gallagher
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Brown hasnt helped either. He found out about the meeting with O'Brien, he could have addressed that after the season finished.
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happy_tiger
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From memory John Quayle is involved with the Knights
How does all this happen when someone with his experience is helping steer the ship
How does all this happen when someone with his experience is helping steer the ship
gallagher
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@happy_tiger said in [Nathan Brown](/post/1054409) said:
Apparently they bypassed him.
happy_tiger
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@gallagher said in [Nathan Brown](/post/1054413) said:
Seriously one of the best league administrators ....and they brush him
I'd take John Quayle on our board in a heartbeat
Get it done
gallagher
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@happy_tiger said in [Nathan Brown](/post/1054414) said:
Hopefully he gets on the ARL commission.
happy_tiger
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@gallagher said in [Nathan Brown](/post/1054415) said:
I don't think he can .....some rule or reason from memory
gallagher
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@happy_tiger said in [Nathan Brown](/post/1054421) said:
Yeah, you cant have worked for an NRL club for 3 seasons. Beattie is pushing to get rid of the rule before he leaves as Chairman.
Who actually think Brownie had nothing to do with it, Kids and Pea-hearts is the only destination I can arrive at?
They don’t factor in how dreadful the knights have been of late & how his own relationships with HIS roster have clearly been shaky for the good part of a few seasons, it seems that somehow a player manager is responsible again (I. Moses again) when I was well and truly sure only our club could have been lead astray the way we were by that fool!!
If he really DID have his hand in this then the Knoughts will continue to stink for at least next few seasons to boot; like cancer
They don’t factor in how dreadful the knights have been of late & how his own relationships with HIS roster have clearly been shaky for the good part of a few seasons, it seems that somehow a player manager is responsible again (I. Moses again) when I was well and truly sure only our club could have been lead astray the way we were by that fool!!
If he really DID have his hand in this then the Knoughts will continue to stink for at least next few seasons to boot; like cancer
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Isaac Moses is friends with the CEO Phil Gardner. There was an article explaining a little bit of their relationship and how Gardner is trying to get Ponga to change his manager to Moses.
[Naive Knights boss Phil Gardner facing NRL cemetery, writes Paul Kent](https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/teams/knights/naive-knights-boss-phil-gardner-facing-nrl-cemetery-writes-paul-kent/news-story/4c96625867b6bf95993d4c65efd4ab48?fbclid=IwAR2S9Myo6VDNMjNQS1CmP8jtQ2I6rG2nrCa8SSTWLTdmbJEI4-B0NeHHzQg)
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The naivety of the Newcastle Knights and their boss Phil Gardner is disturbing.
The symbol for where they are at will remain Kalyn Ponga sucking back on his strawberry thickshake last week as news arrived that the Knights had sacked his coach Nathan Brown.
“I was at lunch having a nice strawberry thickshake so I wasn’t too sad,” Ponga said.
Ponga is at a vulnerable age but is already being sucked into the wider politics at Newcastle, with detrimental effect.
Gardner is making the classic mistake of assuming that because he is an expert in one industry it automatically makes him an expert in a neighbouring one.
Just because he knows the licensed club industry, heading the powerful Wests Leagues Club group that owns the Knights, does not guarantee he knows the particular politics of rugby league.
The cemetery for others who assumed the same is always growing.
It takes a pocketful of brains or a pocketful of cash to navigate your way out of trouble in the NRL. The Knights are heading for one while assuming it is the other.
He totally cocked up the negotiations with incoming Knights coach Adam O’Brien, effectively sabotaging any chance the Knights had of making this year’s finals when news leaked.
That some players were allowed to be part of the coup reinforces the naivety of their actions.
The players spoke about Brown’s sacking last week and appeared largely unmoved. They insisted it was merely part of professional sport, an apparent reason for their lack of shock.
Their professionalism did not carry through to their performance on Saturday night, though, when a Wests Tigers outfit with $2 million sitting on the sideline went through them like Raper’s Dragons.
“We really let our coach down, we let our fans down, and as a team it was totally unacceptable,” captain Mitch Pearce said on Monday.
“Weak minds,” Andrew Johns called it.
Several directors remained concerned at Gardner’s behaviour. They had no knowledge of the backroom game to secretly woo O’Brien, even as the season was on the line. Neither did Knights director of football Brian Canavan.
Trouble began, as best as anyone can tell, about eight weeks ago when Brown told Gardner that recruitment boss Troy Pezet had to go.
Brown had lost trust in him. In any normal business a head coach telling the boss that relations with a lower-tiered employee had become unworkable would be the end of him.
But it was a fatal mistake for Brown.
He did not know that in the past 12 months Gardner and Pezet had formed a strong alliance.
Pezet, a former player from the 1990s, has operated around rugby league for many years without any great success. He managed players for a while before finally moving into junior football.
Between them, it seems Pezet and Gardner have realised they can benefit each other.
Pezet can tip to Gardner on football matters he should already know, and which would make him appear like he knows in the often murky world of NRL politics, while the powerful Gardner could take Pezet to places he has long dreamed to be.
Soon after Brown wanted to offload Pezet it has emerged Gardner, on the quiet, sent Pezet to have a meeting with O’Brien.
It was a naïve move. Some club officials have wondered why the Knights would disrespect the Roosters by secretly approaching their assistant, when the two clubs had an amicable relationship.
More trickery is afoot, though.
At the same time O’Brien was being wooed, Ponga, the Knights superstar, began seeking an upgrade and extension to his contract.
But Gardner told Ponga’s father Andre Ponga they won’t discuss an upgrade while Wayde Rushton remains his manager. Andre Ponga told Rushton this earlier this month, a day before Rushton left for America.
The reason why Gardner delivered the ultimatum is mysterious. There seems no reasonable explanation.
Rushton delivered what was then considered a massive deal for the unproven Ponga and has not done him a disservice since.
It has put Ponga in a position where the sooner he discards Rushton the quicker he gets his upgrade and extension. But they have a contract until October next year.
At the same time Gardner has told Andre Ponga he can introduce him to another player manager, Isaac Moses.
Moses happens to also be the manager for O’Brien, soon to be appointed the head coach.
It would link the club’s coach with the club’s future in a way beyond management’s control.
A loop that closes once it is understood Pezet and Moses once worked together at David Riolo’s Titan Management.
It is a small world rugby league. For some, it gets smaller by the minute.
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Isaac Moses is friends with the CEO Phil Gardner. There was an article explaining a little bit of their relationship and how Gardner is trying to get Ponga to change his manager to Moses.
[Naive Knights boss Phil Gardner facing NRL cemetery, writes Paul Kent](https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/teams/knights/naive-knights-boss-phil-gardner-facing-nrl-cemetery-writes-paul-kent/news-story/4c96625867b6bf95993d4c65efd4ab48?fbclid=IwAR2S9Myo6VDNMjNQS1CmP8jtQ2I6rG2nrCa8SSTWLTdmbJEI4-B0NeHHzQg)
:::
The naivety of the Newcastle Knights and their boss Phil Gardner is disturbing.
The symbol for where they are at will remain Kalyn Ponga sucking back on his strawberry thickshake last week as news arrived that the Knights had sacked his coach Nathan Brown.
“I was at lunch having a nice strawberry thickshake so I wasn’t too sad,” Ponga said.
Ponga is at a vulnerable age but is already being sucked into the wider politics at Newcastle, with detrimental effect.
Gardner is making the classic mistake of assuming that because he is an expert in one industry it automatically makes him an expert in a neighbouring one.
Just because he knows the licensed club industry, heading the powerful Wests Leagues Club group that owns the Knights, does not guarantee he knows the particular politics of rugby league.
The cemetery for others who assumed the same is always growing.
It takes a pocketful of brains or a pocketful of cash to navigate your way out of trouble in the NRL. The Knights are heading for one while assuming it is the other.
He totally cocked up the negotiations with incoming Knights coach Adam O’Brien, effectively sabotaging any chance the Knights had of making this year’s finals when news leaked.
That some players were allowed to be part of the coup reinforces the naivety of their actions.
The players spoke about Brown’s sacking last week and appeared largely unmoved. They insisted it was merely part of professional sport, an apparent reason for their lack of shock.
Their professionalism did not carry through to their performance on Saturday night, though, when a Wests Tigers outfit with $2 million sitting on the sideline went through them like Raper’s Dragons.
“We really let our coach down, we let our fans down, and as a team it was totally unacceptable,” captain Mitch Pearce said on Monday.
“Weak minds,” Andrew Johns called it.
Several directors remained concerned at Gardner’s behaviour. They had no knowledge of the backroom game to secretly woo O’Brien, even as the season was on the line. Neither did Knights director of football Brian Canavan.
Trouble began, as best as anyone can tell, about eight weeks ago when Brown told Gardner that recruitment boss Troy Pezet had to go.
Brown had lost trust in him. In any normal business a head coach telling the boss that relations with a lower-tiered employee had become unworkable would be the end of him.
But it was a fatal mistake for Brown.
He did not know that in the past 12 months Gardner and Pezet had formed a strong alliance.
Pezet, a former player from the 1990s, has operated around rugby league for many years without any great success. He managed players for a while before finally moving into junior football.
Between them, it seems Pezet and Gardner have realised they can benefit each other.
Pezet can tip to Gardner on football matters he should already know, and which would make him appear like he knows in the often murky world of NRL politics, while the powerful Gardner could take Pezet to places he has long dreamed to be.
Soon after Brown wanted to offload Pezet it has emerged Gardner, on the quiet, sent Pezet to have a meeting with O’Brien.
It was a naïve move. Some club officials have wondered why the Knights would disrespect the Roosters by secretly approaching their assistant, when the two clubs had an amicable relationship.
More trickery is afoot, though.
At the same time O’Brien was being wooed, Ponga, the Knights superstar, began seeking an upgrade and extension to his contract.
But Gardner told Ponga’s father Andre Ponga they won’t discuss an upgrade while Wayde Rushton remains his manager. Andre Ponga told Rushton this earlier this month, a day before Rushton left for America.
The reason why Gardner delivered the ultimatum is mysterious. There seems no reasonable explanation.
Rushton delivered what was then considered a massive deal for the unproven Ponga and has not done him a disservice since.
It has put Ponga in a position where the sooner he discards Rushton the quicker he gets his upgrade and extension. But they have a contract until October next year.
At the same time Gardner has told Andre Ponga he can introduce him to another player manager, Isaac Moses.
Moses happens to also be the manager for O’Brien, soon to be appointed the head coach.
It would link the club’s coach with the club’s future in a way beyond management’s control.
A loop that closes once it is understood Pezet and Moses once worked together at David Riolo’s Titan Management.
It is a small world rugby league. For some, it gets smaller by the minute.
:::
Tigerlily
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The whole of the Newcastle playing group should be reprimanded/fined/hung drawn and quartered (what ever takes your fancy)...Because it’s starting to sound very much like the team has thrown a bit of a tanty just to get it’s way and if that’s the case those ring leaders should be dragged across the coals...First of all, how dare they think that they’re bigger then the club...
If I was a Newcastle fan (thank the gods I’m not) I’d be absolutely disgusted with my team and would be demanding some accountability for the way the players have conducted themselves both on and off the field as this behaviour has more then likely cost them a place in the finals...In other words they simply don’t care and are purely using the club as a pay cheque and have no sense of history or passion what’s so ever for the Club that took a chance on them...
If I was a Newcastle fan (thank the gods I’m not) I’d be absolutely disgusted with my team and would be demanding some accountability for the way the players have conducted themselves both on and off the field as this behaviour has more then likely cost them a place in the finals...In other words they simply don’t care and are purely using the club as a pay cheque and have no sense of history or passion what’s so ever for the Club that took a chance on them...
BalmainJnr
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Feel a little for the Knights fans, they have shown up despite their team being rubbish for several years and now this...
GNR4LIFE
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Apparently the Knights website announced Pearce was leaving at the end of the year, then it was quickly deleted 🤔
Tigerlily
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@Russell said in [Nathan Brown](/post/1054451) said:
Yes! But from memory that was only ever one person causing all that drama and also using the media to advance his own personal agendas...Robbie you naughty boy.
@Tigerboy Brown doesn't come out looking good from this at all. It seems hypocritical for him to comment on coaches making selfish decisions (albeit for short-term gain) when he in fact has now jumped out in front of the trouble to save face and brought all this drama out in the open. Whatever culture he claims to have fixed seems to have been replaced with something different yet still quite sinister.
@Tigerlily said in [Nathan Brown](/post/1054455) said:
From my memory - the reason he was told that his contract would not be renewed was because he had "lost the dressing room". Now I don't think you can lose the dressing room because of one player. A stack of them got together and decided to tank and the games were lost and suddenly "he was gone".
Tigerlily
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@Russell said in [Nathan Brown](/post/1054458) said:
I recalled it playing out a little bit differently from my perspective, but it was so long ago I can’t remember all the facts now.
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