tigersrule4life
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He will hit top form at fb go Timmy Moltzen.
MOLTZEN? Thread
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Timmy was much improved V the Panthers and hopefully will continue that way. No doubt he is talented but he needs to knuckle down. And I also have no problem with him off loading to the wingers, gives our forwards more time to get back and take hit ups, in preivous weeks the opposition would kick downfield and it would go like this fullback, winger from dummy half, winger from dummy half - all for about an 8m gain, so soaking some time before getting through tackles really helps out I think.
Certainly starting to show a bit more there against the Pamfers. He has good games but he can also have a few howlers as well. If he does the little things right every game he will go a long way to being a consistent performer.
At the back, he has three major deficiencies:
1\. He struggles with the high ball, although he was very good against Souths and Penriff. A prerequisite of being a fullback, let alone a good one, is to take the high ball every time;
2\. He doesn't return the ball. Needs to show a little more initiative and run the ball back. Don't mind if he moves across field at the same time, but only if he is probing for a hole in the line. Lote and Beau already do a huge amount of work in our own half, it's hardly fair to expect them to take the first hit up, especially at the expense of 10-20 metres in kick return;
3\. This isn't so important, but he needs to back everyone up a little better in the line. He really only ever runs of Benji. He has great speed and can be extremely evasive. Bell, Woods, Blair and BMM are all quite good at getting the ball free, why isn't he running onto these blokes while they've committed three defenders?
He fixes these three things up, he could go a long way at the back.
At the back, he has three major deficiencies:
1\. He struggles with the high ball, although he was very good against Souths and Penriff. A prerequisite of being a fullback, let alone a good one, is to take the high ball every time;
2\. He doesn't return the ball. Needs to show a little more initiative and run the ball back. Don't mind if he moves across field at the same time, but only if he is probing for a hole in the line. Lote and Beau already do a huge amount of work in our own half, it's hardly fair to expect them to take the first hit up, especially at the expense of 10-20 metres in kick return;
3\. This isn't so important, but he needs to back everyone up a little better in the line. He really only ever runs of Benji. He has great speed and can be extremely evasive. Bell, Woods, Blair and BMM are all quite good at getting the ball free, why isn't he running onto these blokes while they've committed three defenders?
He fixes these three things up, he could go a long way at the back.
simonthetiger
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There's no doubt he is a class player.
Comes under a ridiculous amount of fire on here.
Class always comes good.
Comes under a ridiculous amount of fire on here.
Class always comes good.
hybrid_tiger
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Yeah here we go, one half-decent game in 7 against dreadful opposition and those who have rightfully criticised his efforts this year are suddenly wrong and have egg on their faces? Please…
When Moltzen performs CONSISTENTLY like he did against the Dragons in the semi-final game last year, I will gladly receive a serving of the world's biggest and most egg filled humble pie. But the reality is, he was poor for 85% of last season and has been non-existant, poor or plain dreadful in every game this season bar the Penrith one. One decent performance against terrible opposition is a good start but certainly no time for "I told you so".
Admittedly Moltzen was better against Penrith and at least contested the bombs that went up, but his kick returns remain diabolical. Ryan takes most of the kick returns he should be because he passes it off instead of returning the ball like any fullback should, while Tuqiri saved his blushes after he failed to field a kick, Humble ran down and made a cover tackle because he was out of position in defense and Lawrence defused a bomb on more than one occasion.
Moltzen needs to start returning the ball like he did against the Dragons last year, he has it in him so why do we see this jogging back and palming the ball off to the nearest winger rubbish instead?
The games best fullbacks return the ball with speed and power, so much so that many opposition teams try and nullify it completely by tactically kicking the ball dead to prevent kick returns.
When Moltzen performs CONSISTENTLY like he did against the Dragons in the semi-final game last year, I will gladly receive a serving of the world's biggest and most egg filled humble pie. But the reality is, he was poor for 85% of last season and has been non-existant, poor or plain dreadful in every game this season bar the Penrith one. One decent performance against terrible opposition is a good start but certainly no time for "I told you so".
Admittedly Moltzen was better against Penrith and at least contested the bombs that went up, but his kick returns remain diabolical. Ryan takes most of the kick returns he should be because he passes it off instead of returning the ball like any fullback should, while Tuqiri saved his blushes after he failed to field a kick, Humble ran down and made a cover tackle because he was out of position in defense and Lawrence defused a bomb on more than one occasion.
Moltzen needs to start returning the ball like he did against the Dragons last year, he has it in him so why do we see this jogging back and palming the ball off to the nearest winger rubbish instead?
The games best fullbacks return the ball with speed and power, so much so that many opposition teams try and nullify it completely by tactically kicking the ball dead to prevent kick returns.
Tigerspirit
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Well said Hybrid' someone with common sense and knowledge couldn't agree more. This post wasnt posted to hate moltzen but to point out how very disappointing he has been.
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Strider
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I don't know if you guys who are praising were at the Panthers game, or saw it on TV, but out at the game he looked very average.
I thought Lawrence & Moltzen were our main weaknesses. It's been noted that some teams kick for a 20m restart to avoid risky attack from the kick return, but nobody is going to do that against Moltzen. They will aim for him every time because he makes 0 to 5 m on each return, he looks like he has a target on his shirt -he looks obviously afraid to run as fast as he can on the return and see if he can create any half opportunity.
I hope he proves me wrong, but his performance at the Panthers game did not change my perspective on him. Please, Tim, prove me wrong, and soon. Would love nothing better than to see him catch the ball and go on the attack straight away, like Inglis, Morris, Slater, Barba, Bowen, Coote, or _**any**_ other fullback in the NRL does.
I thought Lawrence & Moltzen were our main weaknesses. It's been noted that some teams kick for a 20m restart to avoid risky attack from the kick return, but nobody is going to do that against Moltzen. They will aim for him every time because he makes 0 to 5 m on each return, he looks like he has a target on his shirt -he looks obviously afraid to run as fast as he can on the return and see if he can create any half opportunity.
I hope he proves me wrong, but his performance at the Panthers game did not change my perspective on him. Please, Tim, prove me wrong, and soon. Would love nothing better than to see him catch the ball and go on the attack straight away, like Inglis, Morris, Slater, Barba, Bowen, Coote, or _**any**_ other fullback in the NRL does.
I am more concerned about the form of Lawrence and Ayshford. Compared to them Moltzen is an out and out champion.
I am no longer amazed by the vitriol heaped on TM by some people here. I see CL on TV saying he has aspirations to play for The Blues. On current form he is lucky to be playing FG.
I am no longer amazed by the vitriol heaped on TM by some people here. I see CL on TV saying he has aspirations to play for The Blues. On current form he is lucky to be playing FG.
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@hybrid_tiger said:
Good accurate call Hybrid. I think the frustrating for a lot of us is that we have seen how good Moltzen can be, but getting him to produce that form on a consistent basis is what lets him down. Is it a confidence issue? We've all heard Benji come out and say Moltzen is good enough to play for NSW, but until he produces his best football week in, week out, then he won't be playing rep football.
I just hope he can play his best football consistently because the Tigers will be a much better side in attack if he can.
Moltzen scored two tries (would have been three if Reddy looked to his right after making the break before the Humble try)didn't drop a bomb (anybody see Darius Boyd drop one for the Knights? Must be useless), and defended well.
Any other player in the team would have been praised - not pilloried. :unamused:
Any other player in the team would have been praised - not pilloried. :unamused:
GNR4LIFE
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@magpiecol said:
While i agree with you, i find it amusing how you are just about Moltzen's no 1 hater and at the same time John Grant's biggest fan. Whats Grant's claim to fame? A youtube highlights package? :laughing:
@cusschops said:
No he's just bitter.
Maybe he asked Benji if he could be his friend and he said no :laughing:
Seeing as Moltzen has already played Junior Kangaroos , been the Tigers rookie of the year , played for country and been named in a NSW 'Blues in waiting ' squad I'm sure his main claim to fame won't be being Marshall's mate - not that there's anything wrong with that. :wink:
CK… Mate, Whilst I can appreciate your backing of a player you are obviously affectionate for....
Toward the end of the game, He took a kick return and actually ran from centre field to the Wing, BACKWARD to unload for Ryan to take the tackle. A small group of us were amazed!!
NOW I have never played a game of first grade in my life... But I DO believe the object of taking a kick return is to bring the ball to the centre of the field (giving left or right option) and as forward as possible...
effectively... It took to tackles to get back to where he started??
Where's the sense in this??
Time and time again, I have seen TM run backward or sideways, If he has time to run 20m sideways... I'd prefer 5m forward!! HELL!! I'd prefer him to lay down where he fields it... It would show more ticker than it does running away from tackles or trying to get someone else to take them!!
All the "Man Love" in the world can not excuse a first grader who constantly does this time and time again....
Last year it was coming back from surgery... This year it is confidence....
Next year it will be Price of fuel... The following it will be because his astrologer advised him not to....
If he can't do it by now.... I fear he never will!!
That being said... I hold out hope. He is obviously in the "In" crowd... And will get picked unless he falls pregnant or contracts leprosy.
Toward the end of the game, He took a kick return and actually ran from centre field to the Wing, BACKWARD to unload for Ryan to take the tackle. A small group of us were amazed!!
NOW I have never played a game of first grade in my life... But I DO believe the object of taking a kick return is to bring the ball to the centre of the field (giving left or right option) and as forward as possible...
effectively... It took to tackles to get back to where he started??
Where's the sense in this??
Time and time again, I have seen TM run backward or sideways, If he has time to run 20m sideways... I'd prefer 5m forward!! HELL!! I'd prefer him to lay down where he fields it... It would show more ticker than it does running away from tackles or trying to get someone else to take them!!
All the "Man Love" in the world can not excuse a first grader who constantly does this time and time again....
Last year it was coming back from surgery... This year it is confidence....
Next year it will be Price of fuel... The following it will be because his astrologer advised him not to....
If he can't do it by now.... I fear he never will!!
That being said... I hold out hope. He is obviously in the "In" crowd... And will get picked unless he falls pregnant or contracts leprosy.
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Saturnalia
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@batboy said:
The former seems pretty likely.
TurnStyle
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batboy makes a valid point in my view.
apart from last week, moltzen has been terrible (personally, i would have dropped him), and when i played fullback what batboy says is exactly what i was told to do. it is annoying having a fullback who doesnt want to hit it up.
having said that, i will defend him in the sense that last week he did a much better job with the kicks coming to him and obviously backed up well (tries). i just think your point is the next thing he needs to add to his game.
hit it up, run straight and not always look to offload to get a winger to do your job and i think he will be good.
apart from last week, moltzen has been terrible (personally, i would have dropped him), and when i played fullback what batboy says is exactly what i was told to do. it is annoying having a fullback who doesnt want to hit it up.
having said that, i will defend him in the sense that last week he did a much better job with the kicks coming to him and obviously backed up well (tries). i just think your point is the next thing he needs to add to his game.
hit it up, run straight and not always look to offload to get a winger to do your job and i think he will be good.
