OFFICIAL Moses Mbye [Discussion]

[rustycage]

Madge can't turn around and say but but but the medical staff said.

Actually he can and did. They cleared him for to play he has no option but to trust their judgement. Are you suggesting he has a greater medical opinion than a doctor?

You also haven't answered what I asked earlier. Would you be happy if Matterson had a niggle, was cleared medically fit by the doctor and for Maguire to rule him out against the professional advice?

We'll have to agree to disagree.

You've done your best, they aren't to be reasoned with on this one.


Clearly it was more than a niggle. Therein lies the problem.

No, not clearly. He may have done the maximum damage only during the match, and I have yet to see a report to the contrary.

You may twinge your hammy in warm up, overcome the twinge, then tear your hamstring during the match. That doesn't mean the warm up wasn't a niggle.

Of course you won't see a report. As if they're gonna say "it wasn't looking good, he seemed pretty bad but we sent him out anyway and we screwed up." No, it's fluff. They ballsed up good on this one. Madge said something along the lines of "it was only when he hit top speed." Well, if he did it during the final pass for the try, he was nowhere near too speed.

 

[jirskyr]

Madge can't turn around and say but but but the medical staff said.

Actually he can and did. They cleared him for to play he has no option but to trust their judgement. Are you suggesting he has a greater medical opinion than a doctor?

You also haven't answered what I asked earlier. Would you be happy if Matterson had a niggle, was cleared medically fit by the doctor and for Maguire to rule him out against the professional advice?

We'll have to agree to disagree.

You've done your best, they aren't to be reasoned with on this one.


Clearly it was more than a niggle. Therein lies the problem.

No, not clearly. He may have done the maximum damage only during the match, and I have yet to see a report to the contrary.

You may twinge your hammy in warm up, overcome the twinge, then tear your hamstring during the match. That doesn't mean the warm up wasn't a niggle.

Of course you won't see a report. As if they're gonna say "it wasn't looking good, he seemed pretty bad but we sent him out anyway and we screwed up." No, it's fluff. They ballsed up good on this one. Madge said something along the lines of "it was only when he hit top speed." Well, if he did it during the final pass for the try, he was nowhere near too speed.

You can't argue that the absence of information proves something. If they don't tell you exactly what happened in his fitness test and you weren't personally there, you have to take it at face value that they did an appropriate fitness test. Or don't take it at face value, but that position applies to everything - that management are potentially lying about everything.

I don't know why anyone cares anyway, which fan is actually going to go after the coach or physios for Mbye getting injured once. Mbye playing 80 mins offers no guarantee to the outcome of the match, nor does beating Bulldogs guarantee our season.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Blind Freddy should have made the decision, as he would have quite clearly heard the severity of Moses' limp on the concrete underfoot.

 

[Jock Koss]

@rustycage I actually think he makes it way worse on that first carry he takes fractionally earlier in the game... he is totally lame on one leg after that contact , surely it can’t have been as bad as reported now before the game - otherwise that IS a major balls up. No two ways about it

 

[Fletch]

Where is he going to play and what is his best position?

It would be interesting to know what plans Madge has for Mbye for next season and beyond. Is he going to train him with a focus on one position, or a bit of everything, a utility? It will be difficult to excel if playing multiple positions during the course of a season.

Last season was hampered by that knee injury before the trials. Madge persisted with him at fullback but it was clear during the first part of the season his heavily strapped knee had too much of an adverse impact on his acceleration, top speed and lateral movement, and his confidence dropped to a point he was struggling to even catch high kicks, let alone have any great influence on games.

The move to centre was the right decision under the circumstances, it lighten his on-field responsibilities and workload, and he adapted reasonably well (particularly in defence) considering he was still affected by the knee. His 2019 season was finally finished off with his hamstrings giving way, probably as a consequence of the knee.

He’s on big dollars and is currently the captain, and I would think he needs to eventually shift into the spine if he is going to earn his keep and have a high level of influence on games. I also think he’s on too much money to be permanently shifted out onto an edge and play the rest of career at the Tigers as a center.

Some on the forum are in favor of offloading him, but he’s contracted for another three seasons, until 2022. There doesn’t appear to be any considerable interest from other clubs to secure his services as he simply doesn’t have enough recent quality performances to garner the interest, and if he does turn things around and starts playing well why would we get rid of him. If he was to moved on I suspect the Tigers would have to carry a substantial amount of the freight, for this reason I can’t see him changing clubs without it having a hefty negative impact on our salary cap - unless for some reason he instigates a move himself.

Mbye looked good at fullback for the Bulldogs and then the Tigers when recruited mid-season in 2018. The most desirable outcome for Mbye and the Tigers is for him to recapture some of his speed and lateral movement as these are the attributes that’ll make him a dangerous attacking weapon again.

The two big questions are...

Where is he going play next season?

and;

What is the longer term plan?

I’d like to know what position Mbye thinks he’s suited to, and maybe that’s where to start in finding a way of getting the best out of him. He played mostly in the halves and was making an impact as a junior at the Bulldogs. Is this where he should be playing, 5/8? Is the plan to shift him there when Benji retires? There has been plenty of debate and a variety of opinions on the forum, but for Mbye’s and the Tigers sake you would think a longer term plan is at least being considered if Mbye is to excel in his career. Otherwise he could end up as a utility that is shifted around season after season ending up the everywhere man, but the master of none!

 

[tiga4eva]

I was puzzled when he was named Captain. By all accounts a decent person but he doesn't strike me as inspirational. Marshall was the obvious on field leader in 2019

 

[avocadoontoast]

One of our best after he arrived in 2018. Burdened with injuries throughout 2019. He's on too much money but I still rate him as a player and i'm glad he's with us.

 

[Strider]

Jack of all trades, master of none

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Can’t see why he can’t lead from centre. Jamie Lyon did it extremely well.

 

[Aubanon]

Robbie rates him highly as a 9.

Madge doesn't.

Personally I'd have him at 9 based on current squad.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Pretty rare to have no idea what position your captain will be playing 2 months out from the start of the season.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Robbie rates him highly as a 9.

Madge doesn't.

Personally I'd have him at 9 based on current squad.

Where is Madge, does anyone know?

 

[tiga4eva]

He's in Brisbane with the side

 

[jadtiger]

Jack of all trades, master of none

Completely agree

 

[Jimmy]

Mbyes best skill is his second receiver passing game, if he can recapture his pace is a lot him back into FB, if he is crippled by this injury and cant re capture his speed, 6 is his best position imo.....Mbye is a smart player and of a higher quality when fit....I would mind seeing him and brooks and brooks in the havles with brooks controlling the majority of kicking and Mbye using his brilliant ball playing down short sides

 

[twentyforty]

I would play him at 9 if he is going to be captain. Otherwise I would have him on the bench as QLD did. Then give grub more game time.

 

[finnzo]

I rate him highly I think Madge will have a plan for him well I’d hope he does haha

 

[Tiger_Steve]

Robbie rates him highly as a 9.

Madge doesn't.

Personally I'd have him at 9 based on current squad.

What makes you say Madge doesn’t rate him as a 9?

Last I heard from on here was Madge was trialling him at 9.

Personally I’d be going Benji and Reynolds swamping between 6 and 9

 

[Harvey]

For the money he is on he needs to be the long term fullback or 5/8. If he can’t stand up in either of those positions he should be moved on.

 

[boonboon]

Id have him as 9 next year and barring 8njury thats where i think he will start round 1 and be long term.