One ref

[gallagher]

STICKY SLAMS COACHES WITH ‘TOO MUCH SELF-INTEREST’

Raiders coach Ricky Stuart supports the NRL’s controversial one referee and six-again rule changes while slamming selfish coaches with “too much self-interest in the game.”

The Sydney Morning Herald reports Stuart is sticking by ARLC chair Peter V’landys despite the backlash he is receiving from players, coaches, media personalities and fans for rubber stamping the changes.

“I’ll support what Peter and the commission are trying to achieve, because I don’t like the way our game is heading,” Stuart told the Herald.

Stuart believes change is good for the game and is “sick of coaches getting what they want.”

“Personally it goes against what I think rugby league should be about,” he said.

“The game is heading down the path of becoming too defence-orientated and boring.

“We are at a very critical point at this moment, and we need to make the game more entertaining, and future-proof it for our next generation.

“I’m sick of coaches getting what they want. Because coaches will never have the good of the game as their first priority.

“There is way too much self-interest in this game. What’s good for one club might not be good for the game.”

Reverting to one referee is a cost-cutting measure while the six again rule for ruck infringements is aimed at eliminating the wrestle in the game, which Stuart sees as a “good thing.”

“As a coach in today’s game, you have to spend a large amount of your week in preparation working on wrestling,” he said.

“If you don’t, you are only disadvantaging your team and your supporters in not doing everything you can to win. It has become a necessary evil.

“Making the changes is a good thing for all the kids out there buying headgears because of Kalyn Ponga.

“You look at all the great games and wonderful teams over the years, we all get excited about the flair and the attacking ability. We cannot say this about the recent era.

“At least Peter and the commission have had the courage to make decisions for the good of the game and have a crack at this.”

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/live-ricky-slams-coaches-with-too-much-selfinterest-as-cartwright-is-overjoyed-to-receive-exemption/news-story/f5a612fbdefec31bbc135a29f6e72639

 

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In regards to your last question asking whether the ruck speed has improved with two refs - compared the grand final from last year to the international games from last year, the play the ball speed is about a second half and a half slower with one ref compared to having two. Definitely more wrestle with the one ref

How many games are you measuring this by, and you measured this yourself? Not criticising, just curious the data.

NRL.com has play the ball stats on their website. Just about every international game is at slower than the NRL games. Here’s Roosters vs storm, two of the best wrestlers in the comp last year 

In comparison, this is Tonga vs Great Britain from last year 

Obviously it differs in every match but it’s always slower with the one ref system

I think this argument becomes irrelevant when you add the 6 again instead of penalty. The 2012 all stars game is the only match to have trialled 6 again. It was super fast.

I’m not sure it does. Giving away 6 again won’t deter teams from wrestling. If a penalty with a kick for touch doesn’t why would just 6 again

When you factor in the "breather" rest period that the defence no longer gets with the touch finder and time to set, it balances things up. We all know that it doesn't have the same effect when on your own line, but that is where use of the sin bin should sort things out.

Sometimes the attacking team wants a breather and a quick chat as well though, especially if you’ve just been battered 5 tackles in a row inside your own 10. I dare say most teams would prefer to have a kick for touch if the infringement is inside their own half too, then you can get in a try scoring position instead of continuing to work from your own end

This is not about giving the team what they want, it is about speeding the game up and preventing a team deliberately giving away penalties to reset their defensive line.

So we should give attacking teams less for a penalty than we used to just to slightly speed the game up? That makes no sense to me. It just helps the defensive team in most scenarios. The only one it doesn’t is when you’re defending your own line and giving away penalties to reset - but even then some teams want to take the two points.

Yes we should, the idea is to reduce the deliberate penalties that teams like the Roosters are experts at. It is also to improve the flow of the game, stopping and starting for penalties disrupts the flow of the game, will this work, I don't know but at least we are trying something to improve the ruck.

It will definitely speed the game up having less penalties but will also slow the game down having more wrestle... so it’ll probably even out to be honest ?

Funnily enough the worse wrestling has ever been in our sport has been when we had 2 refs, before the 2 ref system the wrestle wasn't anywhere near as bad as it is now.

Because the game changed and wrestling coaches got brought in. Don’t fool yourself there was definitely wrestling before the two ref system but over the years teams get better and better at it. Every team tries their best to exploit rules and this new one ref system will be no different. I’ll be interested to see how Melbourne take advantage of it, they’re the masters of bending the rules the bastards

They only bend the rules and get away with it because the ref allows them to. If the ref grows a pair and puts the Storm in their place from the start of every match that will be problem solved.
First time in a game Cammy fronts up to the ref trying to manipulate him the ref should say "shut your mouth, I'm in charge out here today, not you". The look on the gimp's face would be priceless for starters. And the ref has stamped his authority and officiates the Storm like every other team, not let them get away with what they have these past few years.
Get back control.

 

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STICKY SLAMS COACHES WITH ‘TOO MUCH SELF-INTEREST’

Raiders coach Ricky Stuart supports the NRL’s controversial one referee and six-again rule changes while slamming selfish coaches with “too much self-interest in the game.”

The Sydney Morning Herald reports Stuart is sticking by ARLC chair Peter V’landys despite the backlash he is receiving from players, coaches, media personalities and fans for rubber stamping the changes.

“I’ll support what Peter and the commission are trying to achieve, because I don’t like the way our game is heading,” Stuart told the Herald.

Stuart believes change is good for the game and is “sick of coaches getting what they want.”

“Personally it goes against what I think rugby league should be about,” he said.

“The game is heading down the path of becoming too defence-orientated and boring.

“We are at a very critical point at this moment, and we need to make the game more entertaining, and future-proof it for our next generation.

“I’m sick of coaches getting what they want. Because coaches will never have the good of the game as their first priority.

“There is way too much self-interest in this game. What’s good for one club might not be good for the game.”

Reverting to one referee is a cost-cutting measure while the six again rule for ruck infringements is aimed at eliminating the wrestle in the game, which Stuart sees as a “good thing.”

“As a coach in today’s game, you have to spend a large amount of your week in preparation working on wrestling,” he said.

“If you don’t, you are only disadvantaging your team and your supporters in not doing everything you can to win. It has become a necessary evil.

“Making the changes is a good thing for all the kids out there buying headgears because of Kalyn Ponga.

“You look at all the great games and wonderful teams over the years, we all get excited about the flair and the attacking ability. We cannot say this about the recent era.

“At least Peter and the commission have had the courage to make decisions for the good of the game and have a crack at this.”

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/live-ricky-slams-coaches-with-too-much-selfinterest-as-cartwright-is-overjoyed-to-receive-exemption/news-story/f5a612fbdefec31bbc135a29f6e72639

Good on Ricky for going against the grain.
Nice subtle dig at Trent Robinson too😂
And the Roosters.
Good to see. Coaches should shut up and coach, not be in the media every single day whinging about this or that, commenting on every single issue in the game. Sick of seeing Robinson's munted melon on every footy show.

 

[mike]

In regards to your last question asking whether the ruck speed has improved with two refs - compared the grand final from last year to the international games from last year, the play the ball speed is about a second half and a half slower with one ref compared to having two. Definitely more wrestle with the one ref

How many games are you measuring this by, and you measured this yourself? Not criticising, just curious the data.

NRL.com has play the ball stats on their website. Just about every international game is at slower than the NRL games. Here’s Roosters vs storm, two of the best wrestlers in the comp last year 

In comparison, this is Tonga vs Great Britain from last year 

Obviously it differs in every match but it’s always slower with the one ref system

I think this argument becomes irrelevant when you add the 6 again instead of penalty. The 2012 all stars game is the only match to have trialled 6 again. It was super fast.

I’m not sure it does. Giving away 6 again won’t deter teams from wrestling. If a penalty with a kick for touch doesn’t why would just 6 again

When you factor in the "breather" rest period that the defence no longer gets with the touch finder and time to set, it balances things up. We all know that it doesn't have the same effect when on your own line, but that is where use of the sin bin should sort things out.

Sometimes the attacking team wants a breather and a quick chat as well though, especially if you’ve just been battered 5 tackles in a row inside your own 10. I dare say most teams would prefer to have a kick for touch if the infringement is inside their own half too, then you can get in a try scoring position instead of continuing to work from your own end

This is not about giving the team what they want, it is about speeding the game up and preventing a team deliberately giving away penalties to reset their defensive line.

So we should give attacking teams less for a penalty than we used to just to slightly speed the game up? That makes no sense to me. It just helps the defensive team in most scenarios. The only one it doesn’t is when you’re defending your own line and giving away penalties to reset - but even then some teams want to take the two points.

Yes we should, the idea is to reduce the deliberate penalties that teams like the Roosters are experts at. It is also to improve the flow of the game, stopping and starting for penalties disrupts the flow of the game, will this work, I don't know but at least we are trying something to improve the ruck.

It will definitely speed the game up having less penalties but will also slow the game down having more wrestle... so it’ll probably even out to be honest ?

Funnily enough the worse wrestling has ever been in our sport has been when we had 2 refs, before the 2 ref system the wrestle wasn't anywhere near as bad as it is now.

Because the game changed and wrestling coaches got brought in. Don’t fool yourself there was definitely wrestling before the two ref system but over the years teams get better and better at it. Every team tries their best to exploit rules and this new one ref system will be no different. I’ll be interested to see how Melbourne take advantage of it, they’re the masters of bending the rules the bastards

They only bend the rules and get away with it because the ref allows them to. If the ref grows a pair and puts the Storm in their place from the start of every match that will be problem solved.
First time in a game Cammy fronts up to the ref trying to manipulate him the ref should say "shut your mouth, I'm in charge out here today, not you". The look on the gimp's face would be priceless for starters. And the ref has stamped his authority and officiates the Storm like every other team, not let them get away with what they have these past few years.
Get back control.

That’s basically what Tim Mander did to JT in the 2005 Grand Final. It’s priceless listening to Mander giving it to Thurston.

 

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A boffin has crunched the numbers at nrl .com and says that ball in play will increase by 2 minutes per game or 22 seconds per non penalty

Sooo..5.1 penalties for ruck infringements per game x 22 seconds = 2 mins more game time x 8 games per week x 18 weeks =17 280 seconds more footy or 288 more minutes of the ball in play for the remainder of the 2020 season...

yessssssssssssss...

https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/05/14/six-again-rule-to-increase-ball-in-play-by-two-minutes-per-game/

So will we be defending for an extra 2 minutes or attacking for an extra 2 minutes

Not necessarily. There's a million variables.

 

[Harvey]

I hope they publish stats on some of these decisions. I see it as another one of those calls that will now be policed at the referees discretion with a number of options.

It will likely end in tears, with the usual suspects getting the rub of the green.

 

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In regards to your last question asking whether the ruck speed has improved with two refs - compared the grand final from last year to the international games from last year, the play the ball speed is about a second half and a half slower with one ref compared to having two. Definitely more wrestle with the one ref

How many games are you measuring this by, and you measured this yourself? Not criticising, just curious the data.

NRL.com has play the ball stats on their website. Just about every international game is at slower than the NRL games. Here’s Roosters vs storm, two of the best wrestlers in the comp last year 

In comparison, this is Tonga vs Great Britain from last year 

Obviously it differs in every match but it’s always slower with the one ref system

I think this argument becomes irrelevant when you add the 6 again instead of penalty. The 2012 all stars game is the only match to have trialled 6 again. It was super fast.

I’m not sure it does. Giving away 6 again won’t deter teams from wrestling. If a penalty with a kick for touch doesn’t why would just 6 again

When you factor in the "breather" rest period that the defence no longer gets with the touch finder and time to set, it balances things up. We all know that it doesn't have the same effect when on your own line, but that is where use of the sin bin should sort things out.

Sometimes the attacking team wants a breather and a quick chat as well though, especially if you’ve just been battered 5 tackles in a row inside your own 10. I dare say most teams would prefer to have a kick for touch if the infringement is inside their own half too, then you can get in a try scoring position instead of continuing to work from your own end

This is not about giving the team what they want, it is about speeding the game up and preventing a team deliberately giving away penalties to reset their defensive line.

So we should give attacking teams less for a penalty than we used to just to slightly speed the game up? That makes no sense to me. It just helps the defensive team in most scenarios. The only one it doesn’t is when you’re defending your own line and giving away penalties to reset - but even then some teams want to take the two points.

Yes we should, the idea is to reduce the deliberate penalties that teams like the Roosters are experts at. It is also to improve the flow of the game, stopping and starting for penalties disrupts the flow of the game, will this work, I don't know but at least we are trying something to improve the ruck.

It will definitely speed the game up having less penalties but will also slow the game down having more wrestle... so it’ll probably even out to be honest ?

Funnily enough the worse wrestling has ever been in our sport has been when we had 2 refs, before the 2 ref system the wrestle wasn't anywhere near as bad as it is now.

Because the game changed and wrestling coaches got brought in. Don’t fool yourself there was definitely wrestling before the two ref system but over the years teams get better and better at it. Every team tries their best to exploit rules and this new one ref system will be no different. I’ll be interested to see how Melbourne take advantage of it, they’re the masters of bending the rules the bastards

They only bend the rules and get away with it because the ref allows them to. If the ref grows a pair and puts the Storm in their place from the start of every match that will be problem solved.
First time in a game Cammy fronts up to the ref trying to manipulate him the ref should say "shut your mouth, I'm in charge out here today, not you". The look on the gimp's face would be priceless for starters. And the ref has stamped his authority and officiates the Storm like every other team, not let them get away with what they have these past few years.
Get back control.

That’s basically what Tim Mander did to JT in the 2005 Grand Final. It’s priceless listening Mander giving it to Thurston.

Yes mate, absolutely. He schooled him like a headmaster?.
He called him over after a try had been scored from memory and said "I'm not going to cop you giving it to the touchies and complaining about every decision....keep going and you'll be sitting on the sidelines" or something similar. Thurston was gobsmacked and humiliated, it worked very well. That is the sort of authority that needs to be shown out there.
Good pick up Mike?

 

[Geo]

Lets face it Ref's have always sucked...

It's a shame that the focus gets taken away from the footy..but as Aaron always says..it is what it is..

 

[happy_tiger]

A boffin has crunched the numbers at nrl .com and says that ball in play will increase by 2 minutes per game or 22 seconds per non penalty

Sooo..5.1 penalties for ruck infringements per game x 22 seconds = 2 mins more game time x 8 games per week x 18 weeks =17 280 seconds more footy or 288 more minutes of the ball in play for the remainder of the 2020 season...

yessssssssssssss...

https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/05/14/six-again-rule-to-increase-ball-in-play-by-two-minutes-per-game/

So will we be defending for an extra 2 minutes or attacking for an extra 2 minutes

Not necessarily. There's a million variables.

Just hoping those extra 2 minutes aren't spent standing in our in goal looking for inspiration

 

[Fade.To.Black]

A boffin has crunched the numbers at nrl .com and says that ball in play will increase by 2 minutes per game or 22 seconds per non penalty

Sooo..5.1 penalties for ruck infringements per game x 22 seconds = 2 mins more game time x 8 games per week x 18 weeks =17 280 seconds more footy or 288 more minutes of the ball in play for the remainder of the 2020 season...

yessssssssssssss...

https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/05/14/six-again-rule-to-increase-ball-in-play-by-two-minutes-per-game/

So will we be defending for an extra 2 minutes or attacking for an extra 2 minutes

Not necessarily. There's a million variables.

Just hoping those extra 2 minutes are spent standing in our in goal looking for inspiration

Are? Or aren't??

 

[JC99]

In regards to your last question asking whether the ruck speed has improved with two refs - compared the grand final from last year to the international games from last year, the play the ball speed is about a second half and a half slower with one ref compared to having two. Definitely more wrestle with the one ref

How many games are you measuring this by, and you measured this yourself? Not criticising, just curious the data.

NRL.com has play the ball stats on their website. Just about every international game is at slower than the NRL games. Here’s Roosters vs storm, two of the best wrestlers in the comp last year 

In comparison, this is Tonga vs Great Britain from last year 

Obviously it differs in every match but it’s always slower with the one ref system

I think this argument becomes irrelevant when you add the 6 again instead of penalty. The 2012 all stars game is the only match to have trialled 6 again. It was super fast.

I’m not sure it does. Giving away 6 again won’t deter teams from wrestling. If a penalty with a kick for touch doesn’t why would just 6 again

When you factor in the "breather" rest period that the defence no longer gets with the touch finder and time to set, it balances things up. We all know that it doesn't have the same effect when on your own line, but that is where use of the sin bin should sort things out.

Sometimes the attacking team wants a breather and a quick chat as well though, especially if you’ve just been battered 5 tackles in a row inside your own 10. I dare say most teams would prefer to have a kick for touch if the infringement is inside their own half too, then you can get in a try scoring position instead of continuing to work from your own end

This is not about giving the team what they want, it is about speeding the game up and preventing a team deliberately giving away penalties to reset their defensive line.

So we should give attacking teams less for a penalty than we used to just to slightly speed the game up? That makes no sense to me. It just helps the defensive team in most scenarios. The only one it doesn’t is when you’re defending your own line and giving away penalties to reset - but even then some teams want to take the two points.

Yes we should, the idea is to reduce the deliberate penalties that teams like the Roosters are experts at. It is also to improve the flow of the game, stopping and starting for penalties disrupts the flow of the game, will this work, I don't know but at least we are trying something to improve the ruck.

It will definitely speed the game up having less penalties but will also slow the game down having more wrestle... so it’ll probably even out to be honest ?

Funnily enough the worse wrestling has ever been in our sport has been when we had 2 refs, before the 2 ref system the wrestle wasn't anywhere near as bad as it is now.

Because the game changed and wrestling coaches got brought in. Don’t fool yourself there was definitely wrestling before the two ref system but over the years teams get better and better at it. Every team tries their best to exploit rules and this new one ref system will be no different. I’ll be interested to see how Melbourne take advantage of it, they’re the masters of bending the rules the bastards

They only bend the rules and get away with it because the ref allows them to. If the ref grows a pair and puts the Storm in their place from the start of every match that will be problem solved.
First time in a game Cammy fronts up to the ref trying to manipulate him the ref should say "shut your mouth, I'm in charge out here today, not you". The look on the gimp's face would be priceless for starters. And the ref has stamped his authority and officiates the Storm like every other team, not let them get away with what they have these past few years.
Get back control.

They’ll bend the rules no matter what. Bellamy has a talent in finding the ways to exploit rules without actually breaking them. They’ll be the team to watch if we want ideas on how to benefit from the new system.

 

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In regards to your last question asking whether the ruck speed has improved with two refs - compared the grand final from last year to the international games from last year, the play the ball speed is about a second half and a half slower with one ref compared to having two. Definitely more wrestle with the one ref

How many games are you measuring this by, and you measured this yourself? Not criticising, just curious the data.

NRL.com has play the ball stats on their website. Just about every international game is at slower than the NRL games. Here’s Roosters vs storm, two of the best wrestlers in the comp last year 

In comparison, this is Tonga vs Great Britain from last year 

Obviously it differs in every match but it’s always slower with the one ref system

I think this argument becomes irrelevant when you add the 6 again instead of penalty. The 2012 all stars game is the only match to have trialled 6 again. It was super fast.

I’m not sure it does. Giving away 6 again won’t deter teams from wrestling. If a penalty with a kick for touch doesn’t why would just 6 again

When you factor in the "breather" rest period that the defence no longer gets with the touch finder and time to set, it balances things up. We all know that it doesn't have the same effect when on your own line, but that is where use of the sin bin should sort things out.

Sometimes the attacking team wants a breather and a quick chat as well though, especially if you’ve just been battered 5 tackles in a row inside your own 10. I dare say most teams would prefer to have a kick for touch if the infringement is inside their own half too, then you can get in a try scoring position instead of continuing to work from your own end

This is not about giving the team what they want, it is about speeding the game up and preventing a team deliberately giving away penalties to reset their defensive line.

So we should give attacking teams less for a penalty than we used to just to slightly speed the game up? That makes no sense to me. It just helps the defensive team in most scenarios. The only one it doesn’t is when you’re defending your own line and giving away penalties to reset - but even then some teams want to take the two points.

Yes we should, the idea is to reduce the deliberate penalties that teams like the Roosters are experts at. It is also to improve the flow of the game, stopping and starting for penalties disrupts the flow of the game, will this work, I don't know but at least we are trying something to improve the ruck.

It will definitely speed the game up having less penalties but will also slow the game down having more wrestle... so it’ll probably even out to be honest ?

Funnily enough the worse wrestling has ever been in our sport has been when we had 2 refs, before the 2 ref system the wrestle wasn't anywhere near as bad as it is now.

Because the game changed and wrestling coaches got brought in. Don’t fool yourself there was definitely wrestling before the two ref system but over the years teams get better and better at it. Every team tries their best to exploit rules and this new one ref system will be no different. I’ll be interested to see how Melbourne take advantage of it, they’re the masters of bending the rules the bastards

They only bend the rules and get away with it because the ref allows them to. If the ref grows a pair and puts the Storm in their place from the start of every match that will be problem solved.
First time in a game Cammy fronts up to the ref trying to manipulate him the ref should say "shut your mouth, I'm in charge out here today, not you". The look on the gimp's face would be priceless for starters. And the ref has stamped his authority and officiates the Storm like every other team, not let them get away with what they have these past few years.
Get back control.

They’ll bend the rules no matter what. Bellamy has a talent in finding the ways to exploit rules without actually breaking them. They’ll be the team to watch if we want ideas on how to benefit from the new system.

Bending the rules pretty much is breaking them.
For example, Smith fires more forward passes out of dummy-half than anyone in the comp, yet he never gets pulled up for them. Some teams break the rules and get pinged, other teams get 'the rub of the green', aka bias.
If everybody gets policed in identical fashion, we would see some very different outcomes to matches.

 

[JD Tiger]

In regards to your last question asking whether the ruck speed has improved with two refs - compared the grand final from last year to the international games from last year, the play the ball speed is about a second half and a half slower with one ref compared to having two. Definitely more wrestle with the one ref

How many games are you measuring this by, and you measured this yourself? Not criticising, just curious the data.

NRL.com has play the ball stats on their website. Just about every international game is at slower than the NRL games. Here’s Roosters vs storm, two of the best wrestlers in the comp last year 

In comparison, this is Tonga vs Great Britain from last year 

Obviously it differs in every match but it’s always slower with the one ref system

I think this argument becomes irrelevant when you add the 6 again instead of penalty. The 2012 all stars game is the only match to have trialled 6 again. It was super fast.

I’m not sure it does. Giving away 6 again won’t deter teams from wrestling. If a penalty with a kick for touch doesn’t why would just 6 again

When you factor in the "breather" rest period that the defence no longer gets with the touch finder and time to set, it balances things up. We all know that it doesn't have the same effect when on your own line, but that is where use of the sin bin should sort things out.

Sometimes the attacking team wants a breather and a quick chat as well though, especially if you’ve just been battered 5 tackles in a row inside your own 10. I dare say most teams would prefer to have a kick for touch if the infringement is inside their own half too, then you can get in a try scoring position instead of continuing to work from your own end

This is not about giving the team what they want, it is about speeding the game up and preventing a team deliberately giving away penalties to reset their defensive line.

So we should give attacking teams less for a penalty than we used to just to slightly speed the game up? That makes no sense to me. It just helps the defensive team in most scenarios. The only one it doesn’t is when you’re defending your own line and giving away penalties to reset - but even then some teams want to take the two points.

Yes we should, the idea is to reduce the deliberate penalties that teams like the Roosters are experts at. It is also to improve the flow of the game, stopping and starting for penalties disrupts the flow of the game, will this work, I don't know but at least we are trying something to improve the ruck.

It will definitely speed the game up having less penalties but will also slow the game down having more wrestle... so it’ll probably even out to be honest ?

Funnily enough the worse wrestling has ever been in our sport has been when we had 2 refs, before the 2 ref system the wrestle wasn't anywhere near as bad as it is now.

Because the game changed and wrestling coaches got brought in. Don’t fool yourself there was definitely wrestling before the two ref system but over the years teams get better and better at it. Every team tries their best to exploit rules and this new one ref system will be no different. I’ll be interested to see how Melbourne take advantage of it, they’re the masters of bending the rules the bastards

They only bend the rules and get away with it because the ref allows them to. If the ref grows a pair and puts the Storm in their place from the start of every match that will be problem solved.
First time in a game Cammy fronts up to the ref trying to manipulate him the ref should say "shut your mouth, I'm in charge out here today, not you". The look on the gimp's face would be priceless for starters. And the ref has stamped his authority and officiates the Storm like every other team, not let them get away with what they have these past few years.
Get back control.

They’ll bend the rules no matter what. Bellamy has a talent in finding the ways to exploit rules without actually breaking them. They’ll be the team to watch if we want ideas on how to benefit from the new system.

Bending the rules pretty much is breaking them.
For example, Smith fires more forward passes out of dummy-half than anyone in the comp, yet he never gets pulled up for them. Some teams break the rules and get pinged, other teams get 'the rub of the green', aka bias.
If everybody gets policed in identical fashion, we would see some very different outcomes to matches.

And with one ref trying to watch the ruck, and the touchies now trying to watch onside, who will be watching for forward passes? Bet you Smith has thought about that already.

 

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In regards to your last question asking whether the ruck speed has improved with two refs - compared the grand final from last year to the international games from last year, the play the ball speed is about a second half and a half slower with one ref compared to having two. Definitely more wrestle with the one ref

How many games are you measuring this by, and you measured this yourself? Not criticising, just curious the data.

NRL.com has play the ball stats on their website. Just about every international game is at slower than the NRL games. Here’s Roosters vs storm, two of the best wrestlers in the comp last year 

In comparison, this is Tonga vs Great Britain from last year 

Obviously it differs in every match but it’s always slower with the one ref system

I think this argument becomes irrelevant when you add the 6 again instead of penalty. The 2012 all stars game is the only match to have trialled 6 again. It was super fast.

I’m not sure it does. Giving away 6 again won’t deter teams from wrestling. If a penalty with a kick for touch doesn’t why would just 6 again

When you factor in the "breather" rest period that the defence no longer gets with the touch finder and time to set, it balances things up. We all know that it doesn't have the same effect when on your own line, but that is where use of the sin bin should sort things out.

Sometimes the attacking team wants a breather and a quick chat as well though, especially if you’ve just been battered 5 tackles in a row inside your own 10. I dare say most teams would prefer to have a kick for touch if the infringement is inside their own half too, then you can get in a try scoring position instead of continuing to work from your own end

This is not about giving the team what they want, it is about speeding the game up and preventing a team deliberately giving away penalties to reset their defensive line.

So we should give attacking teams less for a penalty than we used to just to slightly speed the game up? That makes no sense to me. It just helps the defensive team in most scenarios. The only one it doesn’t is when you’re defending your own line and giving away penalties to reset - but even then some teams want to take the two points.

Yes we should, the idea is to reduce the deliberate penalties that teams like the Roosters are experts at. It is also to improve the flow of the game, stopping and starting for penalties disrupts the flow of the game, will this work, I don't know but at least we are trying something to improve the ruck.

It will definitely speed the game up having less penalties but will also slow the game down having more wrestle... so it’ll probably even out to be honest ?

Funnily enough the worse wrestling has ever been in our sport has been when we had 2 refs, before the 2 ref system the wrestle wasn't anywhere near as bad as it is now.

Because the game changed and wrestling coaches got brought in. Don’t fool yourself there was definitely wrestling before the two ref system but over the years teams get better and better at it. Every team tries their best to exploit rules and this new one ref system will be no different. I’ll be interested to see how Melbourne take advantage of it, they’re the masters of bending the rules the bastards

They only bend the rules and get away with it because the ref allows them to. If the ref grows a pair and puts the Storm in their place from the start of every match that will be problem solved.
First time in a game Cammy fronts up to the ref trying to manipulate him the ref should say "shut your mouth, I'm in charge out here today, not you". The look on the gimp's face would be priceless for starters. And the ref has stamped his authority and officiates the Storm like every other team, not let them get away with what they have these past few years.
Get back control.

They’ll bend the rules no matter what. Bellamy has a talent in finding the ways to exploit rules without actually breaking them. They’ll be the team to watch if we want ideas on how to benefit from the new system.

Bending the rules pretty much is breaking them.
For example, Smith fires more forward passes out of dummy-half than anyone in the comp, yet he never gets pulled up for them. Some teams break the rules and get pinged, other teams get 'the rub of the green', aka bias.
If everybody gets policed in identical fashion, we would see some very different outcomes to matches.

And with one ref trying to watch the ruck, and the touchies now trying to watch onside, who will be watching for forward passes? Bet you Smith has thought about that already.

Well the ball is being passed 1 foot away from where the ruck is. Surely the ref can move his eyes that much?

 

[JD Tiger]

In regards to your last question asking whether the ruck speed has improved with two refs - compared the grand final from last year to the international games from last year, the play the ball speed is about a second half and a half slower with one ref compared to having two. Definitely more wrestle with the one ref

How many games are you measuring this by, and you measured this yourself? Not criticising, just curious the data.

NRL.com has play the ball stats on their website. Just about every international game is at slower than the NRL games. Here’s Roosters vs storm, two of the best wrestlers in the comp last year 

In comparison, this is Tonga vs Great Britain from last year 

Obviously it differs in every match but it’s always slower with the one ref system

I think this argument becomes irrelevant when you add the 6 again instead of penalty. The 2012 all stars game is the only match to have trialled 6 again. It was super fast.

I’m not sure it does. Giving away 6 again won’t deter teams from wrestling. If a penalty with a kick for touch doesn’t why would just 6 again

When you factor in the "breather" rest period that the defence no longer gets with the touch finder and time to set, it balances things up. We all know that it doesn't have the same effect when on your own line, but that is where use of the sin bin should sort things out.

Sometimes the attacking team wants a breather and a quick chat as well though, especially if you’ve just been battered 5 tackles in a row inside your own 10. I dare say most teams would prefer to have a kick for touch if the infringement is inside their own half too, then you can get in a try scoring position instead of continuing to work from your own end

This is not about giving the team what they want, it is about speeding the game up and preventing a team deliberately giving away penalties to reset their defensive line.

So we should give attacking teams less for a penalty than we used to just to slightly speed the game up? That makes no sense to me. It just helps the defensive team in most scenarios. The only one it doesn’t is when you’re defending your own line and giving away penalties to reset - but even then some teams want to take the two points.

Yes we should, the idea is to reduce the deliberate penalties that teams like the Roosters are experts at. It is also to improve the flow of the game, stopping and starting for penalties disrupts the flow of the game, will this work, I don't know but at least we are trying something to improve the ruck.

It will definitely speed the game up having less penalties but will also slow the game down having more wrestle... so it’ll probably even out to be honest ?

Funnily enough the worse wrestling has ever been in our sport has been when we had 2 refs, before the 2 ref system the wrestle wasn't anywhere near as bad as it is now.

Because the game changed and wrestling coaches got brought in. Don’t fool yourself there was definitely wrestling before the two ref system but over the years teams get better and better at it. Every team tries their best to exploit rules and this new one ref system will be no different. I’ll be interested to see how Melbourne take advantage of it, they’re the masters of bending the rules the bastards

They only bend the rules and get away with it because the ref allows them to. If the ref grows a pair and puts the Storm in their place from the start of every match that will be problem solved.
First time in a game Cammy fronts up to the ref trying to manipulate him the ref should say "shut your mouth, I'm in charge out here today, not you". The look on the gimp's face would be priceless for starters. And the ref has stamped his authority and officiates the Storm like every other team, not let them get away with what they have these past few years.
Get back control.

They’ll bend the rules no matter what. Bellamy has a talent in finding the ways to exploit rules without actually breaking them. They’ll be the team to watch if we want ideas on how to benefit from the new system.

Bending the rules pretty much is breaking them.
For example, Smith fires more forward passes out of dummy-half than anyone in the comp, yet he never gets pulled up for them. Some teams break the rules and get pinged, other teams get 'the rub of the green', aka bias.
If everybody gets policed in identical fashion, we would see some very different outcomes to matches.

And with one ref trying to watch the ruck, and the touchies now trying to watch onside, who will be watching for forward passes? Bet you Smith has thought about that already.

Well the ball is being passed 1 foot away from where the ruck is. Surely the ref can move his eyes that much?

Yeah but the ref is in the wrong position to really gauge the ball going forward. Should be a touchie thing.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Does this mean we’ll get touchies running onto the field again. I’ve missed that.

 

[innsaneink]

In regards to your last question asking whether the ruck speed has improved with two refs - compared the grand final from last year to the international games from last year, the play the ball speed is about a second half and a half slower with one ref compared to having two. Definitely more wrestle with the one ref

How many games are you measuring this by, and you measured this yourself? Not criticising, just curious the data.

NRL.com has play the ball stats on their website. Just about every international game is at slower than the NRL games. Here’s Roosters vs storm, two of the best wrestlers in the comp last year 

In comparison, this is Tonga vs Great Britain from last year 

Obviously it differs in every match but it’s always slower with the one ref system

I think this argument becomes irrelevant when you add the 6 again instead of penalty. The 2012 all stars game is the only match to have trialled 6 again. It was super fast.

I’m not sure it does. Giving away 6 again won’t deter teams from wrestling. If a penalty with a kick for touch doesn’t why would just 6 again

When you factor in the "breather" rest period that the defence no longer gets with the touch finder and time to set, it balances things up. We all know that it doesn't have the same effect when on your own line, but that is where use of the sin bin should sort things out.

Sometimes the attacking team wants a breather and a quick chat as well though, especially if you’ve just been battered 5 tackles in a row inside your own 10. I dare say most teams would prefer to have a kick for touch if the infringement is inside their own half too, then you can get in a try scoring position instead of continuing to work from your own end

This is not about giving the team what they want, it is about speeding the game up and preventing a team deliberately giving away penalties to reset their defensive line.

So we should give attacking teams less for a penalty than we used to just to slightly speed the game up? That makes no sense to me. It just helps the defensive team in most scenarios. The only one it doesn’t is when you’re defending your own line and giving away penalties to reset - but even then some teams want to take the two points.

Yes we should, the idea is to reduce the deliberate penalties that teams like the Roosters are experts at. It is also to improve the flow of the game, stopping and starting for penalties disrupts the flow of the game, will this work, I don't know but at least we are trying something to improve the ruck.

It will definitely speed the game up having less penalties but will also slow the game down having more wrestle... so it’ll probably even out to be honest ?

Funnily enough the worse wrestling has ever been in our sport has been when we had 2 refs, before the 2 ref system the wrestle wasn't anywhere near as bad as it is now.

Because the game changed and wrestling coaches got brought in. Don’t fool yourself there was definitely wrestling before the two ref system but over the years teams get better and better at it. Every team tries their best to exploit rules and this new one ref system will be no different. I’ll be interested to see how Melbourne take advantage of it, they’re the masters of bending the rules the bastards

They only bend the rules and get away with it because the ref allows them to. If the ref grows a pair and puts the Storm in their place from the start of every match that will be problem solved.
First time in a game Cammy fronts up to the ref trying to manipulate him the ref should say "shut your mouth, I'm in charge out here today, not you". The look on the gimp's face would be priceless for starters. And the ref has stamped his authority and officiates the Storm like every other team, not let them get away with what they have these past few years.
Get back control.

They’ll bend the rules no matter what. Bellamy has a talent in finding the ways to exploit rules without actually breaking them. They’ll be the team to watch if we want ideas on how to benefit from the new system.

Bending the rules pretty much is breaking them.
For example, Smith fires more forward passes out of dummy-half than anyone in the comp, yet he never gets pulled up for them. Some teams break the rules and get pinged, other teams get 'the rub of the green', aka bias.
If everybody gets policed in identical fashion, we would see some very different outcomes to matches.

And with one ref trying to watch the ruck, and the touchies now trying to watch onside, who will be watching for forward passes? Bet you Smith has thought about that already.

Blind side touches will watch the ruck & forward passes from dh.... Open side touches helping with the 10m

 

[WT2K]

LATEST: Mediation with the referees has failed. Legal proceedings Thursday. Refs won’t budge. They want two referee system. Strike action still a possibility but referees saying they want to avoid that. @NRLonNine @9NewsSyd
https://twitter.com/Danny_Weidler/status/1262574358553223168?s=19

 

[JC99]

If V’landys just consulted them before making major changes it would’ve never got to this point and it probably would’ve all been agreed upon.

Guess it all depends on whether they can prove he broke the enterprise agreement that’s in place or not

 

[WT2K]

LATEST: Mediation with the referees has failed. Legal proceedings Thursday. Refs won’t budge. They want two referee system. Strike action still a possibility but referees saying they want to avoid that. @NRLonNine @9NewsSyd
https://twitter.com/Danny_Weidler/status/1262574358553223168?s=19

We attended the FWC hoping this matter could be resolved today. Unfortunately, it has not been the case. We’re determined to protect the rights of our members & the integrity of the Game. This matter will now proceed to arbitration. We’re confident it will be finalised by May 28.
https://twitter.com/PRLMOinc/status/1262582409125494787?s=19