OFFICIAL Moses Mbye [Discussion]

[balmain boy]

I wonder if people realise he could have easily scored a double in the last 15 mins against the Roosters? Denied by the post once and a great tackle on the second. After Liddle came on and we got some speed and directness to our attack both Brooks and Mbye looked a thousand percent better.

He was also a fullback for a team conceding 60% possession and 70% territory to the best team in the comp. The Roosters have easily the best halves combo in the comp and they picked us apart with pinpoint kicks from finishing each set 30m from our line. Every fullback in the league would have been massively tested in that situation. Mbye isn't in the elite bracket of fullbacks and so yes he struggled. Each kick was perfectly placed though. No other team can do this with the same consistency.

Defending the line he does need to improve his positioning and put his body on the line more. That's a skill he needs to learn quickly. The try the roosters scored under the posts should have been stopped. That said hodgo was rolled in that same position for most of his career yet everyone seems to think he was the world's greatest fullback.

Let's see what he does next week. Don't be alarmed when he's named at fullback tomorrow. Because he will be names at 1. Please let's not have a dozen threads popping up bashing him.

We got back in the game at 18-12 and his bad call to basically not either contest the bomb or then wrap up the player who did defuse the bomb is serious amateur hour stuff

No one questions he has a good running game when on , but his main focus (and the roosters ) was hammering him with high balls

And he missed 3 ....had 2 loose carries

But the original play ...was a game changer ....we probably had our best defensive set leading up to that play

This game was all going to be about hanging with the Roosters for as long as possible and as far as I'm concerned Mbye commitment to the biggest play in the game (as it turned out ) was pathetic

So you thought he should have anticipated the perfect midfield bomb and been standing 35m out? Or been able to out jump someone who's almost a metre taller than him all up?

 

[happy_tiger]

I wonder if people realise he could have easily scored a double in the last 15 mins against the Roosters? Denied by the post once and a great tackle on the second. After Liddle came on and we got some speed and directness to our attack both Brooks and Mbye looked a thousand percent better.

He was also a fullback for a team conceding 60% possession and 70% territory to the best team in the comp. The Roosters have easily the best halves combo in the comp and they picked us apart with pinpoint kicks from finishing each set 30m from our line. Every fullback in the league would have been massively tested in that situation. Mbye isn't in the elite bracket of fullbacks and so yes he struggled. Each kick was perfectly placed though. No other team can do this with the same consistency.

Defending the line he does need to improve his positioning and put his body on the line more. That's a skill he needs to learn quickly. The try the roosters scored under the posts should have been stopped. That said hodgo was rolled in that same position for most of his career yet everyone seems to think he was the world's greatest fullback.

Let's see what he does next week. Don't be alarmed when he's named at fullback tomorrow. Because he will be names at 1. Please let's not have a dozen threads popping up bashing him.

We got back in the game at 18-12 and his bad call to basically not either contest the bomb or then wrap up the player who did defuse the bomb is serious amateur hour stuff

No one questions he has a good running game when on , but his main focus (and the roosters ) was hammering him with high balls

And he missed 3 ....had 2 loose carries

But the original play ...was a game changer ....we probably had our best defensive set leading up to that play

This game was all going to be about hanging with the Roosters for as long as possible and as far as I'm concerned Mbye commitment to the biggest play in the game (as it turned out ) was pathetic

So you thought he should have anticipated the perfect midfield bomb and been standing 35m out? Or been able to out jump someone who's almost a metre taller than him all up?

No I'm telling as a person who played fullback for many years you make a decision one way or the other .....you either can reach the bomb or you tie up the man who is going to catch the bomb

He did neither .....that is amateur stuff .....don't you think

He was there ....you can't argue that .....and then does neither attempt to tie The roosters player up ....

If he gets thrown off ...those things happen .....but he doesn't even attempt to tie the new Roosters backrower up ....remember it was last tackle ....even if he had hung on for half a second he buys time for the players to get back

 

[happy_tiger]

I guess the other hard thing ( and this is probably very arguable ) that in the last 10-11 seasons we have had some decent / good back up options at fullback

Players like Gallant , Mitch Brown , Wade McKinnon , Moltzen , Naiqama , Simona to a lesser degree few others slip my mind

Fullback is such an important position in the modern game ...having a decent back up is vital

But more importantly your No 1 needs to be good

 

[Furious1]

You can improve every skill in the book. If you're not prepared to put your body on the line EVERY single time the opportunity arises in this game then your value to the team decreases significantly. Mbye is in the top two fullbacks in the game at the moment. I can't split him and Darius as to who is most unwilling to take the hit. It's unfortunate, that we finally have a fullback as good as Boyd, only Boyd is jostling for Mbye as the worst in the game.

 

[Geo]

I thnk it's funny when our halves put up kicks like that they are regarded as crap ..when the Rorters do it they are deemed pin point accurate bombs..

Maybe we need to work harder on the chase bit..

 

[Jock Koss]

@Furious1 Mbye-bye ain’t that bad 😂

 

[happy_tiger]

@Geo

Or block off the chasers better ...legally of course lol

 

[Newtown]

I think we should have a look at Dylan Edwards. Down on confidence and looks like Cleary doesn’t want him.

No doubt he’d be our best fullback, kicks goals and could be a bargain.

Edwards is the one we need.

 

[Sunnycoast_tiger]

@Newtown Maybe we can do a swap with Panthers Mbye for Edwards.

 

[earl]

@jirskyr - that is a great post.

I think Mbye is one of the few players we have who has some spark. Brooks, Liddle and Mbye are the only guys who have spark.

The only forwards who get us going forward are Aloiai and Mikaele.

Matterson is great but he isn't a middle forward who gets us rolling forward.

 

[rustycage]

@DieHarder oh right, last year's full back coach was better so that's why he's struggling. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[NT_Tiger]

@Earl
Spark? Thompson?

 

[The_Patriot]

S.P.A.R.K

Sad
Pathetic
Average
Rubbish
Kill me now

 

[Jock Koss]

@rustycage You seem to have misinterpreted again the context, continuity and constant factor that Madge is a forwards man, and an excellent group/man manager. Brooks and Mbye are shy as I previously pointed out (multiple times as well) for the special people like yourself, so Michael has QUITE Obviously had less time to see just how and where Mbye fits into a much larger picture. Not only is he our captain, again, making u seem a lot less smart than you probably are for not getting my jist?

But he’s also the smartest footy bloke we have in our side with Rowdy out for an extended period and constantly this season - with a serious lack of quality around him in the backs he has up until Saturday worked more &Ss off than your toilet seat’s even seen. Mlay off posting for a while, ur a touch rusty hahaha thinking he’s the reason we flogged... you seriously saying that the same Moses Mbye from some of our most quality games in years last year is the one who’s responsible for a poor team display Saturday?

Dunno why you even bothered replying to be that negative mate, nobody else is slitting their wrists and I certainly expect that Madge will have a sit down and lay out some expectations this week.

Again - cause you did NOT hear me the first time lmao, it’s an opinion so next time you wanna be a smart Alec chief maybe come up with a suggestion yourself and not some three word rhetoric because IDK, most fans I know don’t come out and bag somebody out for offering up information they think may be relevant.
Did ya know Ivan Smeary was a fullback too? 👍

 

[Jock Koss]

Someone had a dig at me a few weeks back when i suggested he was realistically bottom 4 as far as fullbacks went. Threw a few names up in the air to warrant his view. I'll stick to my views and suggest he's bottom for and sliding fast. We all make mistakes, and I think Madge has made a major balls up in making him captain. Suddenly, multiple leaders may not be such a bad idea. For the life of me, i can't see why a proven consistent performer isn't selected. Mbye has pretty much lost me - not only has a fullback.

Sorry! I’ll retract one of the previous statements made because you actually do want what’s best for the team and r keen for a five-man IC style leadership group again. What a fantastic idea.
On another note it’s the toughest position in the game and he has done wonders for our defence barring parra and last weekend - If you’d been chucked around by des through at least four different positions over your first five years in grade and yet virtually carried that bulldogs team with very lacklustre backs - if Madge has made a balls up already then heck! Bring the bloody pitchforks out mate, see where your train of thought leads.. if u won’t trust captain our captain then please don’t tell me you think Maguire is somehow not up to the job. Would not surprise at all tbh after reviewing just two or three of your posts - deal with losses better

 

[Harvey]

Does anyone have his defensive stats. Tackles made vs tackles missed?

I don’t think they keep stats on when players pull up and avoid contact

 

[Furious1]

@DieHarder Probably not consistently, but they certainly share the traits.

 

[jirskyr]

Mbye undoubtedly contributed to Roosters opportunities with dropped kicks for sure. However, fullbacks only need to worry about deadly kicks when either the kickers are elite (which they were) or their team does nothing to stop those kicks (which we didn't).

At some point, if your fullback is being inundated with horrendous bombs, you need to ask yourself why the opposition can do that, rather than simply pointing fingers at the fullback for not fielding countless horrendous bombs. It's like focusing on why the fullback fails to make cover tackles when the front line is letting through 40 missed tackles per game.

So of course fullback should field all kicks, but his capacity to do this starts to wane when the opposition drops bombs on him at will, with a full defending line on his hammer. I don't think they ever keep stats on bombs defused under different types of pressure, but ultimately Mbye also *took* a large number of difficult kicks - because there were literally 15+ bombs dropped on us, that's all the Roosters did all game. Roosters rolled through 60m per set then dropped bombs from 40 out.

For me, the real turning point was Marsters and he shoulders the blame for the point where Roosters took ascendancy. Roosters split his side w Fonua for try 1. Marsters drops the ball cold from a hitup close to the line and then fails to cover Toupou for the next try (he was there to make the tackle after Fonua came in, but just turnstyled it). Marsters gets thrown off like a ragdoll by Latrell for Try 3.

That's 18 points on Marsters' side scored by or set up by the bloke Marsters is supposed to be marking.

And that's goodnight nurse, 18-6 to Roosters, what team currently is arresting that momentum shift?

So if you are going to finger a bloke for high contribution to the loss, Marsters is first. And Marsters involvement in tries or almost-tries... nil?

 

[TheDaBoss]

I really hope for the sake of mbye and the fans, that he takes a turn and resurrects his old form

 

[happy_tiger]

Mbye undoubtedly contributed to Roosters opportunities with dropped kicks for sure. However, fullbacks only need to worry about deadly kicks when either the kickers are elite (which they were) or their team does nothing to stop those kicks (which we didn't).

At some point, if your fullback is being inundated with horrendous bombs, you need to ask yourself why the opposition can do that, rather than simply pointing fingers at the fullback for not fielding countless horrendous bombs. It's like focusing on why the fullback fails to make cover tackles when the front line is letting through 40 missed tackles per game.

So of course fullback should field all kicks, but his capacity to do this starts to wane when the opposition drops bombs on him at will, with a full defending line on his hammer. I don't think they ever keep stats on bombs defused under different types of pressure, but ultimately Mbye also *took* a large number of difficult kicks - because there were literally 15+ bombs dropped on us, that's all the Roosters did all game. Roosters rolled through 60m per set then dropped bombs from 40 out.

For me, the real turning point was Marsters and he shoulders the blame for the point where Roosters took ascendancy. Roosters split his side w Fonua for try 1. Marsters drops the ball cold from a hitup close to the line and then fails to cover Toupou for the next try (he was there to make the tackle after Fonua came in, but just turnstyled it). Marsters gets thrown off like a ragdoll by Latrell for Try 3.

That's 18 points on Marsters' side scored by or set up by the bloke Marsters is supposed to be marking.

And that's goodnight nurse, 18-6 to Roosters, what team currently is arresting that momentum shift?

So if you are going to finger a bloke for high contribution to the loss, Marsters is first. And Marsters involvement in tries or almost-tries... nil?

Marsters made errors yes , the try where he was thrown off ...where was the help ...Eisenhuth goes high when a legs tackles stops Mitchell dead ...Garner was MIA First try they got caught out with the early shift ...where was the entire right side lol

Well Mbye got to take some blame for that as well ....a good fullback sees the Roosters setting for shift and screams himself hoarse getting players into position

Mbye on the other hand makes mistakes a true fullback doesn't make ....poor field vision errors ...bad positioning ...even the last try he was out of position

As a fullback you are positioning yourself for kicks so the kicker is putting the ball where he DOESN"T want to put it ....creating more help for your players who are trying to put kick pressure on the kicker

Getting a bomb around 30 metres out from your own line shouldn't be an issue OK you have to make allowances for the SCG as it is more readily wind affected than your typical rectangular football field

Mbye to me looks more like a utility player ...and whether people like it or not there are at least 10 better fullbacks in the NRL than him ...there are blokes playing on the wing and five eight that are better fullbacks than Mbye

For half the money we could sign Ben Hampton and we'd get someone as good as Mbye

That the other issue .....Mbye becomes a full salary cap liability next season