Our Own Thid Party Payments

[diedpretty]

After a few drinks I was thinking about TPAs and how Tigers are behind the eight ball compared to big clubs. Then I thought what would there be to stop members of a club setting up their own fund to pay TPAs to players within their club. For instance if the 8000 members of WT were to pay $100 a year in to a separate fund it would provide $800,000 a year that could be used to pay TPAs to those players that might otherwise move to richer clubs.

 

[dazza65]

If that was legal and ok'd by the NRL
I'd kick in a grand no problem.

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[cqtiger]

I would have thought that being a paid member of the club would render it illegal. TPA's are supposed be by people with no link to the club.

But of course that is based on following NRL's rules by the letter (or not getting caught)

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[innsaneink]

Third Party Agreements
Third party agreements are payments made by companies directly to players. There is no restriction on the amount a player can earn through third party agreements where he is being paid for his own intellectual property, without the need to employ club logos or names and where the company involved is neither a club sponsor nor are they acting on behalf of a club to secure the player's services. An example of this is a player promoting a brand or product, for example, Billy Slater and Australian Bananas.
Many players have third party agreements that are outside the salary cap. Individual players registered third party agreements totalling in excess of $10 million in 2013.

All third party agreements must be registered and approved beforehand. This is to ensure that they do not become a way for clubs or players to use sponsors or third parties to undermine the salary cap and also for the game to ensure the protection of club and game intellectual property. There are provisions for club sponsors to enter into agreements with elite players under the Marquee Player Agreement allowance.

 

[softlaw]

It's more than likely doable for (for instance) this forum to provide a TPA for a player. But the million dollar question is who is going to organise it and do all the work?

Set up a company, collect and keep the money, guarantee that the forum company can meet whatever dollar amounts it promises etc. etc

I'd be happy to kick in some $$ and it would be very very cool - but i'm pretty sure this has been discussed before and will end up in the all too hard basket :frowning:

edit - maybe it could be organised more easily through one of the crowd funding web platforms??

 

[diedpretty]

I would have thought that being a paid member of the club would render it illegal. TPA's are supposed be by people with no link to the club.

But of course that is based on following NRL's rules by the letter (or not getting caught)

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The laws say it is only the club or its directors/owners who cannot be involved in negotiations of TPAs. Nothing about members of a club or a consortium of people interested in keeping a particular player at a club. The hard part is of course the organisation of it and the willingness of people to pay over the period of the contract.

 

[DonnyBrasco]

It's more than likely doable for (for instance) this forum to provide a TPA for a player. But the million dollar question is who is going to organise it and do all the work?

Set up a company, collect and keep the money, guarantee that the forum company can meet whatever dollar amounts it promises etc. etc

I'd be happy to kick in some $$ and it would be very very cool - but i'm pretty sure this has been discussed before and will end up in the all too hard basket :frowning:

edit - maybe it could be organised more easily through one of the crowd funding web platforms??

That's a neat idea, and as a lot of people I know support the tigers but don't go to the games, they would love to help the team without paying for a membership which is only useful if you go to the games? Something like a pozible campaign would do well, even if there was a target of 10K and that kept 1 superstar at the club it would be great.

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[Gray]

It's more than likely doable for (for instance) this forum to provide a TPA for a player. But the million dollar question is who is going to organise it and do all the work?

Set up a company, collect and keep the money, guarantee that the forum company can meet whatever dollar amounts it promises etc. etc

I'd be happy to kick in some $$ and it would be very very cool - but i'm pretty sure this has been discussed before and will end up in the all too hard basket :frowning:

edit - maybe it could be organised more easily through one of the crowd funding web platforms??

That's a neat idea, and as a lot of people I know support the tigers but don't go to the games, they would love to help the team without paying for a membership which is only useful if you go to the games? Something like a pozible campaign would do well, even if there was a target of 10K and that kept 1 superstar at the club it would be great.

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The effort of something like this from the fans I think would be enough to keep a player at a club regardless of the money conjured up! If like to think so anyway. Would be awesome if this is possible and gained some momentum

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[diedpretty]

It's more than likely doable for (for instance) this forum to provide a TPA for a player. But the million dollar question is who is going to organise it and do all the work?

Set up a company, collect and keep the money, guarantee that the forum company can meet whatever dollar amounts it promises etc. etc

I'd be happy to kick in some $$ and it would be very very cool - but i'm pretty sure this has been discussed before and will end up in the all too hard basket :frowning:

edit - maybe it could be organised more easily through one of the crowd funding web platforms??

That's a neat idea, and as a lot of people I know support the tigers but don't go to the games, they would love to help the team without paying for a membership which is only useful if you go to the games? Something like a pozible campaign would do well, even if there was a target of 10K and that kept 1 superstar at the club it would be great.

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Unfortunately 10K wouldn't do it - reports are that Fafita"s TPA is around 300k a year.

 

[softlaw]

$300k is probably not an individual TPA. He would have a number of separate ones of different amounts.

 

[sideline_eye]

Well, I hate to pour cold water on this idea but many on here won't even lash out to become members, let alone stump up a hundred bucks.

 

[innsaneink]

I'll throw in a tinned ham

 

[glebe_tiger]

Well, I hate to pour cold water on this idea but many on here won't even lash out to become members, let alone stump up a hundred bucks.

true that.

 

[Zaibatsu]

So with a bit of a combined effort amongst the members, Ink's Lawn Mowing could sponsor Teddy and Fifita's return to the Tigz?

I like it… :laughing:

I'd think the most likely candidate company/person to provide us with some good coin for TPA's would be Harry Triguboff from Meriton ... He's a massive Tigers fan and loves the club, but since Meriton are already a sponsor they are ruled out...

Would it be worth it for the club to scout out another major sponsor (shouldn't be too hard if we have a good run of success) and suggest to Harry that he cuts sponsorship to us and instead provides us with some nice TPA's?

Not sure if Harry/Meriton would be down for that though.

 

[nads1234]

Dawn Fraser , Michael Clark , Barry Farrell

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[softlaw]

The Wiggles bloke is probably richer than all of them (bar Harry) put together.

 

[tiger85]

im good to chip in $100\. get some money together here for TIGERSFORUM TPA

 

[DWC]

I remember the Gold Coast trying to keep Rogers. A pizza shop owner wanted to get a number of local businesses together to pay him extra outside the cap. Got knocked on the head.
Only good for the rich clubs?

 

[sheer64]

I remember the Gold Coast trying to keep Rogers. A pizza shop owner wanted to get a number of local businesses together to pay him extra outside the cap. Got knocked on the head.
Only good for the rich clubs?

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others".

 

[sunshine_coast_tiger]

$300k is probably not an individual TPA. He would have a number of separate ones of different amounts.

So does that mean he goes into the salary cap at $550K per year instead of the $850K per year he is getting?

If it does the whole problems with NRL can bee seen right there. The NRL need to be tough on the salary cap and should at least put him in the dogs salary cap at the $700 or $750K his current club offered. This would solve most of the problems.

Would Andree Fifita not be worth $300k to companies to be associated with him if he played for the Tigers or Sharks? He would be but those clubs don't have access to the same levels of outside third parties. The NRL is coming to a crossroads. We either have a hard salary cap which is heavily monitored and controlled if we want a more even competition like the NFL or we become like the EPL were only 2-4 teams can win every year and the rest just make up the numbers (might have to bring back the mid-week cup as this may be the only thing some teams will even have a chance to win).