Molten

[happy_tiger]

Again the game has changed a lot since I gave it away , but as a fullback if you were the closest to the bomb it was yours and you let every bugger in the stadium know this .The same as a wicketkeeper in cricket

I can't believe Moltzen has gone back to his old ways Is he carrying an injury and didn't Sheens give him a blast last season telling him to improve or else

Probably besides Hybrid and Willow I was one of his biggest "haters " last season and I actually fessed up and said that I would swallow my words as he was looking like a real good prospect in the No 1 jersey

Could the Tim Moltzen from Round 18 onwards return please if not see you later Tim

 

[Saturnalia]

Professional sports clubs are enclosed ecosystems.

It baffles me that things like "Natural Selection" don't seem to occur at the Tigers.

For anyone here whose ever managed/led a team in a company will know what I'm talking about.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

The thing is, he took the first bomb fine iirc.
That shouldve boosted his confidence.

I see your point ink but in my opinion his mental fragility makes him a unpredictable. Really is a case of rocks and diamonds at the moment. The whole half back to full back thing would not do a player like Moltzen any good at all.

I am leaning to giving him another shot at fullback. Let him get some self confidence from others (coach, senior players) showing some confidence in him. If we move/drop him now, it could have the opposite of the intended outcome.

I think it is really a case in seeing how effective a man manager TIm Sheens is. If I were him, I'd probably do the exact opposite of what is generally expected. I'd look to get him more involved in the play by building some set pieces around him or encourage him to inject himself into the backline next week. Build on his strengths in the hope they have positive impact on his weaknesses.

I am over this "mental fragility", "lack of confidence", "timid after his hit from Crocker", "man management required by Sheens" fluff. You do realise that we are talking about a NRL first grade player on good coin?

The truth is he DOES look scared (not timid). He has done for a couple of years. I have given him some slack as many else have here because we keep hearing that he has something "special". Can someone fair dinkum tell me what this specialty is? He has had years now to show what he can do and he has shown nothing. Guess what, the emperor is wearing no clothes. This year was the obvious and perfect opportunity for him to stand up. After the St George drama, which lets be honest was embarrassing, more than a full year after his knee op, a crack in his supposed position and he has done what?

He is fast and can run a line that has been given to him and through a hole by Benji. Other than that? Defence? Passing game? kicking Game? Under the high ball?

I felt sorry for him at one stage last night as he just looks out of his depth and should have been put out of his misery, but then I noticed sonething I have noticed a few times this year. On more than one occassion, he is shouting at his team mates, eiterh boring it up them or trying to rev them up. When the team is constantly struggling due to his errors I think he should just shut up and roll his sleeves up but it doesnt happen. I could imagine his team mates getting sick of him to be honest as they are doing a lot of hard work due to his errors, not to mention getting behind on the score board and ultimately losing. At one stage last night I saw Beau Ryan turn to give it to him and he seemed to bite his lip and keep it in.

Hard thing to say, but he is a myth and really cant be persisted with. Possibly he does have the talent that so many espouse about him, but he lacks ticker and hard work and seems to have an inflated opinion of himself. I would rather someone else having a crack.

BRAVO.

Could not agree more.

The next time someone dares to mention the word "talent" when talking about Moltzen, they should be handed a copy of this post.

 

[Anthism]

Waiting for next week when Penrith put up bombs every kick and Moltzen nails them.
Look at something here - both bombs that were left to bounce were both at communications fault. Not as a lack of communcation, just decision making. Moltzen happened to be involved with both so you wonder who they'll pin it on. Truth is we have no problem catching bombs. Tuquri nailed one, Beau has a reputation for nailing catches and I'm pretty sure the ones Moltzen attempted he got 100%. Pretty easy to point at Moltzen and say its his fault but in all honesty it's a problem easily fixed regardless of whose fault it is.
Moltzen is fine stop giving him a bad wrap. He has potential to kick well and has a good line break. People saying you have never rated him look at this - this is his 4th year of FG, he pretty much always has some part in a break with Marshall in support play or assist. He is young and like any other player has room for improvement. Give the kid some confidence. I mean he was picked as a "Blues in waiting" and people at The dragons saw him as a replacement for Boyd…. An international. Its unfair to call him bad based on a few bad patches here and there this season. He really isn't as bad as people on this forum suggest. Look at what he brings and how easy it is to fix what you're all calling catastrophic. He was firing really well against Souths before the incident.
Stop blowing things out of proportion and have a think before you jump to conclusions
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[hellman]

He really isn't as bad as people on this forum suggest. Look at what he brings and how easy it is to fix what you're all calling catastrophic. He was firing really well against Souths before the incident.
Stop blowing things out of proportion and have a think before you jump to conclusions

This is the truth but this forum seems to prefer over the top dramatics.

I think Moltzen is probably our best option with regards to line breaks. He runs a great line and has the pace to make a bust. He has to be in the team somewhere - I get why Sheens is putting him a fullback. The idea is you put your best runner of the footy there and he gets the most opportunities.

Personally I don't think he is a great fullback and he should have been left in the halves but he will come good.

 

[innsaneink]

Really mate, catching a footy or cricket ball is one of THE BASICS…kids are taught from 10 years of age to call for the ball
"Mine!!!"
The fact it occured twice after the first led directly to a try....shouldnt a pro learn from their first mistake?
Why didnt the fullback and his wingers talk about it ingoal after the first one?
They couldnt have if the same error occured again.....and again.
Are they talking?
Moltzen is often seen screaming at other players when they err.
And people wonder if & why there may be personality clashes in camp.

 

[cunno]

I am not confident, for the team, with him at fullback, move him back to half or the bench. Sheens likes to play a back on the bench.

 

[Glennb]

Waiting for next week when Penrith put up bombs every kick and Moltzen nails them.
Look at something here - both bombs that were left to bounce were both at communications fault. Not as a lack of communcation, just decision making. Moltzen happened to be involved with both so you wonder who they'll pin it on.

Ummm…the fullback! Thats his job.

Truth is we have no problem catching bombs. Tuquri nailed one, Beau has a reputation for nailing catches and I'm pretty sure the ones Moltzen attempted he got 100%. Pretty easy to point at Moltzen and say its his fault but in all honesty it's a problem easily fixed regardless of whose fault it is.

Moltzen had two cracks at bombs after leaving two (one resulted in a try in a game we lost by 4), the first he caught, then dropped it when the bad guys got him, the second HE DROPPED but we were lucky in that the ref said it came of the Broncos. It is easy to point at Moltzen because HE WAS THE FULL BACK. Thats his job.

Moltzen is fine stop giving him a bad wrap. He has **potential** to kick well and has a good line break. People saying you have never rated him look at this - this is his 4th year of FG,]

Ok, so what you are saying is that after 4 YEARS in first grade, we are talking about the _potential_ of a good kicking game? He has been in first grade for 4 years, if he had it, we would have seen it. its not there.

Its unfair to call him bad based on a few bad patches here and there this season.

This is the point. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, you dont have many posts here and maybe you werent here the last few years, but this forum has been ful of these exact same discussions about Moltzen for a couple of years and there has always been an excuse or a reason and the rider to just wait for this potential to blossom. Guess what? Its not going to. This year was his perfect opportunity and it hasnt happened and wont.

He really isn't as bad as people on this forum suggest. Look at what he brings and how easy it is to fix what you're all calling catastrophic.

Ok….I'll bite.....what does he bring? (I'm deadly serious, I'd like an answer)

 

[tomcat]

Why does Sheens keep selecting him ? Why ? Sheens is the Australian coach What does he see in Moltzen that we don;t…....????

 

[1_4_chicken_chips]

Waiting for next week when Penrith put up bombs every kick and Moltzen nails them.
Look at something here - both bombs that were left to bounce were both at communications fault. Not as a lack of communcation, just decision making. Moltzen happened to be involved with both so you wonder who they'll pin it on. Truth is we have no problem catching bombs. Tuquri nailed one, Beau has a reputation for nailing catches and I'm pretty sure the ones Moltzen attempted he got 100%. Pretty easy to point at Moltzen and say its his fault but in all honesty it's a problem easily fixed regardless of whose fault it is.
Moltzen is fine stop giving him a bad wrap. He has potential to kick well and has a good line break. People saying you have never rated him look at this - this is his 4th year of FG, he pretty much always has some part in a break with Marshall in support play or assist. He is young and like any other player has room for improvement. Give the kid some confidence. I mean he was picked as a "Blues in waiting" and people at The dragons saw him as a replacement for Boyd…. An international. Its unfair to call him bad based on a few bad patches here and there this season. He really isn't as bad as people on this forum suggest. Look at what he brings and how easy it is to fix what you're all calling catastrophic. He was firing really well against Souths before the incident.
Stop blowing things out of proportion and have a think before you jump to conclusions
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Blues in waiting ,omg i just choke on my crunchy nut flakes.You couls only be related in some way to back him like you have .The balls in Sheens court if he continues to select him in firstgrade .

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Who knows, what did Sheens see in John Morris that we didn't (for three years).

Sheens knows more than all of us put together but it does not mean every decision he makes is right, does it?

Not contesting bombs is nothing new with Moltzen. How many times did we see it last year? Or do people only remember his five or six good games at the end of the year?

I'm sick of people saying Moltzen has "talent. What talent does he have have?

He runs off Benji Marshall, what else does he bring to the team?

He rarely supports any other players. He hardly ever kicks in general play. He is terrible under the high ball. He only ever passes before the line in attack. He won't contest bombs.

Where is the talent that everybody else is seeing? Explain it to me.

 

[1974semifinal]

Really mate, catching a footy or cricket ball is one of THE BASICS…kids are taught from 10 years of age to call for the ball
"Mine!!!"
The fact it occured twice after the first led directly to a try....shouldnt a pro learn from their first mistake?
Why didnt the fullback and his wingers talk about it ingoal after the first one?
They couldnt have if the same error occured again.....and again.
Are they talking?
Moltzen is often seen screaming at other players when they err.
And people wonder if & why there may be personality clashes in camp.

Last week Isaac Luke scored a try from dummy half…did anyone learn from that ..no .2 tries from dummy half..This man is well known for doing this .Who is in charge on the field ?

 

[tigers05]

Moltzen should be banished to NSW Cup build his confidence and fight his way back or perish….. It is time Sheens holds players accountable........and if he cant do that then its time for the board to hold him accountable......You cannot have performances accepted and tolerated....in Moltzens case deliver the goods or be dropped its simple to most but......he will be there next week.......

ITS TIME TO DELIVER!!!

 

[Anthism]

He is a great attacking player. Apparently he has a long kick that we aren't utilizing (potential is from the Souths game) he played amazingly at the start of that game Up until the incident. give him a second to catch his breath, he was in doubt for Friday and probably pressured to get back as many are.
He ate more meters than any other player vs broncos by a long shot iirc. And no I have no relation I just think its harsh to put someone down like this just because if he screws up its in the spotlight. Especially amongst a team which is its own worst enemy in terms of errors. And no just because he is fullback doesn't mean he takes every ball. No player attempted to grab the ball in both those incidents which means neither called mine. Easy fix….
I mean I can see the faults in the games of many for Friday nights effort but to suggest Moltzen is talentless suggests your credibility is horrible no matter how long you've been posting on this forum.
I'm pretty sure most players in this team get most of their runs off Marshall. What is your point? Moltzen has a good line. That's value right there to me. Player synergy is an amazing factor in this game. Are there any other players who SPECIFICALLY work well together as a pair other than Lote/Lawrence in 2010 as finishers?
You raise the point does he support anyone else in attack? Well... Has anyone so far this season?? Support play is good no matter what degree don't take it for granted.
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[Anthism]

And people wonder if & why there may be personality clashes in camp.

It's all speculation by the press. I don't see anything of that nature during the game. Robbie and Benji always say they're a tight group and I trust the players more than the press any day of the week in regards to that
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[bbobb]

I'm sick of people saying Moltzen has "talent. What talent does he have have?

He runs off Benji Marshall, what else does he bring to the team?

He rarely supports any other players. He hardly ever kicks in general play. He is terrible under the high ball. He only ever passes before the line in attack. He won't contest bombs.

Where is the talent that everybody else is seeing? Explain it to me.

Now I am not really a Tim Moltzen fan for the most of the reasons you are saying. But to say that he does not have talent is a bit over the top.To run a good line of Benji and time it takes talent. If I were fullback, I'd make sure I was trailing Benj. He is our most potent weapon and will create opportunities.

When he injects himself he can set his outside men up although he does like to trust his own speed and take the line on himself -I've no problem with that as long it works and point scoring opportunites are not butchered. It's good to see himbacking himself.

Defensively, I don't cringe when players run at him. He is no Gareth granted but he does make tackles when it counts.

Agreed that he does have issues under the high ball and was very tentative last year when returning the ball.

I don't agree with the notion that first grade footballers are robots. They're are human and have the same issues that we all see in our own respective work places. E.g. some really top perfromers get into a funk (for whatever reason) and it takes management to get them out of it or some people need to be managed in a different way to thers to get the most out them.

Ironically, my comments should be taken with the notion that Tim is part of the current squad and we need to get the most out of him. I'd say he is on fair coin and to have that in reserve grade does not make great sense. Whether we renew his contract is a total other story.

BTW I think he really wants to play 5/8 - but there is a once in a generation player called Benji in front of him. He needs to get over that.

 

[innsaneink]

And people wonder if & why there may be personality clashes in camp.

It's all speculation by the press. I don't see anything of that nature during the game. Robbie and Benji always say they're a tight group and I trust the players more than the press any day of the week in regards to that
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Im relating what Ive seen with my own two eyes at games.
Not relying on media.
I wouldnt appreciate a team mate getting up me for errors when he himself commits plenty.
Thats my point.

 

[happy_tiger]

And people wonder if & why there may be personality clashes in camp.

It's all speculation by the press. I don't see anything of that nature during the game. Robbie and Benji always say they're a tight group and I trust the players more than the press any day of the week in regards to that
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Im relating what Ive seen with my own two eyes at games.
Not relying on media.
I wouldnt appreciate a team mate getting up me for errors when he himself commits plenty.
Thats my point.

Fullbacks as well as play makers are likely to commit the most errors ,and it is the fullbacks job to get people in the right position defensively but as you say Ink I would be more likely to cop a mouthful from Brett Hodgson than I would from Moltzen . I think it has to do with respect IMO he hasn't earned it yet

 

[Irvine]

Just like a hooker is dummy a Fullback takes bombs we know that. A fullback that can't take a bomb is a serve liability. Moltzen has played 70 games of NRL and he well and truly knows its his ball his just too scared.
Tedesco didn't need any communication lessons, a good fullback knows its his ball and more importantly the team is confident that he will take the ball.

I doubt he would be a person guys like Miller and Humble would like to spend too much time with, doesn't strike me as a guy who would help the young guys. Benji being a fan of Moltzen doesn't help anyone including Moltzen.

 

[innsaneink]

And people wonder if & why there may be personality clashes in camp.

It's all speculation by the press. I don't see anything of that nature during the game. Robbie and Benji always say they're a tight group and I trust the players more than the press any day of the week in regards to that
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Im relating what Ive seen with my own two eyes at games.
Not relying on media.
I wouldnt appreciate a team mate getting up me for errors when he himself commits plenty.
Thats my point.

Fullbacks as well as play makers are likely to commit the most errors ,and it is the fullbacks job to get people in the right position defensively but as you say Ink I would be more likely to cop a mouthful from Brett Hodgson than I would from Moltzen . I think it has to do with respect IMO he hasn't earned it yet

yeh spot on happy