Mitch Brown
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Joel Helmes
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@Sabre said:
Cant we take from that we will be keeping him?
@helmesy said:
Yeah, but chances are he'll start for BRET…
Humphreys won't be moving Mitch on, but I reckon if Mitch doesn't get a look in he'll move himself on.
I for one am sick to death of Mitch Brown being constantly overlooked! Stupid question here - has he actually done anything wrong by the team? Has he ever cost the game for the team? I don't think he has, and I feel so sorry for the bloke. I hope he stays and attains the full-time FB spot.
clontarfkid
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Sheens choice of Utai on the bench for the Warriors game,& in the centres for previous games,made a couple of things very clear
1)Sheens highly values Utais go-forward,particularly when the forwards are tired.
2)Sheens is well aware of Utais vulnerability under the high ball as a winger,so cant play him there without significant risk in key games
3)Sheens is prepared to tolerate Utais defensive frailities(see what gasnier did to him),which at centre can be covered up more readily
3)Sheens really doesnt rate Brown as anything more than a last-resort backline utility,& he shld ask for a release & not waste another year of his career at WT
1)Sheens highly values Utais go-forward,particularly when the forwards are tired.
2)Sheens is well aware of Utais vulnerability under the high ball as a winger,so cant play him there without significant risk in key games
3)Sheens is prepared to tolerate Utais defensive frailities(see what gasnier did to him),which at centre can be covered up more readily
3)Sheens really doesnt rate Brown as anything more than a last-resort backline utility,& he shld ask for a release & not waste another year of his career at WT
diedpretty
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@Sabre said:
Which when translated from Humphreys speak means if we can get rid of him we will.
GNR4LIFE
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@diedpretty said:
Given the amount of backflips he makes, you couldn't realy rule it out, regardless of what he says
@Chief44 said:
Me too, Chief, and for the life of me I cannot see why Sheens doesn't rate him and why he won't give him the opportunity to cement the fullback position long term. Something must be up here - it's just too weird. Sheens has a history of giving some guys, who make costly errors week after week, so many chances in first grade, but a guy who is good, safe and reliable gets bugger all opportunity! It's gotta be a personality clash or something. Can any of you guys 'in the know' shed some light on the Sheens/Brown relationship and why Mitch isn't being given the chances that others are?
I'm like everyone else in that Mitch Brown is a safe and reliable.
Makes me think that something behind the scenes is affecting his chances. Maybe he has a bad attitude? Maybe he isn't whole hearted at training? Maybe he has upset someone important? Maybe he has other priorities that interfere with the team? Maybe he has already expressed and interest to move somewhere else?
There must be something going on.
Makes me think that something behind the scenes is affecting his chances. Maybe he has a bad attitude? Maybe he isn't whole hearted at training? Maybe he has upset someone important? Maybe he has other priorities that interfere with the team? Maybe he has already expressed and interest to move somewhere else?
There must be something going on.
tigerbenji
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Brown @ fullback as he is very safe & has some pace, & if Moltzen stays he goes to half & we can bring Miller along next year & not rush him.
Chadman_s_Ghost
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Without trying to put too fine a point on it- in today's game you need your half, 5/8, hooker & fullback to be the 'playmakers' on the field- all the good teams have key players along the 'spine'.
In fact, I believe it was Tim Sheens who really started making the point of it- your 1, 6, 7 & 9 touch the ball more than any other player, so they have to be the best with the ball in their hands.
As safe & reliable as Mitch Brown is- at no point in his career have we marvelled at his silky ball skills, his creative flair, his ability to put players through gaps or his ability to spark a quick counter-attack.
He's 'safe'.
Safe fullbacks, safe halfbacks, 5/8's & hookers play for not great teams. Remember when we had ourselves a 'safe' halfback in John Morris? not a bad player- safe even- but he stifled the attack because of the exact same things Mitch Brown brings to the table.
Given the current squad, the best fullback option is Chris Lawrence- you WANT him to have the ball in his hands as he can spark a quick counter attack- he is dangerous with the ball in his hands.
Mitch Brown is not. And while the argument has been (by some) that he hasn't been given a chance- I disagree- Brown has played a significant amount of 1st grade & shown what he is…you guessed it- safe. At no point has he looked a playmaker.
If you want him on the wing- I'm with you. Want him in the centres? Sign me up. Want him in a significant on field ballplaying role? Get me someone else.
Not a knock on Brown. I mean, we don't ask Galloway to do tactical kicking do we? It's not Heighington's job to be creative out of dummy half.
Horses for courses & what-not.
In fact, I believe it was Tim Sheens who really started making the point of it- your 1, 6, 7 & 9 touch the ball more than any other player, so they have to be the best with the ball in their hands.
As safe & reliable as Mitch Brown is- at no point in his career have we marvelled at his silky ball skills, his creative flair, his ability to put players through gaps or his ability to spark a quick counter-attack.
He's 'safe'.
Safe fullbacks, safe halfbacks, 5/8's & hookers play for not great teams. Remember when we had ourselves a 'safe' halfback in John Morris? not a bad player- safe even- but he stifled the attack because of the exact same things Mitch Brown brings to the table.
Given the current squad, the best fullback option is Chris Lawrence- you WANT him to have the ball in his hands as he can spark a quick counter attack- he is dangerous with the ball in his hands.
Mitch Brown is not. And while the argument has been (by some) that he hasn't been given a chance- I disagree- Brown has played a significant amount of 1st grade & shown what he is…you guessed it- safe. At no point has he looked a playmaker.
If you want him on the wing- I'm with you. Want him in the centres? Sign me up. Want him in a significant on field ballplaying role? Get me someone else.
Not a knock on Brown. I mean, we don't ask Galloway to do tactical kicking do we? It's not Heighington's job to be creative out of dummy half.
Horses for courses & what-not.
GNR4LIFE
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@tigerbenji said:
even if he does stick around he won't be in the halves
1_4_chicken_chips
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@everett said:
Brown at fullback is never going to happen .Sheens had ample times he could have used him in the number 1 , that tells me he isnt in our present or future plans , so if he wants move on ,let him.
I also thought he struggled with his pace to keep up with the play on many occasions.
@Chadman's Ghost said:
Most reasonable post on here. I do feel though that a safe fullback who will take bombs under pressure, position themselves well to take a long kick, knows where to stand in defense is just as important as a ballplaying fullback. But, everyone has their opinions and are rightly entitled to them.
My reckoning was that Brown was to be Tuqiri's original successor, but with Utai bought on the cheap in 2011 and Grant being signed on as a speculator in 2012 he may be in some real trouble if Grant is a success or Sheens chooses to retain Utai on a top 25 contract after Tuqiri finishes up.
gold_on_black
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@Cultured Bogan said:
First reasonable post
nice insight ghosty…i agree brown is a centre a winger and if he puts on the kgs a 2nd rower
what brown is not is a FB
there are approximately 20-25 fbs in the league who are better players then brown
every team in the comp has a better FB then brown and every teams reserve FB is better 2
thats not meaning to offend brown it is just that Fb is not his position.
brown should start playing to his strengths and unfortunately attck and flair is not on the radar for brown.
i would love nothing more then the bloke to have a gun off season and become an attacking genius but that is unlikely to happen
