Nathan Brown - Knights Long Term Plan

[Milky]

Brown's big picture

Wed 29th June, 10:38AM
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Newcastle Knights coach Nathan Brown said the Club's big picture remains his top priority.

"If you ask me if I’d like to win more games, I would answer, a definite yes," he said on Tuesday afternoon at Knights HQ.

"But winning two or three more games is not going to change the process we have to go through.

"What I am bothered by is the big picture and the plan we have in place.

"There is nothing that anyone can say to me… that is going to want me to change from that plan.

"The plan is going to be a good one, it is just going to take time to do it."

Any roster additions will be determined by the long-term plan.

"It hasn’t been a good decade for the club, and going out there and bringing in a player to win one more game is not going to fix the long-term problem," Brown explained.

"Our plan's always been to introduce all of the younger kids, give them plenty of games and work out what we need.

"We are pretty clear what type of personnel we need to bring into the club and now it's a matter of identifying the right people and seeing if they're available and then if we can afford them."

The coach also discussed the process that Hawthorn went through in the AFL.

​“When (Alastair) Clarkson took over (as coach), they were bankrupt and ready to merge,” Brown explained.

"First year they ran right down the bottom, next year they ran a little up from the bottom, next year they were fifth, and they have won four or five premierships since.

"They did it on young kids. People who are educated on where we sit salary cap-wise, and the state of the club as we inherited, understand what we are going through and why we are going through it.”

http://www.newcastleknights.com.au/news/2016/06/29/brown_s_big_picture_.html

 

[Milky]

Pretty much what we had going, now many of our players have experience and we look like improving. Only difference is Brown had a set, he dropped underperformers etc.

 

[TrueTiger]

Couldn't agree more milkster,also Brown says he has a plan and its a good one,for the long term benefit of the club….JT also has a plan for our team,it takes time and in my opinion we are touching on the top 8 we are not cellar dwellers like last year,so therefore we as a team and club are improving..

 

[stevetiger]

I'm not a fan of these long term plans. It's the coach's job to win games.

At this point of the year I'm happy where we are sitting though.

 

[Nelson]

I'm not a fan of these long term plans. It's the coach's job to win games.

At this point of the year I'm happy where we are sitting though.

Ok so he can't win games with the roster he's got so sack him. Next guy comes along, same roster, same results. Sack him too. It's completely unrealistic to pin the success of a coach purely on winning. It's the coach's job to develop and improve his squad to give them the best chance of success. Sometimes that is going to involve a medium to long term plan when things are as dire as they are at Newcastle.

 

[Tigerdon]

It will be a long road ahead for Newcastle. They have a few good local juniors and if you include the Central Coast as well as the mid North Coast in their junior nursery then it's good catchment area.
Their problems have stemmed from the Board and the Club itself. Similar to us. Looks like we have finally got our Front Office working well, although I'm just going off hearsay (eg TT reports). As we know a few key signs can make or break a season or three.

 

[supercoach]

I'm not a fan of these long term plans. It's the coach's job to win games.

At this point of the year I'm happy where we are sitting though.

So you would rather Brown or who ever jag another 3 wins a year rather than put some well researched plans in place that was all about bringing the club back to the top.

Even if they wanted to, the Knights could not get a instant fix by recruiting, they just would not have the money or the cap space. So like we did or are trying to do, you start at the bottom and try and develop as much talent as you can from within.

Okay it is not fool proof, take us for example, we are probably a big chance of loosing one or two of the dynamic duo at the end of next year just when they will probably have made the grade, but I am sure they have another kid being groomed just in case.

I look at a club like the rabbits who seem to have hit the wall and have a lot of players who are on the down slope and do not seem to have a lot coming through. At some stage soon they will have to bite the bullet and start at the bottom again.

Anyway Brown had no other option just like we had no other option, and I can see it slowly working at Concord

 

[hammertime]

They've got a great new board up there. Know a couple of them personally and they're impressive people. They're pretty much at the stage that we were when the new board came in a few years ago.

They'll turn it around in a few years. I have no doubt about that.

 

[greatodensraven]

I'm not a fan of these long term plans. It's the coach's job to win games.

At this point of the year I'm happy where we are sitting though.

Everyone wants to win, however I think this is what got the knights in so much trouble in the first place. They hired Bennett to bring them instant glory, he didn't nor did he maintain a development plan, then he moved on & the team was ravaged.

There has to be a balance. We're heading in the right direction (still plenty of work to do) but I think our cap issues slowed down our process a little.

 

[ricksen]

The Hawthorn example is a poor one given that they were the beneficiaries of several high draft picks - something that the NRL lacks.

 

[Newtown]

Newcastle's approach is different to Parramatta's. With the plan to immediately win a premiership Parramatta forgot about the CAP and spent millions of dollars buying top players from other clubs. They are now facing the consequences. Newcastle's approach is much more humble but I like it better than Parramatta's. Newcastle will find long term success much quicker than Parramatta will.

 

[Bones]

Newcastle's approach is different to Parramatta's. With the plan to immediately win a premiership Parramatta forgot about the CAP and spent millions of dollars buying top players from other clubs. They are now facing the consequences. Newcastle's approach is much more humble but I like it better than Parramatta's. Newcastle will find long term success much quicker than Parramatta will.

The consequences…. 12 points. Meanwhile the clubs that do it properly take 3-4 years to rebuild a competitive roster. Parra will be competitive next year, they would still have been this year even with -12 points if Foran, Norman and Radradra had stay on the rails.

 

[Chevy]

Newcastle really dont have an option,if you dont have the financial backing then you have to rebuild relying on your local products,similiar to what we have gone through the past few seasons.

 

[Newtown]

Newcastle's approach is different to Parramatta's. With the plan to immediately win a premiership Parramatta forgot about the CAP and spent millions of dollars buying top players from other clubs. They are now facing the consequences. Newcastle's approach is much more humble but I like it better than Parramatta's. Newcastle will find long term success much quicker than Parramatta will.

The consequences…. 12 points. Meanwhile the clubs that do it properly take 3-4 years to rebuild a competitive roster. Parra will be competitive next year, they would still have been this year even with -12 points if Foran, Norman and Radradra had stay on the rails.

Parramatta are trying lure Hayne back to their team and you would think that after what they have been through there will be no more fraudulent TPA's and over the CAP spending. Or I am being too trusting?'

 

[supercoach]

Newcastle's approach is different to Parramatta's. With the plan to immediately win a premiership Parramatta forgot about the CAP and spent millions of dollars buying top players from other clubs. They are now facing the consequences. Newcastle's approach is much more humble but I like it better than Parramatta's. Newcastle will find long term success much quicker than Parramatta will.

The consequences…. 12 points. Meanwhile the clubs that do it properly take 3-4 years to rebuild a competitive roster. Parra will be competitive next year, they would still have been this year even with -12 points if Foran, Norman and Radradra had stay on the rails.

Parramatta are trying lure Hayne back to their team and you would think that after what they have been through there will be no more fraudulent TPA's and over the CAP spending. Or I am being too trusting?'

Foran walks out Haynes walks in, the books should be okay with that transaction. Although as goods as Haynes was or is, I doubt he is the type of player to turn Parra around

 

[Chevy]

Another thing that hurt Newcastle was Tinkler,apparently they didn't chase sponsorship and tpa as hard during his reign thinking he himself had it covered.

 

[diedpretty]

Newcastle's approach is different to Parramatta's. With the plan to immediately win a premiership Parramatta forgot about the CAP and spent millions of dollars buying top players from other clubs. They are now facing the consequences. Newcastle's approach is much more humble but I like it better than Parramatta's. Newcastle will find long term success much quicker than Parramatta will.

The consequences…. 12 points. Meanwhile the clubs that do it properly take 3-4 years to rebuild a competitive roster. Parra will be competitive next year, they would still have been this year even with -12 points if Foran, Norman and Radradra had stay on the rails.

Parramatta are trying lure Hayne back to their team and you would think that after what they have been through there will be no more fraudulent TPA's and over the CAP spending. Or I am being too trusting?'

Yep. Also the NRL will probably give Parra a bit of leeway to have Hayne back in the NRL.

 

[kiwitiger]

Pretty much what we had going, now many of our players have experience and we look like improving. Only difference is Brown had a set, he dropped underperformers etc.

It's exactly the same Milky. Coach under the pump not enough wins on the board saying he has a plan, just needs more time. Time will tell.
It's called promise a brighter future… politicians make a career out of it...nothing article.

 

[stevetiger]

I'm not a fan of these long term plans. It's the coach's job to win games.

At this point of the year I'm happy where we are sitting though.

Ok so he can't win games with the roster he's got so sack him. Next guy comes along, same roster, same results. Sack him too. It's completely unrealistic to pin the success of a coach purely on winning. It's the coach's job to develop and improve his squad to give them the best chance of success. Sometimes that is going to involve a medium to long term plan when things are as dire as they are at Newcastle.

I didn't say anything like what you responded too. The point is that it's the coach's job to win games with the players at his disposal.

I can accept that you don't have the players to win games but that is up to the club to go out and do something about that.

Coach's using that line I think are typically using it as an excuse.

 

[Nelson]

The point is that it's the coach's job to win games with the players at his disposal.

I can accept that you don't have the players to win games but that is up to the club to go out and do something about that.

Coach's using that line I think are typically using it as an excuse.

Is Nathan Brown using it as an excuse? How is he supposed to win games? Magic? Guerrilla warfare? …I think focusing on the future is about the only useful thing he can do at this point in time. That doesn't mean not trying to win, it just means that winning isn't everything.