Moses Suli
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Suli's departure to Dogs six months in the making
The Wests Tigers know they could one day rue the decision to release Moses Suli, but the club didn't want to jeopardise the culture being developed under coach Ivan Cleary.
The decision by the Tigers to release Suli to the Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs on Wednesday didn't happen overnight. It's been six months in the making.
Based on talent alone, many will question how the Wests Tigers could justify parting ways with the teenage prodigy.
But this wasn't a decision based on talent. According to the Tigers, it was a decision based on the player's attitude. It was a decision based on a lack of regard for the selflessness and standards the team is trying to create.
They will not pay a cent of his future contract money as part of the release.
Since Suli suffered a season-ending ankle injury just 16 games into his rookie year, the club believed his motivation wavered.
Cleary and football manager Kelly Egan had several conversations with the teenager, trying to understand why he didn't appear interested in capitalising on his talent.
Club officials visited his family home. They spoke to his mother. They spoke to his brother. They offered to support him in a new environment away from the comfort of the family home.
They spoke with the Rugby League Players' Association and held several meetings with his manager, Mario Tartak.
The Tigers believe they did everything possible to avoid the events that have now unfolded.
He has put on almost 15 kilograms from last season and the coaching staff grew tired of not getting the same output that the rest of his teammates were contributing.
On one occasion, Suli arrived at training after being picked up by a teammate for a 7am session, only to enter the club's Concord headquarters at 10am having slept for three hours in the car.
Some wanted him gone before Christmas. Others wanted the club to persevere with him in the hope they could find the trigger that would ignite his career.
However, it never came.
The Bulldogs have been aware of the Tigers' frustration for some time. Their recruitment manager Warren McDonnell, when he was at the Wests Tigers, discovered Suli.
He's a big reason why Suli chose to join the Bulldogs in a revamped backline headlined by the shift of Moses Mbye to fullback.
The Dogs are hopeful a change of scenery will bring out the best in him.
They know they have signed a player capable of special things, and they will hope he can fulfil his enormous potential.
(ttps://[www.nrl.com/news/2018/01/31/why-moses-suli-was-cut-by-the-wests-tigers/](http://www.nrl.com/news/2018/01/31/why-moses-suli-was-cut-by-the-wests-tigers/)
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NRL NEWS
Suli's departure to Dogs six months in the making
The Wests Tigers know they could one day rue the decision to release Moses Suli, but the club didn't want to jeopardise the culture being developed under coach Ivan Cleary.
The decision by the Tigers to release Suli to the Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs on Wednesday didn't happen overnight. It's been six months in the making.
Based on talent alone, many will question how the Wests Tigers could justify parting ways with the teenage prodigy.
But this wasn't a decision based on talent. According to the Tigers, it was a decision based on the player's attitude. It was a decision based on a lack of regard for the selflessness and standards the team is trying to create.
They will not pay a cent of his future contract money as part of the release.
Since Suli suffered a season-ending ankle injury just 16 games into his rookie year, the club believed his motivation wavered.
Cleary and football manager Kelly Egan had several conversations with the teenager, trying to understand why he didn't appear interested in capitalising on his talent.
Club officials visited his family home. They spoke to his mother. They spoke to his brother. They offered to support him in a new environment away from the comfort of the family home.
They spoke with the Rugby League Players' Association and held several meetings with his manager, Mario Tartak.
The Tigers believe they did everything possible to avoid the events that have now unfolded.
He has put on almost 15 kilograms from last season and the coaching staff grew tired of not getting the same output that the rest of his teammates were contributing.
On one occasion, Suli arrived at training after being picked up by a teammate for a 7am session, only to enter the club's Concord headquarters at 10am having slept for three hours in the car.
Some wanted him gone before Christmas. Others wanted the club to persevere with him in the hope they could find the trigger that would ignite his career.
However, it never came.
The Bulldogs have been aware of the Tigers' frustration for some time. Their recruitment manager Warren McDonnell, when he was at the Wests Tigers, discovered Suli.
He's a big reason why Suli chose to join the Bulldogs in a revamped backline headlined by the shift of Moses Mbye to fullback.
The Dogs are hopeful a change of scenery will bring out the best in him.
They know they have signed a player capable of special things, and they will hope he can fulfil his enormous potential.
Tiger_Watto
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I like Suli and think he can be a star at some stage of his career if he gets his attitude right.
But I like the position you have made here. NRL is a 'today business' in many ways and the season could well be over after 8 weeks. 'If' we can use this money elsewhere to deliver a better result in the opening 8 weeks, its a sound business decision!
TopTiger
Well-known member
The decision is not just about losing one player but stressing to all the remaining players what is expected of every single player within the squad. It is clear that it is Ivan's way or the highway with this decision ensuring that all the remaining players tow the line regarding what is expected of them both on and off the field!!
Harvey
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Yes, if you fail to deliver, we will release you to another club. They should have kept him there and continually fined him for breaches, and left him with next to nothing. That would set a better example to players there. We would be stuck with a player on the roster that was unlikely to play, but we are likely to end up purchasing a player that is not up to 1st as we have to have to meet the CBA criteria.
Harvey
Well-known member
And now the dogs have also signed John Olive from the titans. So much for their salary cap issues.
goldcoast_tiger
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Suli was the next big thing according to the club when they signed him, and he may be that in time,
But I would’ve thought that they would’ve learnt the folly of throwing buckets of money at unproven kids.
Regardless of whether they were dopey to do that or not they did it.
Both sides will be trying to escape the blame for Him leaving, but we’ll Probably never know the full story
Suli was the 5 th player (along with the Big Four ) that we threw the bank at and now there is only One still atthe club. (And he is on Shakey ground.
Only two of them produced anything for the club( Teddy and woods)
And We still can’t keep players
Buying them is one thing, but unless we start to hold players, we’ll stay behind the 8 ball.
This year it will be interesting to see how many of our players are prepared to stay at the end of the year.
We’ve got to start making the. Club a place that good players want to come to and stay without having to pay overs .
It’s a big job for Ivan. I hope he’s up to itp
But I would’ve thought that they would’ve learnt the folly of throwing buckets of money at unproven kids.
Regardless of whether they were dopey to do that or not they did it.
Both sides will be trying to escape the blame for Him leaving, but we’ll Probably never know the full story
Suli was the 5 th player (along with the Big Four ) that we threw the bank at and now there is only One still atthe club. (And he is on Shakey ground.
Only two of them produced anything for the club( Teddy and woods)
And We still can’t keep players
Buying them is one thing, but unless we start to hold players, we’ll stay behind the 8 ball.
This year it will be interesting to see how many of our players are prepared to stay at the end of the year.
We’ve got to start making the. Club a place that good players want to come to and stay without having to pay overs .
It’s a big job for Ivan. I hope he’s up to itp
goldcoast_tiger
New member
Suli was the next big thing according to the club when they signed him, and he may be that in time,
But I would’ve thought that they would’ve learnt the folly of throwing buckets of money at unproven kids.
Regardless of whether they were dopey to do that or not they did it.
Both sides will be trying to escape the blame for Him leaving, but we’ll Probably never know the full story
Suli was the 5 th player (along with the Big Four ) that we threw the bank at and now there is only One still atthe club. (And he is on Shakey ground.
Only two of them produced anything for the club( Teddy and woods)
And We still can’t keep players
Buying them is one thing, but unless we start to hold players, we’ll stay behind the 8 ball.
This year it will be interesting to see how many of our players are prepared to stay at the end of the year.
We’ve got to start making the. Club a place that good players want to come to and stay without having to pay overs .
It’s a big job for Ivan. I hope he’s up to itp
But I would’ve thought that they would’ve learnt the folly of throwing buckets of money at unproven kids.
Regardless of whether they were dopey to do that or not they did it.
Both sides will be trying to escape the blame for Him leaving, but we’ll Probably never know the full story
Suli was the 5 th player (along with the Big Four ) that we threw the bank at and now there is only One still atthe club. (And he is on Shakey ground.
Only two of them produced anything for the club( Teddy and woods)
And We still can’t keep players
Buying them is one thing, but unless we start to hold players, we’ll stay behind the 8 ball.
This year it will be interesting to see how many of our players are prepared to stay at the end of the year.
We’ve got to start making the. Club a place that good players want to come to and stay without having to pay overs .
It’s a big job for Ivan. I hope he’s up to itp
DonnyBrasco
New member
Some of these players should not have social media.
Just reading some of his Instagram posts, he has a bit of growing up to do.
Good luck to the kid, hope he can kick on, just wont be here, and at this juncture, wont be any loss.
Just reading some of his Instagram posts, he has a bit of growing up to do.
Good luck to the kid, hope he can kick on, just wont be here, and at this juncture, wont be any loss.
851
Well-known member
Cleary also spoke about the challenge ahead for Luke Brooks with Josh Reynolds and Benji Marshall looking over his shoulder, while admitting Tui Lolohea is no guarantee of owning the No 1 jumper.
Holy crap batman, there is one forum poster who might just have a melt down with that comment Ivan.
Holy crap batman, there is one forum poster who might just have a melt down with that comment Ivan.
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Come on, it’s a smokescreen.
Name the better option…
It’s probably 2 things.
Fullback for us there is not a lot of depth so the uncertainty keeps him fighting for the spot.
The other thing is it probably allows for a bit of mystery and excitement to build up for round 1\. We’ll c in the trials. I’d say it’s a fair bit Tui and Naiguma will both spend time in the back in those 2 games. Also there is Thompson as well for cover.
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Yep that poster is used to our ex coach picking players with no accountability. He might have just fallen of his chair lol.
Good riddance to suli and anyone else who thinks this club owes them something. Ivan is sending a clear message to everyone else, either ship up or we don’t need you here. Also no one is guaranteed any position and we now have the depth and a coach with the guts to do so.
goldcoast_tiger
New member
@ said:
Most trials mean Bugger All,
They’d already have a fair idea of who will be the team in Rnd 1 ( barring injuries).
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I’m confused.
What part of my post are you contesting to?
I think we are on the same page here. I agree the team would be mostly penciled in already.
My part on the trials was that we as fans/public will get an indication of who Cleary believes can do a job at Fullback this year; not that the trials will be used as contest for the round one fullback spot.
We all believe Tui is the shoe in as he adds the most to our attack. And no offence to Kev but his defence wouldn’t be much worse either.
Tiger_Watto
New member
gawd… it looks like Louis Vuitton?
Harvey
Well-known member
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I heard that they ran out of pies at ANZ grand final day. Now we know why.
happy_tiger
Well-known member
So I'm guessing the Forum as a whole has declared a Jihad against Suli
