National anthem

[mike]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

If you are saying every Australian has to agree with any changes you are dreaming, it would never happen. Some people will like it some people won’t. The best you can hope for is that the majority of people do like any change and in this instance, that appears to be the case.

What I am saying is that everyone should have the opportunity to decide and the majority decide the change, changes if any.

That is never going to be the reality for minor changes.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

If you are saying every Australian has to agree with any changes you are dreaming, it would never happen. Some people will like it some people won’t. The best you can hope for is that the majority of people do like any change and in this instance, that appears to be the case.

What I am saying is that everyone should have the opportunity to decide and the majority decide the change, changes if any.

So you would like a plebiscite to change one word?

I’d like a plebiscite to outlaw the use of the word plebiscite ?

 

[cochise]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

If you are saying every Australian has to agree with any changes you are dreaming, it would never happen. Some people will like it some people won’t. The best you can hope for is that the majority of people do like any change and in this instance, that appears to be the case.

What I am saying is that everyone should have the opportunity to decide and the majority decide the change, changes if any.

That is never going to be the reality for minor changes.

The National Anthem is not legislated and has been changed at the decision of the government on numerous occasions. It was changed, by the Whitlam Government, to Advance Australia in 1974 after a poll with 60000 respondents gave it 51% of the vote which included 3 options

In 1976 the Fraser Government reinstated God Save the Queen.

In 1977 an additional optional question was included on the referendum about the National Anthem with Advance Australia Fair receiving 43% of the vote from the 3 options. This resulted in no change to the Anthem until 1984.

In 1984 Advance Australia Fair was again made the National Anthem though word changes were made along with verses being dropped.

At no point has the Australian people really been listened to in regards the the National Anthem and multiple governments have made changes without asking the people. The only time the people were asked on a large scale resulted in no change for the next 7 years.

 

[cochise]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

If you are saying every Australian has to agree with any changes you are dreaming, it would never happen. Some people will like it some people won’t. The best you can hope for is that the majority of people do like any change and in this instance, that appears to be the case.

What I am saying is that everyone should have the opportunity to decide and the majority decide the change, changes if any.

So you would like a plebiscite to change one word?

I’d like a plebiscite to outlaw the use of the word plebiscite ?

I would like a plebiscite on the Roosters participation the the NRL.

 

[mike]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

If you are saying every Australian has to agree with any changes you are dreaming, it would never happen. Some people will like it some people won’t. The best you can hope for is that the majority of people do like any change and in this instance, that appears to be the case.

What I am saying is that everyone should have the opportunity to decide and the majority decide the change, changes if any.

So you would like a plebiscite to change one word?

I’d like a plebiscite to outlaw the use of the word plebiscite ?

I would like a plebiscite on the Roosters participation the the NRL.

Add Manly to that plebiscite.

 

[Donjer]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

Thought you said these were your final words; but I guess you can't help yourself?

Everyone has a right to an opinion, but quite frankly I disagree wholeheartedly with your point of view. I'm not an indigenous person, but this change is a very small step in the right direction.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

If you are saying every Australian has to agree with any changes you are dreaming, it would never happen. Some people will like it some people won’t. The best you can hope for is that the majority of people do like any change and in this instance, that appears to be the case.

What I am saying is that everyone should have the opportunity to decide and the majority decide the change, changes if any.

So you would like a plebiscite to change one word?

I’d like a plebiscite to outlaw the use of the word plebiscite ?

I would like a plebiscite on the Roosters participation the the NRL.

Where do I sign?

 

[happy_tiger]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

If you are saying every Australian has to agree with any changes you are dreaming, it would never happen. Some people will like it some people won’t. The best you can hope for is that the majority of people do like any change and in this instance, that appears to be the case.

What I am saying is that everyone should have the opportunity to decide and the majority decide the change, changes if any.

So you would like a plebiscite to change one word?

I’d like a plebiscite to outlaw the use of the word plebiscite ?

I would like a plebiscite on the Roosters participation the the NRL.

Where do I sign?

Politis's blue ringed octupus

 

[Russell]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

Thought you said these were your final words; but I guess you can't help yourself?

Everyone has a right to an opinion, but quite frankly I disagree wholeheartedly with your point of view. I'm not an indigenous person, but this change is a very small step in the right direction.

Another final word.

It is not the change or what change it is - with me it is the fact that the people have no say (one of the reasons of the controversy).

My gripe is "that the people should decide in one final stab (anthem, flag and republic) - then put it to bed.

 

[JayT]

Even though I want an entirely new anthem, the word change is a baby step but at least a step. Apart from the uninspiring lyrics, the melody has a combination of being so vanilla while also covering a wide vocal range, especially the falling pattern near the end, so nobody can sing it. As soon as you get more than one person singing it, it sounds nearly as bad a bunch of kids playing hot cross buns on recorders.

 

[Tiger_Steve]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

Thought you said these were your final words; but I guess you can't help yourself?

Everyone has a right to an opinion, but quite frankly I disagree wholeheartedly with your point of view. I'm not an indigenous person, but this change is a very small step in the right direction.

Another final word.

It is not the change or what change it is - with me it is the fact that the people have no say (one of the reasons of the controversy).

My gripe is "that the people should decide in one final stab (anthem, flag and republic) - then put it to bed.

More final words than Johnny Farnham?

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

Thought you said these were your final words; but I guess you can't help yourself?

Everyone has a right to an opinion, but quite frankly I disagree wholeheartedly with your point of view. I'm not an indigenous person, but this change is a very small step in the right direction.

Another final word.

It is not the change or what change it is - with me it is the fact that the people have no say (one of the reasons of the controversy).

My gripe is "that the people should decide in one final stab (anthem, flag and republic) - then put it to bed.

Correct, compare this with 'GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE'
The governments at any level are composed of lawyers, accountants, 'professional activists' .. and very few 'blue-collar workers i.e. farmers, small business, and even engineers. It is easy to see that they don't have their skin in the game.
So it shall surprise no-one that they just play games, their main goal is to 'look good', and not do any good.
Shallow symbolism is much easier than creating jobs, for instance, by cutting the green/red tape, payroll tax, or increasing productivity.

 

[hobbo1]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

Thought you said these were your final words; but I guess you can't help yourself?

Everyone has a right to an opinion, but quite frankly I disagree wholeheartedly with your point of view. I'm not an indigenous person, but this change is a very small step in the right direction.

Another final word.

It is not the change or what change it is - with me it is the fact that the people have no say (one of the reasons of the controversy).

My gripe is "that the people should decide in one final stab (anthem, flag and republic) - then put it to bed.

We are one ...
We are many ...
I’m not ..
You are ..
You are Australian...
Oi..Oi..Oi..

 

[happy_tiger]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

Thought you said these were your final words; but I guess you can't help yourself?

Everyone has a right to an opinion, but quite frankly I disagree wholeheartedly with your point of view. I'm not an indigenous person, but this change is a very small step in the right direction.

Another final word.

It is not the change or what change it is - with me it is the fact that the people have no say (one of the reasons of the controversy).

My gripe is "that the people should decide in one final stab (anthem, flag and republic) - then put it to bed.

We are one ...
We are many ...
I’m not ..
You are ..
You are Australian...
Oi..Oi..Oi..

God Save our Cricket team
God Save Our Football Team
God Save Our Useless Pricks

 

[twentyforty]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

Thought you said these were your final words; but I guess you can't help yourself?

Everyone has a right to an opinion, but quite frankly I disagree wholeheartedly with your point of view. I'm not an indigenous person, but this change is a very small step in the right direction.

Another final word.

It is not the change or what change it is - with me it is the fact that the people have no say (one of the reasons of the controversy).

My gripe is "that the people should decide in one final stab (anthem, flag and republic) - then put it to bed.

You can put it to bed and drive it home all you like, but there will always be an argument for change as historically significant facts are uncovered to give new meaning to a word. I once thought sick to be negative now if you’re fully sick it’s a great thing.

 

[mike]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

Thought you said these were your final words; but I guess you can't help yourself?

Everyone has a right to an opinion, but quite frankly I disagree wholeheartedly with your point of view. I'm not an indigenous person, but this change is a very small step in the right direction.

Another final word.

It is not the change or what change it is - with me it is the fact that the people have no say (one of the reasons of the controversy).

My gripe is "that the people should decide in one final stab (anthem, flag and republic) - then put it to bed.

But you do have a say. You have a say every 4 years. That’s what you vote your political representatives to do, represent you. If you don’t like how they are doing that you have an opportunity at the next election to vote them out.

 

[hank37w]

The problem more often than not is that the alternative is no better.

 

[Russell]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

Thought you said these were your final words; but I guess you can't help yourself?

Everyone has a right to an opinion, but quite frankly I disagree wholeheartedly with your point of view. I'm not an indigenous person, but this change is a very small step in the right direction.

Another final word.

It is not the change or what change it is - with me it is the fact that the people have no say (one of the reasons of the controversy).

My gripe is "that the people should decide in one final stab (anthem, flag and republic) - then put it to bed.

But you do have a say. You have a say every 4 years. That’s what you vote your political representatives to do, represent you. If you don’t like how they are doing that you have an opportunity at the next election to vote them out.

I do understand all that - I haven't been living under a rock.

If you have a situation where party A wants to change 4 lines of the Anthem and party B does not - and the result is party A wins the election and changes the 4 lines, it is good, in your opinion. However party A wants to give every worker a 4% pay rise and party B does not - it would almost be assured that A wins the election. The undercurrent of this is that the Athem gets changed as well, possibly by default. It does not necessarily mean that the majority wanted the Anthem changed, it means that the majority wanted the pay rise.

Unless people forgo the pay rise, because they didn't want the Athem changed - they have no chance of being heard.

I have a say yes, it also depends on lots of other things at the time - As I said before 2 extra squares on the ballot form yes/no solves the problem at the election without spending heaps of dough.

 

[cochise]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

Thought you said these were your final words; but I guess you can't help yourself?

Everyone has a right to an opinion, but quite frankly I disagree wholeheartedly with your point of view. I'm not an indigenous person, but this change is a very small step in the right direction.

Another final word.

It is not the change or what change it is - with me it is the fact that the people have no say (one of the reasons of the controversy).

My gripe is "that the people should decide in one final stab (anthem, flag and republic) - then put it to bed.

But you do have a say. You have a say every 4 years. That’s what you vote your political representatives to do, represent you. If you don’t like how they are doing that you have an opportunity at the next election to vote them out.

I do understand all that - I haven't been living under a rock.

If you have a situation where party A wants to change 4 lines of the Anthem and party B does not - and the result is party A wins the election and changes the 4 lines, it is good, in your opinion. However party A wants to give every worker a 4% pay rise and party B does not - it would almost be assured that A wins the election. The undercurrent of this is that the Athem gets changed as well, possibly by default. It does not necessarily mean that the majority wanted the Anthem changed, it means that the majority wanted the pay rise.

Unless people forgo the pay rise, because they didn't want the Athem changed - they have no chance of being heard.

I have a say yes, it also depends on lots of other things at the time - As I said before 2 extra squares on the ballot form yes/no solves the problem at the election without spending heaps of dough.

So where do you draw the line? When you vote you are voting for someone from your community to represent you in parliament and make these decisions on your behalf, the alternative is having everyone vote on every issue.

The only items that require a full population vote in Australia are constitutional changes. The anthem is not in the constitution.

 

[Russell]

The change does seem to be getting some positive support.

On A Current Affair a short time ago.

66% Against the change - 34% for the change.

Not sure, don't think that is positive, but I don't want to be negative about it.

Now I guy in reply saying we need to look at verse 2 (people) and 3 (values).

So it will go on.

Not surprising from the viewership of ACA. The support I was talking about was from the indigenous community.

Oh! right, and the rest of the country doesn't count. Is that right?

Yeah, because that is what I said. Talk about pot stirring lol

Well I don't think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it.

I also don't think the PM or any other lone individual (specifically the GG - representing the Queen, should have any say in it), should be able to change it without the Nations approval.

It was bad enough that Kerr sacked an elected PM (by the people) - without the Queen knowing I might add. Now he GG wants to meddle again.

It is the indigenous community that has an issue with the anthem as is, so I would think it would be important that any changes that are trying to rectify that have the support of that community. I was merely pointing out that the changes has support of some members of that community and when people like Freeman and Warren Mundine come out and support it then I tend to listen.

The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf

Who are you to dictate what a group of people should be happy with? What a condescending attitude. It doesn't matter why the change was made if the change doesn't address the issues people were complaining about. It appears some people in the indigenous community feel the change addresses some of their issues.

Where did I say "dictate what a group of people should be happy with"

I said as the following quote below:

"Well I don’t think the changes should be made to make the Aboriginal community happy.

The changes should be made to make the whole Nation happy - not just a section of it."

Don't put words in my posts thank you very much.

Condescending attitude, dictating - nice one Chief - I am sure you will say I am a racist next.

End of discussion.

I quoted you directly, you stated

"The Aboriginal community should be happy with any changes made as it is being done on their behalf"

That is dictating what people should be happy about and is a direct quote from your post.

Can't find it myself but anyway we agree to disagree.

You stated that Aboriginal people should be happy with any changes made. Why are you deciding what they should be happy with?

You are right about one thing, we aren't going to agree on this one. lol

My last words, Cochise on this topic as it stands.

I am not deciding what the Aboriginal Community should be happy with.

I am saying and I will S.P.E.L.L. it out.

To start with, whatever the decision on the anthem, should in my opinion be decided by the WHOLE Nation not just one, a few, or a few hundred thousand.

Secondly any changes should be acceptable to the WHOLE Nation, not just a section. The National Anthem is important to the majority of Immigrant Australia and the Aboriginal Community alike.

It is not a joke, I take it seriously as I would hope most people do. The Government without consultation changing one word or two words are not taking this seriously enough imo.

Final words from me. Thanks for the discussion, but we have ended where we started.

Thought you said these were your final words; but I guess you can't help yourself?

Everyone has a right to an opinion, but quite frankly I disagree wholeheartedly with your point of view. I'm not an indigenous person, but this change is a very small step in the right direction.

Another final word.

It is not the change or what change it is - with me it is the fact that the people have no say (one of the reasons of the controversy).

My gripe is "that the people should decide in one final stab (anthem, flag and republic) - then put it to bed.

But you do have a say. You have a say every 4 years. That’s what you vote your political representatives to do, represent you. If you don’t like how they are doing that you have an opportunity at the next election to vote them out.

I do understand all that - I haven't been living under a rock.

If you have a situation where party A wants to change 4 lines of the Anthem and party B does not - and the result is party A wins the election and changes the 4 lines, it is good, in your opinion. However party A wants to give every worker a 4% pay rise and party B does not - it would almost be assured that A wins the election. The undercurrent of this is that the Athem gets changed as well, possibly by default. It does not necessarily mean that the majority wanted the Anthem changed, it means that the majority wanted the pay rise.

Unless people forgo the pay rise, because they didn't want the Athem changed - they have no chance of being heard.

I have a say yes, it also depends on lots of other things at the time - As I said before 2 extra squares on the ballot form yes/no solves the problem at the election without spending heaps of dough.

So where do you draw the line? When you vote you are voting for someone from your community to represent you in parliament and make these decisions on your behalf, the alternative is having everyone vote on every issue.

The only items that require a full population vote in Australia are constitutional changes. The anthem is not in the constitution.

Depends how important you consider the Anthem, the Anthem issue with the Aboriginals, the flag and the GG issue.

I consider them to be super important (some people don't) - I don't care whether if it is part of the constitution - these issues affect every person on this continent and should have that importance. You cannot trust a party to do or not do what they say before an election.

e.g. Howard saying he would not bring in the GST. There are many examples from both sides, that one just readily springs to mind.

Don't expect you to agree Cochise - just stating my thoughts.