More Tigers problems

[goldcoast_tiger]

Those two are not journalists at all in my opinion. I hsve higher respect for Tony Abbott and Bill shorten.
Masters, Mascord, Brad Walter are respectable journos.

So you don't have a problem if they write a critical piece about Taylor then ?

I've no problem with anyone writing a critical piece on taylor. But Rothfield, weidler, hooper etc are all just tabloid rubbish bottom feeders.
Surely you can see that Farah's lawyer doing this independant repory is s farce.

Why, from what I heard and read, the report is not just about Farah, it's about all the NRL
I assume that would cover a lot of Lawyers for all those players. So do we ban all the Lawyers who have met with an NRL player

 

[gallagher]

Those two are not journalists at all in my opinion. I hsve higher respect for Tony Abbott and Bill shorten.
Masters, Mascord, Brad Walter are respectable journos.

So you don't have a problem if they write a critical piece about Taylor then ?

I've no problem with anyone writing a critical piece on taylor. But Rothfield, weidler, hooper etc are all just tabloid rubbish bottom feeders.
Surely you can see that Farah's lawyer doing this independant repory is s farce.

Why, from what I heard and read, the report is not just about Farah, it's about all the NRL
I assume that would cover a lot of Lawyers for all those players. So do we ban all the Lawyers who have met with an NRL player

Thats crap. It's report on the tigers done by farahs lawyer.

 

[Dinko]

Some of the stupidity being peddled around here is laughable.

You expect a true Tiger to support the decision of a board appointed by the NRL, who appointed a Violent Drunk?

 

[Dinko]

Yes, because these problems didn't exist before JT got here. Obviously JT made the club like this. Quit trying to be so hard hitting, you always try to come off sounding like a journo writing a dirt piece.

The problems were never this bad, we were never in the media for poor welfare allegations. Yes we constntly had player fallouts with the coach, i am not defending Farah, he is continously in the media for the wrong reason but when you have **85% of your team** saying that they aren't be treated appropriately something is wrong. When this is being leaked in the media..something is very wrong.

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**85% of the players interviewed** complained of unacceptable conditions at the club

Read the article properly Milky, don’t just browse it

Big difference between 85% of the team and 85% of the players interviewed, for all we know <big>the amount of players interviewed could be as little as 5</bigand be all of Sam Ayoub’s clients

:laughing:

Who was the .5 of a person? There was a minimum of 14 players…

 

[Tigerboz]

The report alleges that 85% of player are unhappy with conditions. I don't see where it says 85% are unhappy with JT.

I would vote unhappy with conditions at my work to but it has to do with resources and procedures. I love my job and have a great boss. Very subjective and conveniently lacking details or examples.

On a side note, I neither hate or love JT. He's been given time to do want he wants and seems to be getting it. I'll judge him halfway through 2016, we'll have him till then regardless….

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[Telltails]

So do you think that the stuff we have all read about Farah over the years in the press has contributed to opinions formed about him - assuming that none of us have ever actually witnessed the divisive things he has been accused of ? Lets face it we all choose to believe what we want by the press when it supports our own beliefs, and when it doesnt we denounce them of having any credibility.

Thats a fair point. But over years of following the game we work out who are reliable journos and who are just tabloid writers. Do you rate Rothfield and weidler as believable as any journo?

I think like all of us they are influenced by their own personal views as well as the desire to share a story first even if it is a rumour. None of them are accountable if they get it wrong and rarely do they ever publish it when they do - makes it difficult to draw the line between what is fact and what is fiction when you are trying to source information. So I guess like you, I trust my own instincts and if I am proved wrong, happy to admit it.

 

[gallagher]

So do you think that the stuff we have all read about Farah over the years in the press has contributed to opinions formed about him - assuming that none of us have ever actually witnessed the divisive things he has been accused of ? Lets face it we all choose to believe what we want by the press when it supports our own beliefs, and when it doesnt we denounce them of having any credibility.

Thats a fair point. But over years of following the game we work out who are reliable journos and who are just tabloid writers. Do you rate Rothfield and weidler as believable as any journo?

I think like all of us they are influenced by their own personal views as well as the desire to share a story first even if it is a rumour. None of them are accountable if they get it wrong and rarely do they ever publish it when they do - makes it difficult to draw the line between what is fact and what is fiction when you are trying to source information. So I guess like you, I trust my own instincts and if I am proved wrong, happy to admit it.

Fair call mate. Its sad journalism has sunk to the depths it is at now.

 

[PrattenParkMagpie]

The problems were never this bad, we were never in the media for poor welfare allegations. Yes we constntly had player fallouts with the coach, i am not defending Farah, he is continously in the media for the wrong reason but when you have **85% of your team** saying that they aren't be treated appropriately something is wrong. When this is being leaked in the media..something is very wrong.

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**85% of the players interviewed** complained of unacceptable conditions at the club

Read the article properly Milky, don’t just browse it

Big difference between 85% of the team and 85% of the players interviewed, for all we know <big>the amount of players interviewed could be as little as 5</bigand be all of Sam Ayoub’s clients

:laughing:

Who was the .5 of a person? There was a minimum of 14 players…

Excuse me?

I am trying to understand this, but sorry no, have no idea what you are on about, none of your post makes any sense.

14 and .5, where did you pluck those two figures from?

 

[ryanda01]

The problems were never this bad, we were never in the media for poor welfare allegations. Yes we constntly had player fallouts with the coach, i am not defending Farah, he is continously in the media for the wrong reason but when you have **85% of your team** saying that they aren't be treated appropriately something is wrong. When this is being leaked in the media..something is very wrong.

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**85% of the players interviewed** complained of unacceptable conditions at the club

Read the article properly Milky, don’t just browse it

Big difference between 85% of the team and 85% of the players interviewed, for all we know <big>the amount of players interviewed could be as little as 5</bigand be all of Sam Ayoub’s clients

:laughing:

Who was the .5 of a person? There was a minimum of 14 players…

Excuse me?

I am trying to understand this, but sorry no, have no idea what you are on about, none of your post makes any sense.

14 and .5, where did you pluck those two figures from?

I think there is an inference that mathimatically to get to 85%, with 5 people, 4/5 would be 80%. The reference to 14 is because 12/14 is 85.47% and closer to the number referenced. In any event, 85 is most likely a made up number; probably leaning closer to 80 but rounded up to the nearest 85.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

I won't believe any independent report unless it's written by Brian Smith!

 

[jirskyr]

The report alleges that 85% of player are unhappy with conditions. I don't see where it says 85% are unhappy with JT.

I would vote unhappy with conditions at my work to but it has to do with resources and procedures. I love my job and have a great boss. Very subjective and conveniently lacking details or examples.

On a side note, I neither hate or love JT. He's been given time to do want he wants and seems to be getting it. I'll judge him halfway through 2016, we'll have him till then regardless….

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Exactly right, where is the context?

At my work, they do surveys every year on employee engagement.

Questions like "are you happy with your relationship with your line manager" often rate quite highly, whereas "do you feel you have the tools and support to perform your job to the best of your ability" often rate lowly.

Depending on which question you choose to focus, you can make all sorts of inferences.

Responses about being "unhappy with conditions" could be anything at this point - general stress, lack of on-field success, fatigue, poor relationship with coach, lack of confidence in management, excessive media scrutiny, unrealistic goals / expectations, disappointment with pay grade, competition for positions, hard training, lack of facilities, lack of sponsorship / third-party potential, NRL oversight, Balmain solvency, etc..

We came second-last this year, why would we expect players to be happy with conditions anyway? What would the nay-sayers make of 85% of players being happy with conditions, given how poor the results were. I forsee: "You shouldn't be happy! Your performances are not good enough."

 

[balmain boy]

OK, i may have skipped a few pages, but did the NRLPA really hire Robbie's Lawyer to do an 'independent' report on the club?

That would be the pinnacle of stupidity. How could it be remotely independent if she's representing the captain of the club in his dispute against his employers?! lol

Even a Brian Smith report would have more credibility.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

OK, i may have skipped a few pages, but did the NRLPA really hire Robbie's Lawyer to do an 'independent' report on the club?

That would be the pinnacle of stupidity. How could it be remotely independent if she's representing the captain of the club in his dispute against his employers?! lol

Even a Brian Smith report would have more credibility.

I think that she was already working for the NRLPA before Farah was involved.
However my memory is mush, and the length of this thread would Test most memories
From memory it was at the time when HT was calling for a meeting of everyone involved,

 

[Geo]

I'm surprised the two of you weren't updated at the Taylor apologists weekly spin meeting.

What is exactly being alleged ? We could then make an informed decision no…?

I got tired Paws awaiting the details of what was being alleged but I will provide you with Taylor's response….

Taylor slammed a recent article questioning the state of player welfare at the club and insisted he’s under no more pressure at the Tigers than any other coach in the NRL. “I refute that absolutely and it is so far from the mark it’s not funny,” he stated.
“Every coach in the NRL is under pressure to perform, every single coach.”

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I'm surprised the two of you weren't updated at the Taylor apologists weekly spin meeting.

What is exactly being alleged ? We could then make an informed decision no…?

I got tired Paws awaiting the details of what was being alleged but I will provide you with Taylor's response….

Taylor slammed a recent article questioning the state of player welfare at the club and insisted he’s under no more pressure at the Tigers than any other coach in the NRL. “I refute that absolutely and it is so far from the mark it’s not funny,” he stated.
“Every coach in the NRL is under pressure to perform, every single coach.”

Don't expect him to reply when confronted with facts. Harold Holt has more of a chance of showing up than Paws.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Come on GNR, don't be like that. JT has enough problems right now and you know me I wouldn't like to add to them. To be fair I did provide a copy of the article for all to read.

 

[boonboon]

http://m.nrl.com/halatau-allays-tigers-welfare-concerns/tabid/10874/newsid/90726/default.aspx

Seems like Dene wasn't one of the players in the 85% and given he also works with the Welfare team I'd think his position is one worth taking note of

 

[gallagher]

http://m.nrl.com/halatau-allays-tigers-welfare-concerns/tabid/10874/newsid/90726/default.aspx

Seems like Dene wasn't one of the players in the 85% and given he also works with the Welfare team I'd think his position is one worth taking note of

Nah. I'll choose to believe the weasel, the ambulance chaser and the alcoholic journo.

 

[Geo]

Come on GNR, don't be like that. JT has enough problems right now and you know me I wouldn't like to add to them. To be fair I did provide a copy of the article for all to read.

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Halatau allays Tigers' welfare concerns
By Jack Brady
Mon, Nov 02, 2015 - 05:00PM
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Veteran Wests Tigers back-rower Dene Halatau has backed the player welfare system in place, and is happy to have re-signed with the club he won the 2005 NRL premiership with.
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With his upcoming contract involving both playing and his work within the Tigers' player welfare division, Halatau spoke on the contrary towards – as News Limited put it over the weekend – an independent report into the "abuse of players’ rights and conditions".
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Set for his third season since returning for his second stint at the Tigers, Halatau expressed his love for the club.
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"I don't think that's the truth. I came back to the Tigers for a reason, because I love the club and I had a great time in my first stint. Nothing's changed in that respect the second time," Halatau said.
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"I think [player welfare] is handled well. The NRL has good structures and systems across every club and they keep an eye on that from the top level.
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"We have a couple of good guys here and I do a little bit with them as well to help out so they're doing a fine job."
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Coach Jason Taylor also denied claims of player welfare mismanagement and said his relationship with most other players hasn't been damaged by events surrounding former captain Robbie Farah.
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"It is right as a club that we haven't had a great rating as far as our welfare goes in the past. When I say in the past I mean in the 2014 season rating of our welfare – because the NRL look at that with every club," Taylor said.
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"But we are confident we have improved that this year and we'll be improving that going forward. As far as my relationship with the players, I stand by it's a really strong relationship I have with majority of players.
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"As a coach you have tough conversations with individuals and the welfare arm steps in to sort any guys out who may need some help dealing with tough conversations and tough decisions."
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Meanwhile Halatau added the happiness and welfare of the club's youth was integral to the Tigers' future success.
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"They're only young still like 20, 21 years old. They're young guys and success may take a few years - you don't turn out to be a superstar at 21 – so it'll take some time," he said.
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"It's no secret the youth in the club and the talent they have. Keeping those guys around and making sure they develop into quality first grade footballers and consistent footballers is going to be the way forward for us.
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"Hopefully with myself being around and being experienced alongside a couple of others, we can bring these guys through and make sure they're happy and stay with the club long term, and hopefully have some success."

I'll just provide another article from a player actually at the Club for you to read Paws…Looks like Dene Halatau is caught in the spin...

 

[Clawdan]

The way robbie has been treated by this club is wrong! So wrong! This is all in retaliation to the way he has been treated, no doubt he will be doing all in his power to destroy taylor and everything around him, that is why all of this can be connected back to him or his manager and associates. I cant blame him for stirring up all these dramas, the club deserves it. but it is also the club i love and will support long after robbie has gone. Its such a horrid time for our club, robbie deserved better but i also dont want to see the club dragged down any lower.