Oliver Clark

[Russell]

Just to put into perspective - these are Clarke’s runnings meters for the games he has played this year...

40 meters
54 meters
65 meters
74 meters
68 meters

Just to put into perspective - these are Clarke’s runnings meters for the games he has played this year...

40 meters
54 meters
65 meters
74 meters
68 meters

He also only played 164 minutes. ie. he runs 1.81 metres per minute.

So if he played 80 minutes (i.e. a whole game) he would run 147 metres.

Not bad for a plodder, who is also a good defender.

 

[jadtiger]

I hate to be negative, but surely I’m not the only one who think he’s a complete plodder offers legit nothing in attack - half decent in defence but doesn’t make up for his poor attack whatsoever

Surely he has something on Madge, I can’t see how he manages to get selected let alone start every week....

I think it would be good if a lot of people on this Forum gave some of these young blokes a go.

Clark has played 14 games (5 this year for a total of 164 minutes, equivalent of 2 games) and he is only 23. Props in Rugba League do not mature until much later, he is learning his craft. They are also much further behind than the island boys. He has been rushed into the NRL because we are short.

The same as Hoffman the other night, people calling him a plodder and give him the flick after 80 minutes. That's ok, play him out of position, and have him play along his captain (which all should have been a good learning curve) should have,
instead he got hung out to dry and people are calling for him to be given the flick.

Some of these youngsters are only playing NRL because of our predicament, possibly playing 1 or 2 seasons too early, they are only helping out, but that is alright, crucify them anyway.

Some people are saying Madge is doing the right thing, build the team up from the bottom, buy really good young blokes etc. Neck minute, he's a plodder, why did we get him, slow as a wet week, get rid of him....blah, blah, blah.

Some of these young blokes may be the real deal, they may turn out to be duds, I don't know but we need to give them a go for God's sake.

If not go back to buying old blokes who are nearly cripples, that suck up the salary cap and sit out their early retirement in cc or in the injury room.

I could not agree more.Far to many supporters expect a rookie to be a sensation and willing to discard them if they are not.Perhaps it is a generation thing and i am an old bugger but like a good single malt or red wine a player needs to be allowed to develop and mature.

 

[teddy23]

Just to put into perspective - these are Clarke’s runnings meters for the games he has played this year...

40 meters
54 meters
65 meters
74 meters
68 meters

Just to put into perspective - these are Clarke’s runnings meters for the games he has played this year...

40 meters
54 meters
65 meters
74 meters
68 meters

He also only played 164 minutes. ie. he runs 1.81 metres per minute.

So if he played 80 minutes (i.e. a whole game) he would run 147 metres.

Not bad for a plodder, who is also a good defender.

Can’t really judge it off that though due to fitness levels and productivity probably not being the same if he plays 80 mins

And Clark has started a few games and usually plays like decent mins - but I’ve never once seen a run from him were he has bended the line or created any momentum with a quick play the ball etc

As I’ve said defensively he is good but attacking wise I think we can all agree he’s pretty useless - and we already have a few players that have that playing style

 

[teddy23]

I hate to be negative, but surely I’m not the only one who think he’s a complete plodder offers legit nothing in attack - half decent in defence but doesn’t make up for his poor attack whatsoever

Surely he has something on Madge, I can’t see how he manages to get selected let alone start every week....

I think it would be good if a lot of people on this Forum gave some of these young blokes a go.

Clark has played 14 games (5 this year for a total of 164 minutes, equivalent of 2 games) and he is only 23. Props in Rugba League do not mature until much later, he is learning his craft. They are also much further behind than the island boys. He has been rushed into the NRL because we are short.

The same as Hoffman the other night, people calling him a plodder and give him the flick after 80 minutes. That's ok, play him out of position, and have him play along his captain (which all should have been a good learning curve) should have,
instead he got hung out to dry and people are calling for him to be given the flick.

Some of these youngsters are only playing NRL because of our predicament, possibly playing 1 or 2 seasons too early, they are only helping out, but that is alright, crucify them anyway.

Some people are saying Madge is doing the right thing, build the team up from the bottom, buy really good young blokes etc. Neck minute, he's a plodder, why did we get him, slow as a wet week, get rid of him....blah, blah, blah.

Some of these young blokes may be the real deal, they may turn out to be duds, I don't know but we need to give them a go for God's sake.

If not go back to buying old blokes who are nearly cripples, that suck up the salary cap and sit out their early retirement in cc or in the injury room.

Also, Clark played multiple games last season and has had a full pre season off the back off that with Madge too and he’s 23 so it’s not like he’s a raw talent or player....

For Hoffman however, I agree with your points but I don’t think the same applies for Clark but that’s just my opinion

 

[JC99]

Fact is he doesn’t bend the line running and often gets put on his back. If he wants to make himself a long term nrl prop he needs to fix that.

Handy as a backup and only starting because of injuries, so keeping him for another year for cheap isn’t a bad option. Next year I doubt he gets a run even with a few injuries if we keep him, our other young props show more promise than him.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Just to put into perspective - these are Clarke’s runnings meters for the games he has played this year...

40 meters
54 meters
65 meters
74 meters
68 meters

Just to put into perspective - these are Clarke’s runnings meters for the games he has played this year...

40 meters
54 meters
65 meters
74 meters
68 meters

He also only played 164 minutes. ie. he runs 1.81 metres per minute.

So if he played 80 minutes (i.e. a whole game) he would run 147 metres.

Not bad for a plodder, who is also a good defender.

Can’t really judge it off that though due to fitness levels and productivity probably not being the same if he plays 80 mins

And Clark has started a few games and usually plays like decent mins - but I’ve never once seen a run from him were he has bended the line or created any momentum with a quick play the ball etc

As I’ve said defensively he is good but attacking wise I think we can all agree he’s pretty useless - and we already have a few players that have that playing style

I believe Maguire will improve his game. The fundamental skills he has are very good. To label him a plodder is erroneous. It's a team game and in a scrap, Clark, Twal and McIntyre are the players you want.

 

[Russell]

I hate to be negative, but surely I’m not the only one who think he’s a complete plodder offers legit nothing in attack - half decent in defence but doesn’t make up for his poor attack whatsoever

Surely he has something on Madge, I can’t see how he manages to get selected let alone start every week....

I think it would be good if a lot of people on this Forum gave some of these young blokes a go.

Clark has played 14 games (5 this year for a total of 164 minutes, equivalent of 2 games) and he is only 23. Props in Rugba League do not mature until much later, he is learning his craft. They are also much further behind than the island boys. He has been rushed into the NRL because we are short.

The same as Hoffman the other night, people calling him a plodder and give him the flick after 80 minutes. That's ok, play him out of position, and have him play along his captain (which all should have been a good learning curve) should have,
instead he got hung out to dry and people are calling for him to be given the flick.

Some of these youngsters are only playing NRL because of our predicament, possibly playing 1 or 2 seasons too early, they are only helping out, but that is alright, crucify them anyway.

Some people are saying Madge is doing the right thing, build the team up from the bottom, buy really good young blokes etc. Neck minute, he's a plodder, why did we get him, slow as a wet week, get rid of him....blah, blah, blah.

Some of these young blokes may be the real deal, they may turn out to be duds, I don't know but we need to give them a go for God's sake.

If not go back to buying old blokes who are nearly cripples, that suck up the salary cap and sit out their early retirement in cc or in the injury room.

Also, Clark played multiple games last season and has had a full pre season off the back off that with Madge too and he’s 23 so it’s not like he’s a raw talent or player....

For Hoffman however, I agree with your points but I don’t think the same applies for Clark but that’s just my opinion

You do realise he is 23, of course you do you mentioned it above.

14 games for a prop - at best 30 minutes per game.

You are a hard marker - I think you really need to give him a go. You don't become a Glen Lazarus overnight. Hesitate to use the term patience but that is what it takes. You obviously prefer to buy these old guys than develop young guys.

 

[earl]

On the money he would be on he is a very good backup.Compare him to Packer/McQueen as value for money and i know who i would rather have

If we have a problem it is that we are paying too much for guys who aren't match winners for us. We have a guy in Clarke who is doing a good job for us and not killing our salary cap and he cops it. It doesn't make any sense.

 

[JC99]

Personally don’t see Clark developing his game much more than he has already. He doesn’t have the speed to make an impact running the footy and you can’t teach speed.

Solid player but if we can sign another young fella with more potential you would do it any day of the week. He doesn’t deserve any flack though he’s doing his job.

 

[Russell]

Personally don’t see Clark developing his game much more than he has already. He doesn’t have the speed to make an impact running the footy and you can’t teach speed.

Solid player but if we can sign another young fella with more potential you would do it any day of the week. He doesn’t deserve any flack though he’s doing his job.

Personally don’t see Clark developing his game much more than he has already. He doesn’t have the speed to make an impact running the footy and you can’t teach speed.

Solid player but if we can sign another young fella with more potential you would do it any day of the week. He doesn’t deserve any flack though he’s doing his job.

He's doing his job but you are giving him flack anyway Josh.

 

[JC99]

Personally don’t see Clark developing his game much more than he has already. He doesn’t have the speed to make an impact running the footy and you can’t teach speed.

Solid player but if we can sign another young fella with more potential you would do it any day of the week. He doesn’t deserve any flack though he’s doing his job.

Personally don’t see Clark developing his game much more than he has already. He doesn’t have the speed to make an impact running the footy and you can’t teach speed.

Solid player but if we can sign another young fella with more potential you would do it any day of the week. He doesn’t deserve any flack though he’s doing his job.

He's doing his job but you are giving him flack anyway Josh.

Just because I said I don’t think he will develop much more doesn’t mean I’m giving him flack. He does a solid job out there particularly in defence but he has areas of his game he needs to work on.

 

[Russell]

Personally don’t see Clark developing his game much more than he has already. He doesn’t have the speed to make an impact running the footy and you can’t teach speed.

Solid player but if we can sign another young fella with more potential you would do it any day of the week. He doesn’t deserve any flack though he’s doing his job.

Personally don’t see Clark developing his game much more than he has already. He doesn’t have the speed to make an impact running the footy and you can’t teach speed.

Solid player but if we can sign another young fella with more potential you would do it any day of the week. He doesn’t deserve any flack though he’s doing his job.

He's doing his job but you are giving him flack anyway Josh.

Just because I said I don’t think he will develop much more doesn’t mean I’m giving him flack. He does a solid job out there particularly in defence but he has areas of his game he needs to work on.

Well I think a few of your comments are giving him flack...

E.g.

"Great defender but he couldn’t run over a toddler carrying the footy. Not the type of prop Madge likes wouldn’t be surprised to see the club let him go at years end."

"Making 2 extra metres per game a week. He might be at 100 metres a game in a few years."

Just my opinion though.

 

[teddy23]

Just to put into perspective - these are Clarke’s runnings meters for the games he has played this year...

40 meters
54 meters
65 meters
74 meters
68 meters

Just to put into perspective - these are Clarke’s runnings meters for the games he has played this year...

40 meters
54 meters
65 meters
74 meters
68 meters

He also only played 164 minutes. ie. he runs 1.81 metres per minute.

So if he played 80 minutes (i.e. a whole game) he would run 147 metres.

Not bad for a plodder, who is also a good defender.

Can’t really judge it off that though due to fitness levels and productivity probably not being the same if he plays 80 mins

And Clark has started a few games and usually plays like decent mins - but I’ve never once seen a run from him were he has bended the line or created any momentum with a quick play the ball etc

As I’ve said defensively he is good but attacking wise I think we can all agree he’s pretty useless - and we already have a few players that have that playing style

I believe Maguire will improve his game. The fundamental skills he has are very good. To label him a plodder is erroneous. It's a team game and in a scrap, Clark, Twal and McIntyre are the players you want.

I’d like nothing more than for him to improve, I think he’s a plodder bc with the ball in his hand he offers virtually nothing but a dead hit up - with Twal and McIntyre at least they can offer something attacking wise even Huth is starting to bend the line recently

We’ve got enough defensive workhorses in the team, I’d like to see us with a forward to replace Clark that can bend the line and create some go forward cause besides Alioia and Mikaele no one really offered that against Souths and we got dominated in the ruck

 

[teddy23]

I hate to be negative, but surely I’m not the only one who think he’s a complete plodder offers legit nothing in attack - half decent in defence but doesn’t make up for his poor attack whatsoever

Surely he has something on Madge, I can’t see how he manages to get selected let alone start every week....

I think it would be good if a lot of people on this Forum gave some of these young blokes a go.

Clark has played 14 games (5 this year for a total of 164 minutes, equivalent of 2 games) and he is only 23. Props in Rugba League do not mature until much later, he is learning his craft. They are also much further behind than the island boys. He has been rushed into the NRL because we are short.

The same as Hoffman the other night, people calling him a plodder and give him the flick after 80 minutes. That's ok, play him out of position, and have him play along his captain (which all should have been a good learning curve) should have,
instead he got hung out to dry and people are calling for him to be given the flick.

Some of these youngsters are only playing NRL because of our predicament, possibly playing 1 or 2 seasons too early, they are only helping out, but that is alright, crucify them anyway.

Some people are saying Madge is doing the right thing, build the team up from the bottom, buy really good young blokes etc. Neck minute, he's a plodder, why did we get him, slow as a wet week, get rid of him....blah, blah, blah.

Some of these young blokes may be the real deal, they may turn out to be duds, I don't know but we need to give them a go for God's sake.

If not go back to buying old blokes who are nearly cripples, that suck up the salary cap and sit out their early retirement in cc or in the injury room.

Also, Clark played multiple games last season and has had a full pre season off the back off that with Madge too and he’s 23 so it’s not like he’s a raw talent or player....

For Hoffman however, I agree with your points but I don’t think the same applies for Clark but that’s just my opinion

You do realise he is 23, of course you do you mentioned it above.

14 games for a prop - at best 30 minutes per game.

You are a hard marker - I think you really need to give him a go. You don't become a Glen Lazarus overnight. Hesitate to use the term patience but that is what it takes. You obviously prefer to buy these old guys than develop young guys.

How has developing young guys got us the last decade aye....

Never said anything about buying old players and not being patient due to me being very happy with our other young forwards besides Clark.... but once again it’s bc he offers nothing in attacking and also to play limited mins and still not have the ability to bend the line once or created momentum after getting big breaks while the opposition forwards are tired makes me question if he has it, why haven’t we given Seyfarth the same opportunity as Clark going by your methods as he didn’t play last year unlike Clarke and also Seyfarth is 21 - unfortunately he isn’t being picked cause he doesn’t offer much, the shame should go to Clark but no we start him instead

Just my opinion champ

 

[gato]

Personally don’t see Clark developing his game much more than he has already. He doesn’t have the speed to make an impact running the footy and you can’t teach speed.

Solid player but if we can sign another young fella with more potential you would do it any day of the week. He doesn’t deserve any flack though he’s doing his job.

Most props do get better as they mature he is still young and cheap. Hopefully his game will develop. It may sound stupid but I prefer him getting 30-40 mins gametime atm while he devlops a bit more. No one wants to see him become another Matt Groat who was forced to do too much too soon.

I don't think madge would be starting him if musgrove wasn't out injured though. Maybe starting with twal at prop and eisenhuth at lock with clark coming off the bench could work.

 

[JC99]

Personally don’t see Clark developing his game much more than he has already. He doesn’t have the speed to make an impact running the footy and you can’t teach speed.

Solid player but if we can sign another young fella with more potential you would do it any day of the week. He doesn’t deserve any flack though he’s doing his job.

Personally don’t see Clark developing his game much more than he has already. He doesn’t have the speed to make an impact running the footy and you can’t teach speed.

Solid player but if we can sign another young fella with more potential you would do it any day of the week. He doesn’t deserve any flack though he’s doing his job.

He's doing his job but you are giving him flack anyway Josh.

Just because I said I don’t think he will develop much more doesn’t mean I’m giving him flack. He does a solid job out there particularly in defence but he has areas of his game he needs to work on.

Well I think a few of your comments are giving him flack...

E.g.

"Great defender but he couldn’t run over a toddler carrying the footy. Not the type of prop Madge likes wouldn’t be surprised to see the club let him go at years end."

"Making 2 extra metres per game a week. He might be at 100 metres a game in a few years."

Just my opinion though.

It’s true though. I’ve been saying the whole time his running game isn’t good enough. I’m not gonna say he’s a bad player though he does his job

 

[Tiger5150]

There was one run on the weekend when he ran into a single defender and immediately slumped to the ground. Im not actually sure that it isnt intentional. Maybe trying to get quick PTB?

 

[balmain boy]

Clark is as good as he will ever be. And shouldn't be re-signed. You can find defensive props who cam make more than 5m a hit up out there. Kaide Ellis would be a better no 6 prop in our rotation.
Even at CC level Clark gets dominated in the tackle. If he can't standout at that level he isn't going to at NRL level.
Would also be interesting to see the average age of props around the league. The old adage is way past it's used by date now. Most props are practically done by age 30 now. Average age would likely be 25 and that's reflected in rep teams where most origin forwards under in the mid to late 20s. It's a young man's game now.

 

[tonza]

I hate to be negative, but surely I’m not the only one who think he’s a complete plodder offers legit nothing in attack - half decent in defence but doesn’t make up for his poor attack whatsoever

Surely he has something on Madge, I can’t see how he manages to get selected let alone start every week....

I think it would be good if a lot of people on this Forum gave some of these young blokes a go.

Clark has played 14 games (5 this year for a total of 164 minutes, equivalent of 2 games) and he is only 23. Props in Rugba League do not mature until much later, he is learning his craft. They are also much further behind than the island boys. He has been rushed into the NRL because we are short.

The same as Hoffman the other night, people calling him a plodder and give him the flick after 80 minutes. That's ok, play him out of position, and have him play along his captain (which all should have been a good learning curve) should have,
instead he got hung out to dry and people are calling for him to be given the flick.

Some of these youngsters are only playing NRL because of our predicament, possibly playing 1 or 2 seasons too early, they are only helping out, but that is alright, crucify them anyway.

Some people are saying Madge is doing the right thing, build the team up from the bottom, buy really good young blokes etc. Neck minute, he's a plodder, why did we get him, slow as a wet week, get rid of him....blah, blah, blah.

Some of these young blokes may be the real deal, they may turn out to be duds, I don't know but we need to give them a go for God's sake.

If not go back to buying old blokes who are nearly cripples, that suck up the salary cap and sit out their early retirement in cc or in the injury room.

Also, Clark played multiple games last season and has had a full pre season off the back off that with Madge too and he’s 23 so it’s not like he’s a raw talent or player....

For Hoffman however, I agree with your points but I don’t think the same applies for Clark but that’s just my opinion

You do realise he is 23, of course you do you mentioned it above.

14 games for a prop - at best 30 minutes per game.

You are a hard marker - I think you really need to give him a go. You don't become a Glen Lazarus overnight. Hesitate to use the term patience but that is what it takes. You obviously prefer to buy these old guys than develop young guys.

Few weeks back everybody was calling for Eisenhuths guts for garters. Look how everybodys attitude has now changed.
Clark is young and inexperienced and should also be given the chance to improve under Maguire coaching just like Eiso.

 

[happy_tiger]

I hate to be negative, but surely I’m not the only one who think he’s a complete plodder offers legit nothing in attack - half decent in defence but doesn’t make up for his poor attack whatsoever

Surely he has something on Madge, I can’t see how he manages to get selected let alone start every week....

I think it would be good if a lot of people on this Forum gave some of these young blokes a go.

Clark has played 14 games (5 this year for a total of 164 minutes, equivalent of 2 games) and he is only 23. Props in Rugba League do not mature until much later, he is learning his craft. They are also much further behind than the island boys. He has been rushed into the NRL because we are short.

The same as Hoffman the other night, people calling him a plodder and give him the flick after 80 minutes. That's ok, play him out of position, and have him play along his captain (which all should have been a good learning curve) should have,
instead he got hung out to dry and people are calling for him to be given the flick.

Some of these youngsters are only playing NRL because of our predicament, possibly playing 1 or 2 seasons too early, they are only helping out, but that is alright, crucify them anyway.

Some people are saying Madge is doing the right thing, build the team up from the bottom, buy really good young blokes etc. Neck minute, he's a plodder, why did we get him, slow as a wet week, get rid of him....blah, blah, blah.

Some of these young blokes may be the real deal, they may turn out to be duds, I don't know but we need to give them a go for God's sake.

If not go back to buying old blokes who are nearly cripples, that suck up the salary cap and sit out their early retirement in cc or in the injury room.

Also, Clark played multiple games last season and has had a full pre season off the back off that with Madge too and he’s 23 so it’s not like he’s a raw talent or player....

For Hoffman however, I agree with your points but I don’t think the same applies for Clark but that’s just my opinion

You do realise he is 23, of course you do you mentioned it above.

14 games for a prop - at best 30 minutes per game.

You are a hard marker - I think you really need to give him a go. You don't become a Glen Lazarus overnight. Hesitate to use the term patience but that is what it takes. You obviously prefer to buy these old guys than develop young guys.

Few weeks back everybody was calling for Eisenhuths guts for garters. Look how everybodys attitude has now changed.
Clark is young and inexperienced and should also be given the chance to improve under Maguire coaching just like Eiso.

Have...never...called......for...... Eiso's...guts

Wait til Twal's back ...the Dynamic Duo return