Michael Maguire should be our new coach

[mike]

For those of you supporting Madge.
If he retains his job is there a point at which you will draw the line?
4 years of no improvement?
5 Years of no improvement?

At what point does the mythical all encompassing excuse of "the long game" end?


In my case it is when his contract expires.If improvements are not obvious by then despite his changes to the roster then we get a replacement

Exactly, when his contact expires and not a second before.

So you're also happy with another 5 year "long game" after that.
Another patient man.

I learnt a very long time ago, in my early teens, one of the main differences between champions and also rans is that also rans give up, champions don’t. He has a contract and should be allowed to finish what he started.

 

[Guest]

For those of you supporting Madge.
If he retains his job is there a point at which you will draw the line?
4 years of no improvement?
5 Years of no improvement?

At what point does the mythical all encompassing excuse of "the long game" end?


In my case it is when his contract expires.If improvements are not obvious by then despite his changes to the roster then we get a replacement

So that would be 5 years of failure at which time I presume you're happy for the "long game" to start over for another 5 years as that would only be fair to the new coach.
You're a very patient man.

Lets be fair Dwight...the first 1or 2 years Madge had to sort the roster and change the culture before we even thought of fielding a team that could make the finals...
So in actual fact after sorting the Ivan fiasco and players he purchased to buy a premiership and start on a level where he can field a team.it really has been this year where he debuted a lot of young guys,used what he could with Mbye,JR gone,Packer sidelined,Matts retired and the pathways opening up ...It really will be this next 2 years that should define Madges coaching career with us...Blaming Madge for the incompetence of a previous coach and board decisions shouldnt be placed in his first 2 years of his contract....hence they extended him for 2 years .....

Exactly

Madge is trying to set us up so we never have to go through this crap again

After 10 years of failure someone had to be man enough to do it the right way no matter the toll on them personally and Madge was the only one with the balls to do it

Very courageous and may cost him his job

Selfless as well

He deserves credit for it and a bit of xtra time to reap the rewards for setting us up for the long term

So you have actually doubled down and would extend his contract as he has set us up for the future.

 

[TigerWest]

For those of you supporting Madge.
If he retains his job is there a point at which you will draw the line?
4 years of no improvement?
5 Years of no improvement?

At what point does the mythical all encompassing excuse of "the long game" end?


In my case it is when his contract expires.If improvements are not obvious by then despite his changes to the roster then we get a replacement

So that would be 5 years of failure at which time I presume you're happy for the "long game" to start over for another 5 years as that would only be fair to the new coach.
You're a very patient man.

It's better then rotating coaches every few years, because you're not happy with the results?

None of us happy with the results, the plan to develop has merit and is worth pursuing imo.

 

[Guest]

It's interesting that none of the responses defend in any way our style of play, or point to any improvements that the coach has made in our on field performance.
All the responses are about our recruitment.
Maybe that should be his job, not head coach.

 

[TrueTiger]

It's interesting that none of the responses defend in any way our style of play, or point to any improvements that the coach has made in our on field performance.
All the responses are about our recruitment.
Maybe that should be his job, not head coach.

I would like to say "give it a break Dwight"however you are entitled to your opinion and yes the A/D arent up to NRL level as yet ......Neither are half the young talented guys we have,they are learning.....what dont you understand about that ? Madge is doing his best with what he has got,Im all for him seeing out his tenure and what he can do with this young group....

 

[Aceshigh]

Yep i am with you True Tiger , give Madge a fair go , he will improve these young blokes 👍

 

[Guest]

O.K I'll wrap it up.

You're all happy to write off next year because it's all part of a grand plan.
On field performance is irrelevant.
Stuctures, processes.....al the things that good coaches implement aren't necessary because we have a group that is "learning"?
5 years isn't long enough because the first 2 years don't count.
No coach could possibly do better.
I feel educated and yet depressed.
I shall sign off as I don't want to annoy the congregation.
Resume your prayers and worship.

 

[Geo]

There's a plan...?

 

[tiger05premier]

It's interesting that none of the responses defend in any way our style of play, or point to any improvements that the coach has made in our on field performance.
All the responses are about our recruitment.
Maybe that should be his job, not head coach.

I would like to say "give it a break Dwight"however you are entitled to your opinion and yes the A/D arent up to NRL level as yet ......Neither are half the young talented guys we have,they are learning.....what dont you understand about that ? Madge is doing his best with what he has got,Im all for him seeing out his tenure and what he can do with this young group....

Yes some ppl are too impatient and are even harder to get through to

I don't have time to write a novel to explain my point to them so usually just give up on explaining my argument

 

[happy_tiger]

There's a plan...?

A Grand one

 

[851]

For those of you supporting Madge.
If he retains his job is there a point at which you will draw the line?
4 years of no improvement?
5 Years of no improvement?

At what point does the mythical all encompassing excuse of "the long game" end?


In my case it is when his contract expires.If improvements are not obvious by then despite his changes to the roster then we get a replacement

Exactly, when his contact expires and not a second before.

So you're also happy with another 5 year "long game" after that.
Another patient man.

I learnt a very long time ago, in my early teens, one of the main differences between champions and also rans is that also rans give up, champions don’t. He has a contract and should be allowed to finish what he started.

So you were happy for Packer to stay the full 4 years, and happy for Mbye to stay next year, or Brooks and Nofa to stay their contracts, at some point a contract is no longer enough to keep someone, there has to be improvement to warrant being kept

 

[851]

O.K I'll wrap it up.

You're all happy to write off next year because it's all part of a grand plan.
On field performance is irrelevant.
Stuctures, processes.....al the things that good coaches implement aren't necessary because we have a group that is "learning"?
5 years isn't long enough because the first 2 years don't count.
No coach could possibly do better.
I feel educated and yet depressed.
I shall sign off as I don't want to annoy the congregation.
Resume your prayers and worship.

I am 100% onboard with you, if I could see players buying in to his style, or see our defence improve, or maybe our attack look crisp, or even able to recruit some established quality players to plug the holes, but none of this has occurred, or looks like occurring

 

[mike]

For those of you supporting Madge.
If he retains his job is there a point at which you will draw the line?
4 years of no improvement?
5 Years of no improvement?

At what point does the mythical all encompassing excuse of "the long game" end?


In my case it is when his contract expires.If improvements are not obvious by then despite his changes to the roster then we get a replacement

Exactly, when his contact expires and not a second before.

So you're also happy with another 5 year "long game" after that.
Another patient man.

I learnt a very long time ago, in my early teens, one of the main differences between champions and also rans is that also rans give up, champions don’t. He has a contract and should be allowed to finish what he started.

So you were happy for Packer to stay the full 4 years, and happy for Mbye to stay next year, at some point a contract is no longer enough to keep someone, there has to be improvement

They have binding contracts. If both parties agree to leave that’s fine, if not then they stay. Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

 

[851]

For those of you supporting Madge.
If he retains his job is there a point at which you will draw the line?
4 years of no improvement?
5 Years of no improvement?

At what point does the mythical all encompassing excuse of "the long game" end?


In my case it is when his contract expires.If improvements are not obvious by then despite his changes to the roster then we get a replacement

Exactly, when his contact expires and not a second before.

So you're also happy with another 5 year "long game" after that.
Another patient man.

I learnt a very long time ago, in my early teens, one of the main differences between champions and also rans is that also rans give up, champions don’t. He has a contract and should be allowed to finish what he started.

So you were happy for Packer to stay the full 4 years, and happy for Mbye to stay next year, at some point a contract is no longer enough to keep someone, there has to be improvement

They have binding contracts. If both parties agree to leave that’s fine, if not then they stay. Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

Yes it is, you said he has a contract and should be left to finish what he started, the players have contracts too and started playing Madges style, so they should be left to finish their contracts

 

[mike]

For those of you supporting Madge.
If he retains his job is there a point at which you will draw the line?
4 years of no improvement?
5 Years of no improvement?

At what point does the mythical all encompassing excuse of "the long game" end?


In my case it is when his contract expires.If improvements are not obvious by then despite his changes to the roster then we get a replacement

Exactly, when his contact expires and not a second before.

So you're also happy with another 5 year "long game" after that.
Another patient man.

I learnt a very long time ago, in my early teens, one of the main differences between champions and also rans is that also rans give up, champions don’t. He has a contract and should be allowed to finish what he started.

So you were happy for Packer to stay the full 4 years, and happy for Mbye to stay next year, at some point a contract is no longer enough to keep someone, there has to be improvement

They have binding contracts. If both parties agree to leave that’s fine, if not then they stay. Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

Yes it is, you said he has a contract and should be left to finish what he started, the players have contracts too and started playing Madges style, so they should be left to finish their contracts

Absolute rubbish.

 

[851]

For those of you supporting Madge.
If he retains his job is there a point at which you will draw the line?
4 years of no improvement?
5 Years of no improvement?

At what point does the mythical all encompassing excuse of "the long game" end?


In my case it is when his contract expires.If improvements are not obvious by then despite his changes to the roster then we get a replacement

Exactly, when his contact expires and not a second before.

So you're also happy with another 5 year "long game" after that.
Another patient man.

I learnt a very long time ago, in my early teens, one of the main differences between champions and also rans is that also rans give up, champions don’t. He has a contract and should be allowed to finish what he started.

So you were happy for Packer to stay the full 4 years, and happy for Mbye to stay next year, at some point a contract is no longer enough to keep someone, there has to be improvement

They have binding contracts. If both parties agree to leave that’s fine, if not then they stay. Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

Yes it is, you said he has a contract and should be left to finish what he started, the players have contracts too and started playing Madges style, so they should be left to finish their contracts

Absolute rubbish.

Your words

I learnt a very long time ago, in my early teens, one of the main differences between champions and also rans is that also rans give up, champions don’t. He has a contract and should be allowed to finish what he started.

 

[mike]

For those of you supporting Madge.
If he retains his job is there a point at which you will draw the line?
4 years of no improvement?
5 Years of no improvement?

At what point does the mythical all encompassing excuse of "the long game" end?


In my case it is when his contract expires.If improvements are not obvious by then despite his changes to the roster then we get a replacement

Exactly, when his contact expires and not a second before.

So you're also happy with another 5 year "long game" after that.
Another patient man.

I learnt a very long time ago, in my early teens, one of the main differences between champions and also rans is that also rans give up, champions don’t. He has a contract and should be allowed to finish what he started.

So you were happy for Packer to stay the full 4 years, and happy for Mbye to stay next year, at some point a contract is no longer enough to keep someone, there has to be improvement

They have binding contracts. If both parties agree to leave that’s fine, if not then they stay. Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

Yes it is, you said he has a contract and should be left to finish what he started, the players have contracts too and started playing Madges style, so they should be left to finish their contracts

Absolute rubbish.

Your words

I learnt a very long time ago, in my early teens, one of the main differences between champions and also rans is that also rans give up, champions don’t. He has a contract and should be allowed to finish what he started.

Yep, which you clearly do not understand.

 

[Demps]

Madge walked into a mess , cap wise and roster wise.

The cap has improved and you could say the roster has also improved.

Still have some very obvious flaws across the board though, from management, assistant coaches and lack of decent cattle in important positions.

Some improvements made - EG, bringing in a winger (Maumalo) which was needed but a lot more needs to be done over the off season for us to be competitive next year.

As the young don @WT2K said, there are reviews done every year. This time we actually need an outcome from the review.

New and FG ready assistant coaches.
And some top 17 type recruitment.
That's priority.

 

[851]

For those of you supporting Madge.
If he retains his job is there a point at which you will draw the line?
4 years of no improvement?
5 Years of no improvement?

At what point does the mythical all encompassing excuse of "the long game" end?


In my case it is when his contract expires.If improvements are not obvious by then despite his changes to the roster then we get a replacement

Exactly, when his contact expires and not a second before.

So you're also happy with another 5 year "long game" after that.
Another patient man.

I learnt a very long time ago, in my early teens, one of the main differences between champions and also rans is that also rans give up, champions don’t. He has a contract and should be allowed to finish what he started.

So you were happy for Packer to stay the full 4 years, and happy for Mbye to stay next year, at some point a contract is no longer enough to keep someone, there has to be improvement

They have binding contracts. If both parties agree to leave that’s fine, if not then they stay. Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

Yes it is, you said he has a contract and should be left to finish what he started, the players have contracts too and started playing Madges style, so they should be left to finish their contracts

Absolute rubbish.

Your words

I learnt a very long time ago, in my early teens, one of the main differences between champions and also rans is that also rans give up, champions don’t. He has a contract and should be allowed to finish what he started.

Yep, which you clearly do not understand.

Obviously not, or maybe you just have different values for players than a coach, I must be really stupid then, and you too smart for my tiny brain to process, must be great up there

 

[mike]

For those of you supporting Madge.
If he retains his job is there a point at which you will draw the line?
4 years of no improvement?
5 Years of no improvement?

At what point does the mythical all encompassing excuse of "the long game" end?


In my case it is when his contract expires.If improvements are not obvious by then despite his changes to the roster then we get a replacement

Exactly, when his contact expires and not a second before.

So you're also happy with another 5 year "long game" after that.
Another patient man.

I learnt a very long time ago, in my early teens, one of the main differences between champions and also rans is that also rans give up, champions don’t. He has a contract and should be allowed to finish what he started.

So you were happy for Packer to stay the full 4 years, and happy for Mbye to stay next year, at some point a contract is no longer enough to keep someone, there has to be improvement

They have binding contracts. If both parties agree to leave that’s fine, if not then they stay. Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

Yes it is, you said he has a contract and should be left to finish what he started, the players have contracts too and started playing Madges style, so they should be left to finish their contracts

Absolute rubbish.

Your words

I learnt a very long time ago, in my early teens, one of the main differences between champions and also rans is that also rans give up, champions don’t. He has a contract and should be allowed to finish what he started.

Yep, which you clearly do not understand.

Obviously not, or maybe you just have different values for players than a coach, I must be really stupid then, and you too smart for my tiny brain to process, must be great up there

Your words, not mine.