Our past is killing our future

[happy_tiger]

Happy I find it difficult to disagree with your opening post (except the number of coaches - interim coaches don’t count IMO).

A lot of the sentiment in the replies is “the past doesn’t affect the future, we can change etc”… I appreciate the positivity but I think this completely misses the point of what Happy is saying. The last 7 seasons have severely hurt our reputation as a club, particularly the 2014-2016 with Farah/Potter and then JT. We as a club do not have the respect of the league from a footballing perspective - our facilities are notoriously bad, we’re seen as a destination to get a start, not a premiership, and we’ll continue to be an easy target for the media until we can turn this around. Last year three of our best players left, and were replaced with mostly journeymen on long expensive contracts. We don’t seem to be in the conversation whenever top tier talent comes on the market, and this is despite being based in one of the best areas in Sydney. On the positive side, I’d say we have one of the best marketing departments in the league, and we also have a very strong brand.

So can the negatives be improved or turned around? Sure they can. But there is no doubt whatsoever that the various sagas of the last 7 years has had an impact on our forward progress - the best example being the quality of signings made last season despite having sizeable cap space.

We only had one interim coach , Webster

Not that 4 coaches possibly 5 in 7 seasons sounds wonderful either

 

[steve-o]

Happy I find it difficult to disagree with your opening post (except the number of coaches - interim coaches don’t count IMO).

A lot of the sentiment in the replies is “the past doesn’t affect the future, we can change etc”… I appreciate the positivity but I think this completely misses the point of what Happy is saying. The last 7 seasons have severely hurt our reputation as a club, particularly the 2014-2016 with Farah/Potter and then JT. We as a club do not have the respect of the league from a footballing perspective - our facilities are notoriously bad, we’re seen as a destination to get a start, not a premiership, and we’ll continue to be an easy target for the media until we can turn this around. Last year three of our best players left, and were replaced with mostly journeymen on long expensive contracts. We don’t seem to be in the conversation whenever top tier talent comes on the market, and this is despite being based in one of the best areas in Sydney. On the positive side, I’d say we have one of the best marketing departments in the league, and we also have a very strong brand.

So can the negatives be improved or turned around? Sure they can. But there is no doubt whatsoever that the various sagas of the last 7 years has had an impact on our forward progress - the best example being the quality of signings made last season despite having sizeable cap space.

We only had one interim coach , Webster

Not that 4 coaches possibly 5 in 7 seasons sounds wonderful either

Yep Webster is who I was referring to. Potentially 5 coaches in 8 seasons

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I think the home ground thing will be remedied very soon. I would not be surprised if we set up camp at WSS long term.

It is important to remember the clubs that gave rise to WT, but I am starting to realise that there may be a point where the past has to be left there and the club needs to make decisions to shore up it's future. I don't think LO and CSS are the answers for a myriad of reasons.

 

[andrew 474]

Have to agree with the above , 1 game per year at LOC and Campbelltown could be enough , but I do love the old grounds

 

[prattenparkchild]

I think the home ground thing will be remedied very soon. I would not be surprised if we set up camp at WSS long term.

It is important to remember the clubs that gave rise to WT, but I am starting to realise that there may be a point where the past has to be left there and the club needs to make decisions to shore up it's future. I don't think LO and CSS are the answers for a myriad of reasons.

I'm not against trialling WSS for the next couple of seasons whilst the other stadiums are rebuilt but I remain very doubtful it will feel anything except Parra's home ground especially with their leagues club next door. Who knows, it may work out, but after the redevelopment of the other stadiums it may make more sense as to feel and location to the league club to move back to Homebush. Like anything money talks,but we do need to make a decision on staying with 1 home ground. I don't think Leichhardt or Campbelltown are in the race for this.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I think the home ground thing will be remedied very soon. I would not be surprised if we set up camp at WSS long term.

It is important to remember the clubs that gave rise to WT, but I am starting to realise that there may be a point where the past has to be left there and the club needs to make decisions to shore up it's future. I don't think LO and CSS are the answers for a myriad of reasons.

I'm not against trialling WSS for the next couple of seasons whilst the other stadiums are rebuilt but I remain very doubtful it will feel anything except Parra's home ground especially with their leagues club next door. Who knows, it may work out, but after the redevelopment of the other stadiums it may make more sense as to feel and location to the league club to move back to Homebush. Like anything money talks,but we do need to make a decision on staying with 1 home ground. I don't think Leichhardt or Campbelltown are in the race for this.

Fairfield or a redeveloped CSS would be ideal. Who knows, with a Southwest Sydney Football bid CSS might be able to secure some funding to turn it into a 30-35K seater if WT and SWSFC pledge to be full time tenants. Play all games there, maybe have a LO Sunday arvo game against Souths or Easts. Not sure how that will work if we have the COE at Concord but I guess if we were playing 90% of our games in one spot it shouldn't really matter where we train.

Depends on what Ashfield wants overall.

 

[supercoach]

I expect when Ivan addresses the public on his reasons for jumping ship, they will be along the lines of 1) His desire to coach Nathan was too overwhelming. May even say it was unfair to the Tigers team and fans etc etc.,.2) The club is the right fit for him 3) To establish himself as a coach who only wants to shake off the tag of being a rebuild coach 4) The opportunity to coach the most promising young team with one of the largest junior nurseries. But who cares because we already know that by the end of next year the media are going to twist the immoral actions from the Panthers and Ivan. There'll be stories on his heroics and the bravado from putting his son first over everything, including his integrity. And people will be eating that crap up.
Its tough seeing people on here question and speculate why he'd want to return to the club he was sacked from. Please stop putting yourself through such levels of mental gymnastics as there is absolutely no excuse in the world that makes this right.
Our past is just that so shouldn't be affecting our recruitment. Think someone else said it best, its the club's current Brand that is most influential on these things.
You only have to look at how the Knights are going with their recruitment…after Wooden Spooner's for a period. Sadly only teams such as the Roosters, Broncos and Storms don't pay overs.

Edit: Would like to emphasise that I know our coaching history sucks and is a valid reason for players to be concerned, but believe our current board are trying to overturn this. We need to secure a particular type of coach, who will enforce this as well as their own vision and just hope players who are approached can see this.

When has Ivan said more than a few words on anything. He will be keeping a very low profile. I just hope the NRL world in general don’t buy into all the stuff about wanting to coach his son, and actually judge him as he really is….and Willo will delete my post if I describe the person he is!!

 

[Spud_Murphy]

I expect when Ivan addresses the public on his reasons for jumping ship, they will be along the lines of 1) His desire to coach Nathan was too overwhelming. May even say it was unfair to the Tigers team and fans etc etc.,.2) The club is the right fit for him 3) To establish himself as a coach who only wants to shake off the tag of being a rebuild coach 4) The opportunity to coach the most promising young team with one of the largest junior nurseries. But who cares because we already know that by the end of next year the media are going to twist the immoral actions from the Panthers and Ivan. There'll be stories on his heroics and the bravado from putting his son first over everything, including his integrity. And people will be eating that crap up.
Its tough seeing people on here question and speculate why he'd want to return to the club he was sacked from. Please stop putting yourself through such levels of mental gymnastics as there is absolutely no excuse in the world that makes this right.
Our past is just that so shouldn't be affecting our recruitment. Think someone else said it best, its the club's current Brand that is most influential on these things.
You only have to look at how the Knights are going with their recruitment…after Wooden Spooner's for a period. Sadly only teams such as the Roosters, Broncos and Storms don't pay overs.

Edit: Would like to emphasise that I know our coaching history sucks and is a valid reason for players to be concerned, but believe our current board are trying to overturn this. We need to secure a particular type of coach, who will enforce this as well as their own vision and just hope players who are approached can see this.

When has Ivan said more than a few words on anything. He will be keeping a very low profile. **I just hope the NRL world in general don’t buy into all the stuff about wanting to coach his son, and actually judge him as he really is.**…and Willo will delete my post if I describe the person he is!!

As much as you would like it to, I think you know that ain't gonna happen eh? Lauren is right, he will be painted as a loving father with strong family bonds, rather than the guy, who shafted his current club mid-contract to join another club, after promising so much when he first came onboard.

 

[fibrodreaming]

I can't help to think that the many things that have happened in the past 7 seasons is killing ANY chance of us EVER becoming a consistent Top 8 side

It is highly likely that as we enter season 2019 we will have our 6th coach in 8 seasons , even if Cleary stays it will be 5 and the 6th has clocked off

Still have at least 3 permanent home grounds , something that most fans DON"T want

Most of the junior talent we produce that reaches 50 NRL games leaves

Most players with an iota of talent we bring into the club rarely re-sign with the club

We let other clubs treat us like the league's wimps and kick sand in our face whenever we have something they want and they just literally take it

**We have seen some off field positives , the board , memberships , sponsorship $$$'s** but the biggest thing that will help us long term is results and us being thought off as a genuinely strong club

Even after this season's great start , many pundits didn't think we'd kick on and they were proven right

Personally if we don't get Bennett I see at least 3 more years of pain and suffering for fans

Ask your mates/friends/family what they think of the WT's , most like us as a club but think we are the permanent also rans

Thoughts??

Didn't Jack Gibson say "winning starts in the front office" ? I think the management of the WT is the best it has been - in saying that, I don't think I'm damning it with faint praise.

With our administration in order, and with a quality coach going forward, I can see success on the field following.

That said, I'm aware that WT supporters have become very good at looking forward to a brighter tomorrow (because our present has always been so painfully disappointing).

But the fundamental key to a successful club is good management, and I think that with the current administration, we are getting there.

 

[The_Patriot]

Every single issue is related to lack of quality coaching.

We have selected some dud coaches.

Hire the right coach and it all corrects itself pretty soon.

 

[Donald_Trump]

True the future can’t be determined by the past however perception is reality. If we have a track record of being a basket case, we will be perceived that way.

First way to change this is getting clarity to who our new coach is. Until then you wouldn’t blame players from other clubs avoiding coming to us. You could extend that to sponsors as well. They would still be hesitant.

Reputation is everything.

 

[Geo]

True the future can’t be determined by the past however perception is reality. If we have a track record of being a basket case, we will be perceived that way.

First way to change this is getting clarity to who our new coach is. Until then you wouldn’t blame players from other clubs avoiding coming to us. You could extend that to sponsors as well. They would still be hesitant.

Reputation is everything.

Yet we had our shorts sponser recently extend their support ..go figure…

 

[TIGERPOWER]

True the future can’t be determined by the past however perception is reality. If we have a track record of being a basket case, we will be perceived that way.

First way to change this is getting clarity to who our new coach is. Until then you wouldn’t blame players from other clubs avoiding coming to us. You could extend that to sponsors as well. They would still be hesitant.

Reputation is everything.

Yet we had our shorts sponser recently extend their support ..go figure…

Yet your calling for Pascoes head… go figure.....

 

[Geo]

True the future can’t be determined by the past however perception is reality. If we have a track record of being a basket case, we will be perceived that way.

First way to change this is getting clarity to who our new coach is. Until then you wouldn’t blame players from other clubs avoiding coming to us. You could extend that to sponsors as well. They would still be hesitant.

Reputation is everything.

Yet we had our shorts sponser recently extend their support ..go figure…

Yet your calling for Pascoes head… go figure.....

Oh someone doesn't get tounge in cheek..lol hehe lol…

 

[TIGERPOWER]

True the future can’t be determined by the past however perception is reality. If we have a track record of being a basket case, we will be perceived that way.

First way to change this is getting clarity to who our new coach is. Until then you wouldn’t blame players from other clubs avoiding coming to us. You could extend that to sponsors as well. They would still be hesitant.

Reputation is everything.

Yet we had our shorts sponser recently extend their support ..go figure…

Yet your calling for Pascoes head… go figure.....

Oh someone doesn't get tounge in cheek..lol hehe lol…

That’s a backflip DCE would be proud of..lol hehe lol…

 

[happy_tiger]

And let the present destroy our future

Thanks for letting us all down yet again WT's

Remember we spoke about how Pascoe would be remembered for these moments , he needs to be remembered badly

His job needs to be majorly under question , he brought Cleary here and now the calamitous mess lays wholly and solely at his feet …....

 

[Tiger_Steve]

And let the present destroy our future

Thanks for letting us all down yet again WT's

Remember we spoke about how Pascoe would be remembered for these moments , he needs to be remembered badly

His job needs to be majorly under question , he brought Cleary here and now the calamitous mess lays wholly and solely at his feet …....

Happy I’ve come to respect your posts but I don’t get this outburst? How is this Pascoe’s fault? He brought Cleary here in good faith - it’s cleary who is the disgrace.
Pascoe has secured, arguably, the best coach on the market. If Tyga is on the mark (usually is) Pascoe has also negotiated that Panthers pay part if Maguire’s salary for 2 years.
I think our front office has done this really well.

 

[TIGERPOWER]

And let the present destroy our future

Thanks for letting us all down yet again WT's

Remember we spoke about how Pascoe would be remembered for these moments , he needs to be remembered badly

His job needs to be majorly under question , he brought Cleary here and now the calamitous mess lays wholly and solely at his feet …....

Happy I’ve come to respect your posts but I don’t get this outburst? How is this Pascoe’s fault? He brought Cleary here in good faith - it’s cleary who is the disgrace.
Pascoe has secured, arguably, the best coach on the market. If Tyga is on the mark (usually is) Pascoe has also negotiated that Panthers pay part if Maguire’s salary for 2 years.
I think our front office has done this really well.

Agree. Kudos to Pascoe and team. We got a upgrade on our coach and some money to get rid of Ivan the terrible. Bennett never wanted to come here, he would have used us to get his asking price at the rabbits.

 

[happy_tiger]

And let the present destroy our future

Thanks for letting us all down yet again WT's

Remember we spoke about how Pascoe would be remembered for these moments , he needs to be remembered badly

His job needs to be majorly under question , he brought Cleary here and now the calamitous mess lays wholly and solely at his feet …....

Happy I’ve come to respect your posts but I don’t get this outburst? How is this Pascoe’s fault? He brought Cleary here in good faith - it’s cleary who is the disgrace.
Pascoe has secured, arguably, the best coach on the market. If Tyga is on the mark (usually is) Pascoe has also negotiated that Panthers pay part if Maguire’s salary for 2 years.
I think our front office has done this really well.

A few weeks ago we were talking about Pascoe earning his living on what happens in these very times and he has screwed the pooch imo

He got us the 5th best coach in my opinion , Toovey would have been better choice , we will rue the Madge decision

We will need a 9 year plan to sort this out

Utterly amazed …..more proof that our past is destroying our future

We got the modern day Brian Smith .................. 😢 😢 😢 😢 😢 😢 😢 😢 😢

If this all plays out the way that is being spoken this club literally broke my heart ......broke my spirit

 

[Tiger_Steve]

And let the present destroy our future

Thanks for letting us all down yet again WT's

Remember we spoke about how Pascoe would be remembered for these moments , he needs to be remembered badly

His job needs to be majorly under question , he brought Cleary here and now the calamitous mess lays wholly and solely at his feet …....

Happy I’ve come to respect your posts but I don’t get this outburst? How is this Pascoe’s fault? He brought Cleary here in good faith - it’s cleary who is the disgrace.
Pascoe has secured, arguably, the best coach on the market. If Tyga is on the mark (usually is) Pascoe has also negotiated that Panthers pay part if Maguire’s salary for 2 years.
I think our front office has done this really well.

A few weeks ago we were talking about Pascoe earning his living on what happens in these very times and he has screwed the pooch imo

He got us the 5th best coach in my opinion , Toovey would have been better choice , we will rue the Madge decision

We will need a 9 year plan to sort this out

Utterly amazed …..more proof that our past is destroying our future

We got the modern day Brian Smith .................. 😢 😢 😢 😢 😢 😢 😢 😢 😢

**If this all plays out the way that is being spoken this club literally broke my heart ......broke my spirit**

What do you mean here mate? What is being spoken?