Momorovski wants out

[Moh]

Someone who claimed to be close to Momo (or close to a 'friend' of Momo) was saying not long ago how he loved it at the Tigers.

I responded with surprise, as I couldn't imagine him being happy.

This is not surprising at all. While I rate him, there's just no room for him in our 17.

Happy the club is trying to get something out of it.

Everyone is happy until their club signs a better player in their choice position.

Ofc.

The comment I was referring to, made by a poster here, was made like less than 2 weeks ago.

Well after JTJ was signed.

 

[jirskyr]

Always find it annoying when our laundry is aired and felt no different with the possible JAC-Talau trade, the Aloiai stuff and now the recent Momirovski talk.
The club's values are supposed to be Respect, Team and Excellence(I think?) but the way in which some negotiations go down only give off an impression the team's trademark is the exact opposite.
No one wants to read players are not feeling valued by the club, but who could actually blame them when certain stuff is said in the media?

He might not be walking into a first grade position at another club but he's an asset to our club and all I ever want is for all our players is to give their best - which he does - and not feel undervalued or somewhat mistreated.

The laundry is aired by the player manager, not the club. So I agree it is annoying, when the player doesn't get precisely what they want, or the player wants to adjust the terms of their deal, the club says no, and then it hits the media.

I didn't see anywhere where it was stated that Momorovski did not feel valued by the club? In fact the opposite - his value is indicated by a reluctance to release him.

Now personally I can feel for the bloke - he left Roosters to get a start at Tigers, couldn't quite cement it, then agreed to a swap deal in Melbourne, where he again wasn't first-choice. He returns to Tigers and they sign, in consecutive off-seasons, superior players in his preferred position. No doubt he wants to investigate his options at other clubs where he might get a regular start. Furthermore with the recent COVID uncertainties, it is the non-starters that are at biggest risk of missing game time in 2021.

However I fail to see anywhere mistreatment or failure to indicate value to the club. Coach has been frank with the player - you are not first-choice but you are valued to our entire roster. And apparently that's not good enough, with two release requests. One release request I understand, but why ask a second time?

The Aloiai stuff is not related to Momorovski. The player agitated for a pay rise, Tigers declined, then his manager agitated for a move to where one of his other players (AFB) had left a hole in the roster. Not the Tigers' fault that Aloiai was signed to a deal he subsequently wanted to improve. And frankly Aloiai did not have such an outstanding 2019 or 2020 as to demand a pay rise.

 

[Big Brain]

In 2019, he was called "too slow" as he got run down a couple of times, he missed a sitter that cost us a game, and didn't play well in the game deciding match in the last round.


He was chased down after catching a ponga intercept, IE if he didn't make that play knights probably score. It was pretty late in the game, players get tired, he more than likely had heavy legs. Not a fair representation of speed imo

in that dogs game you talk about he also scored 2 tries and was the reason we were even in it.

And in that last game he was chucked into the fullback role last minute as Thompson pulled up lame an hour before the game

I’m fairly certain most people in this forum don’t actually watch the games, or if they do they don’t quite understand what is going on. It doesn’t matter that you have just highlighted Momo’s obvious abilities, they’ll zero in on one missed kick.

 

[coivtny]

In 2019, he was called "too slow" as he got run down a couple of times, he missed a sitter that cost us a game, and didn't play well in the game deciding match in the last round.


He was chased down after catching a ponga intercept, IE if he didn't make that play knights probably score. It was pretty late in the game, players get tired, he more than likely had heavy legs. Not a fair representation of speed imo

in that dogs game you talk about he also scored 2 tries and was the reason we were even in it.

And in that last game he was chucked into the fullback role last minute as Thompson pulled up lame an hour before the game


I’m fairly certain most people in this forum don’t actually watch the games, or if they do they don’t quite understand what is going on. It doesn’t matter that you have just highlighted Momo’s obvious abilities, they’ll zero in on one missed kick.

You're absolutely right. I've watched two games in the last 20 years and didn't understand either of them. I think I'd be totally representative of forum members.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Momirovski took one for the team in going to the Storm. He's a great team player which no doubt explains why he's in demand. The exposure he received to the Storm training methods will be good for his career. In whatever decision he makes, I wish him all the best.

 

[Big Brain]

In 2019, he was called "too slow" as he got run down a couple of times, he missed a sitter that cost us a game, and didn't play well in the game deciding match in the last round.


He was chased down after catching a ponga intercept, IE if he didn't make that play knights probably score. It was pretty late in the game, players get tired, he more than likely had heavy legs. Not a fair representation of speed imo

in that dogs game you talk about he also scored 2 tries and was the reason we were even in it.

And in that last game he was chucked into the fullback role last minute as Thompson pulled up lame an hour before the game


I’m fairly certain most people in this forum don’t actually watch the games, or if they do they don’t quite understand what is going on. It doesn’t matter that you have just highlighted Momo’s obvious abilities, they’ll zero in on one missed kick.

You're absolutely right. I've watched two games in the last 20 years and didn't understand either of them. I think I'd be totally representative of forum members.

Yeah, probably...

 

[sleeve]

In 2019, he was called "too slow" as he got run down a couple of times, he missed a sitter that cost us a game, and didn't play well in the game deciding match in the last round.


He was chased down after catching a ponga intercept, IE if he didn't make that play knights probably score. It was pretty late in the game, players get tired, he more than likely had heavy legs. Not a fair representation of speed imo

in that dogs game you talk about he also scored 2 tries and was the reason we were even in it.

And in that last game he was chucked into the fullback role last minute as Thompson pulled up lame an hour before the game


I’m fairly certain most people in this forum don’t actually watch the games, or if they do they don’t quite understand what is going on. It doesn’t matter that you have just highlighted Momo’s obvious abilities, they’ll zero in on one missed kick.

You're absolutely right. I've watched two games in the last 20 years and didn't understand either of them. I think I'd be totally representative of forum members.


Yeah, probably...

I've probably only missed any that were not televised,i record all Tigers games.

 

[Joelcainenumber1fan]

losing momoroski would be crazy hes the best centre at the club
and if u think the other 2 are better we are in 2021 now
when was the last time roberts was actually good,and dont even get me started on Leilua
hes a headcase and lazy as in defense

 

[tigerbalm]

In 2019, he was called "too slow" as he got run down a couple of times, he missed a sitter that cost us a game, and didn't play well in the game deciding match in the last round.


He was chased down after catching a ponga intercept, IE if he didn't make that play knights probably score. It was pretty late in the game, players get tired, he more than likely had heavy legs. Not a fair representation of speed imo

in that dogs game you talk about he also scored 2 tries and was the reason we were even in it.

And in that last game he was chucked into the fullback role last minute as Thompson pulled up lame an hour before the game


I’m fairly certain most people in this forum don’t actually watch the games, or if they do they don’t quite understand what is going on. It doesn’t matter that you have just highlighted Momo’s obvious abilities, they’ll zero in on one missed kick.

You're absolutely right. I've watched two games in the last 20 years and didn't understand either of them. I think I'd be totally representative of forum members.

I watched a game once. Didn't care for it.

 

[Speed2burn]

In 2019, he was called "too slow" as he got run down a couple of times, he missed a sitter that cost us a game, and didn't play well in the game deciding match in the last round.


He was chased down after catching a ponga intercept, IE if he didn't make that play knights probably score. It was pretty late in the game, players get tired, he more than likely had heavy legs. Not a fair representation of speed imo

in that dogs game you talk about he also scored 2 tries and was the reason we were even in it.

And in that last game he was chucked into the fullback role last minute as Thompson pulled up lame an hour before the game


I’m fairly certain most people in this forum don’t actually watch the games, or if they do they don’t quite understand what is going on. It doesn’t matter that you have just highlighted Momo’s obvious abilities, they’ll zero in on one missed kick.

Yet the majority are ok to support JL as our saviour, despite most of the season letting in tries through his miscommunication and inept defense, while also letting the team down by getting suspended for a month over a boneheaded play.

But it’s ok because he stopped eating fast foods, and has been training for the past 3 months, as every professional athlete should do

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Club playing it smart here, letting the other suitors know he wont be released without "what we want in return"....watch this space....Momo will be released once we get what we want....

Yes like we got adequate compensation for Matterson & commercial benefit for Aloiai.

We did . We signed Joe O for josh , and a fair financial hit for Matto .

Because dynamism is as rare as anything . And thats what BJ jas in spades , when he’s on. . Momo is a serviceable centre who won’t let you down , might do a few good things , but ultimately is net 0. If you have a team full of net 0 , you are going no where but mid table . And guess where we have ended up with this tragedy for the last 5 years ???? You need to have guys who will cause you heart attacks , but might beat a team by themselves . Because the competition is too close to not have them. And there’s no difference really between losing by 2 or losing by 20 . You’re still losing .
But you might have a chance with guys like this , to really change a game . You can’t have more than a couple ina team . And I think that’s the calculated risk the team is taking .

 

[Lauren]

Always find it annoying when our laundry is aired and felt no different with the possible JAC-Talau trade, the Aloiai stuff and now the recent Momirovski talk.
The club's values are supposed to be Respect, Team and Excellence(I think?) but the way in which some negotiations go down only give off an impression the team's trademark is the exact opposite.
No one wants to read players are not feeling valued by the club, but who could actually blame them when certain stuff is said in the media?

He might not be walking into a first grade position at another club but he's an asset to our club and all I ever want is for all our players is to give their best - which he does - and not feel undervalued or somewhat mistreated.

The laundry is aired by the player manager, not the club. So I agree it is annoying, when the player doesn't get precisely what they want, or the player wants to adjust the terms of their deal, the club says no, and then it hits the media.

I didn't see anywhere where it was stated that Momorovski did not feel valued by the club? In fact the opposite - his value is indicated by a reluctance to release him.

Now personally I can feel for the bloke - he left Roosters to get a start at Tigers, couldn't quite cement it, then agreed to a swap deal in Melbourne, where he again wasn't first-choice. He returns to Tigers and they sign, in consecutive off-seasons, superior players in his preferred position. No doubt he wants to investigate his options at other clubs where he might get a regular start. Furthermore with the recent COVID uncertainties, it is the non-starters that are at biggest risk of missing game time in 2021.

However I fail to see anywhere mistreatment or failure to indicate value to the club. Coach has been frank with the player - you are not first-choice but you are valued to our entire roster. And apparently that's not good enough, with two release requests. One release request I understand, but why ask a second time?

The Aloiai stuff is not related to Momorovski. The player agitated for a pay rise, Tigers declined, then his manager agitated for a move to where one of his other players (AFB) had left a hole in the roster. Not the Tigers' fault that Aloiai was signed to a deal he subsequently wanted to improve. And frankly Aloiai did not have such an outstanding 2019 or 2020 as to demand a pay rise.

Appreciate the response but the gist of my comment is that players obviously aren't onboard with the club's plans with them. (Dont they direct their managers?)
I only applied the mistreatment and undervalued comments as in the background the club has been using the players as collateral (in attempt) for trades over the last year or so. This doesn't strike me one bit as having an appreciation and seeing the value for/in them.
Just think some things are indefensible.
I'm tired of being angry at the media or Ivan or whoever the club or manager it is that we're dealing with.
This is all obviously just my personal opinion and I actually have no issues with others throwing all their support behind the club for these type of things, but why are some ignoring the hypocrisy due to the club's own role in setting it in motion?

 

[Speed2burn]

losing momoroski would be crazy hes the best centre at the club
and if u think the other 2 are better we are in 2021 now
when was the last time roberts was actually good,and dont even get me started on Leilua
hes a headcase and lazy as in defense

Joey was always found out in big games for Canberra. His laziness probably cost them the big one

Bit of a flat track bully. He made a rep by carving up average teams like us.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

We will stand firm, we are not soft. We will not be dictated to, and players will be forced to honour their contract.

Just like Matterson, Aloiai.

Here we go again. For all the media spin the club has caved in twice and there is now an expectation from the playing group that they can walk away if things are not going their way & they have a better offer.

Based on history JTJ and BJ will be lucky to see the season out and we have limited options in terms of back-ups.

I dont think Momo or the club has done anything wrong...the media are making something out of nothing here

Can completely understand Momo wanting out and if we can get Laurie early its a win win.

Limited back ups? We have Talau, Mybe (if Laurie is here), Hoffman, Cini and AJ - all specialist centres... Centre were stacked.

Which other clubs have players that have recently signed a contract ask for a release as soon as they don't make first grade.
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My understanding is our backline is:
Mbye, Nofa, JTJ, BJ, Talau.

Available (apart from Momo) are AJ & Cini. We are one injury away from someone who can't tackle being first picked.

I'd be a bit put out that Leilua is allegedly ahead of him. Leilua has not performed at WTs. Momirovski did well with WTs and to get a start at the Storm. I rate him highly.

 

[Speed2burn]

Club playing it smart here, letting the other suitors know he wont be released without "what we want in return"....watch this space....Momo will be released once we get what we want....

Yes like we got adequate compensation for Matterson & commercial benefit for Aloiai.

We did . We signed Joe O for josh , and a fair financial hit for Matto .

Because dynamism is as rare as anything . And thats what BJ jas in spades , when he’s on. . Momo is a serviceable centre who won’t let you down , might do a few good things , but ultimately is net 0. If you have a team full of net 0 , you are going no where but mid table . And guess where we have ended up with this tragedy for the last 5 years ???? You need to have guys who will cause you heart attacks , but might beat a team by themselves . Because the competition is too close to not have them. And there’s no difference really between losing by 2 or losing by 20 . You’re still losing .
But you might have a chance with guys like this , to really change a game . You can’t have more than a couple ina team . And I think that’s the calculated risk the team is taking .

I do respect your opinion on him, i'm just not completely sold on him in a WT jersey as of yet. Case in point last year..hopefully he proves me wrong and i have egg on my face

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Always find it annoying when our laundry is aired and felt no different with the possible JAC-Talau trade, the Aloiai stuff and now the recent Momirovski talk.
The club's values are supposed to be Respect, Team and Excellence(I think?) but the way in which some negotiations go down only give off an impression the team's trademark is the exact opposite.
No one wants to read players are not feeling valued by the club, but who could actually blame them when certain stuff is said in the media?

He might not be walking into a first grade position at another club but he's an asset to our club and all I ever want is for all our players is to give their best - which he does - and not feel undervalued or somewhat mistreated.

The laundry is aired by the player manager, not the club. So I agree it is annoying, when the player doesn't get precisely what they want, or the player wants to adjust the terms of their deal, the club says no, and then it hits the media.

I didn't see anywhere where it was stated that Momorovski did not feel valued by the club? In fact the opposite - his value is indicated by a reluctance to release him.

Now personally I can feel for the bloke - he left Roosters to get a start at Tigers, couldn't quite cement it, then agreed to a swap deal in Melbourne, where he again wasn't first-choice. He returns to Tigers and they sign, in consecutive off-seasons, superior players in his preferred position. No doubt he wants to investigate his options at other clubs where he might get a regular start. Furthermore with the recent COVID uncertainties, it is the non-starters that are at biggest risk of missing game time in 2021.

However I fail to see anywhere mistreatment or failure to indicate value to the club. Coach has been frank with the player - you are not first-choice but you are valued to our entire roster. And apparently that's not good enough, with two release requests. One release request I understand, but why ask a second time?

The Aloiai stuff is not related to Momorovski. The player agitated for a pay rise, Tigers declined, then his manager agitated for a move to where one of his other players (AFB) had left a hole in the roster. Not the Tigers' fault that Aloiai was signed to a deal he subsequently wanted to improve. And frankly Aloiai did not have such an outstanding 2019 or 2020 as to demand a pay rise.

Appreciate the response but the gist of my comment is that players obviously aren't onboard with the club's plans with them. (Dont they direct their managers?)
I only applied the mistreatment and undervalued comments as in the background the club has been using the players as collateral (in attempt) for trades over the last year or so. This doesn't strike me one bit as having an appreciation and seeing the value for/in them.
Just think some things are indefensible.
I'm tired of being angry at the media or Ivan or whoever the club or manager it is that we're dealing with.
This is all obviously just my personal opinion and I actually have no issues with others throwing all their support behind the club for these type of things, but why are some ignoring the hypocrisy due to the club's own role in setting it in motion?

Legacy Cleary players Lauren . One by one they’re all leaving . The only ones staying are ones who signed under Madge , or are juniors / came here a while ago for a start . Like Garner .

You can’t judge them for not wanting to play under Madge and you can’t judge Madge , for wanting to get the most out of them the o LT way he knows how .
Square pegs round holes

 

[mikey]

Doesn't take long for all the Chicken Little's to come out when the drunk's lackey and the piece of toilet paper parading as a newspaper state their usual negative rant about anything WT's.
I like Momo and hope he stays - maybe he did request a release but to extrapolate that he is unhappy, the Tigers are bad again, it's all management's fault, the sky is falling in,we'll never be a good club is just ridiculous.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Club playing it smart here, letting the other suitors know he wont be released without "what we want in return"....watch this space....Momo will be released once we get what we want....

Yes like we got adequate compensation for Matterson & commercial benefit for Aloiai.

We did . We signed Joe O for josh , and a fair financial hit for Matto .

Because dynamism is as rare as anything . And thats what BJ jas in spades , when he’s on. . Momo is a serviceable centre who won’t let you down , might do a few good things , but ultimately is net 0. If you have a team full of net 0 , you are going no where but mid table . And guess where we have ended up with this tragedy for the last 5 years ???? You need to have guys who will cause you heart attacks , but might beat a team by themselves . Because the competition is too close to not have them. And there’s no difference really between losing by 2 or losing by 20 . You’re still losing .
But you might have a chance with guys like this , to really change a game . You can’t have more than a couple ina team . And I think that’s the calculated risk the team is taking .


I do respect your opinion on him, i'm just not completely sold on him in a WT jersey as of yet. Case in point last year..hopefully he proves me wrong and i have egg on my face

Neither am I mate . But the biggest indicator for future performance is past performance . Which is scary for both those guys I know .
We need guys who put the fear of god in defences . And both those guys do that . We just have to hope that we’ve unlocked the formula . Because if we have , good luck defences .

 

[earl]

losing momoroski would be crazy hes the best centre at the club

I think he is the fourth best centre in the club and the club appear to have the same opinion as I do.

I like him as a player but I don't see him having the ability to impact a game like BJ, Roberts or Talau.

 

[cochise]

losing momoroski would be crazy hes the best centre at the club

I think he is the fourth best centre in the club and the club appear to have the same opinion as I do.

I like him as a player but I don't see him having the ability to impact a game like BJ, Roberts or Talau.

I'm not sold on Talau yet but agree, I'd also say Doueihi is a better centre as well and that may end his position.