Rotation

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When asked about rumours of Ballin leaving Manly late last season, and a link to unrest within the Manly camp, Peter Peters said on radio…."well, there are other issues there".

What might they be,I wonder?
 
I think it's s stupid signing IF Farah stays especially with all the talk all this year about cap issues and the club being broke.. We are probably (I'm guessing here) spending 1.2-1.4 million per season on players that play hooker.

But if looking at this signing with a glass half full attitude, two positive scenarios can be created with Ballin coming to the Tigers if Farah is staying;

1\. Signing Ballin keeps Farah accountable so he's not a walk up start each week, therefore makes him train harder which in turn is seen by the younger players (who apparently follow and love Farah) which in turn makes them push harder because their mature leader is now pushing himself to the next level at training and on game day. He hasn't had to do that in years and maybe that reaction is rubbing off on the baby tiger cubs.
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2\. Thinking outside the box with this one, but maybe Taylor plays all three (Farah, Ballin with cherringron on the bench) in the starting 17\. You have 450 games of experience between the two, they both can tackle and keep the middle of the park tight and this gives Farah the opportunity to inject himself either at hooker with tiring defense or even in the attacking line as another ball player and kicker. Ballin directs the young halves around with his direct approach from dummy half and cherrington replacing him at back end of each half as an extra spark with more speed around the ruck, tired forwards and a reduced interchange.

If Taylor isn't working with one of these scenarios and brought in Ballin purely on emotion, he's just if not more petty as Farah and that's not good …

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I doubt Ballin would come to us to play reserve grade.

Likely JT would have promised him first shot at the NRL side when he is back on the paddock.

In any event, Manly will be paying a large chunk of his salary, so the downside is minimal if it doesn't work out.

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@batboy said:
@Snake said:
@haberfield tiger said:
top Recruit. Would of been cheap too. Great mentor for cherington who is clearly not ready for 24 rounds of first grade. When Ballin leaves in 2 yrs Mania will be the best hooker in the game i am sure.. We were stuffed last year when robbie was injured or on origin duty and Halatau was not up to it. I think Ballin and Cherington will share the hooking responsibilities nxt yr. As Batboy said above hes from a winning culture and knows how to execute a plan.. as good a defender as farah. Now we just need souths to jet mcqueen to us so they can make room for burgess…

This exactly as I see it Farah can go off with his Origin mates for 6 weeks through the season and the the team still has a top line hooker on the books …the rubbish about Ballin being signed to put more pressure on Farah is that rubbish. This is a well thought out addition to the club at a good price well done .

You really think Farah will play Origin in the form he showed this year - and Mick Ennis's form?
I can assure you Ennis already has Gallen onside, All he will need to do is start the season like he finished this one and Farah won't see Origin again.

Ennis' club form might be good, but he has proven to be bloody useless at Origin level. If they don't pick Farah, I think they will be looking elsewhere, not at Ennis.
 
This time last year I said sign the karate kid clown as coach and the Tigers
will have big problems. At the time I was howled down. I rest my case.
 
@beau the critic said:
This time last year I said sign the karate kid clown as coach and the Tigers
will have big problems. At the time I was howled down. I rest my case.

http://weststigersforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=22551&p=535529#p535529
 
My guesses are we are paying literally nothing for Ballin in 2015 in exchange for giving them Taupau a year early. Then if we are paying Ballin say 300-400k in 2016, it really turns out to be a bargain for us at 150-200k per year.

It's a great signing, and keeps the cancer accountable. I just hope we keep Cherro in the meantime.
 
@underdog said:
My guesses are we are paying literally nothing for Ballin in 2015 in exchange for giving them Taupau a year early. Then if we are paying Ballin say 300-400k in 2016, it really turns out to be a bargain for us at 150-200k per year.

It's a great signing, and keeps the cancer accountable. I just hope we keep Cherro in the meantime.

Ballin was still under contract to Manly for 16' and 17' so i doubt we will be paying anything
 
@beau the critic said:
This time last year I said sign the karate kid clown as coach and the Tigers
will have big problems. At the time I was howled down. I rest my case.

And many people said sack Farah last year or the turmoil will continue. And here we are. ….
 
@gallagher said:
@beau the critic said:
This time last year I said sign the karate kid clown as coach and the Tigers
will have big problems. At the time I was howled down. I rest my case.

And many people said sack Farah last year or the turmoil will continue. And here we are. ….

Who would you prefer? Taylor Farah Ballin? Yes I'd prefer Luke to.
 
@beau the critic said:
@gallagher said:
@beau the critic said:
This time last year I said sign the karate kid clown as coach and the Tigers
will have big problems. At the time I was howled down. I rest my case.

And many people said sack Farah last year or the turmoil will continue. And here we are. ….

Who would you prefer? Taylor Farah Ballin? Yes I'd prefer Luke to.

I want taylor and ballin. I've seen enough of Farah.
 
@Milky said:
@underdog said:
My guesses are we are paying literally nothing for Ballin in 2015 in exchange for giving them Taupau a year early. Then if we are paying Ballin say 300-400k in 2016, it really turns out to be a bargain for us at 150-200k per year.

It's a great signing, and keeps the cancer accountable. I just hope we keep Cherro in the meantime.

Ballin was still under contract to Manly for 16' and 17' so i doubt we will be paying anything

Oh, really?

Even better.

QLD Bench Hooker for zero dollars vs current out of form, petulant, incumbent NSW hooker for a million? :mrgreen:
 

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