New idea for Salary Cap.

[tiger_sean]

I have thought about this over the last few days since Melbourne have been caught rorting the current salary cap system and I think the Cap needs a rehaul.

I don't know if this would work but I thought I would toss up the idea.

I think the cap needs to have a a value based on a player rating system.
i.e instead of having a money cap there is a cap which is made up of how good players are.

For this to happen players need to have a value based on there talent.
Im not too sure how this would be worked out but you would need a group of people who work out all players values maybe based on how many rep games they've played and their statistics.

So for example Benji Marshall might have a value of $400'000.
The tigers can pay him whatever they want but there top 25 players value can only add up to
whatever the cap restriction is.

To reward teams for building there own juniors or spotting talent before others a player should be rated once they are first put into a teams top 25 and there value will remain the same as long as they remain at that same team.
E.g because we bought marshall before any other team when he first played his rating might be 100'000.
he would retain that value whilst he stays at the tigers. But say Marshall signs for Cronulla he would be
re-valued at $400'000.

It is only an idea and I have only thought about it a little but I think it could work. It would let players receive more money but still maintain a fairness between teams and how equal they are in regards to talent.

Your welcome to add ideas or suggestions or just shoot me down. :slight_smile:

 

[alex]

i dont get it

aren't players already valued based on their talents?

 

[alien]

I really don't have a problem with how the salary cap is at the moment to be honest. If a team really wants to keep their juniors then they can but it would just mean they can't keep some of the other players. Just like how Wests Tigers could have kept Brett Hodgson if they really wanted too. All Wests Tigers had to do is not sign someone else earlier and they would have been able to keep him, but they obviously didn't really care about keeping him. I'm not saying they should have signed him again. I'm just saying nobody can blame the salary cap.

 

[alien]

To reward teams for building there own juniors or spotting talent before others a player should be rated once they are first put into a teams top 25 and there value will remain the same as long as they remain at that same team.
E.g because we bought marshall before any other team when he first played his rating might be 100'000.
he would retain that value whilst he stays at the tigers. But say Marshall signs for Cronulla he would be
re-valued at $400'000.

It is only an idea and I have only thought about it a little but I think it could work. It would let players receive more money but still maintain a fairness between teams and how equal they are in regards to talent.

Your welcome to add ideas or suggestions or just shoot me down. :slight_smile:

The only problem with that is the NRL clubs will start overpaying 17-18 year olds way too much.

 

[Yossarian]

The devil would be in the detail. Does a test match for say Fiji count the same as one for Aust or a SOO? Then you get down to non rep players where Keith Galloway could be worth the same as Dane Tilse. The changes that really need to be made are rewards for loyalty and player development. Juniors should not cost the same for the club that graded them as a player bought from elsewhere. In my opinion anyway…

 

[biggest_tigers_fan]

I'm thinking we should allow teams to have 1 marquee player exempt from the cap but he must be limited to 500k per season(you can pay more but it goes on the cap eg.Thurston 700k would only cost you 200k).Also think there should be a reward for developing your juniors eg. Marshall would of been on something like 100k when he first played in 2003 now he is on 475k so instead of putting 475k towards the cap i think the nrl should exempt %50 of 475k so in retrospect Marshall would only eat up 232.5k of the cap.I think this will allow players to remain in oz.

 

[Bazzinator]

I think they should make it 10 % off the players wage for 3 years at the one club, 20% for 5 years, 25 % for 7 years, 50% for 10 years. So if you have someone on the books from the age of 14 or 15 which clubs do by the time they hit their peak you only have half of their wage counted to the salary cap. increases player loyalty and gives meaning to signing juniors. although it will be exploited by some clubs, roosters, it gives a balance to the cap and alleviate future problems like the melbourne one

 

[Tiger_Watto]

The current Salary Cap System and Limit is only in place to ensure Clubs dont overspend. It is also a tool to spread talent across the competition… What a load of crap!!!

The NSWRL and QRL all have competitions for Football Clubs. The NRL is not about Football Clubs, it is an International Competition about Big Business and Corporate Identity. If poorly run clubs cant afford to be in the NRL, then they can go play in the NSW Cup or Queensland Cup. The current Cap System only rewards poorly managed businesses. Why? The Sydney Clubs wouldnt survive in a level playing field within a National Competition based on average Revenues across Regions. The Brisbanes, Titans and Melbourne earn in excess of 20m each year compared to the Sydney Clubs earning an average of 14m. The NRL and the Sydney Clubs will tell us we arent ready for expansion because there just isnt enough revenue, but expansion has nothing to do with revenue. It is 100% about PASSION & IGNORANCE!!! Why should a club who develops junior talent, be forced to let that player go because Nick Politis thinks its easier to buy players than develop them? If Brisbane spend 300k on developing a young Darren Lockyer before he even plays grade football, why should they be punished in having to let him go because he can get more money elsewhere? The current system is a joke and needs to go.

With that off my chest, I think we need to go back to Junior Development to find a suitable system that is viable for ALL Clubs. I'll go out there and say we need a Salary Cap of 1m per Club. Yes thats right, only 1m!

All Clubs should be allocated Junior Development Regions within every State outside of Capital Cities. In Qld, NSW, VIC, SA, WA & NT (do we need Tasmania?), the state is broken into 16 Regions. The Capital Cities are also broken into 16 Regions. Every Club who develop juniors within their regions will not have those players included in a Salary Cap. Clubs who choose to take the easy option can only spend 1m per year on players from outside of thier Development Region. (yep, the Roosters are screwed???)

 

[AndTheKungFoSing]

They need to have a system which doesn't seek to stop clubs buying every player by just limiting what they can spend, but encouraging them to keep players at the club on board.

I think any player who signs on after a initial 3yr period (regardless of their club of origin) should have exemptions made… for example in the fouth year at a club only 95% is included in the cap, then the next year might only see 90% and so on.

This gives the clubs the ability to retain players and also players who show loyalty the ability to earn more.

 

[Yossarian]

The current Salary Cap System and Limit is only in place to ensure Clubs dont overspend. It is also a tool to spread talent across the competition… What a load of crap!!!

The NSWRL and QRL all have competitions for Football Clubs. The NRL is not about Football Clubs, it is an International Competition about Big Business and Corporate Identity. If poorly run clubs cant afford to be in the NRL, then they can go play in the NSW Cup or Queensland Cup. The current Cap System only rewards poorly managed businesses. Why? The Sydney Clubs wouldnt survive in a level playing field within a National Competition based on average Revenues across Regions. The Brisbanes, Titans and Melbourne earn in excess of 20m each year compared to the Sydney Clubs earning an average of 14m.

How does Melbourne earn $20 million a year???? And I mean earn not get given to them by News Ltd.

 

[Yossarian]

The current Salary Cap System and Limit is only in place to ensure Clubs dont overspend. It is also a tool to spread talent across the competition… What a load of crap!!!

The NSWRL and QRL all have competitions for Football Clubs. The NRL is not about Football Clubs, it is an International Competition about Big Business and Corporate Identity. If poorly run clubs cant afford to be in the NRL, then they can go play in the NSW Cup or Queensland Cup. The current Cap System only rewards poorly managed businesses. Why? The Sydney Clubs wouldnt survive in a level playing field within a National Competition based on average Revenues across Regions. The Brisbanes, Titans and Melbourne earn in excess of 20m each year compared to the Sydney Clubs earning an average of 14m. The NRL and the Sydney Clubs will tell us we arent ready for expansion because there just isnt enough revenue, but expansion has nothing to do with revenue. It is 100% about PASSION & IGNORANCE!!! Why should a club who develops junior talent, be forced to let that player go because Nick Politis thinks its easier to buy players than develop them? If Brisbane spend 300k on developing a young Darren Lockyer before he even plays grade football, why should they be punished in having to let him go because he can get more money elsewhere? The current system is a joke and needs to go.

With that off my chest, I think we need to go back to Junior Development to find a suitable system that is viable for ALL Clubs. I'll go out there and say we need a Salary Cap of 1m per Club. Yes thats right, only 1m!

All Clubs should be allocated Junior Development Regions within every State outside of Capital Cities. In Qld, NSW, VIC, SA, WA & NT (do we need Tasmania?), the state is broken into 16 Regions. The Capital Cities are also broken into 16 Regions. Every Club who develop juniors within their regions will not have those players included in a Salary Cap. Clubs who choose to take the easy option can only spend 1m per year on players from outside of thier Development Region. (yep, the Roosters are screwed???)

Sounds like a combination of the old NSWRL import limit and the VFL zoning. Not sure either of them were that greatly successful.

 

[TheSunTanSuperman]

If you're a junior and or come to a side without having played 1st grade at any other side, you receive concessions every year. Once you hit 10 years of service you should be able to receive money outside the cap. Say Farah gets 300k from the cap, but sponsors give him another 200k. This rewards loyalty yet doesn't put clubs in a position where they have to find an extra 400,000+ outside the cap. In 3 years time, when Robbie Farah is a 10 year player for us, he should be exempt from the same rules that apply to players like Kimmorley or Ennis, who have 9 clubs between them.

 

[weststigers]

The idea with the juniors is great, but there will be the argument from other clubs that we, for one, have a greater base of junior talent to choose from. Same with Brisbane. I think it would be unfair.

I think the system should be left how it is with a better way of policing the cap. The fact remains that only a few clubs can afford to pay players the sort of money Melbourne was and it would be a case of the richest clubs being the most successful. I don't think it would work.

I think the only change that should be thought about is a player should be entitled to a certain amount of 'loyalty money' for staying with the one club which shouldn't be included in the cap..

 

[Tiger_Watto]

The idea with the juniors is great, but there will be the argument from other clubs that we, for one, have a greater base of junior talent to choose from. Same with Brisbane. I think it would be unfair.

The argument about some clubs having greater junior bases is foolish. They just need to look outside of thier 'traditonal' development zones.

You only have to look at Melbournes junior development from the past few years: Brett White; Cameron Smith; Dallas Johnstone; Cooper Cronk; Greg Inglis; Israel Falou; Dane Neilson; Will Chambers; Billy Slater. All these players have been from thier junior development program which they blooded into NRL. Not one grew up or played football in Melbourne? Nor should Melbourne be forced to off-load these players is they have made them superstars!!!

Ignorance and passion are the only restrictions to this competition growing in the right direction!!!!

 

[TheSunTanSuperman]

The idea with the juniors is great, but there will be the argument from other clubs that we, for one, have a greater base of junior talent to choose from. Same with Brisbane. I think it would be unfair.

The argument about some clubs having greater junior bases is foolish. They just need to look outside of thier 'traditonal' development zones.

You only have to look at Melbournes junior development from the past few years: Brett White; Cameron Smith; Dallas Johnstone; Cooper Cronk; Greg Inglis; Israel Falou; Dane Neilson; Will Chambers; Billy Slater. All these players have been from thier junior development program which they blooded into NRL. Not one grew up or played football in Melbourne? Nor should Melbourne be forced to off-load these players is they have made them superstars!!!

Ignorance and passion are the only restrictions to this competition growing in the right direction!!!!

Smith and Cronk are Brisbane juniors. Inglis is a Newcastle junior and Brett White is a Dragons junior. The fact that Melbourne cheated to keep these 'superstars' bloody well means they should be forced to get rid of them. There are rules for every side and I am sick to death of people trying to use "the growth of the game" as a reason for the Storm to not be punished.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Smith and Cronk are Brisbane juniors. Inglis is a Newcastle junior and Brett White is a Dragons junior. The fact that Melbourne cheated to keep these 'superstars' bloody well means they should be forced to get rid of them. There are rules for every side and I am sick to death of people trying to use "the growth of the game" as a reason for the Storm to not be punished.

The point is they all came through Melbournes feeder team Norths Devils as 'juniors'. My main point is teams should not be punished for developing juniors into NRL Stars. This is why the current Salary Cap structure MUST change…

 

[Vicious]

Smith and Cronk are Brisbane juniors. Inglis is a Newcastle junior and Brett White is a Dragons junior. The fact that Melbourne cheated to keep these 'superstars' bloody well means they should be forced to get rid of them. There are rules for every side and I am sick to death of people trying to use "the growth of the game" as a reason for the Storm to not be punished.

The point is they all came through Melbournes feeder team Norths Devils as 'juniors'. My main point is teams should not be punished for developing juniors into NRL Stars. This is why the current Salary Cap structure MUST change…

Agree with you 100% Watto. The stars should be able to be paid whatever their club likes as long as they were developed by that club or have been at that club for 5 years or more. I want the best players to remain in rugby league, not continue to go to other codes or overseas because they can earn more money. It disappoints me that rugby league continues to lose players such as Gasnier, Sonny Bill, Ryan Cross, Karmichael Hunt and now also looks likely to lose Israel Folau. Luckily they aren`t Tigers players, but it would hurt bad if we developed a genuine superstar only for them to leave us because we aren`t allowed to pay what other codes can because of the salary cap.
I know people will say we can`t afford to pay much more than what the salary cap limit is and that`s it`s protecting us from extinction, but I don`t agree as we along with most other clubs have plenty of sponsors or big money backers who would happily help with third party deals for the elite players if that was allowed under the salary cap. Something needs to be done fast for the good of the game, we aren`t second rate behind rugby union and AFL, but if we keep losing our best players we will quickly become a second rate competition !

 

[Juro]

The other option for rewarding clubs and players for loyalty is to have transfer fees apply when players change clubs. Clubs that want to buy talent need to pay the clubs that develop the talent.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

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by Juro » Thu Apr 29, 2010 1:49 pm
The other option for rewarding clubs and players for loyalty is to have transfer fees apply when players change clubs. Clubs that want to buy talent need to pay the clubs that develop the talent.

Losing Developed Talent has always been my main sticking point with the Cap.

Great Idea Juro…

 

[weststigers]

Smith and Cronk are Brisbane juniors. Inglis is a Newcastle junior and Brett White is a Dragons junior. The fact that Melbourne cheated to keep these 'superstars' bloody well means they should be forced to get rid of them. There are rules for every side and I am sick to death of people trying to use "the growth of the game" as a reason for the Storm to not be punished.

The point is they all came through Melbournes feeder team Norths Devils as 'juniors'. My main point is teams should not be punished for developing juniors into NRL Stars. This is why the current Salary Cap structure MUST change…

Can you really call the Norths Devils Melbourne juniors? They are effectively just poaching QLD talent under the guise of a feeder team aren't they? Regardless, you only give the Storm as an example. What about other teams?