Moltzen and Groat

[Cultured_Bogan]

Forward pack next week (I'm assuming Farah will cop a suspension.)

8\. Woods
9\. Fulton
10\. Bell
11\. Blair
12\. Ellis
13\. Heighington

14\. Groat
15\. Moors
16\. BMM

 

[Fumbles]

Groat is anything but a future star and Moltzen is lost at halfback.
Humble did nothing Moltzen to fullback and Miller to half not Now in 5 weeks when it is too late.

 

[tiger91]

I'll admit Groat didn't have a great first half, but he improved in the second stanza. I wish I could say the same for Moltzen. He really should have stood up tonight, or at the very least tried.

I was at the game at from what I saw Moltzen is just a link man. When Marshall and Farah are too far apart, Moltzen's role is just to catch and pass. I could tolerate that from a fullback, but when your halfback has no vision in attack, no kicking game and no direction on the fielld, then he has no place in the side.

It was a very hostile crowd for the record, and an early fumble from Moltzen would have been tolerated, but when it's every second touch of the ball, you can't blame it on anything other than himself.

I hate to say it but I think it's time we let Miller show us why he should be our first choice halfback. He wants it so it's time for him to put his money where his mouth is and show Moltzen how it's done.
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[hellman]

Tigers are essentially playing without a halfback and fullback at the moment.

Yep. The problem is that unless we get our forwards going forward this is a minor issue.

 

[dermo]

I think forumers should not come to expect big things early in the season, we are clearly a team who doesn't peak early and are more prone to peak later in the season. I'm still optimistic, we are premiership favourites for a reason.

As for you people who claim Moltzen isn't a halfback, you should take a good look at yourselves. Up until last week, we had never lost a game with Moltzen at halfback. No coincidence either, the guy has a good passing game, running game and has terrific vision and can defend (unlike Lui), important assets in being a quality half. The role he's playing at the moment does not come naturally to him and I can't understand why Sheens has instructed him to play this role.

X2 about moltzen. Lui was the human turnstyle, so lets give moltz more time to settle in properly, was only a few years ago he killed it with benji.
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The only thing Moltzen has ever killed has been overlaps. Can you ever remember him doing anything at halback thats worth remembering?

Moltzen has done quite a bit to remember at halfback actually, perhaps his defence that is infinite times better than Robert Lui's, or perhaps doing his job which is give early ball to the best attacking player in the world, ask yourself this, if you were playing next to the best attacking player in the world, would you be the one trying to create things? or would you give it to ol mate marshall outside you to do the work? quite frankly i think one thing Benji could learn from Moltzen would be to give HIS outside man in Lawerence (the best centre in the world) early ball so he atleast has time to try and set up his winger or beat the man marking him. Maybe you've noticed that the few times Lawerence has set up his winger hes had to catch and pass with the defence in his face or actually in the process of takleing him and it is only his skill that enables him to pull it off, but most of the time he doesnt and
Ashyford certainly cant.

Im sick of seeing Tim Moltzen put up as a scape goat for our poor attacking performances when he his simply doing the job the coach is telling him to do, next time look at the men controlling our attack before you start having a go at him

 

[GNR4LIFE]

BMM was pretty strong again tonight. He offers more then Groat. Maybe he was out of his depth tonight being in the starting side, but i had these concerns about him coming into the season. Nothing about him impresses me

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I think forumers should not come to expect big things early in the season, we are clearly a team who doesn't peak early and are more prone to peak later in the season. I'm still optimistic, we are premiership favourites for a reason.

As for you people who claim Moltzen isn't a halfback, you should take a good look at yourselves. Up until last week, we had never lost a game with Moltzen at halfback. No coincidence either, the guy has a good passing game, running game and has terrific vision and can defend (unlike Lui), important assets in being a quality half. The role he's playing at the moment does not come naturally to him and I can't understand why Sheens has instructed him to play this role.

X2 about moltzen. Lui was the human turnstyle, so lets give moltz more time to settle in properly, was only a few years ago he killed it with benji.
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The only thing Moltzen has ever killed has been overlaps. Can you ever remember him doing anything at halback thats worth remembering?

Moltzen has done quite a bit to remember at halfback actually, perhaps his defence that is infinite times better than Robert Lui's, or perhaps doing his job which is give early ball to the best attacking player in the world, ask yourself this, if you were playing next to the best attacking player in the world, would you be the one trying to create things? or would you give it to ol mate marshall outside you to do the work? quite frankly i think one thing Benji could learn from Moltzen would be to give HIS outside man in Lawerence (the best centre in the world) early ball so he atleast has time to try and set up his winger or beat the man marking him. Maybe you've noticed that the few times Lawerence has set up his winger hes had to catch and pass with the defence in his face or actually in the process of takleing him and it is only his skill that enables him to pull it off, but most of the time he doesnt and
Ashyford certainly cant.

Im sick of seeing Tim Moltzen put up as a scape goat for our poor attacking performances when he his simply doing the job the coach is telling him to do, next time look at the men controlling our attack before you start having a go at him

Moltzen has never done anything to remember. And as far as Lui goes, he wasn't scared to put his hand up and want the ball. He might have struggled in defence, but he was 100 times the ball player Moltzen is

 

[dermo]

X2 about moltzen. Lui was the human turnstyle, so lets give moltz more time to settle in properly, was only a few years ago he killed it with benji.
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The only thing Moltzen has ever killed has been overlaps. Can you ever remember him doing anything at halback thats worth remembering?

Moltzen has done quite a bit to remember at halfback actually, perhaps his defence that is infinite times better than Robert Lui's, or perhaps doing his job which is give early ball to the best attacking player in the world, ask yourself this, if you were playing next to the best attacking player in the world, would you be the one trying to create things? or would you give it to ol mate marshall outside you to do the work? quite frankly i think one thing Benji could learn from Moltzen would be to give HIS outside man in Lawerence (the best centre in the world) early ball so he atleast has time to try and set up his winger or beat the man marking him. Maybe you've noticed that the few times Lawerence has set up his winger hes had to catch and pass with the defence in his face or actually in the process of takleing him and it is only his skill that enables him to pull it off, but most of the time he doesnt and
Ashyford certainly cant.

Im sick of seeing Tim Moltzen put up as a scape goat for our poor attacking performances when he his simply doing the job the coach is telling him to do, next time look at the men controlling our attack before you start having a go at him
Moltzen has never done anything to remember. And as far as Lui goes, he wasn't scared to put his hand up and want the ball. He might have struggked in defence, but he was 100 times the ball player Moltzen is

You seem to forget that it took about 2 seasons for Lui to put his hand up and call for the ball over Benji or Robbie

 

[Alf_Duguid]

Jim Moltzen had an opportunity to stand up and be counted when the chips were down. He didn't and that's just not right
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[dermo]

Jim Moltzen had an opportunity to stand up and be counted when the chips were down. He didn't and that's just not right
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This is the most ridiculous post ive ever seen, what did you want him to do? act like an enforcing prop and try to run out there and put big hits on every bloke who ran at him? or just because of some contract crap that happened last year you wanted him to completely disregard what the coach tells him and take all the play making into his own hands and just let benji go break dance or some shit in the back corner?

 

[tiger4ever]

i believe moltzen was our worst tonight…and that's saying something....seriously did anyone play one of their better games...we were terrible right across the park

 

[tiger91]

I think forumers should not come to expect big things early in the season, we are clearly a team who doesn't peak early and are more prone to peak later in the season. I'm still optimistic, we are premiership favourites for a reason.

As for you people who claim Moltzen isn't a halfback, you should take a good look at yourselves. Up until last week, we had never lost a game with Moltzen at halfback. No coincidence either, the guy has a good passing game, running game and has terrific vision and can defend (unlike Lui), important assets in being a quality half. The role he's playing at the moment does not come naturally to him and I can't understand why Sheens has instructed him to play this role.

X2 about moltzen. Lui was the human turnstyle, so lets give moltz more time to settle in properly, was only a few years ago he killed it with benji.
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The only thing Moltzen has ever killed has been overlaps. Can you ever remember him doing anything at halback thats worth remembering?

Moltzen has done quite a bit to remember at halfback actually, perhaps his defence that is infinite times better than Robert Lui's, or perhaps doing his job which is give early ball to the best attacking player in the world, ask yourself this, if you were playing next to the best attacking player in the world, would you be the one trying to create things? or would you give it to ol mate marshall outside you to do the work? quite frankly i think one thing Benji could learn from Moltzen would be to give HIS outside man in Lawerence (the best centre in the world) early ball so he atleast has time to try and set up his winger or beat the man marking him. Maybe you've noticed that the few times Lawerence has set up his winger hes had to catch and pass with the defence in his face or actually in the process of takleing him and it is only his skill that enables him to pull it off, but most of the time he doesnt and
Ashyford certainly cant.

Im sick of seeing Tim Moltzen put up as a scape goat for our poor attacking performances when he his simply doing the job the coach is telling him to do, next time look at the men controlling our attack before you start having a go at him

Moltzen should be on of those guys controlling our attack. We all seem to think that if you have one superstar half, the other can get away with little involvement because "he's playing in the Marshall show".

It's not an excuse when you look at some of the other halves combos in the comp:

Manly have DCE and Foran, Melbourne have Cronk and Widdop, last year Brisbane had Lockyer and Wallace.

To a lesser extent Warriors have Maloney and Johnson, and the Cowboys have Thurston and Thompson/Lui.

Looking at the above combinations, each player is a potent attacking half or at least has the skills to alleviate pressure from the more dominant half.

At the moment, Moltzen isn't either. He needs to step up to take the pressure from Marshall at the very least.

The only thing he well tonight was rush out of the line and pressure the Dragons attack. As far as I'm concerned we could put a 2nd rower in the 7 jersey and do just as well.

Bottom line: MOLTZEN NEEDS TO STEP UP!!!
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[ragedmachine]

I think motzen is too fragile in the mind. He is definitely not a leader and won't stand up because he knows he has two creative players either side of him. He is a shadow of a player than he was pre-ACL

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Jim Moltzen had an opportunity to stand up and be counted when the chips were down. He didn't and that's just not right
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This is the most ridiculous post ive ever seen, what did you want him to do? act like an enforcing prop and try to run out there and put big hits on every bloke who ran at him? or just because of some contract crap that happened last year you wanted him to completely disregard what the coach tells him and take all the play making into his own hands and just let benji go break dance or some s*** in the back corner?

This is about the second or third time you've said that Moltzen is under instructions from Sheens. You know this for a fact do you?

 

[fulleightyminutes]

I was pretty skeptical about BMM. But i am starting to see what obviously coaches have seen in him. He has impact. I saw a lot of Moltzen in State cup as five eighth, with lazarus at half, and he is a good, creative player. A matchwinner often. we have all been wanting a dominat half, ala Johns, DCE, even Matt Head etc but we have Marshall and I don't think any of us would want to go back to the days before Marshall, so maybe we have to accept that the ball will always go to him and Moltzen will have to find his feet within the Farah/Marshall mould. Just a thought.

 

[dermo]

Jim Moltzen had an opportunity to stand up and be counted when the chips were down. He didn't and that's just not right
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This is the most ridiculous post ive ever seen, what did you want him to do? act like an enforcing prop and try to run out there and put big hits on every bloke who ran at him? or just because of some contract crap that happened last year you wanted him to completely disregard what the coach tells him and take all the play making into his own hands and just let benji go break dance or some s*** in the back corner?

This is about the second or third time you've said that Moltzen is under instructions from Sheens. You know this for a fact do you?

No i dont no this for a fact but i hardly think hes going to tell him jump straight into a major playmaking role, he certainly gave Rob Lui a fair bit of time to ease his way into Halfback

 

[innsaneink]

X2 about moltzen. Lui was the human turnstyle, so lets give moltz more time to settle in properly, was only a few years ago he killed it with benji.
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The only thing Moltzen has ever killed has been overlaps. Can you ever remember him doing anything at halback thats worth remembering?

Moltzen has done quite a bit to remember at halfback actually, perhaps his defence that is infinite times better than Robert Lui's, or perhaps doing his job which is give early ball to the best attacking player in the world, ask yourself this, if you were playing next to the best attacking player in the world, would you be the one trying to create things? or would you give it to ol mate marshall outside you to do the work? quite frankly i think one thing Benji could learn from Moltzen would be to give HIS outside man in Lawerence (the best centre in the world) early ball so he atleast has time to try and set up his winger or beat the man marking him. Maybe you've noticed that the few times Lawerence has set up his winger hes had to catch and pass with the defence in his face or actually in the process of takleing him and it is only his skill that enables him to pull it off, but most of the time he doesnt and
Ashyford certainly cant.

Im sick of seeing Tim Moltzen put up as a scape goat for our poor attacking performances when he his simply doing the job the coach is telling him to do, next time look at the men controlling our attack before you start having a go at him

Moltzen should be on of those guys controlling our attack. We all seem to think that if you have one superstar half, the other can get away with little involvement because "he's playing in the Marshall show".

It's not an excuse when you look at some of the other halves combos in the comp:

Manly have DCE and Foran, Melbourne have Cronk and Widdop, last year Brisbane had Lockyer and Wallace.

To a lesser extent Warriors have Maloney and Johnson, and the Cowboys have Thurston and Thompson/Lui.

Looking at the above combinations, each player is a potent attacking half or at least has the skills to alleviate pressure from the more dominant half.

At the moment, Moltzen isn't either. He needs to step up to take the pressure from Marshall at the very least.

The only thing he well tonight was rush out of the line and pressure the Dragons attack. As far as I'm concerned we could put a 2nd rower in the 7 jersey and do just as well.

Bottom line: MOLTZEN NEEDS TO STEP UP!!!
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[1_4_chicken_chips]

We got owned around the ruck ,we couldnt slow the play the ball down and they made easy metres straight up the guts .dermo has a point.
my forward pack
8 blair
9farah
10 bell
11ellis
12 fulton
13 ayshford
14 hino
15bmm
16 woods
17 ???

 

[tiger91]

The only thing Moltzen has ever killed has been overlaps. Can you ever remember him doing anything at halback thats worth remembering?

Moltzen has done quite a bit to remember at halfback actually, perhaps his defence that is infinite times better than Robert Lui's, or perhaps doing his job which is give early ball to the best attacking player in the world, ask yourself this, if you were playing next to the best attacking player in the world, would you be the one trying to create things? or would you give it to ol mate marshall outside you to do the work? quite frankly i think one thing Benji could learn from Moltzen would be to give HIS outside man in Lawerence (the best centre in the world) early ball so he atleast has time to try and set up his winger or beat the man marking him. Maybe you've noticed that the few times Lawerence has set up his winger hes had to catch and pass with the defence in his face or actually in the process of takleing him and it is only his skill that enables him to pull it off, but most of the time he doesnt and
Ashyford certainly cant.

Im sick of seeing Tim Moltzen put up as a scape goat for our poor attacking performances when he his simply doing the job the coach is telling him to do, next time look at the men controlling our attack before you start having a go at him

Moltzen should be on of those guys controlling our attack. We all seem to think that if you have one superstar half, the other can get away with little involvement because "he's playing in the Marshall show".

It's not an excuse when you look at some of the other halves combos in the comp:

Manly have DCE and Foran, Melbourne have Cronk and Widdop, last year Brisbane had Lockyer and Wallace.

To a lesser extent Warriors have Maloney and Johnson, and the Cowboys have Thurston and Thompson/Lui.

Looking at the above combinations, each player is a potent attacking half or at least has the skills to alleviate pressure from the more dominant half.

At the moment, Moltzen isn't either. He needs to step up to take the pressure from Marshall at the very least.

The only thing he well tonight was rush out of the line and pressure the Dragons attack. As far as I'm concerned we could put a 2nd rower in the 7 jersey and do just as well.

Bottom line: MOLTZEN NEEDS TO STEP UP!!!
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[saundo1982]

In Groat's case i wouldn't even consider him a first grader.What does he offer? Give me Fifita over Groat anyday of the week. Nothing i've ever seen from him has me excited.

Did u not see the article about sharks players being less then impressed with the effort of fifita on the training paddock??
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