OFFICIAL Moses Mbye [Discussion]

[Telltails]

Milford will end up some where on a minimum contract and the pressure will be off but he is Mybe mark 2 - no real position and tried everywhere.

 

[2005magic]

If we have the dollars which we seem to do I'd pay out Packer for the rest of the year and get rid of him now. Similarly serious thought to exploring option of seeking a reduction in the value of Mbye's contract to reasonable value for next year. I dont think anyone else will take him but trying to reduce the value of remaining contract may open future doors for him. You never know. If he is not open to arbitration on it or something similar, let it be known.

 

[tig_prmz]

If we have the dollars which we seem to do I'd pay out Packer for the rest of the year and get rid of him now. Similarly serious thought to exploring option of seeking a reduction in the value of Mbye's contract to reasonable value for next year. I dont think anyone else will take him but trying to reduce the value of remaining contract may open future doors for him. You never know. If he is not open to arbitration on it or something similar, let it be known.

getting rid of Packer wouldn't help at all. We won't get any cap dispensation. Mbye, we could pay him whatever we can this year so we have wiggle room next year. If he's on 700K this year and 750 next, we could pay him $1m this year if we have the room. The Maumalo signing may hurt us if we want to do this for other players as well.

 

[jadtiger]

If we have the dollars which we seem to do I'd pay out Packer for the rest of the year and get rid of him now. Similarly serious thought to exploring option of seeking a reduction in the value of Mbye's contract to reasonable value for next year. I dont think anyone else will take him but trying to reduce the value of remaining contract may open future doors for him. You never know. If he is not open to arbitration on it or something similar, let it be known.

There is no point to getting rid of Slacker now.He is gone at the end of the season.MBye is taking money under false pretences(like Slacker) and i reckon would be zero chance of taking reduced money next year.Thanks Ivan for inflicting these 2 parasites on our club

 

[Sco77y]

If we have the dollars which we seem to do I'd pay out Packer for the rest of the year and get rid of him now. Similarly serious thought to exploring option of seeking a reduction in the value of Mbye's contract to reasonable value for next year. I dont think anyone else will take him but trying to reduce the value of remaining contract may open future doors for him. You never know. If he is not open to arbitration on it or something similar, let it be known.

getting rid of Packer wouldn't help at all. We won't get any cap dispensation. Mbye, we could pay him whatever we can this year so we have wiggle room next year. If he's on 700K this year and 750 next, we could pay him $1m this year if we have the room. The Maumalo signing may hurt us if we want to do this for other players as well.

Can you believe Mbye is entitled to over $1M in remaining salary. Wow.. Most people would be set for life with that kind of short term cash and this guy is chilling out, running around like a reserve grader for it. Cleary essentially handed him a winning lottery ticket.

 

[Guest]

Can't we just medically retire Mbye?
Have a doctor examine him and confirm he has no heart?

 

[TrueTiger]

Mbye 3 x as many runs for almost 4 x as many metres. Moses never even got tackled. Moses missed 9 tackles to Mbyes 3.
Mbye isnt even Moses league as a tanker, but he still has time.

Oh that Mitch Moses game is the all-time tank. Only time in my life I thought a player played badly on purpose. Just refused to tackle. Even my Souths brother-in-law messaged me to ask what the deal with Moses was.

Hated the bloke ever since.

On the other hand I think Mbye does try, he's just lost all semblance of confidence. The bloke has played grand finals and Origin, but 2021 Mbye is a shadow of anything he was.

I like to give all players an opportunity to show their skills when with us...Mbye was a talented player who reached the origin arena...I agree that he isnt who he was when he came to us,Im not saying he doesnt try,he has always represented the club and team to the best of his abilities and doesnt degrade the team or club...In my honest opinion his form has faultered in recent times because he wasnt a suitable captain,he was shuffled from position to position to make up for our deficiencies,had injuries and now is put along side Luke to get him to play his best football and that has shown much improvement...
I have said it before,Mbyes career is coming to an end and if I was to classify him it would be a very good versatile 14 ...I dont want to chastise him for being highly paid,that was the club and Ivans doing,he is also a decent person who really shouldnt be the only person humiliated on the forum when so many others arent toeing the line within the team and club in general..He is here because of a contract that was approved by the club,it was to big for our club at the time and just goes to show how Ivan wanted to buy a team instead of developing our fine juniors,funnily enough he abandoned us to go back to a club that were intent on developing juniors that Gould had started and now Ivan is getting the benefit of that...
Ivan is the one to blame for where we are atm money wise...It will get better we just have to face a little more pain before the door of glory opens up....

 

[Geo]

Looks like poll results are in ..

Now wot we do…

 

[Sco77y]

Looks like poll results are in ..

Now wot we do…

Send Pascoe and Madge the link :joy:

 

[mike]

Do we keep Mbye. Easy short answer: NO.

 

[TrueTiger]

Do we keep Mbye. Easy short answer: NO.

Im with you Mike because of his high salary and dip in form....To be honest he isnt the only one who has been employed over the years because of reputation and hasnt met the expectations...(Blair comes to mind for us) but many others at other NRL clubs as well...

 

[tig_prmz]

If we have the dollars which we seem to do I'd pay out Packer for the rest of the year and get rid of him now. Similarly serious thought to exploring option of seeking a reduction in the value of Mbye's contract to reasonable value for next year. I dont think anyone else will take him but trying to reduce the value of remaining contract may open future doors for him. You never know. If he is not open to arbitration on it or something similar, let it be known.

getting rid of Packer wouldn't help at all. We won't get any cap dispensation. Mbye, we could pay him whatever we can this year so we have wiggle room next year. If he's on 700K this year and 750 next, we could pay him $1m this year if we have the room. The Maumalo signing may hurt us if we want to do this for other players as well.

Can you believe Mbye is entitled to over $1M in remaining salary. Wow.. Most people would be set for life with that kind of short term cash and this guy is chilling out, running around like a reserve grader for it. Cleary essentially handed him a winning lottery ticket.

I know I can be pro-Mbye sometime but I hate that sort of talk.

Mbye is an elite athlete. When the other kids might have been at home playing Xbox, he would've been at the park practicing kicking, getting his fitness up and doing sprint drills. Yes $1m is a lot of money but there is a lot of sacrifice him and his family would've made to get him to that position.

And that applies to most first graders. Whether it be Milford or Norman or Hunt who people think are overpaid.

 

[happy_tiger]

Do we keep Mbye. Easy short answer: NO.

Like my response for the Madge sacking thread ..when we have a replacement who is better ...let him go .....as bad as he has been ...no one currently at the club could do better ...even with him injured .....

 

[voice_of_reason]

Mbye is an elite athlete. When the other kids might have been at home playing Xbox, he would've been at the park practicing kicking, getting his fitness up and doing sprint drills. Yes $1m is a lot of money but there is a lot of sacrifice him and his family would've made to get him to that position.

To keep that in perspective, if you ever visit a heart surgeon, he's probably studied for 10 or 12 years, made huge sacrifices both socially and economically, come out with a HUGE educational debt, and likely gets paid less than many average first graders.

Football players are overpaid. I'm assuming they'd all still play if they made $100,000 p/a as most of them aren't going to get a job anywhere else. The salary cap is a victim of the game itself. (Some) clubs are creaking under the pressure and we're paying these self-entitled sportsmen more than the Premiers, Prime Minister, Head of the Reserve Bank etc.

I wonder how Paul Vaughan would go running our economy? He'd probably start with a massive BBQ...

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Do we keep Mbye. Easy short answer: NO.

Like my response for the Madge sacking thread ..when we have a replacement who is better ...let him go .....as bad as he has been ...no one currently at the club could do better ...even with him injured .....

I agree that Marshall was a liability, but Mbye is even more!
So Mbye - > sell ASP, the AD at 5/8, Cooper to the RC!

 

[Newtown]

Mbye is an elite athlete. When the other kids might have been at home playing Xbox, he would've been at the park practicing kicking, getting his fitness up and doing sprint drills. Yes $1m is a lot of money but there is a lot of sacrifice him and his family would've made to get him to that position.

To keep that in perspective, if you ever visit a heart surgeon, he's probably studied for 10 or 12 years, made huge sacrifices both socially and economically, come out with a HUGE educational debt, and likely gets paid less than many average first graders.

Football players are overpaid. I'm assuming they'd all still play if they made $100,000 p/a as most of them aren't going to get a job anywhere else. The salary cap is a victim of the game itself. (Some) clubs are creaking under the pressure and we're paying these self-entitled sportsmen more than the Premiers, Prime Minister, Head of the Reserve Bank etc.

I wonder how Paul Vaughan would go running our economy? He'd probably start with a massive BBQ...

NRL players are fast becoming second in line to used car sellers as the most hated profession.

 

[tig_prmz]

Mbye is an elite athlete. When the other kids might have been at home playing Xbox, he would've been at the park practicing kicking, getting his fitness up and doing sprint drills. Yes $1m is a lot of money but there is a lot of sacrifice him and his family would've made to get him to that position.

To keep that in perspective, if you ever visit a heart surgeon, he's probably studied for 10 or 12 years, made huge sacrifices both socially and economically, come out with a HUGE educational debt, and likely gets paid less than many average first graders.

Football players are overpaid. I'm assuming they'd all still play if they made $100,000 p/a as most of them aren't going to get a job anywhere else. The salary cap is a victim of the game itself. (Some) clubs are creaking under the pressure and we're paying these self-entitled sportsmen more than the Premiers, Prime Minister, Head of the Reserve Bank etc.

I wonder how Paul Vaughan would go running our economy? He'd probably start with a massive BBQ...

I work with surgeons and I'd say they are underpaid TBH.

The sportsstars getting $1m a year are some of the fittest and strongest physical specimen. They're not getting paid that to just "chil" and "show up to games"as per the post that I quoted.

They work hard or have worked hard to get where they are and I like many on here have worked with elite sports teams. There is a lot of physical and mental sacrifice which is being disrespected by posts like that.

 

[Sco77y]

When the other kids might have been at home playing Xbox, he would’ve been at the park practicing kicking, getting his fitness up and doing sprint drills.

I hate to say it, but most kids, no matter how hard they train will never reach that level. It's a combination of that and natural ability/genetics. There are outliers but they're rare - and that applies to all sports.

Are you saying that other people don't make sacrifices? Parents sending their kids to school is one, paying for their upbringing etc. and then there's uni and other studies for anyone going down that path, small businesses who put their life into making a good go of it. The list goes on.

It's not like no one else makes sacrifices..

Mbye's value does not equate to $1M, all things considered. Not only does it not equate, it's actually pretty insane. It's Cleary's/the club's fault, 100% - not blaming Mbye for that . But I think people just naturally lose respect when a player like Mbye loses all form and at times doesn't appear to put in any effort/care.

 

[voice_of_reason]

They're not getting paid that to just "chil" and "show up to games"as per the post that I quoted.

They work hard or have worked hard to get where they are and I like many on here have worked with elite sports teams.

Oh I agree, I know a few Olympians in a minor sport (Judo) and you wouldn't believe what they have to do to represent their country. Elite athletes work hard but they also do it by choice.

What they do is incomparable with the knowledge and capabilities of health care professionals, academics and STEM professors. As someone who's been under the knife many times, I fully appreciate the training they've had.

For example, the last op I had was a spinal fusion - 4.5 hours of super delicate work around the spinal cord. Surgery cost was about $4,000. Most players make more for 80 minutes - even when losing by 50.

 

[TillLindemann]

Do we keep Mbye. Easy short answer: NO.

Like my response for the Madge sacking thread ..when we have a replacement who is better ...let him go .....as bad as he has been ...no one currently at the club could do better ...even with him injured .....

I was saying the same a month ago, but after watching him on the weekend nobody could actually do worse than Mbye. He might have a few drops of talent left in him, but he has no enthusiasm whatsoever. He just doesn't seem to care anymore.