On Tim Sheens

[tiger4ever]

Please do I have to put up the stats of seasoned NRL coaches in the last 30 years to show what I mean??

Yes please do bug.And how many grand finals they have won.As you can see if sheens didnt coach nqld hes stats would have been much higher.

Lol probably not ink but we both do.Its cool we disagree once again….gee what a suprise 😱pen_mouth:

 

[Guest]

Keep it civil please guys and girls.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

lol no parra and roosters are now ….they wernt and just so you know sheens has never coached those 2 clubs.See you learn something every day

Yeah but Smith and Kearney have….coached train wrecks just like Sheens.
But Sheens can turn it around yet these two cant?
They would have dfferent results coaching us, than coaching their own teams, much like Sheens has with his past ''train wrecks''
Good to see youve finally come round and agreed with me, you just dont even know it. :laughing:
Im right, youre wrong...LOL

all this from another topic.Ink stick to the topic please your looking silly. :smiley:

what has smith done…how many gfinal victorys.....kearney well yes he can turn it around but will the club let him.First year running last....not a good start parra have gone backwards

Ink

not if you've heard Paul Osbourne interviewed. They've had a good yr and Kearney has done a great job as far as he's concerned. No surprize that Osbourne is an ex-Politician
to go from grand finalists to potential wooden spooners in the space of 2 yrs shows someone at that club is doing an awesome job

 

[tiger4ever]

Wasnt their recruitment atrocious.Not blaming kearney for that even though he would have had some input

 

[Florrie]

**3 semis apparences in 15 years = 33.3333%= Rubbish**

Since 05… 3 semis in 6 years = 50% head/tails call... even bet sounds good
Since 05... one grand final out of two semis = 50%... Brian smith would be more then happy to take 50% of his grand final apparences, sounds good..

in the last 2 seasons... made the semis twice in two years =100%

Conclusion.... Sheens is like wine just getting better with age. If it aint brocken dont fix it

15 years 3 semis equals 20%

Just curious but why is it 15 years? Sheens has been coaching since the mid eighties, hasn't he? That's 25 years, not 15\. :question:

Because if you counted the years he has coached Penriff and Canberra, he made the semis regularly and won three premierships, and that would be an objective look at his coaching record. Objectivity has no place here.

Aaah. Thanks for (all) the explanations.

 

[happy_tiger]

**3 semis apparences in 15 years = 33.3333%= Rubbish**

Since 05… 3 semis in 6 years = 50% head/tails call... even bet sounds good
Since 05... one grand final out of two semis = 50%... Brian smith would be more then happy to take 50% of his grand final apparences, sounds good..

in the last 2 seasons... made the semis twice in two years =100%

Conclusion.... Sheens is like wine just getting better with age. If it aint brocken dont fix it

15 years 3 semis equals 20%

Just curious but why is it 15 years? Sheens has been coaching since the mid eighties, hasn't he? That's 25 years, not 15\. :question:

Because if you counted the years he has coached Penriff and Canberra, he made the semis regularly and won three premierships, and that would be an objective look at his coaching record. Objectivity has no place here.

Yeah Totally agree CB Why let the real facts get in the way of something that won't support your misguided beliefs :laughing:

 

[happy_tiger]

He has the lowest winning ratio of any long term coach in the history of the game.

Bug Maybe thats why lots of coaches don't have long records Because most are garbage and couldn't win a chook raffle if they bought all the tickets let alone 50% of their games or an NRL premiership or 4 like Sheens

 

[Bismark]

How can a whole forum continually get trolled by this guy? Honestly, half of his argument even he knows don't make sense, and yet everyone bites!

I think Sheens still makes questionable decisions, but you have to look at it this way. 3 years in a row we have played average for the first 17 or 18 rounds, and then had a very hot form period in the 2 months heading into the finals. We lost the the team with probably the most momentum ever accumulated in the NRL in Parra in 2009 and had a number of injuries which halted our run.

Last year we came within a point of the Grand Final, and this year we have a huge chance of being in a top 4 with 3 other teams who have performed consistently all season. Sheens is coaching us to make these charges, and whilst it's a struggle to watch some of those games in the opening 18 rounds, it's paying off year after year at the moment.

 

[Chris]

I just want to remind people when he coached at the Cowboys he was forced to coach with his hands tied. The club was run by a basket case board which forced both Tim Sheens and CEO Rabieh Krayem and several others to resigned on the same day! He took over another basket case of a club, the Wests Tigers and was given freedom to do what he knows best. We all know what he's achieved here and how strong our club is now, on and off the field. He's not perfect and has made some questionable decisions that still have us scratching our heads today but I'm glad we've got him.

 

[Balmain_Bug]

The Fonz has certainly done some good things. His development of LUI is one that is a stand out.

But he has ruined seasons with his stubborness.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Yes please do bug.And how many grand finals they have won.As you can see if sheens didnt coach nqld hes stats would have been much higher.

Good point. Also, if he wasn't coach for the games he lost, his stats would be even higher.

 

[Goose]

Coaches with worse records than Sheens. 5 year minimum coaching

Elliot
Wayne Pearce
Andrew Farrar
Neil Henry
Ivan Cleary

there would be loads more as well. Clearly not the worse record of any coach in the last 30 years

 

[gold_on_black]

hmmm the current golden boot winner rates him as the only coach he would play for.
over the years he has developed the tigers into the strongest teams
he made a no name tigers team win a comp
and in the last few years whilst we have had a premiership squad we have made the finals
you dont get the australian gig with no skills

IMO the only other notable coaches are wayne bennett, craig bellamy, des hasler

all the rest are still proving themselves or are still proving that they just dont have it(brian smith)

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Coaches with worse records than Sheens. 5 year minimum coaching

Elliot
Wayne Pearce
Andrew Farrar
Neil Henry
Ivan Cleary

there would be loads more as well. Clearly not the worse record of any coach in the last 30 years

Cleary has made the finals almost every yr he's coached, including a pre-lim final
since the time Cleary started coaching, Sheens record isn't any better. If anything its worse

 

[gold_on_black]

The Fonz has certainly done some good things. His development of LUI is one that is a stand out.

But he has ruined seasons with his stubborness.

Unfortunately coaches are known for being stubborn and having huge egos in regards to their coaching

this is a major factor that makes a great coach but also has their downfalls - players respect coaches who have confidence in their ability and make tough calls

at the same time these coaches sometimes let their ego get in the way and when something doesnt work they persist as they believe they are right. although when things do work it really works.

in benny elias book he talks about warren ryan to this day still defending his decision to bring blocker and sirro off even though it lost balmain the GF

 

[Balmain_Bug]

How did it lose Balmain the Grand Final ? I thought Benny missing a field goal right in front lost Balmain that Grand Final.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Coaches with worse records than Sheens. 5 year minimum coaching

Elliot
Wayne Pearce
Andrew Farrar
Neil Henry
Ivan Cleary

there would be loads more as well. Clearly not the worse record of any coach in the last 30 years

Cleary has made the finals almost every yr he's coached, including a pre-lim final
since the time Cleary started coaching, Sheens record isn't any better. If anything its worse

Cleary only has a 50% win record out of 148 games…

 

[Goose]

I was going purely on win/loss ratio and went for coaches with reasonable reputations as coaches and compared to Tim

I blame Warren Ryan as well for the loss, taking off 2 of the best forwards in the world to put on defensive specialists Pobji and Hardwick was an example of warren ryan having to pull a coaching master stroke, too clever for his own good.

Billy penalising Bruce McGuire for using an offside canberra player as a Shepard didn't help either

A devastating afternoon.

 

[Snowy]

How did it lose Balmain the Grand Final ? I thought Benny missing a field goal right in front lost Balmain that Grand Final.

Are you serious Bug? Benny played in the side and the side lost. How could you blame poor old Benny, many things happened in that game that contributed to the loss.
Maybe Sheens from the side line put Benny off his shot at goal? Just a thought lol!

 

[Tigermac]

How did it lose Balmain the Grand Final ? I thought Benny missing a field goal right in front lost Balmain that Grand Final.

or Junior Pearce dropping the ball with 3 unmarked men outside him :frowning: :frowning: :frowning: