OFFICIAL Moses Mbye [Discussion]

[Jock Koss]

@Furious1 I’ll 110% agree with that mate, very fair point and covers base with what I’m suggesting, I mean it’s just not likely Madge goes “well the team played atrocious but you’re our fullback and captain.. so I’m dropping you indefinitely” ! That’s not a good culture

Masters was far worse IMHO.

 

[happy_tiger]

@Furious1 I’ll 110% agree with that mate, very fair point and covers base with what I’m suggesting, I mean it’s just not likely Madge goes “well the team played atrocious but you’re our fullback and captain.. so I’m dropping you indefinitely” ! That’s not a good culture

Masters was far worse IMHO.

Marsters wasn't great , but he was marking the most damaging running back in the game ...why weren't we trying to load up on him

Yet again people need to realize it is the FULLBACK's job to see what is coming and organize the defence to counter it

Every opportunity the Roosters had they tried to isolate Mitchell on Marsters ....wasn't like it was going to be a secret ....why isn't Mbye screaming his lungs out organizing the defence

And just before someone says maybe he was ......then if that the case as CAPTAIN and FULLBACK why isn't he giving players a right royal bullocking in the in goal

Watch any of the good fullbacks ... if defenders aren't listening they let the players know about it

Anyone watch the video of Michael Gordon .....pretty much what happens ...and then you get a Slater he literally ripped blokes for not listening

 

[jirskyr]

As a fullback you are positioning yourself for kicks so the kicker is putting the ball where he DOESN"T want to put it …creating more help for your players who are trying to put kick pressure on the kicker

That's not true of bombs? Bombs the kicker puts it exactly where he wants to - high, wobbly and with enough time for his team-mates to arrive. It's got nothing to do with how your FB positions himself.

 

[jirskyr]

Yet again people need to realize it is the FULLBACK’s job to see what is coming and organize the defence to counter it

What I'll say to this is Tedesco is arguably the best fullback in the game and Tigers were letting in tries left, right and centre when he was "organising the defence".

Not that I am specifically disagreeing with you, just it's much easier to marshall what is already a competent defence, same as it's much easier for halves to get try assists with an already talented backline.

 

[happy_tiger]

As a fullback you are positioning yourself for kicks so the kicker is putting the ball where he DOESN"T want to put it …creating more help for your players who are trying to put kick pressure on the kicker

That's not true of bombs? Bombs the kicker puts it exactly where he wants to - high, wobbly and with enough time for his team-mates to arrive. It's got nothing to do with how your FB positions himself.

Well if you can force a kicker who is less likely to drop an accurate bomb over a greater distance you'll will stand slightly flatter

Most kickers prefer to have their bombs move right to left or left to right off the boot ...forcing them into a smaller window on a less preferred side with good kick pressure and opening the side of the field that they less prefer ....

One point though ....look back at which player this season who has provided the best kick pressure from the WT's

One R Packer .....

 

[Jock Koss]

@happy_tiger Actually just saw Rusty pulling up at leichhardt marketplace to do the shopping presumably the mrs. wasn't up to it today. He looked angry. He looked keen for a test in the west !!! Mbye must be better but I think it does all come back to the centre of the ruck like we had the same discussions and debates with eachother over whether Nof was truly responsible for letting in so many tries?

He wasn't & even then nobody agreed. That kind of desire in defence from Packer which I see even less of from mats (except he has great natural technique) and a bitta speed off the mark (liddle?) is exactly what we need for the 'Riff game, no Aloiai impact either :/ but no doubt really it all falls down to Brooks as he will be the first one looking for a new club come 2021 if no finals to speak of.... he is our HALFBACK and that is what I played/five-eighth... you need to encompass the skills of both pretty well sometimes but I was turning 18 when Brooksy debuted, so paid close attention and his defence cannot be questioned. Honestly though, 3/4 weeks per month he's like a wet towel in attack - that has not changed regardless of Anasta, Austin, Morris, Moses, Marshall and in last years game where I thought we might turn it on '05 style for once we were towelled up by the Raiders.... think about their halves this year just getting the damn job done. I don't have an explanation but Liddle MUST be apart of this club moving forward and Brooks must show leadership regardless of Mbye's captain status AND I MEAN THIS YEAR, NEXT WEEK, now or no cigar!

What better bloody opportunity to try and show up the guy who obviously thought his son is twice the player that you'll ever be (motivation Mbye wouldn't have and yet as a fullback will still DEFS put his body on the line in this game) and I feel we're yet to see the best of the trio i've just mentioned - heck if i've turned 23 waiting for L. B to come good then you lot can wait a season to see if our fullback has indeed somehow lost his ability to play the game and if a few key spine positional tweaks can have us all back laughing at how good we actually did look for the first few rounds this year. Last year we had a coach with no heart and this year one is pushing them on to more dizzying heights/efforts than previously put in anywhere within the club - it's an oozing losing culture that madge is hammering out and tbh with you wouldn't surprise me if somebody like Cheeks, Marsters or Brooks couldn't hack it because they all act like princesses. Believe me all of this isn't just late nights of regret and thought about our team/club/supporters' position but a call from my heart to really let the juniors lose and have Marshall on an ambassador roll INSTEAD of one R. Farah who has more than made a mozza out of this whole situation whilst simultaneously letting Pascoe get back to smoothly running things behind the scenes and having a coach in full control of everything footy field related on the Choo-choo train to finals. Trust me, if the players are pussing up already about training effort and complaining the behaviour standards are too much then that clean-out might even just be some of the players nobody wants to go - you know why I won't care? Players do want to play for madge and even Bennett won't net the Rabbits another premiership, i'm telling you that now. If we come out lacklustre this weekend then you can be sure it ain't the coach or captains fault and that its likely to be an unhappy bunch somewhere in the playing or maybe 'leaders' group of our great club.

Put simply = moses the best of a pretty bad bunch and willing to follow madge's lead at all times - because he knows working like a dog means results will come. Have faith

I'm not worried about this year now because it's in elder statesmen's hands not to mention that NRL try to rort us in every way possible just about ensuring that each year we are right down the bottom of likelihoods to make the 8. How can they not think that that unconscious bias isn't slipping into some of the weaker referees heads... we got some very, very dodgy calls on Saturday and early on too. Most people won't wanna go back but I did and feel like we got the rough end of a stick on which many clubs currently sit on (arguably even the Storm). As I said, if we can beat penrith and Raiders this year WHEN IT COUNTS then there's four points we will not need come september and the Broncs can have them.

 

[Geo]

That was very hard to read @DieHarder but yeah man I'm with you

WINNING STARTS MONDAY

 

[Jock Koss]

@Geo hehe sorry Geo, still working out my spacing and paragraphing on new lappy

 

[The_Patriot]

Worst fullback in the comp but obviously the best brown nose

 

[momo_amp_medo]

@DieHarder
If I could find a thumbs up Icon on this new site .... I’d click it.
Hard to read but good post. From the heart!

 

[Hbom]

@DieHarder That is epic.

 

[rustycage]

Seems I have a follower.....great :confounded:

 

[jirskyr]

Thought I'd revisit this thread.

Fast-forward from a night the forwards are being dominated and the Easts defence is swarming all evening, to a night where the forwards are even and the Tigers ball shift is VERY effective against the Penrith wide defence...

Moses Mbye? 1 try, 122 rm, 4 tb, 1 LBA, 10 tackles (1 missed) & 2 errors. Certainly he dropped another difficult bomb and one other mistake, but he was also instrumental in the attacking raids and pulled off two top-tier try saving tackles on Mansour (impressive that one was a Sattler-style legs swipe and another a body-check on a much bigger man).

Is Moses Mbye still the worst fullback in the comp? Should Brooks really be dropped to reggies as others have suggested? It seems pretty clear to me that if we play the right game and get on top, players like Brooks and Mbye can really show what they are capable of. But if the rest of the team is dominated, your attacking flair gets stifled too. I think some fans often look too much at individual performances, rather than the sum of individual performances and how those effect each other - i.e. if the forwards don't do their job, the backs can't... and vice versa.

Certainly there is a type of footballer who can do amazing things even when his team is being dominated, but we don't have one of those - no Latrell, Tedesco, Cronk, Cameron Smith, Milford etc. Funny how Roosters seem to have most of those type of footballers.

Lots of people were complaining during the wee that Madge was not not dropping enough other players as a result of their performances (though I personally think he's the most drop-happy coach we've ever had), but instead of hooking everyone and promoting all the nuffies, a bit of a rethink and a reshuffle and he's got an improved output from the same players. So an interesting comment from Madge, specific to Mbye:

>“Mbye has been challenged around his game but I thought he owned up tonight.
>"He saved two certain tries and I think that was a real special piece of what he did. It shows a lot of selflessness around the way he went about the game.

So it might not be specifically spelled-out in team selections, but obviously Madge is being frank with his players about expectations and output. Players like Packer are already in reggies, others that have mixed weeks and lack consistency - they are aware that they need to meet expectations.

And isn't that the true mark of a good professional footballer, that when they inevitably have bad weeks, they take on feedback, meet the coach's challenge and bring their game back to where it should be?

 

[Telltails]

If Mybe plays with that level of urgency and commitment every week then the critics will lay off him. He was in the game from the get go and played great. That doesn't excuse some of his previous poor performances, but it does show what he is capable, of so we are entitled to expect more of the same.

 

[Harvey]

He was good last night and I will give him credit.

He was good against the titans and I gave him credit.

If he plays like that every week, he is a good signing. If he plays like he has the other 6 weeks, he is a dud.

He doesn't need to to be great every week, just needs to be consistent with very few ordinary games.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Please have the same form against tbr storm nec round please

 

[WeHaveCheeKam]

He was good last night. And by good, I say just good, not amazing. Was great to see him put his body on the line a bit defensively.

 

[Hbom]

@WeHaveCheeKam I agree. I was scathing aftervthe roosters game. Last night was the standard we should expect. Good effort.

 

[Tweed_Tiger]

Gutho could take this title after his game tonight.

 

[Nelson]

Gutho could take this title after his game tonight.

He's had a few games like that over the last few weeks and in his bad games I've noticed him doing a lot of whining to the refs. He needs to grow up and get the shoulder-slumping and excuse-making out of his game and get on with his job. Mentally fragile and not worth his requested $700K per season at the moment. The Melbourne fullback depth looks much better value for money for a team shopping for a fullback at the moment...