Mr Sheens

[Telltails]

I think Sheens is a big reason Marshall and Farah have ended up the way they are. For too long he let them have free reign and gave them too much control and as a result neither of them matured.[/qu

There is not too much wrong with Farah and Benji as far as being good human beings and successful young men, and in the end that is all that will matter. Compared to some of the misdemeanors by other NRL/coaches /players I think these two have represented our club and themselves admirably having spent their entire twenties being scrutinized by the media and public.

 

[Regan]

Ahh how I miss Sheens and the skilful footy that was..

As for those who emphasise the negatives of Sheens to imply the moving on of Sheens was was based on the the cons outweighing pros.. I say what has anyone else done for Balmain and magpies post 91 combined with WT 2000 up until 2016? The truth is nothing.,

1)People complain that Sheens only made the finals 3/10, though in those 10 years how many regular state of origan players did we have?

2)We won 2005 with kids
3)We made the final 4 in 2010 with Lui as half back for Christ sakes, 50 year olds on the wing.. Players like ayshford, Moltzen and that bloke who went to the Bulldogs can't remember is name.. Pretty much blokes who struggle to get a game at other clubs
4)And by God we played some amazing footy win draw or lose..
5) how close and unlucky have we been?

We really over achieved with Sheens, and yes I see the logic in moving him on, But please give some credit when due and no one at joint has done better yet..

Post Of The Year

 

[Russell]

Don't agree - getting rid of Mr Sheens was one of the things that started the turn around. It was on par with getting rid of the old board, Humphries, Mayer and Kidwell.

I'll take JT for another year and the Club would be idiots to get rid of him for 2017\. He has done all their dirty work (usually to his own detriment), it is now appropriate to give him roughly an even playing field.

 

[jadtiger]

Ahh how I miss Sheens and the skilful footy that was..

As for those who emphasise the negatives of Sheens to imply the moving on of Sheens was was based on the the cons outweighing pros.. I say what has anyone else done for Balmain and magpies post 91 combined with WT 2000 up until 2016? The truth is nothing.,

1)People complain that Sheens only made the finals 3/10, though in those 10 years how many regular state of origan players did we have?

2)We won 2005 with kids
3)We made the final 4 in 2010 with Lui as half back for Christ sakes, 50 year olds on the wing.. Players like ayshford, Moltzen and that bloke who went to the Bulldogs can't remember is name.. Pretty much blokes who struggle to get a game at other clubs
4)And by God we played some amazing footy win draw or lose..
5) how close and unlucky have we been?

We really over achieved with Sheens, and yes I see the logic in moving him on, But please give some credit when due and no one at joint has done better yet..

All of what you say is true but imo he was here for about 5 years to long.Than is when the majority of his zany decisions where happening.

 

[Masterton]

Ahh how I miss Sheens and the skilful footy that was..

As for those who emphasise the negatives of Sheens to imply the moving on of Sheens was was based on the the cons outweighing pros.. I say what has anyone else done for Balmain and magpies post 91 combined with WT 2000 up until 2016? The truth is nothing.,

Hey! Tommy got the Magpies to the finals in 1996!

Besides that, you're pretty much right.

 

[foreveratiger]

Can't believe some have taken this thread serious :laughing:.

 

[hobbo]

Can't believe some have taken this thread serious :laughing:.

:roll
It's a pisser hey :laughing:

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Ahh how I miss Sheens and the skilful footy that was..

As for those who emphasise the negatives of Sheens to imply the moving on of Sheens was was based on the the cons outweighing pros.. I say what has anyone else done for Balmain and magpies post 91 combined with WT 2000 up until 2016? The truth is nothing.,

Hey! Tommy got the Magpies to the finals in 1996!

Besides that, you're pretty much right.

The Wok got Wests to the finals in 91 & 92 as well.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I think Sheens is a big reason Marshall and Farah have ended up the way they are. For too long he let them have free reign and gave them too much control and as a result neither of them matured.

Isn't your favourite "coach"" trying to do the same thing now, can't have it both ways.?

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I think Sheens is a big reason Marshall and Farah have ended up the way they are. For too long he let them have free reign and gave them too much control and as a result neither of them matured.

Isn't your favourite "coach"" trying to do the same thing now, can't have it both ways.?

Idk, is he? I was talking about off the field, very different to the current coach who wants to give his players control on the field.

 

[stevetiger]

I think Sheens is a big reason Marshall and Farah have ended up the way they are. For too long he let them have free reign and gave them too much control and as a result neither of them matured.

Isn't your favourite "coach"" trying to do the same thing now, can't have it both ways.?

Idk, is he? I was talking about off the field, very different to the current coach who wants to give his players control on the field.

It appears that Brooks/Moses and Tedesco are now the players exactly like Benji and Robbie were years ago. I didn't see it as that bad back then or that bad now.

I think peeps just look for conspiracy theories why we aren't winning games.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

I think Sheens is a big reason Marshall and Farah have ended up the way they are. For too long he let them have free reign and gave them too much control and as a result neither of them matured.

Isn't your favourite "coach"" trying to do the same thing now, can't have it both ways.?

Only after playing what many on here have called "Taylorball". See that's the point, you have two extremes:

Defensive/boring: Taylorball
Attacking/exciting: Sheens-ball

Successful and consistent teams are generally somewhere in between over the long term as you should not consistently be at either extreme over time. In saying that, the best teams are to be able to drift or oscillate between the two styles during a match, depending on the match circumstances.

Take for instance the club's best result this season - Cowboys at Leichhardt. The team moved between the two styles with ease - generally speaking they attacked early (Sheens-ball), then got into the grind minimising mistakes and defending well (Taylor-ball) and then finished with a flurry when the Cowboys were spent (Sheens-ball).

The problem for Wests was that the culture of Sheens-ball had been so ingrained that the club did not know any other way to play. Potter started the process, but it came to a stall towards the end of his tenure. Last season Taylor took the measure of coaching the players to play at the defensive extreme. It was not the brand new long term strategy, but rather to show a whole generation of Wests players (say the last 5 years) that attack is not the only means of winning a football match. It's why Tedesco has admitted that they did not initially "buy-in" to Taylor's coaching, but now they do - and that is understandable, the guy had 3 years of attack-based football. Changing culture is a very hard thing to do - it takes time.

Yes, in the end it's all about results, but you can't make a long term cultural shift if you constantly focus on short term results. As a fan, I can see the cultural differences in the way the team plays. They will slip up on occasions as they have done this season against Canberra, Canterbury and Penrith - it happens. Overall however, they have been a chance of winning every match till the final whistle. Many close losses were simply down to a lack of experience or a goal kicker.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I think Sheens is a big reason Marshall and Farah have ended up the way they are. For too long he let them have free reign and gave them too much control and as a result neither of them matured.

Isn't your favourite "coach"" trying to do the same thing now, can't have it both ways.?

Idk, is he? I was talking about off the field, very different to the current coach who wants to give his players control on the field.

Yet still have them play controlled footy to gain the right to play to their strengths. The playmakers have bought into it, as have basically the rest of the squad from all reports. I for one enjoy watching our games much more this year, even though the thirty odd minutes leading up to half time last week was not the best, poor execution, rather than structure, cost us dearly

I truly feel it is a shame that some that burn a candle for individuals, such as you GCT and a few others, still cannot seem to allow themselves a little reasoned balance.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I think Sheens is a big reason Marshall and Farah have ended up the way they are. For too long he let them have free reign and gave them too much control and as a result neither of them matured.

Isn't your favourite "coach"" trying to do the same thing now, can't have it both ways.?

Idk, is he? I was talking about off the field, very different to the current coach who wants to give his players control on the field.

Yet still have them play controlled footy to gain the right to play to their strengths. The playmakers have bought into it, as have basically the rest of the squad from all reports. I for one enjoy watching our games much more this year, even though the thirty odd minutes leading up to half time last week was not the best, poor execution, rather than structure, cost us dearly

I truly feel it is a shame that some that burn a candle for individuals, such as you GCT and a few others, still cannot seem to allow themselves a little reasoned balance.

A bit of balance is needed on both sides here, such as your description of last weeks debacle, "not the best", It was terrible , where's the balance there

 

[Tim Sheens]

I did write poor GCT, which many of ours were, but Penrith played at their peak or thereabouts for mine and would have beaten most if not all comers with that performance. I actually find your posts to be some of the better ones on here, just as long as they don't relate in any way to

 

[Geo]

No No..to use a fav line from GCT,,Penrith only won cause Wests Tigers sucked..

 

[Magpie_Magic]

I miss Sheens. He made mistakes but at least delivered an unlikely premiership and we were the highest rating team on TV.
At least we had hope every year and every game.
Now…..

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I miss Sheens. He made mistakes but at least delivered an unlikely premiership and we were the highest rating team on TV.
At least we had hope every year and every game.
Now…..

This season has not been any different to the majority of years Sheens was at the helm results wise.

 

[matchball]

If Lui didn't go off the rails we actually had a chance.
We were on the cusp of greatness once again, we had finally found someone to compliment Benji in the halves since Prince departed.
Losing Lui sent us into a heap of crap again.

 

[TrueTiger]

I think Sheens is a big reason Marshall and Farah have ended up the way they are. For too long he let them have free reign and gave them too much control and as a result neither of them matured.

Isn't your favourite "coach"" trying to do the same thing now, can't have it both ways.?

Idk, is he? I was talking about off the field, very different to the current coach who wants to give his players control on the field.

Yet still have them play controlled footy to gain the right to play to their strengths. The playmakers have bought into it, as have basically the rest of the squad from all reports. I for one enjoy watching our games much more this year, even though the thirty odd minutes leading up to half time last week was not the best, poor execution, rather than structure, cost us dearly

I truly feel it is a shame that some that burn a candle for individuals, such as you GCT and a few others, still cannot seem to allow themselves a little reasoned balance.

Irrespective of what people think of JT,he is coaching this team to be competitive in the NRL his job has been made difficult not just because of lack of money and all the other dramas surrounding the club but he has some very talented young NRL inexperienced players at his desposal,Taylor ball was his structure of play to teach these younger guys the defensive side of the game,his seasoned players also had to adapt to this structure as it is a team effort not just an individual lesson one on one so to speak,although it seemed boring,these younger players are now showing signs of playing to structures as we have watched them grind out games against some strong opposition..Taylor said he didn't worry to much about the attack because he has an abundance of attacking flair within this team,they have to learn to defend and play for a full 80 minutes…once we have a new defensive coach,a coach that not only teach defensive structures but the basic techniques needed to stop players in motion,then the better these players will perform...no more arm grabbing or being a turnstile would be a big improvement...I think next year if Taylor can keep doing what he has this year,then we will have a much more balanced team,therefore a more competitive team.....