More Tigers problems

[Pawsandclaws]

Come on GNR, don't be like that. JT has enough problems right now and you know me I wouldn't like to add to them. To be fair I did provide a copy of the article for all to read.

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Halatau allays Tigers' welfare concerns
By Jack Brady
Mon, Nov 02, 2015 - 05:00PM
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Veteran Wests Tigers back-rower Dene Halatau has backed the player welfare system in place, and is happy to have re-signed with the club he won the 2005 NRL premiership with.
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With his upcoming contract involving both playing and his work within the Tigers' player welfare division, Halatau spoke on the contrary towards – as News Limited put it over the weekend – an independent report into the "abuse of players’ rights and conditions".
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Set for his third season since returning for his second stint at the Tigers, Halatau expressed his love for the club.
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"I don't think that's the truth. I came back to the Tigers for a reason, because I love the club and I had a great time in my first stint. Nothing's changed in that respect the second time," Halatau said.
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"I think [player welfare] is handled well. The NRL has good structures and systems across every club and they keep an eye on that from the top level.
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"We have a couple of good guys here and I do a little bit with them as well to help out so they're doing a fine job."
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Coach Jason Taylor also denied claims of player welfare mismanagement and said his relationship with most other players hasn't been damaged by events surrounding former captain Robbie Farah.
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"It is right as a club that we haven't had a great rating as far as our welfare goes in the past. When I say in the past I mean in the 2014 season rating of our welfare – because the NRL look at that with every club," Taylor said.
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"But we are confident we have improved that this year and we'll be improving that going forward. As far as my relationship with the players, I stand by it's a really strong relationship I have with majority of players.
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"As a coach you have tough conversations with individuals and the welfare arm steps in to sort any guys out who may need some help dealing with tough conversations and tough decisions."
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Meanwhile Halatau added the happiness and welfare of the club's youth was integral to the Tigers' future success.
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"They're only young still like 20, 21 years old. They're young guys and success may take a few years - you don't turn out to be a superstar at 21 – so it'll take some time," he said.
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"It's no secret the youth in the club and the talent they have. Keeping those guys around and making sure they develop into quality first grade footballers and consistent footballers is going to be the way forward for us.
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"Hopefully with myself being around and being experienced alongside a couple of others, we can bring these guys through and make sure they're happy and stay with the club long term, and hopefully have some success."

I'll just provide another article from a player actually at the Club for you to read Paws…Looks like Dene Halatau is caught in the spin...

Thanks Geo. Reactive rather than pro-active press releases always raise more questions than they answer. Even more so when the player featured has recently signed a one year deal and is what 32 or 33 year? But keep spinning it Geo.

 

[boonboon]

All ofvthosevapply to Robbie paws

32 - st contract admittedly 2 more instead ofv1 but all reactive

 

[stevetiger]

I don't believe these player welfare comments now at all.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Come on GNR, don't be like that. JT has enough problems right now and you know me I wouldn't like to add to them. To be fair I did provide a copy of the article for all to read.

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Halatau allays Tigers' welfare concerns
By Jack Brady
Mon, Nov 02, 2015 - 05:00PM
>
Veteran Wests Tigers back-rower Dene Halatau has backed the player welfare system in place, and is happy to have re-signed with the club he won the 2005 NRL premiership with.
>
With his upcoming contract involving both playing and his work within the Tigers' player welfare division, Halatau spoke on the contrary towards – as News Limited put it over the weekend – an independent report into the "abuse of players’ rights and conditions".
>
Set for his third season since returning for his second stint at the Tigers, Halatau expressed his love for the club.
>
"I don't think that's the truth. I came back to the Tigers for a reason, because I love the club and I had a great time in my first stint. Nothing's changed in that respect the second time," Halatau said.
>
"I think [player welfare] is handled well. The NRL has good structures and systems across every club and they keep an eye on that from the top level.
>
"We have a couple of good guys here and I do a little bit with them as well to help out so they're doing a fine job."
>
Coach Jason Taylor also denied claims of player welfare mismanagement and said his relationship with most other players hasn't been damaged by events surrounding former captain Robbie Farah.
>
"It is right as a club that we haven't had a great rating as far as our welfare goes in the past. When I say in the past I mean in the 2014 season rating of our welfare – because the NRL look at that with every club," Taylor said.
>
"But we are confident we have improved that this year and we'll be improving that going forward. As far as my relationship with the players, I stand by it's a really strong relationship I have with majority of players.
>
"As a coach you have tough conversations with individuals and the welfare arm steps in to sort any guys out who may need some help dealing with tough conversations and tough decisions."
>
Meanwhile Halatau added the happiness and welfare of the club's youth was integral to the Tigers' future success.
>
"They're only young still like 20, 21 years old. They're young guys and success may take a few years - you don't turn out to be a superstar at 21 – so it'll take some time," he said.
>
"It's no secret the youth in the club and the talent they have. Keeping those guys around and making sure they develop into quality first grade footballers and consistent footballers is going to be the way forward for us.
>
"Hopefully with myself being around and being experienced alongside a couple of others, we can bring these guys through and make sure they're happy and stay with the club long term, and hopefully have some success."

I'll just provide another article from a player actually at the Club for you to read Paws…Looks like Dene Halatau is caught in the spin...

Thanks Geo. Reactive rather than pro-active press releases always raise more questions than they answer. Even more so when the player featured has recently signed a one year deal and is what 32 or 33 year? But keep spinning it Geo.

lol, one of your best…

Any release by the RLPA is also REACTIVE on the subject of Robbie Farah as they have previously backed his plight against the club.

And then you then go and question Dene's integrity. [considering he is actually quoted in the article]

:blah

 

[Guest]

One of his best alright Watto. still, some people choose to believe in the tooth fairy too.

 

[Telltails]

OK, i may have skipped a few pages, but did the NRLPA really hire Robbie's Lawyer to do an 'independent' report on the club?

That would be the pinnacle of stupidity. How could it be remotely independent if she's representing the captain of the club in his dispute against his employers?! lol

Even a Brian Smith report would have more credibility.

Lawyers deal in facts within the framework of the law . If she finds no facts to back the claim then there is no case to answer. Lawyers represent clients/ organisations in areas that they specialise in - its her expertise - Sports Law and the NRL Code of Conduct, If Wests Tigers are doing the right thing nothing to worry about.

 

[Telltails]

Come on GNR, don't be like that. JT has enough problems right now and you know me I wouldn't like to add to them. To be fair I did provide a copy of the article for all to read.

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Halatau allays Tigers' welfare concerns
By Jack Brady
Mon, Nov 02, 2015 - 05:00PM
>
Veteran Wests Tigers back-rower Dene Halatau has backed the player welfare system in place, and is happy to have re-signed with the club he won the 2005 NRL premiership with.
>
With his upcoming contract involving both playing and his work within the Tigers' player welfare division, Halatau spoke on the contrary towards – as News Limited put it over the weekend – an independent report into the "abuse of players’ rights and conditions".
>
Set for his third season since returning for his second stint at the Tigers, Halatau expressed his love for the club.
>
"I don't think that's the truth. I came back to the Tigers for a reason, because I love the club and I had a great time in my first stint. Nothing's changed in that respect the second time," Halatau said.
>
"I think [player welfare] is handled well. The NRL has good structures and systems across every club and they keep an eye on that from the top level.
>
"We have a couple of good guys here and I do a little bit with them as well to help out so they're doing a fine job."
>
Coach Jason Taylor also denied claims of player welfare mismanagement and said his relationship with most other players hasn't been damaged by events surrounding former captain Robbie Farah.
>
"It is right as a club that we haven't had a great rating as far as our welfare goes in the past. When I say in the past I mean in the 2014 season rating of our welfare – because the NRL look at that with every club," Taylor said.
>
"But we are confident we have improved that this year and we'll be improving that going forward. As far as my relationship with the players, I stand by it's a really strong relationship I have with majority of players.
>
"As a coach you have tough conversations with individuals and the welfare arm steps in to sort any guys out who may need some help dealing with tough conversations and tough decisions."
>
Meanwhile Halatau added the happiness and welfare of the club's youth was integral to the Tigers' future success.
>
"They're only young still like 20, 21 years old. They're young guys and success may take a few years - you don't turn out to be a superstar at 21 – so it'll take some time," he said.
>
"It's no secret the youth in the club and the talent they have. Keeping those guys around and making sure they develop into quality first grade footballers and consistent footballers is going to be the way forward for us.
>
"Hopefully with myself being around and being experienced alongside a couple of others, we can bring these guys through and make sure they're happy and stay with the club long term, and hopefully have some success."

I'll just provide another article from a player actually at the Club for you to read Paws…Looks like Dene Halatau is caught in the spin...

Thanks Geo. Reactive rather than pro-active press releases always raise more questions than they answer. Even more so when the player featured has recently signed a one year deal and is what 32 or 33 year? But keep spinning it Geo.

lol, one of your best…

Any release by the RLPA is also REACTIVE on the subject of Robbie Farah as they have previously backed his plight against the club.

And then you then go and question Dene's integrity. [considering he is actually quoted in the article]

:blah

Dene is a current director of the RPLA board - I think he knows what he is talking about in regard to the code of conduct - so good for the club in that regard. Funnily enough though he is also a member of the notorious "old boys club" that are regularly blamed for the culture that the club is trying to rid us of - go figure!

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The way robbie has been treated by this club is wrong! So wrong! This is all in retaliation to the way he has been treated, no doubt he will be doing all in his power to destroy taylor and everything around him, that is why all of this can be connected back to him or his manager and associates. I cant blame him for stirring up all these dramas, the club deserves it. but it is also the club i love and will support long after robbie has gone. Its such a horrid time for our club, robbie deserved better but i also dont want to see the club dragged down any lower.

Oh spare me. Long serving players get moved on, it's a part of the game these days.

The club had been respectful, they kept it quiet in order to allow Farah to sort his future out, and then someone (gee, wonder who?) leaks to the media that it's happening and then it becomes a farce? The club has to put out one reactive statement and all we have heard since is a barrage of claims of welfare issues, abuse of players, a dossier of unconscionable dealings and other unsubstantiated innuendo.

The kicker is that people believe that anyone in Farah's corner believes he has every right to see out his contract but see it perfectly fit that the corrective action to this is to sack the coach from **_his_** contract. The Farah club are all thinking with their hearts and while that's perfectly fine to back a player you love, it tends to cloud your judgement in the overall scheme of things. I think Farah's efforts have been disgraceful in using Ayoub as a vehicle to slander the club. It just proves how unprofessional and vindictive he can be as well and to be quite honest it is unbecoming of a club captain and sets a poor example for the kids in the side.

 

[balmain boy]

OK, i may have skipped a few pages, but did the NRLPA really hire Robbie's Lawyer to do an 'independent' report on the club?

That would be the pinnacle of stupidity. How could it be remotely independent if she's representing the captain of the club in his dispute against his employers?! lol

Even a Brian Smith report would have more credibility.

Lawyers deal in facts within the framework of the law . If she finds no facts to back the claim then there is no case to answer. Lawyers represent clients/ organisations in areas that they specialise in - its her expertise - Sports Law and the NRL Code of Conduct, If Wests Tigers are doing the right thing nothing to worry about.

I'm not sure you understand the concept of neutrality. A lack of bias. Like when members of jury are excused form a case for any perceived bias they may have for or against a client. Yes they are all supposed to deal with facts, but natural human instincts can override this in subtle manners.

Hiring a lawyer who is representing a client who feels mistreated by his club means she has already got a preconception of the club and its perceived level of care for it's players. That's her case for Robbie, and it would be hard for her to turn around and ignore Robbie's claims and look at the club welfare as a whole without being influenced by the arguments Robbie has given her.

And yes if we're doing the right thing there's nothing to worry about, but i'm sure all clubs could be doing more for player welfare. And budget probably places certain limitations on what we can do, however many welfare practices would be standardised by the NRL.

I feel the main issue would be encouraging players to seek help when they need it, rather than bottle things in. This is tricky to manage and we could probably be doing more here. As Dene retires he will hopefully be able to spend more time working on this as part of our back office team.

 

[851]

The way robbie has been treated by this club is wrong! So wrong! This is all in retaliation to the way he has been treated, no doubt he will be doing all in his power to destroy taylor and everything around him, that is why all of this can be connected back to him or his manager and associates. I cant blame him for stirring up all these dramas, the club deserves it. but it is also the club i love and will support long after robbie has gone. Its such a horrid time for our club, robbie deserved better but i also dont want to see the club dragged down any lower.

Oh spare me. Long serving players get moved on, it's a part of the game these days.

The club had been respectful, they kept it quiet in order to allow Farah to sort his future out, and then someone (gee, wonder who?) leaks to the media that it's happening and then it becomes a farce? The club has to put out one reactive statement and all we have heard since is a barrage of claims of welfare issues, abuse of players, a dossier of unconscionable dealings and other unsubstantiated innuendo.

The kicker is that people believe that anyone in Farah's corner believes he has every right to see out his contract but see it perfectly fit that the corrective action to this is to sack the coach from **_his_** contract. The Farah club are all thinking with their hearts and while that's perfectly fine to back a player you love, it tends to cloud your judgement in the overall scheme of things. I think Farah's efforts have been disgraceful in using Ayoub as a vehicle to slander the club. It just proves how unprofessional and vindictive he can be as well and to be quite honest it is unbecoming of a club captain and sets a poor example for the kids in the side.

And Taylor has covered himself in glory in this affair too I suppose.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I'm not Taylor's biggest fan at all, but has he engaged in a smear campaign against Farah through the media?

Totally similar behaviour. :unamused:

 

[851]

I'm not Taylor's biggest fan at all, but has he engaged in a smear campaign against Farah through the media?

Totally similar behaviour. :unamused:

I think for the club to move forward, both Farah and Taylor need to go.

 

[Abraham]

Lawyers deal in facts within the framework of the law . If she finds no facts to back the claim then there is no case to answer. Lawyers represent clients/ organisations in areas that they specialise in - its her expertise - Sports Law and the NRL Code of Conduct, If Wests Tigers are doing the right thing nothing to worry about.

Indeed they do deal in 'fact'.

However there is also such a thing as conflict of interest.

If this lady is representing Robbie against Taylor, and then making claims against Taylor in a related matter, then the Report is not worth the paper it is written on.

This 'report' is no more than a badly constructed joke. The RLPA should be hauled over the coals for this stunt.

 

[Tigermama]

So you think using Farah's Lawyer to do the report makes sense?

**My experience is that unions are not fair at all to employers.**

_Posted using RoarFEED 4.2.0_[/quote

Unions alongside two major consumers are largely behind the ruin of my industry. They forced two major leading companies into the can from demanding overly generous working conditions.

And the employers in the latest grocery chain scam were on the other hand , only trying to help out their employees by paying them 50% or what they were promised, then blackmailing them to stop them from saying anything ??
There's good and bad in both unions and employers!!!

Correct. Greed, ego, pride, personality clashes,bad business management and or decision making comes into it. Human failings.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I'm not Taylor's biggest fan at all, but has he engaged in a smear campaign against Farah through the media?

Totally similar behaviour. :unamused:

I think for the club to move forward, both Farah and Taylor need to go.

I don't disagree with this.

 

[batboy]

Lawyers deal in facts within the framework of the law . If she finds no facts to back the claim then there is no case to answer. Lawyers represent clients/ organisations in areas that they specialise in - its her expertise - Sports Law and the NRL Code of Conduct, If Wests Tigers are doing the right thing nothing to worry about.

Indeed they do deal in 'fact'.

However there is also such a thing as conflict of interest.

If this lady is representing Robbie against Taylor, and then making claims against Taylor in a related matter, then the Report is not worth the paper it is written on.

This 'report' is no more than a badly constructed joke. The RLPA should be hauled over the coals for this stunt.

Furthermore…
She should have deemed herself unavailable due to the previous matter and a conflict of interest.
No different when 2 parties use the same Lawyer. He can only act for one or neither....

 

[Telltails]

Lawyers deal in facts within the framework of the law . If she finds no facts to back the claim then there is no case to answer. Lawyers represent clients/ organisations in areas that they specialise in - its her expertise - Sports Law and the NRL Code of Conduct, If Wests Tigers are doing the right thing nothing to worry about.

Indeed they do deal in 'fact'.

However there is also such a thing as conflict of interest.

If this lady is representing Robbie against Taylor, and then making claims against Taylor in a related matter, then the Report is not worth the paper it is written on.

This 'report' is no more than a badly constructed joke. The RLPA should be hauled over the coals for this stunt.

Furthermore…
She should have deemed herself unavailable due to the previous matter and a conflict of interest.
No different when 2 parties use the same Lawyer. He can only act for one or neither....

So now you are questioning whether a barrister who works within legal system everyday is acting within her professional rights???? Dont worry - I think she may know what she is doing.

 

[stevetiger]

I'm not Taylor's biggest fan at all, but has he engaged in a smear campaign against Farah through the media?

Totally similar behaviour. :unamused:

I think for the club to move forward, both Farah and Taylor need to go.

I think they can both remain here for the next 2 years but Robbie needs to be gone at that point and JT needs to go unless there is massive improvement in his leadership and the teams performances.

All of the drama recently is getting beyond boring.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

In response to Batboy's supposed conflict of interest claim.

She is representing two parties to the same problem. Both times it is representing a player or a player association. At face value it looks like there is a consistency of interest if anything.

 

[Telltails]

OK, i may have skipped a few pages, but did the NRLPA really hire Robbie's Lawyer to do an 'independent' report on the club?

That would be the pinnacle of stupidity. How could it be remotely independent if she's representing the captain of the club in his dispute against his employers?! lol

Even a Brian Smith report would have more credibility.

Lawyers deal in facts within the framework of the law . If she finds no facts to back the claim then there is no case to answer. Lawyers represent clients/ organisations in areas that they specialise in - its her expertise - Sports Law and the NRL Code of Conduct, If Wests Tigers are doing the right thing nothing to worry about.

I'm not sure you understand the concept of neutrality. A lack of bias. Like when members of jury are excused form a case for any perceived bias they may have for or against a client. Yes they are all supposed to deal with facts, but natural human instincts can override this in subtle manners.

Hiring a lawyer who is representing a client who feels mistreated by his club means she has already got a preconception of the club and its perceived level of care for it's players. That's her case for Robbie, and it would be hard for her to turn around and ignore Robbie's claims and look at the club welfare as a whole without being influenced by the arguments Robbie has given her.

And yes if we're doing the right thing there's nothing to worry about, but i'm sure all clubs could be doing more for player welfare. And budget probably places certain limitations on what we can do, however many welfare practices would be standardised by the NRL.

I feel the main issue would be encouraging players to seek help when they need it, rather than bottle things in. This is tricky to manage and we could probably be doing more here. As Dene retires he will hopefully be able to spend more time working on this as part of our back office team.

A lawyer doesnt make the decisions a - judge/ tribunal does that once they have been presented the facts. You want to argue the facts you employ a defence lawyer. Each case is is treated individually in a court of law - not sure you understand the law. And quite frankly, rest assured that Jullieanne Levick understands the law better than most of us.