NRL announces rule changes

@twentyforty said in [NRL announces rule changes](/post/1281595) said:
@TheDaBoss said in [NRL announces rule changes](/post/1281581) said:
More chance of seeing this 40m field goal than a 20 40 imo

I reckon it’s got legs. Admittedly, they have been a rarity but will now be double the value on the scoreboard. There has been times in tight games when praying to the football gods could not produce a penalty from the 40, now this new rule allows a team to take it. You get a sharpshooter in a tight defensive game and your side could be up 10-0 at the break ?

Who is going to step up and be the modern day “ Eric Simms”? Eric is most likely the reason field goals went from 2 points to 1 point, he could kick them from anywhere.
 
Although have to commend changes last season with new rules you have to think where is the game still slowing down?

My observations its inside the opposition 10 yard line where the issue is with penalties given away. I do understand repeated infringements are a sin binning offence however what if you give away a penalty inside own 10 - 1st offence 5 mins sin bin???

Secondly the amount of Captain's challenges that were actually correct shows that Ref's are making errors - Prefer one call each half and weather right or wrong that's all the calls you get.

I do like when a try is awarded by Ref not waiting on Bunker until kick to be taken should make more game time, players will need to be much fitter this season.
 
@mike said in [NRL announces rule changes](/post/1281605) said:
@twentyforty said in [NRL announces rule changes](/post/1281595) said:
@TheDaBoss said in [NRL announces rule changes](/post/1281581) said:
More chance of seeing this 40m field goal than a 20 40 imo

I reckon it’s got legs. Admittedly, they have been a rarity but will now be double the value on the scoreboard. There has been times in tight games when praying to the football gods could not produce a penalty from the 40, now this new rule allows a team to take it. You get a sharpshooter in a tight defensive game and your side could be up 10-0 at the break ?

Who is going to step up and be the modern day “ Eric Simms”? Eric is most likely the reason field goals went from 2 points to 1 point, he could kick them from anywhere.


Yes he could, but There was a time when a young Claude Williams was given the ball by Eric to have a shot from near the halfway not far from the sideline. It was thought that Claude was more certain of getting the distance. Point is , the skill can be improved to match the need.
 
I don't like changes to scoring that aren't for a very good reason. How long before a coach with a struggling attack decides he wants to focus on yardage and long range field goals? Would make the game terrible to watch. Could literally just play a strong defensive side and try to win games with field goals.
 
@twentyforty said in [NRL announces rule changes](/post/1281612) said:
@mike said in [NRL announces rule changes](/post/1281605) said:
@twentyforty said in [NRL announces rule changes](/post/1281595) said:
@TheDaBoss said in [NRL announces rule changes](/post/1281581) said:
More chance of seeing this 40m field goal than a 20 40 imo

I reckon it’s got legs. Admittedly, they have been a rarity but will now be double the value on the scoreboard. There has been times in tight games when praying to the football gods could not produce a penalty from the 40, now this new rule allows a team to take it. You get a sharpshooter in a tight defensive game and your side could be up 10-0 at the break ?

Who is going to step up and be the modern day “ Eric Simms”? Eric is most likely the reason field goals went from 2 points to 1 point, he could kick them from anywhere.


Yes he could, but There was a time when a young Claude Williams was given the ball by Eric to have a shot from near the halfway not far from the sideline. It was thought that Claude was more certain of getting the distance. Point is , the skill can be improved to match the need.

Exactly. Once they start shooting them for all over I wonder how long it will be before they realise their error and reduce it back to 1 point?
 
@old_man_tiger said in [NRL announces rule changes](/post/1281614) said:
I don't like changes to scoring that aren't for a very good reason. How long before a coach with a struggling attack decides he wants to focus on yardage and long range field goals? Would make the game terrible to watch. Could literally just play a strong defensive side and try to win games with field goals.

Was thinking the same thing. If within striking range the reward of 2 points may start outweighing the risk of 7 tackle set. Who knows.

Reminds me of the old school Rugby League 2 PS2 game (for anyone on here who played it), attempting a field goal after the end of each set usually was better than trying to make a regular kick hahah

lets hope clubs don't start playing that way.
 
I can see the refs and bunker getting the 2 point field goal wrong as often as not.Suttons Klein Cummins are all hopeless and this is just another thing they can stuff up
 
Hate some of these rules - and how abrupt they are without even trialing them.

The six again for inside the 10 is going to slaughter our club more than any other.
 
Six agains for slowing down the ruck got abused by the top teams. Pretty easy to see the offsides will be abused also, even more so than wrestling. With no threat of an actual penalty it will be a lot easier for teams to hold their opposition down in their own end. We will struggle because of this
 
Six again rule is a massive overkill,2 o 3 again would be fair.It is inconsistenly applied be pannicky refs with no idea of common sense,6 again can kill any side ,.
 
@Moh said in [NRL announces rule changes](/post/1281621) said:
Hate some of these rules - and how abrupt they are without even trialing them.

The six again for inside the 10 is going to slaughter our club more than any other.

If we continue to play the same way we'll be hammered with that 6 again. I can see teams really getting a roll on against us. Once they do in any given set, the only way we'll stop them is by flying in with professional fouls. Could get very messy..
 
@mike said in [NRL announces rule changes](/post/1281616) said:
@twentyforty said in [NRL announces rule changes](/post/1281612) said:
@mike said in [NRL announces rule changes](/post/1281605) said:
@twentyforty said in [NRL announces rule changes](/post/1281595) said:
@TheDaBoss said in [NRL announces rule changes](/post/1281581) said:
More chance of seeing this 40m field goal than a 20 40 imo

I reckon it’s got legs. Admittedly, they have been a rarity but will now be double the value on the scoreboard. There has been times in tight games when praying to the football gods could not produce a penalty from the 40, now this new rule allows a team to take it. You get a sharpshooter in a tight defensive game and your side could be up 10-0 at the break ?

Who is going to step up and be the modern day “ Eric Simms”? Eric is most likely the reason field goals went from 2 points to 1 point, he could kick them from anywhere.


Yes he could, but There was a time when a young Claude Williams was given the ball by Eric to have a shot from near the halfway not far from the sideline. It was thought that Claude was more certain of getting the distance. Point is , the skill can be improved to match the need.

Exactly. Once they start shooting them for all over I wonder how long it will be before they realise their error and reduce it back to 1 point?


When the Gate takings aren’t matching the cost of 2 refs behind the sticks giving the two finger point for a behind AFL style. If the extra workload can be handled by the existing linesman I reckon they would require incredible anticipation and the speed of JAC. Has the nrl thought of that? Or is each FG being ruled by the bunker?
 
@rustycage said in [NRL announces rule changes](/post/1281526) said:
@happy_tiger said in [NRL announces rule changes](/post/1281146) said:
Do wr want to speed the game up anymore .....some of these rules reek of touch football .....penalize sides for incorrect play the balls ..use the rules of the game

This infatuation with constantly speeding up the game is just ridiculous. I to don't understand why referees can't just enforce the existing rules. Incorrect Play the ball - penalty. Scrum infringement - penalty. Offside - penalty. Honestly, it's really not that hard. It's a simple game but we try to confuse the hell out of it with grey areas and bunkers and hypothesis of what might have happened if......

Ratings... It's a TV product

Free flowing = ratings
 
The Problem with some of the rule changes is clubs have recruited already ...I would suggest some clubs may have rethought some recruitment decisions based on these rules ...that is wrong ......very similar to 2006 but in the opposite direction
 
@innsaneink said in [NRL announces rule changes](/post/1281761) said:
@rustycage said in [NRL announces rule changes](/post/1281526) said:
@happy_tiger said in [NRL announces rule changes](/post/1281146) said:
Do wr want to speed the game up anymore .....some of these rules reek of touch football .....penalize sides for incorrect play the balls ..use the rules of the game

This infatuation with constantly speeding up the game is just ridiculous. I to don't understand why referees can't just enforce the existing rules. Incorrect Play the ball - penalty. Scrum infringement - penalty. Offside - penalty. Honestly, it's really not that hard. It's a simple game but we try to confuse the hell out of it with grey areas and bunkers and hypothesis of what might have happened if......

Ratings... It's a TV product

Free flowing = ratings


Yes, and in a blink we have a new game of cricket.
 
@mike said in [NRL announces rule changes](/post/1281605) said:
@twentyforty said in [NRL announces rule changes](/post/1281595) said:
@TheDaBoss said in [NRL announces rule changes](/post/1281581) said:
More chance of seeing this 40m field goal than a 20 40 imo

I reckon it’s got legs. Admittedly, they have been a rarity but will now be double the value on the scoreboard. There has been times in tight games when praying to the football gods could not produce a penalty from the 40, now this new rule allows a team to take it. You get a sharpshooter in a tight defensive game and your side could be up 10-0 at the break ?

Who is going to step up and be the modern day “ Eric Simms”? Eric is most likely the reason field goals went from 2 points to 1 point, he could kick them from anywhere.


Barry Glasgow kicked 29 in 1969 for Wests and overall 44 in 43 games. There was one game against Norths in 1969 where Norths scored 4 tries to 1 and lost due to Glasgows kicking. So Norths signed him for season 1970. The points for a field goal was dropped from 2 to 1 from 1970. Glasgow only kicked 1 field goal for Norths in 3 seasons. LOL. Poor old Norths couldn't take a trick.
 
NRL NEWS

New rules to put heat on forwards, force interchange shuffle
Author
Brad Walter & Chris Kennedy
Tue 15 Dec 2020, 07:01 AM

Forwards are going to need to be more mobile and fitter than ever, while teams are likely to carry an extra hooker or playmaker on the interchange to take advantage of next season's rule changes. NRL coaches, players and trainers are already adjusting their plans for 2021 after the ARL Commission on Friday announced eight new rules largely intended to create more unpredictability and speed up the game by reducing stoppages and keeping the ball in play longer.

With the six-again call expanded to replace a penalty for offside, defences are likely to be under increased pressure and bigger forwards can expect less game time as coaches look for more players in the mould of Brandon Smith and Cameron McInnes to play in the middle.

The introduction of a handover instead of a scrum when the ball is kicked into touch or a player tackled over the sideline, and to replace a penalty for an incorrect play-the-ball, will also speed up the game and increase fatigue levels. "I guess it's tougher for us as players but if it speeds the game up and creates more flow in the game … the more the ball's in play the better the footy is to watch," Sydney Roosters second-rower Angus Crichton said on Monday.

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"I might have to work on a bit more fitness but I think in the long run it all comes out in the wash. If it's better for the viewer I'm all for it."

Canberra recruitment manager Peter Mulholland believes "mobility is going to need to be enhanced" but said it was too soon to determine what impact the rule changes would have on roster decisions.

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Crichton expects new rules to create a faster game
"I don’t think we will know for six months," he said. "Had this been the 1970s or the 1980s it would be different but we have been training full-time since 1995 or 1996.

"Players just adapt. Across the field players have become more uniform in size, you’ve now got 95kg hookers and 90kg halfbacks so we are going to have to wait and see what effect it has on your bigger forwards."

Wests Tigers trainer Ron Palmer believes the rule changes will encourage more ad-lib football and a "helter-skelter" style of play that will require greater fitness levels for players to transition between attack and defence. "I think you have just got to be up-tempo and ready to go at any moment," Palmer told SEN Radio. "We train these fellows really, really hard as it is and they have all got really tough off-seasons but I now think it needs to go to another level. "As a general overview we have got to be a lot fitter than we have ever been, particularly the bigger fellow around the middle."

St George Illawarra coach Anthony Griffin believes the advantage of a six-again call for offside could be offset by the loss of field position from a kick for touch if a penalty had been awarded. He said it would depend on how willing referees were to restart the tackle count for 10-metre infringements.
"If you get a six-again on your own 30-metre line you are still in your own half and you don’t get the chance to put a 30m or 40m kick down and set up a set on the opposition’s 30m line," Griffin said."I think it is a bit of win for both sides of the ball, you can be offside and not lose field position but you obviously lose the tackle count. If you need to be offside on tackle one or two maybe you are prepared to make eight tackles."Griffin doubted conceding a handover instead of a scrum would deter playmakers from kicking into touch late in matches to wind down the clock if their team was ahead.
"It probably suits the attacking team that is going into defence because they don’t have to defend a scrum," he said. "If you kick it into the corner and the opposition have got to play the ball 10 metres out from the sideline it is a bit of an advantage for you defensively." However, he expects more points to be scored from scrums if match officials enforce the new rule requiring players to stay bound until the referee calls "break".

A full penalty will be awarded for infringements, enabling teams to kick for goal, while they will also have the option of repacking the scrum and a second breach would result in a sin-binning."That is obviously borne out of teams deliberately giving away penalties in a scrum but you don’t want to be giving away two points or having a player in the bin so that will loosen up the defence around the scrum, particularly on your own line, which is a good thing," Griffin said. "They won’t have offside defence in front of them now."

New Brisbane coach Kevin Walters believes the rule changes will benefit his side next season as they try to climb the ladder after finishing last for the first time in 2020. "The more we can keep the ball in play that’s when the more skilful players come into their own," Walters told Sky Sports Radio."Guys like Anthony Milford can really show his class. The longer the games goes and the more the ball is in play, his skills really come to the fore. "We have got to work within the rules and use those rules, I believe, to the Broncos’ advantage. The type of people we have in the team at the moment certainly suit the rule changes and that style of football. "We have got some big robust middle men as well who can exploit flat and fast footy on the advantage line."

Former South Sydney GM of football Shane Richardson said the Rabbitohs were another team well positioned to take advantage of the rule changes after recruiting Queensland Origin forward Jai Arrow to join a mobile pack featuring the likes of Damien Cook, Cameron Murray and Jaydn Su’A. He also suggested teams were more likely to use two hookers in tandem as Melbourne’s Brandon Smith and St George Illawarra’s Cameron McInnes had proved effective in a different role, as did Harry Grant for Queensland in Origin III. "The big man’s game is diluted completely," he said. "Players like Damien Cook and Cameron Murray and Jai Arrow, they get at you with feet and because the ball is played so quickly you can’t come off the line and make a big tackle. "I think you are going to want guys who can play for longer periods. Brandon Smith played in the front row last year and Cameron McInnes played lock. If you’ve got another hooker in your club who is electrifying off the mark I can see them coming in to play that role."
 
The only change I like is the interchange of injured players for at least 2 mins.

I think there is a place for a settling kick into touch for a scrum/rest. Its not used that much anyway. Sad to see that go.

2 point field goal is just .....why?

I called for the 6 again rule over penalties a few years back in an NRL fan survey, but I suggested it be used slightly differently. There was too much of it and it was too subjective in 2020. I also cant stand the deliberate holding down on the zero and 1st tackles. That's a professional foul.

My suggestion was to have the tackle count restarted - basically not six again, just back to zero. If on the 3rd tackle you go back to zero, if on the 5th tackle you back to zero. I also think it should only be in the oppositions half. In your own half you still get a penalty to kick up field.

Abdo said he would be innovative when given the position. The games changing a bit too much imo.
 
Ask any coach if your on your own thirty ...does he want a 6 again or a penalty .....get a penalty and you could be 50-40 metres out with 6 more tackles .....maybe the answer is where you can take a penalty tap after taking the penalty kick for touch .....If you could take it in the middle 3rd on tackle 1 ...then it becomes far more advantageous and opens the game up that way .....
 
Captain's challenge has helped with the strip or knock on debate.

However, I still constantly see players walking off the mark or th attacker pushing the marker away. This needs to be thoroughly monitored. 4 or so years ago, they started penalising and now it's gone back to how it was before.

Everyone likes a fast game and I appreciate what they're trying to do here but it's becoming a bit too attack favoured. Also, need to think about how some of these rules will affect the game at grassroots level. This rule pretty much means that scrums will be almost null and void. If kids aren't packing into scrums now, we have no right to complain 5 years down the track when scrums get even worse.
 
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