Moses Suli
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What are contracts worth these days??
We've had one mega-tool tank games that was blatantly obvious to everyone so he could transfer to another club, while playing the emotionally damaged card as well. Now we have a teenager who was offered huge dollars before he even played 1st grade (correct me if I'm wrong on that one), who now decides he thinks the grass is greener elsewhere so he'll sleep in the car while his team mates are slugging their guts out to get his own way!
SURELY something can be done where maybe a penalty can be put in place when one party backs out on their deal.
From what I understand the club bent over backwards to accommodate the young fellow, and he still bails!
Hopefully this is all for the better…Rant finished
We've had one mega-tool tank games that was blatantly obvious to everyone so he could transfer to another club, while playing the emotionally damaged card as well. Now we have a teenager who was offered huge dollars before he even played 1st grade (correct me if I'm wrong on that one), who now decides he thinks the grass is greener elsewhere so he'll sleep in the car while his team mates are slugging their guts out to get his own way!
SURELY something can be done where maybe a penalty can be put in place when one party backs out on their deal.
From what I understand the club bent over backwards to accommodate the young fellow, and he still bails!
Hopefully this is all for the better…Rant finished
Good Move I don't think the club had to many options, the Bulldogs are screaming that they have picked up a good player who wanted out of a crap club but i feel that the professional decisions we make now will build over the next few years and we will be the winner with players who really want to be part of our squad.
Good luck to Suli in the future he is young and i hope his attitude can change but we don't need to play these games anymore with young players who think they are guns who we need to bend over for and then float along with their $$$$. We have more money now and i trust Ivan to spend it wisely with talented team players if that's what we want to build for the future
Good luck to Suli in the future he is young and i hope his attitude can change but we don't need to play these games anymore with young players who think they are guns who we need to bend over for and then float along with their $$$$. We have more money now and i trust Ivan to spend it wisely with talented team players if that's what we want to build for the future
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I agree somewhat, but when clubs are always moving players on to tip at better players or get out of salary cap trouble, we can't bemoan the players when they do the same and want out because it benefits them.
If players want out, they should have to pay a contract breach fee, and the clubs should wear a salary cap penalty (even if they take a bath on the contract payout.)
earl
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You know I don't wish Suli well at all. I do think the club has done the right thing. I hope we have a good season this year and build on that going forward. We deserve a bit of luck.
tig_prmz
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to me, question lies whether he always had a poor attitude or did it turn in to it within a year.
im probably just speaking out of frustration but im sick of signing people on big money on potential and either they're not living up to it or their potential goes down once theyre with us.
melbourne bloody controls each and every aspect of a player's lives, im sure suli didnt have as poor an attitude as kasiano and look at him. not blaming anyone but just very frustrating of the same things over and over again.
Magpie_Magic
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Won't be missed imo. Thought he would break the line more often but slow off the mark and seemed to be easily tackled for a big guy. Didn't seem to be a good reader of the play.
For what we paid him Jac then is worth 1.5m a season.
For what we paid him Jac then is worth 1.5m a season.
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It is fair enough that you feel that way TP, it frustrates me too.
This change we're seeing though is a gradual process also though. Washing out 50% of the squad doesn't automatically mean there will be a culture change overnight. It does help to bring in people who align with the mentality you want to instil in the club but as in Suli's case he is a talented youngster who was signed on huge coin as a pup and for whatever reason has become a total headcase. Ivan has obviously thought he wasn't salvageable and has decided to punt him. He's got form in being able to motivate players that are otherwise considered "uncoachable," so if he thinks that Suli is a lost cause, I'll back that.
earl
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Someone commented on this earlier and it was a great post. People on here think Melbourne and other clubs are so good but they aren't. Munster for instance is known for being out of control. Bromwich was busted for cocaine.
These guys are young and getting paid good money and a lot of them aren't good kids. We've copped it badly with Moses, Tedesco, Woods and now Suli. The club probably has to try and retain it's top junior talent rather than being poached all the time but I suppose the question is how long do we keep this policy up. It hasn't worked out for us recently.
Harvey
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There are that many talented young footballers that never make it because they do not have the work ethic, get mixed up with drugs or alcohol, or just make poor choices or hang out with a bad crowd.
The best athletes are those that are prepared to make sacrifices to be the best that they can be. This is across all sports and not just league.
We either signed a bloke who had a poor attitude, or once he had a big contract and the dollars were rolling in, he achieved what he wanted and didn't care less. He was a crock in the under 20's, but did not let himself go when he had those injuries.
The best athletes are those that are prepared to make sacrifices to be the best that they can be. This is across all sports and not just league.
We either signed a bloke who had a poor attitude, or once he had a big contract and the dollars were rolling in, he achieved what he wanted and didn't care less. He was a crock in the under 20's, but did not let himself go when he had those injuries.
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Thats a fair enough assumption but this whole notion of not rating and or righting off good players when they leave us is wearing thin with me.
Players will always be transient which is not a big problem if you replace them with better ones or even ones just as good.
If we sign someone who is of equal ability to replace him I will be accept that, but until then, I see this as nothing more than a good decision for the Dogs.
HabboTiger
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I reckon the writing was on the wall, new recruits, lots of outside backs, down the pecking order, no easy ride into first grade.
Based on Cleary’s experience comments he probably sat towards the bottom this year, especially with a slow start
Based on Cleary’s experience comments he probably sat towards the bottom this year, especially with a slow start
Masterton
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I hear what you're saying, but we were paying a fortune for a bludger with bad ankles and the worst defence in the entire comp.
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No not at all. I don't have to convince myself of anything because Wests Tigers haven't 'lost' anything.
You just don't get it do you? Wests Tigers have gained not lost.
You have this fixation of Suli as some super player. He had talent, bad ankles and a bad attitude to go with it. Reality is, he's a potential player that didn't want to play with WT. Let's just say, he didn't reach his potential.
The club did what they could to turn him around but it didn't work because he didn't care enough to make it happen. Meanwhile back at Concord, a team, Wests Tigers are putting in some big effort for the coming season. While megabucks Suli sleeps in a car.
Get it yet?
Otherwise, keep trying to convince yourself that we've lost something worthwhile.
Good riddance!
