Mitchell Moses released [Official]
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jirskyr
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I seriously reckon you have no idea.
It's the club's fault that Moses didn't end up having the ability to perform his role? You think having him dumped to reserves at some stage recently would have made everything different? Moses already played ISP before joining the FG squad, 6 months or so, they didn't promote him directly from NYC, slower development than Brooks even.
Why is Brooks not falling apart mentally, why did he sort out his contract and concentrate on footy? He was thrust into firsts before Mitch was.
And based on Moses' reaction to being prioritised third amongst our top players, how do you think he would have reacted to being dumped to reggies anyway? And when dump him to reggies? He was in career-best form end of last year, 2015 was his first full year - you would have dumped him in 2015? Talk about confidence building, put a kid into firsts for 6 months then park him in reggies for his own development.
Nobody wants to run two rookie footballers in the halves but the reality is experienced, reliable halfbacks don't grow on trees.
The year Johnathon Thurston debuted for Cowboys 2005, he'd played 29 games for Bulldogs in 3 seasons, 12 of those off the bench. He switched clubs at age 21 and his first halves partner was Chris Sheppard. Who? Exactly. That lasted 3 rounds, they then pulled in David Myles for 3 rounds, then he had Justin Smith for a while, who let's be honest was a backrower. Aaron Payne moved in for Rounds 18-19, before they bought and started Brett Firman Rd 20\. Firman at this time had played 25 games in 3 seasons at Saints and Roosters. Team made the Grand Final, I would say in spite of Brett Firman.
Moses was 20 in that first full year 2015, he turned 21 in September. He's not Thurston but the point is if you are good enough you will do the job, age is just an excuse to show that you aren't mature enough.
tsjonathan
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Yup, he was playing very well in ISP. He and Korobiete were killing it. They won like 5-6 in a row. I was perplexed as to why Koro wasn't promoted to first grade when first grade was struggling.
Ash Taylor and Kane Elgey seem to be doing OK at the Tit's..
I sorta agree with it's always someone else's fault generation tho..
I sorta agree with it's always someone else's fault generation tho..
avocadoontoast
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Wests Tigers five-eighth Mitchell Moses has let fans down by jumping ship to Parramatta
By Phil Gould
2 hours ago
Wests Tigers five-eighth Mitchell Moses has let the fans down after jumping ship to Parramatta mid-season. (AAP)
However, there is light at the end of the tunnel.
I am looking at the recruitment announcements over recent weeks since new coach Ivan Cleary was appointed at the club. I can see a new team building already.
Before I get to that though, just a quick comment on the transfer of 5/8 Mitchell Moses to the Parramatta Eels this week.
This is a disappointing result for all concerned. I don’t buy into the notion that Mitchell should be so distracted by his contract situation that he could not perform for his current employers. There have been plenty of examples over the years where players have signed with rival clubs, sometimes 12 months or more before their current contract expires, yet they have been able to continue playing and giving 100% effort to their current club.
I see absolutely no reason, why Mitchell Moses, as a professional sportsperson, should not have been expected, and willing, to fulfil his duties under the current contract for season 2017.
I feel most sorry for the fans who looked forward to this year with great anticipation. The club plans its season, especially around sponsorship, membership, and marketing, very reliant on the playing roster they have available to them for the 12-month period. There are many of Mitchell Moses’ teammates whose own personal careers and performances would have relied heavily on playing with a player of Mitchell’s talent. All this has now been thrown into disarray because Mitchell wants to head off and start his new contract with another club as soon as possible.
If that’s his attitude, then quite frankly the team, and the club, is better off without the distraction.
On to the future.
New coach Ivan Cleary has been very busy in the marketplace. Already the club has secured the services of experienced, representative-class players like Josh Reynolds, Ben Matulino, Russell Packer and Chris McQueen. My mail is that there will be more announcements this week on another two signings from rival clubs.
In some respects, it looks like Cleary is “putting the band back together” with his recruitment of Matulino and Packer. These two big boys were a major part of Cleary’s 2011 Grand Final team at the New Zealand Warriors. They now join former Warriors’ teammate Elijah Taylor at the West Tigers. I suggest it may not be the last player the Tigers recruit from across the Tasman.
I really like the signing of Josh Reynolds. He will be so good for the Tigers. His experience and competitive nature will complement young half-back Luke Brooks perfectly. His enthusiasm, spirit and courage are infectious. He will have a positive influence on his new teammates. This guy is a real winner.
I have always been a fan of Chris McQueen. He is a very tough player. He plays with great passion. As a former winger, he provides great mobility playing in the forward pack. He has given great service to both South Sydney and the Gold Coast Titans. I think this is a tremendous acquisition.
The hardest player to replace will be fullback James Tedesco. There is no player quite like him anywhere in the NRL. Proven fullbacks are also very expensive. I’m not sure how much room the Tigers have left in their salary cap after their recent buying spree, but it would seem more likely they will need to search for a youngster who is on the way up, and patiently develop him in this key position.
The Tigers currently have two outstanding young outside backs in the shape of David Nofoaluma and Moses Suli. These kids are tremendous athletes. I love watching them play.
Wests Tigers rookie Moses Suli has emerged as a genuine talent at the club this season. (AAP)
All in all, I can see a really competitive team building here. Despite the pain the fans have had to endure in recent times, I have no doubt there will be better days ahead.
One also hopes that the Wests Tigers club has learned a real lesson from the events of the last 18 months. Their aim should be that the club should never have to go through this pain again.
In the meantime, let’s hope the boys rally together and put some good football on the field for the remainder of the 2017 season. The fans deserve it. They need to cheer for someone.
Read more at http://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/05/17/10/45/moses-has-let-tigers-fans-down/?ocid=wwostw#gFu7tQISx15r7Woe.99
By Phil Gould
2 hours ago
Wests Tigers five-eighth Mitchell Moses has let the fans down after jumping ship to Parramatta mid-season. (AAP)
However, there is light at the end of the tunnel.
I am looking at the recruitment announcements over recent weeks since new coach Ivan Cleary was appointed at the club. I can see a new team building already.
Before I get to that though, just a quick comment on the transfer of 5/8 Mitchell Moses to the Parramatta Eels this week.
This is a disappointing result for all concerned. I don’t buy into the notion that Mitchell should be so distracted by his contract situation that he could not perform for his current employers. There have been plenty of examples over the years where players have signed with rival clubs, sometimes 12 months or more before their current contract expires, yet they have been able to continue playing and giving 100% effort to their current club.
I see absolutely no reason, why Mitchell Moses, as a professional sportsperson, should not have been expected, and willing, to fulfil his duties under the current contract for season 2017.
I feel most sorry for the fans who looked forward to this year with great anticipation. The club plans its season, especially around sponsorship, membership, and marketing, very reliant on the playing roster they have available to them for the 12-month period. There are many of Mitchell Moses’ teammates whose own personal careers and performances would have relied heavily on playing with a player of Mitchell’s talent. All this has now been thrown into disarray because Mitchell wants to head off and start his new contract with another club as soon as possible.
If that’s his attitude, then quite frankly the team, and the club, is better off without the distraction.
On to the future.
New coach Ivan Cleary has been very busy in the marketplace. Already the club has secured the services of experienced, representative-class players like Josh Reynolds, Ben Matulino, Russell Packer and Chris McQueen. My mail is that there will be more announcements this week on another two signings from rival clubs.
In some respects, it looks like Cleary is “putting the band back together” with his recruitment of Matulino and Packer. These two big boys were a major part of Cleary’s 2011 Grand Final team at the New Zealand Warriors. They now join former Warriors’ teammate Elijah Taylor at the West Tigers. I suggest it may not be the last player the Tigers recruit from across the Tasman.
I really like the signing of Josh Reynolds. He will be so good for the Tigers. His experience and competitive nature will complement young half-back Luke Brooks perfectly. His enthusiasm, spirit and courage are infectious. He will have a positive influence on his new teammates. This guy is a real winner.
I have always been a fan of Chris McQueen. He is a very tough player. He plays with great passion. As a former winger, he provides great mobility playing in the forward pack. He has given great service to both South Sydney and the Gold Coast Titans. I think this is a tremendous acquisition.
The hardest player to replace will be fullback James Tedesco. There is no player quite like him anywhere in the NRL. Proven fullbacks are also very expensive. I’m not sure how much room the Tigers have left in their salary cap after their recent buying spree, but it would seem more likely they will need to search for a youngster who is on the way up, and patiently develop him in this key position.
The Tigers currently have two outstanding young outside backs in the shape of David Nofoaluma and Moses Suli. These kids are tremendous athletes. I love watching them play.
Wests Tigers rookie Moses Suli has emerged as a genuine talent at the club this season. (AAP)
All in all, I can see a really competitive team building here. Despite the pain the fans have had to endure in recent times, I have no doubt there will be better days ahead.
One also hopes that the Wests Tigers club has learned a real lesson from the events of the last 18 months. Their aim should be that the club should never have to go through this pain again.
In the meantime, let’s hope the boys rally together and put some good football on the field for the remainder of the 2017 season. The fans deserve it. They need to cheer for someone.
Read more at http://wwos.nine.com.au/2017/05/17/10/45/moses-has-let-tigers-fans-down/?ocid=wwostw#gFu7tQISx15r7Woe.99
mightymagpie
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Love him or hate him Gus has hit the nail on the head with this article.
I wonder if there is a Penrith player in his mail of 2 announcements this week. CHN anyone?
king_sirro
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Gould always writes favourable articles for us.
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I think Gus is a closet Tigers fan.
But I agree, I cannot believe a professional sportsman has carried on the way he has, he has does himself no favours at all. It would have to be in the back of B.Arthurs mind how this fellow has conducted himself over the past month.
I keep thinking back to that Parra game when we were 12 up with a penalty in front, and Moses took the tap. Very fishy
Good article by Gus
Andyvee
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I don't know which game I am more excited to see this weekend, West-Broncos or Parra-Canb?
Would love to see Parra and Moses get absolutely pummelled!
Would love to see Parra and Moses get absolutely pummelled!
goldcoast_tiger
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Moses being compared to Thurston :roll
it was obvious that he wasn't ready for first grade when he came up , and needed to go back again until he was., if that was going to unsettle the little princess, then it would have shown up his attitude earlier and probably saved some wasted and time.
My point is that , as you said, ifyou are good enough you will do the job.
He wasn't good enough, by a long shot
And as you mentioned the end of the year, his
Last few games of the year were worst than ordinary, topped off with the worst game that he played year , in the last round.
I agree that halves are hard to come by, but that doesnt mean that the club should've shoved then in just because they had no one else
Again it was plain that they weren't handling it right from the start , but the club just crossed their fingers and hoped
Both halves never learned to be accountable for their many bad games which , certainly didn't help Moses to control his opinion of himself.
They failed to recognise that theyneeded specialist coaching Which may have helped a lot.
If the precious little boy, couldn't handle being dropped for his bad form , he he doesn't deserve to be here in the first place
In answer to why didn't Brooks fall apart, probably because he's not Moses
He probably recognised ( correctly )that what he was offered was very good money which compared more than adequately to his level of performance.
Brooks has always been hesitant to pump himself at every opportunity( unlike Moses)
And would seem to be someone who wants to be coached.
Unlike the walking ego that now is a Parra problem
I think he will find that being coached by a real Coach (unlike Taylor, )won't be all his way
There'll be consequences.
tsjonathan
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gus+ Voss= Legends. Really are.
jirskyr
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Please re-read everything you just said and have a think to yourself what you are saying.
Totally agree Moses has been a princess about this all. Totally agree he has an ego problem, can't handle being relegated in priority, doesn't deserve to be here. Sounds a lot like Moses is the real issue here, not how the Tigers managed him. Sounds like it's not really possible for the club to give him the head-check he needs.
Certainly, if he was dropped after he was promoted in 2015, maybe none of this happens. Waste of money, I mean he was already into his current contract at that time and the club decided he was the long-term option, but maybe we just write that contract off and add his salary to the Farah's and Sironen's being paid elsewhere until end of 2016/7.
As to the people who have rocks in their heads, allowing two rookies to control an NRL team…hmm.. Michael Potter, Jason Taylor, Ivan Cleary... hmm do you see a pattern here? Do you see a pattern of well-regarded ex-players and coaches putting their faith in Broses as a viable option?
Oh wait sorry, I forgot your personal opinion trumps all that.
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C'mmon Geo keep up, I turned weeks ago. How could you not.
He is one of my greatest football disappointments and there have been many over 67 years of watching and playing. Does not matter how good he becomes (if indeed that ever happens) he will always be a player that gave no respect to his club, his fellow players and the fans who supported him.
I am so glad he is not wearing the jumper of the Mighty Wests Tigers anymore.
https://twitter.com/NBWT__/status/864700175213666305
Snippet on Triple M regarding Moses departure:
Wests Tigers coach Ivan Cleary says Mitchell Moses' demeanour and disinterested efforts over the last fortnight prompted him to release the talented playmaker.
Moses will line up for Parramatta against Canberra on Saturday after receiving an immediate release from his NRL contract with the Tigers.
Moses initially requested a release a month ago and Cleary said he finally agreed to the 22-year-old's request after it became clear it was the best thing for the team.
https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/nrl/news/mitchell-moses-had-to-go-says-ivan-cleary
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I get what Ivan is saying but basically it reinforces that if you don't want to be at a club anymore you just don't put in and you'll get your release.
I still think he really should have been stood down for the year, and cited his letter concerning his mental welfare.
Wests Tigers coach Ivan Cleary says Mitchell Moses' demeanour and disinterested efforts over the last fortnight prompted him to release the talented playmaker.
Moses will line up for Parramatta against Canberra on Saturday after receiving an immediate release from his NRL contract with the Tigers.
Moses initially requested a release a month ago and Cleary said he finally agreed to the 22-year-old's request after it became clear it was the best thing for the team.
https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/nrl/news/mitchell-moses-had-to-go-says-ivan-cleary
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I get what Ivan is saying but basically it reinforces that if you don't want to be at a club anymore you just don't put in and you'll get your release.
I still think he really should have been stood down for the year, and cited his letter concerning his mental welfare.
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