Michael Maguire should be our new coach

[Pascoes_barber]

A lot of us are just frustrated in the knowledge that Bellamy cld turn this albeit somewhat modest roster into a top 8 team next year with individual coaching and creating a positive culture rather than an ongoing diet of threats ,expletives and fingerpointing

I tend to think that Bellamy enjoys the expletives and fingerpointing just as much (if not more) than Madge.

 

[851]

Madge has left himself with a bunch of young "athletes" but not many are real footballers and even fewer with genuine leadership skills..so we are totally rudderless onfield
As for the supposed development ,with the exception of Stefano(who had to be endorsed by Daley in SOO before he became a regular starter in WTs!!!) and Laurie,all these young supposed talents reach a certain level(usually just below NRL standard)and just dont develop any further....so they get dropped rather than developed.Or we perservere without addressing individual issues....
A lot of us are just frustrated in the knowledge that Bellamy cld turn this albeit somewhat modest roster into a top 8 team next year with individual coaching and creating a positive culture rather than an ongoing diet of threats ,expletives and fingerpointing
We need change

Maybe you want results yesterday from the young guys....they need more NRL game time and Madge has slowly given the ones with talent a turn...but its always easy to blame the coach....even if they sack him tommorrow to the cheers of his haters...I commend him for the work he has done with the pathways and giving the young talent a chance without blowing the budget a la Ivan with no finals either...

Grow up.
Nobody"hates"anybody...nobody expects results yesterday.....but Ive just seen us going backwards year after year with absolutely no signs of the short/medium term future being any different for the reasons I articulated.
Like any business,youve just gotta cut yr losses at some stage to move forward

We have cut our losses,Mbye going,Packer going,JR gone...the cap is getting back in shape,the cap was slaughtered by Ivan trying to buy a premiership but absconded halfway through doing his professional job here with us...9th was the best he could do and spent a fortune that left Madge hogtied until next year,to offset that he has developed a miriade of young talented players that will be the core of our future team...
Madge will be able to buy talented NRL experienced players when they become available,,,the ones that have been available have gone for bigger money or to go and play with the brotherhood....

He wasn't hog tied, he offered Latrell over a million a year, big money to JAC, Finucan, TPJ and others.
And what talented experience players is he going to buy who want to play for Madge, I suspect none going on his ability to attract these players so far

 

[Snake]

Madge has left himself with a bunch of young "athletes" but not many are real footballers and even fewer with genuine leadership skills..so we are totally rudderless onfield
As for the supposed development ,with the exception of Stefano(who had to be endorsed by Daley in SOO before he became a regular starter in WTs!!!) and Laurie,all these young supposed talents reach a certain level(usually just below NRL standard)and just dont develop any further....so they get dropped rather than developed.Or we perservere without addressing individual issues....
A lot of us are just frustrated in the knowledge that Bellamy cld turn this albeit somewhat modest roster into a top 8 team next year with individual coaching and creating a positive culture rather than an ongoing diet of threats ,expletives and fingerpointing
We need change

Maybe you want results yesterday from the young guys....they need more NRL game time and Madge has slowly given the ones with talent a turn...but its always easy to blame the coach....even if they sack him tommorrow to the cheers of his haters...I commend him for the work he has done with the pathways and giving the young talent a chance without blowing the budget a la Ivan with no finals either...

Grow up.
Nobody"hates"anybody...nobody expects results yesterday.....but Ive just seen us going backwards year after year with absolutely no signs of the short/medium term future being any different for the reasons I articulated.
Like any business,youve just gotta cut yr losses at some stage to move forward

We have cut our losses,Mbye going,Packer going,JR gone...the cap is getting back in shape,the cap was slaughtered by Ivan trying to buy a premiership but absconded halfway through doing his professional job here with us...9th was the best he could do and spent a fortune that left Madge hogtied until next year,to offset that he has developed a miriade of young talented players that will be the core of our future team...
Madge will be able to buy talented NRL experienced players when they become available,,,the ones that have been available have gone for bigger money or to go and play with the brotherhood....

He wasn't hog tied, he offered Latrell over a million a year, big money to JAC, Finucan, TPJ and others.
And what talented experience players is he going to buy who want to play for Madge, I suspect none going on his ability to attract these players so far

That’s the issue these guys were never even interested with paying overs .. so something is seriously wrong . From a players point of view surely the coach has a major bearing on that , to me seems the logical reason.

 

[TrueTiger]

Madge has left himself with a bunch of young "athletes" but not many are real footballers and even fewer with genuine leadership skills..so we are totally rudderless onfield
As for the supposed development ,with the exception of Stefano(who had to be endorsed by Daley in SOO before he became a regular starter in WTs!!!) and Laurie,all these young supposed talents reach a certain level(usually just below NRL standard)and just dont develop any further....so they get dropped rather than developed.Or we perservere without addressing individual issues....
A lot of us are just frustrated in the knowledge that Bellamy cld turn this albeit somewhat modest roster into a top 8 team next year with individual coaching and creating a positive culture rather than an ongoing diet of threats ,expletives and fingerpointing
We need change

Maybe you want results yesterday from the young guys....they need more NRL game time and Madge has slowly given the ones with talent a turn...but its always easy to blame the coach....even if they sack him tommorrow to the cheers of his haters...I commend him for the work he has done with the pathways and giving the young talent a chance without blowing the budget a la Ivan with no finals either...

Grow up.
Nobody"hates"anybody...nobody expects results yesterday.....but Ive just seen us going backwards year after year with absolutely no signs of the short/medium term future being any different for the reasons I articulated.
Like any business,youve just gotta cut yr losses at some stage to move forward

We have cut our losses,Mbye going,Packer going,JR gone...the cap is getting back in shape,the cap was slaughtered by Ivan trying to buy a premiership but absconded halfway through doing his professional job here with us...9th was the best he could do and spent a fortune that left Madge hogtied until next year,to offset that he has developed a miriade of young talented players that will be the core of our future team...
Madge will be able to buy talented NRL experienced players when they become available,,,the ones that have been available have gone for bigger money or to go and play with the brotherhood....

He wasn't hog tied, he offered Latrell over a million a year, big money to JAC, Finucan, TPJ and others.
And what talented experience players is he going to buy who want to play for Madge, I suspect none going on his ability to attract these players so far

As I said 851.most went for more $$ or wanted to play with the brothers....on JAC,he was with us early and didnt like what the club offered him,he left....thats in the past with him and he never really wanted to come back here....you cant pin that on Madge...

He was hogtied at the start of his tenure...big time...

 

[clontarfkid]

A lot of us are just frustrated in the knowledge that Bellamy cld turn this albeit somewhat modest roster into a top 8 team next year with individual coaching and creating a positive culture rather than an ongoing diet of threats ,expletives and fingerpointing

I tend to think that Bellamy enjoys the expletives and fingerpointing just as much (if not more) than Madge.

Yeah..no-one does it better,but think Bellamy has one or two more responses when things arent going well
Starting with fixing the actual problem
Yep,its " breakthrough" I know...!
madge just seems one dimensional in comparison

 

[Snake]

A lot of us are just frustrated in the knowledge that Bellamy cld turn this albeit somewhat modest roster into a top 8 team next year with individual coaching and creating a positive culture rather than an ongoing diet of threats ,expletives and fingerpointing

I tend to think that Bellamy enjoys the expletives and fingerpointing just as much (if not more) than Madge.

Yeah..no-one does it better,but think Bellamy has one or two more responses when things arent going well
Starting with fixing the actual problem
Yep,its " breakthrough" I know...!
madge just seems one dimensional in comparison

I am reading after three seasons this team would not be any better with Bellamy than the Maguire coached side , if Bellamy was coaching this team they would be motivated have structure in D/A and would run through a brick wall for there coach and that is exactly with the talent Maguire has had . Bellamy uses players on a comparable talent level from time to time how do they perform ?
There’s needs to be another comparison I think!

 

[Tiger Woods]

Do it the o’seas style formula way
You give the coach the first 6-8 rounds of the season because it’s a results based business & if the results are poor = next coach please
Don’t forget it’s been 3 years & the poor results are continuing
If we get off to a poor start next year god help him

 

[Guest]

For those of you supporting Madge.
If he retains his job is there a point at which you will draw the line?
4 years of no improvement?
5 Years of no improvement?

At what point does the mythical all encompassing excuse of "the long game" end?

 

[jadtiger]

For those of you supporting Madge.
If he retains his job is there a point at which you will draw the line?
4 years of no improvement?
5 Years of no improvement?

At what point does the mythical all encompassing excuse of "the long game" end?

In my case it is when his contract expires.If improvements are not obvious by then despite his changes to the roster then we get a replacement.Already i can see improvements about how we are doing things
1. Not paying overs for players
2. Creating a system where talented young players have the opportunity to develop into FG for us
3. Emphasis on players with a positive attitude added to the squad unlike players getting overpaid peensions,

It take time but you have to give that time

 

[Guest]

For those of you supporting Madge.
If he retains his job is there a point at which you will draw the line?
4 years of no improvement?
5 Years of no improvement?

At what point does the mythical all encompassing excuse of "the long game" end?


In my case it is when his contract expires.If improvements are not obvious by then despite his changes to the roster then we get a replacement

So that would be 5 years of failure at which time I presume you're happy for the "long game" to start over for another 5 years as that would only be fair to the new coach.
You're a very patient man.

 

[mike]

For those of you supporting Madge.
If he retains his job is there a point at which you will draw the line?
4 years of no improvement?
5 Years of no improvement?

At what point does the mythical all encompassing excuse of "the long game" end?


In my case it is when his contract expires.If improvements are not obvious by then despite his changes to the roster then we get a replacement

Exactly, when his contact expires and not a second before.

 

[Guest]

For those of you supporting Madge.
If he retains his job is there a point at which you will draw the line?
4 years of no improvement?
5 Years of no improvement?

At what point does the mythical all encompassing excuse of "the long game" end?


In my case it is when his contract expires.If improvements are not obvious by then despite his changes to the roster then we get a replacement

So that would be 5 years of failure at which time I presume you're happy for the "long game" to start over for another 5 years as that would only be fair to the new coach.
You're a very patient man.

C'mon Jad.
If you disagree with what I wrote verbalise your reasons, don't just downvote.
That's a little bit childish.

 

[Guest]

For those of you supporting Madge.
If he retains his job is there a point at which you will draw the line?
4 years of no improvement?
5 Years of no improvement?

At what point does the mythical all encompassing excuse of "the long game" end?


In my case it is when his contract expires.If improvements are not obvious by then despite his changes to the roster then we get a replacement

Exactly, when his contact expires and not a second before.

So you're also happy with another 5 year "long game" after that.
Another patient man.

 

[jadtiger]

For those of you supporting Madge.
If he retains his job is there a point at which you will draw the line?
4 years of no improvement?
5 Years of no improvement?

At what point does the mythical all encompassing excuse of "the long game" end?


In my case it is when his contract expires.If improvements are not obvious by then despite his changes to the roster then we get a replacement

So that would be 5 years of failure at which time I presume you're happy for the "long game" to start over for another 5 years as that would only be fair to the new coach.
You're a very patient man.

C'mon Jad.
If you disagree with what I wrote verbalise your reasons, don't just downvote.
That's a little bit childish.

If we get 5 years of failure of course we look for a new coach,now in your opinion what do you define as "5 years of failure"?In my case i would say it would be not making the 2nd round of finals or below 7th in the fifth year.
Dont forget we are coming from a low base and we have no current SOO players

 

[Guest]

For those of you supporting Madge.
If he retains his job is there a point at which you will draw the line?
4 years of no improvement?
5 Years of no improvement?

At what point does the mythical all encompassing excuse of "the long game" end?


In my case it is when his contract expires.If improvements are not obvious by then despite his changes to the roster then we get a replacement

So that would be 5 years of failure at which time I presume you're happy for the "long game" to start over for another 5 years as that would only be fair to the new coach.
You're a very patient man.

C'mon Jad.
If you disagree with what I wrote verbalise your reasons, don't just downvote.
That's a little bit childish.

If we get 5 years of failure of course we look for a new coach,now in your opinion what do you define as "5 years of failure"?In my case i would say it would be not making the 2nd round of finals or below 7th in the fifth year.
Dont forget we are coming from a low base and we have no current SOO players

Making the finals or even measureable noticeable improvements in our play. I'm not greedy.
In your model we can play like busteds next year and you'll be happy enough to wait for year 5 success.
If year 5 success doesn't arrive we then start the 5 years all over again.
Doesn't sound good to me.

 

[TrueTiger]

For those of you supporting Madge.
If he retains his job is there a point at which you will draw the line?
4 years of no improvement?
5 Years of no improvement?

At what point does the mythical all encompassing excuse of "the long game" end?


In my case it is when his contract expires.If improvements are not obvious by then despite his changes to the roster then we get a replacement

So that would be 5 years of failure at which time I presume you're happy for the "long game" to start over for another 5 years as that would only be fair to the new coach.
You're a very patient man.

Lets be fair Dwight...the first 1or 2 years Madge had to sort the roster and change the culture before we even thought of fielding a team that could make the finals...
So in actual fact after sorting the Ivan fiasco and players he purchased to buy a premiership and start on a level where he can field a team.it really has been this year where he debuted a lot of young guys,used what he could with Mbye,JR gone,Packer sidelined,Matts retired and the pathways opening up ...It really will be this next 2 years that should define Madges coaching career with us...Blaming Madge for the incompetence of a previous coach and board decisions shouldnt be placed in his first 2 years of his contract....hence they extended him for 2 years .....

 

[tiger05premier]

For those of you supporting Madge.
If he retains his job is there a point at which you will draw the line?
4 years of no improvement?
5 Years of no improvement?

At what point does the mythical all encompassing excuse of "the long game" end?


In my case it is when his contract expires.If improvements are not obvious by then despite his changes to the roster then we get a replacement.Already i can see improvements about how we are doing things
1. Not paying overs for players
2. Creating a system where talented young players have the opportunity to develop into FG for us
3. Emphasis on players with a positive attitude added to the squad unlike players getting overpaid peensions,

It take time but you have to give that time

Plus we will have the coin to keep the likes of Laurie Blore Stef 2 x Simp etc

Better to throw xtra at them than over payed bludgers that come here for a superannuation top up

 

[clontarfkid]

A lot of us are just frustrated in the knowledge that Bellamy cld turn this albeit somewhat modest roster into a top 8 team next year with individual coaching and creating a positive culture rather than an ongoing diet of threats ,expletives and fingerpointing

I tend to think that Bellamy enjoys the expletives and fingerpointing just as much (if not more) than Madge.

Yeah..no-one does it better,but think Bellamy has one or two more responses when things arent going well
Starting with fixing the actual problem
Yep,its " breakthrough" I know...!
madge just seems one dimensional in comparison


I am reading after three seasons this team would not be any better with Bellamy than the Maguire coached side , if Bellamy was coaching this team they would be motivated have structure in D/A and would run through a brick wall for there coach and that is exactly with the talent Maguire has had . Bellamy uses players on a comparable talent level from time to time how do they perform ?
There’s needs to be another comparison I think!

If Bellamy is too high a benchmark(who wld have totally transformed this team by 2020),,,,then Ill take ANY coach who can create a positive culture of players working for each other and be willing to have problems addressed
Thats about yr average NRL coach tbh...its their job
Morris under Sheens wld work just fine...but not yet another year of mediocre Madge

 

[tigerbalm]

Let Madge have a full season with the start of his own roster. To be honest, there's no one better at the moment and if Madge is punted the next coach will just blame poor player lection and results on the last coach for the next 3 seasons. Rinse / Repeat.
Madge, above anyone else has the most to gain by turning this clown club around.

Create a Punt Pascoe thread. That's a cause I can get behind.

 

[tiger05premier]

For those of you supporting Madge.
If he retains his job is there a point at which you will draw the line?
4 years of no improvement?
5 Years of no improvement?

At what point does the mythical all encompassing excuse of "the long game" end?


In my case it is when his contract expires.If improvements are not obvious by then despite his changes to the roster then we get a replacement

So that would be 5 years of failure at which time I presume you're happy for the "long game" to start over for another 5 years as that would only be fair to the new coach.
You're a very patient man.

Lets be fair Dwight...the first 1or 2 years Madge had to sort the roster and change the culture before we even thought of fielding a team that could make the finals...
So in actual fact after sorting the Ivan fiasco and players he purchased to buy a premiership and start on a level where he can field a team.it really has been this year where he debuted a lot of young guys,used what he could with Mbye,JR gone,Packer sidelined,Matts retired and the pathways opening up ...It really will be this next 2 years that should define Madges coaching career with us...Blaming Madge for the incompetence of a previous coach and board decisions shouldnt be placed in his first 2 years of his contract....hence they extended him for 2 years .....

Exactly

Madge is trying to set us up so we never have to go through this crap again

After 10 years of failure someone had to be man enough to do it the right way no matter the toll on them personally and Madge was the only one with the balls to do it

Very courageous and may cost him his job

Selfless as well

He deserves credit for it and a bit of xtra time to reap the rewards for setting us up for the long term