Meyer: cambo has once last chance

@Knuckles said:
@gallagher said:
@Knuckles said:
The $25k that Mayer talks about to play at Campbelltown is interesting. I think he said we need a crowd of about 15k to cut even. So based on Saturday nights crowd of 6.5k it would cost the club about $14k to play the match there. Is that an inordinate amount of money in the big scheme of things ?
We do seem to be getting a lot of young players coming through as a result of promoting and developing the game in the region so to pay $14k ….. Should it be considered as an investment rather than a dead loss. From where I sit its $14k better spent than some of the money spent that could have been put to better use.

Its a big enough of a figure if we are forgoing $100k at Homebush for that game. Times that by four and its not money we can go without.

What happens one day if the Stadium funding should ever dry up ?

Whats happens if the company I work for goes broke? Should I quit now just in case? What if pokies are made illegal? Should Wests Group sell them off now just in case.
The stadium money is available now, we need to take it.
 
@gallagher said:
@Knuckles said:
The $25k that Mayer talks about to play at Campbelltown is interesting. I think he said we need a crowd of about 15k to cut even. So based on Saturday nights crowd of 6.5k it would cost the club about $14k to play the match there. Is that an inordinate amount of money in the big scheme of things ?
We do seem to be getting a lot of young players coming through as a result of promoting and developing the game in the region so to pay $14k ….. Should it be considered as an investment rather than a dead loss. From where I sit its $14k better spent than some of the money spent that could have been put to better use.

Its a big enough of a figure if we are forgoing $100k at Homebush for that game. Times that by four and its not money we can go without.

ok… but 6,500 people at $20 is also $130,000 so subtract the $25k for the ground and how far apart is the real value?

Mayer and his 15k... i take $20 as average for giggles, thats $300,000... take away the $25k so $275,000... have to be dead set mongoloids to not invest in that kind of money and run from the place. Shows how poor the fellas upstairs thought process is... doesnt take much of a bump from the weekends numbers to put the ANZ cash to shame, yet want the easy money...
 
@galahs said:
Wests Tigers lowest Home Crowds

4125 Wests Tigers v Penrith Campbelltown 25-May-2003
4359 Wests Tigers v Northern Eagles Leichhardt 28-Jul-2001
4724 Wests Tigers v North Queensland Leichhardt 14-Jul-2001
5287 Wests Tigers v Melbourne Leichhardt 24-Aug-2002
**5288 Wests Tigers v Melbourne Leichhardt 29-Jun-2013**
5648 Wests Tigers v Melbourne Leichhardt 17-Jul-2004
6158 Wests Tigers v North Queensland Campbelltown 31-Aug-2003
**6456 Wests Tigers v North Queensland Campbelltown 12-Apr-2014**

putting the leichardt v campbelltown aside for a second…

the 5288 at leichardt v melbourne was a good crowd considering conditions. it was pouring all day and all night. what a cracker of a game it ended up being. it would have been dreadful watching that game at an ANZ or Allianz..
 
@Black'n'White said:
@gallagher said:
@Knuckles said:
The $25k that Mayer talks about to play at Campbelltown is interesting. I think he said we need a crowd of about 15k to cut even. So based on Saturday nights crowd of 6.5k it would cost the club about $14k to play the match there. Is that an inordinate amount of money in the big scheme of things ?
We do seem to be getting a lot of young players coming through as a result of promoting and developing the game in the region so to pay $14k ….. Should it be considered as an investment rather than a dead loss. From where I sit its $14k better spent than some of the money spent that could have been put to better use.

Its a big enough of a figure if we are forgoing $100k at Homebush for that game. Times that by four and its not money we can go without.

ok… but 6,500 people at $20 is also $130,000 so subtract the $25k for the ground and how far apart is the real value?

Mayer and his 15k... i take $20 as average for giggles, thats $300,000... take away the $25k so $275,000... have to be dead set mongoloids to not invest in that kind of money and run from the place. Shows how poor the fellas upstairs thought process is... doesnt take much of a bump from the weekends numbers to put the ANZ cash to shame, yet want the easy money...

I doubt your figures are even close. All previous ceo's have stated we need 15k to break even.
 
@Black'n'White said:
a walk up adult ticket is $30… 15k @ $20 per as an average is $300k... if it costs that much to put a game on, to break even....

I'm only going on info from people who would know. If they were lying someone would have proved then wrong by now. And why would they lie?
 
Fans that demand a series of conditions to be met to bless the club with their attendance are not to be placated and catered for, they are to be ignored. These fans will always have something to justify their non attendance regardless of what the club do or do not do.

That goes for any fan regardless of where they find their roots.
 
Do they actually have any interest in telling us the truth in this instance? Who would externally audit to prove them wrong?

By your account, ANZ must start at a $300,000 deficit before a single spectator enters the gates… $100,000 to us to play there and at least $200,000 running costs (the running costs is a comparative conservative cost aligned to what our CEO's say is the break even factoring in attendance prices even lower than I originally did)...
 
In the past 20 fixtures at both Campbelltown and Leichhardt, only 8 and 7 times as a “Sydney” club appeared there (Knights not counted as a Sydney club in the count)

Wests Tigers home games involving Sydney clubs:
8 games at Campbelltown – AVG: 15,077
7 games at Leichhardt – AVG: 16,278

Wests Tigers most popular timeslots (Since 2009):
Campbelltown: 7:30pm Saturday (6 Games)
Leichhardt – Sunday (3pm: 5 Games, 2pm: 2 Games)
 
@Black'n'White said:
Do they actually have any interest in telling us the truth in this instance? Who would externally audit to prove them wrong?

By your account, ANZ must start at a $300,000 deficit before a single spectator enters the gates… $100,000 to us to play there and at least $200,000 running costs (the running costs is a comparative conservative cost aligned to what our CEO's say is the break even factoring in attendance prices even lower than I originally did)...

ANZ have offsetting factors such as corporate boxes, gold members, their share in the parking revenue, the share of The Brewery that they own etc etc.

It is complicated but they do just fine
 
6,500 fans turned out to watch Wests Tigers Vs. Nth QLD at Campbelltown Sports Stadium on Saturday night 12th April. 6,456 to be exact. The supposed heartland; the so-called long-term future of the Joint Venture entity. The highflying Tigers are currently sitting second on the Telstra Premiership ladder, having won 4 of their first 6 Premiership games in 2014\. All of those wins, Wests have displayed a confident, free flowing attack and a no fear approach in defence which has troubled their opposition providing great entertainment for their fans.

But where are their fans? A week ago, Wests Tigers saw 16,000 plus fans cram into Leichhardt Oval to watch their team comprehensively defeat Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles. Wests have been the underdogs in all of their games this year and keep coming up trumps, defeating Manly, Souths, Gold Coast and Nth QLD. Success usually brings the fans out of the woodwork, as they dust off their Black, White and Gold and attend games, especially fixtures at their traditional home grounds of Leichhardt and Campbelltown.

Although, Wests officials were scratching their heads at where the other 10,000 plus fans were only 6 days earlier. Something just is not adding up. A winning team, sitting high in the Top 4, star players and young guns in amazing form, taking on Rugby League royalty in names like Jonathan Thurston and rep stars in Scott, Tamou, Sims, Tate etc. One would assume Campbelltown should have been packed to the rafters, but on the contrary, it was a ghost town.

The Campbelltown-Macarthur municipality is one of the largest growth regions in NSW, housing a population of approximately 500,000, with more growth projected. A boundary that starts at Liverpool and stretches all the way to the Southern Highlands. This is Wests Tigers backyard. Not only do they have such a vast region at its disposal, they have a junior nursery that all NRL Clubs would kill for. Yet, 6456 fans rocked up at Campbelltown to watch their NRL representative side.

Why? Well let’s address the obvious. Not everyone who lives in the South-West of Sydney is a Wests Tigers fan. Many would already have a pre-existing club they barrack for. Wests Tigers have known this fact for 15 years, and their target has been the next generation, attracting and appealing to the kids, the juniors, the youth to become fans and members moving forward. So how do you grow support for the Wests Tigers brand and club?

Then there’s the segmentation in membership. 15 years on, and there is still ill feeling between the factional supporter bases of Balmain and Western Suburbs. Whilst the inhabitants, populations and overall demography of the inner west of Sydney, specifically centred around the Balmain region no longer support Rugby League, many old Tigers fans who live west of Homebush still make the nostalgic trip to Leichhardt, yet refuse to travel down the Hume Hwy and M5 to Campbelltown, due to the attitude that its “not our home ground”.

Tigers officials seem to think they are doing enough, but it is crystal clear they are not. Be it through a lack of effort, engagement or just resting on their laurels, thinking success will bring the fans back. Sadly, it won’t and the proof is in the pudding. Since 2011, crowds have been on the steady decline.. The community along with old Western Suburbs fans have been disenfranchised through a severe lack of equality along with an extreme lack of presence in the area, coupled by a strong dominance of Black and Gold across playing strip, merchandise, marketing and promotion of the club, link and association by media which often associates Wests Tigers as Balmain.

Add to the fact the Joint Venture Club is located some 60km away from the Macarthur region and only fronts up 4 times a year. Ask any resident if they truly believe Wests Tigers is really representing the area and its community. Wests CEO Grant Mayer made some stunning comments after the Tigers thrilling victory against the Cowboys, stating that fans and the community of the Macarthur region have one final throw of the dice to turn up otherwise Wests Tigers will play even less games at Campbelltown Sports Stadium.

Personally, a threat such as that which is an aggressive approach is not the right way to go about winning back a disgruntled area and fan base. It is a poor approach and a reactive attitude from a management perspective. Yes, it is disappointing. Yes it hurts the club financially, who made a loss due to the poor patronage that walked through the turnstiles. But what would have been a better a approach would have been Mayer coming out and saying we are going to work harder to engage the fans, the community and show them we are committed to calling the South-West our home.

Turning up 4 times a year and having a merchandise outlet in the region is not going to do the trick. Neither will the odd coaching clinic or player appearance. The region wants its own team. Its own representative team that is playing for its area. And it deserves it. The demographics; the logistics; the infrastructure all support this reasoning. Not a club that turns up casually several times a year and demands people turn up to watch them go round. Wests Tigers are either extremely naïve or are just blatantly ignorant.

I respect that it is difficult to balance commercial incentives and being present and visible in your region. But Penrith and Parramatta, two other Western Sydney based teams have managed to make it work. Can you imagine if the Panthers abandoned Penrith, or the Eels Parramatta, only to turn up 3-4 times a season? What do you think their respective communities and locals would be thinking?

Further to Mayer’s comments, the figurehead stated that the club would be offering $10 dollar tickets to their next home game at Campbelltown; a fixture that is being promoted as a 15 year anniversary game, which saw Wests take on Brisbane back in 2000, the first game as a Joint Venture Club. Do Wests Tigers really think throw cheap tickets at the area again, will be enough to entice them to turn up? The Tigers are taking the community as forgiving, gullible mugs.

The club has neglected the area for 15 years. That is the crux of this entire issue. Wests Tigers now face a momentous task of trying to win their community of the South-West of Sydney back. But if last night’s attendance was anything to go by, I fear no amount of games; no amount of player appearances, clinics and other initiatives in the area will make a dent in the hearts and minds of the region. Enough is enough. They have made up their mind. Years and years of being treated with utter contempt has taken its toll and fermented to the surface and it is evident to see.

Will Wests Tigers, their CEO and Board roll their sleeves up and work hard with the community to try and bring them back to the club? Or will this now provide ammunition for the club to take more games to ANZ Stadium in return for a positive, guaranteed financial return? From a commercial viewpoint, the Joint Venture would prefer to be making money and generating revenue. The Joint Venture’s financial problems are well documented and have been made aware to all. They have been bailed out by the NRL due to the Balmain Tigers being unable to financially contribute to the Joint Venture for a number of years. So the easy option would be to just reallocate Campbelltown fixtures to Sydney Olympic Park.

It is a sad and sorry state of affairs, but the only fingers that should be being pointed in regards to blame is wholly and solely at Wests Tigers. They have alienated old Magpie supporters through the perceived lack of inequality in an entity the Western Suburbs Group co-own; and now their own community of the South-West has had a proverbial gutful of their idea of commitment to the region. Everyone in Rugby League acknowledges the importance the South-West of Sydney has to the game. Hence why it was highlighted as a vital key in securing the corridor as Rugby League territory way back in the 1980s.

Western Suburbs Magpies relocated from Lidcombe to Leumeah way back in 1987 to ensure their future in Rugby League. The commercial realities bite the Magpies hard in 1999 who sought to extend their life in the NRL as a Joint Venture. One of the major reasons why Western Suburbs explored the avenue of a Joint Venture was mainly due to not wanting to see the Macarthur region without a strong Rugby League presence and to ensure the region continued to have ‘their own team’. 15 years on, the Campbelltown-Macarthur area has anything but their own representative NRL team to call their own. Instead they get an inner city based franchise they strolls down the M5 four times a year claiming they are the side, the team, the club that epitomies Rugby League in the South-West of Sydney.

But don’t tell Wests Tigers that. They are apparently ‘doing enough’. If the Tigers won’t service and show the Macarthur region the commitment it solemnly deserves, perhaps its time to give it to an NRL club that will. Neglect your region and it will respond in kind. Rather than a story explaining “How the west was won” this is more along the lines of a tragedy of “How the west was lost”

http://dwatsonhayes.wordpress.com/2014/04/13/a-region-neglected-how-the-west-was-lost-nrl-itsmylife-2560-rugbyleague/
 
@gallagher said:
I doubt your figures are even close. All previous ceo's have stated we need 15k to break even.

Correct and that is to break even. So that means that by foregoing a game at ANZ, if we get 15K at Leichhardt or Campbo, it is ACTUALLY costing us $100K, last week effectively costs us probably around $120K. That is what people need to get their head around.

I love Leichhardt and think we should not abandon Campbelltown but its probably costing us around $500K a year
 
@Knuckles said:
The $25k that Mayer talks about to play at Campbelltown is interesting. I think he said we need a crowd of about 15k to cut even. So based on Saturday nights crowd of 6.5k it would cost the club about $14k to play the match there. Is that an inordinate amount of money in the big scheme of things ?
We do seem to be getting a lot of young players coming through as a result of promoting and developing the game in the region so to pay $14k ….. Should it be considered as an investment rather than a dead loss. From where I sit its $14k better spent than some of the money spent that could have been put to better use.

Council Charge WT $25k to play there and charge $2500 for stand alone nsw cup games.

LO is free but WT do have to fork out $$ for screen hire and other facilities / resources for the day

WT simply want the easy cash from ANZ and this issue is a way of making an excuse to exit Campbelltown (and eventually LO) for the $$$

What about a proper long term south west strategy from the CEO for WT?

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@smeghead said:
@Black'n'White said:
Do they actually have any interest in telling us the truth in this instance? Who would externally audit to prove them wrong?

By your account, ANZ must start at a $300,000 deficit before a single spectator enters the gates… $100,000 to us to play there and at least $200,000 running costs (the running costs is a comparative conservative cost aligned to what our CEO's say is the break even factoring in attendance prices even lower than I originally did)...

ANZ have offsetting factors such as corporate boxes, gold members, their share in the parking revenue, the share of The Brewery that they own etc etc.

It is complicated but they do just fine

Totally agree, they dont play for chump change there, i have been involved with a show at a different part of the park…

My point is barring ground costs, Security contract, casual staff, and insurance, there isnt too many other overheads that should strip big coin... catering would be contracted out... A gate for a crowd of 15,000 isnt a laughable sum, nor even a 10k gate. Running costs should be nowhere even close to stripping that kind of money.
 
To me it was a poor reaction from Mayer. Threatening people to turn up or else is not the way to go about things in my opinion. He is entitled to be dissapointed, however for a leader of the club they were pretty startling remarks.
 

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